Re: Python Portability

2010-08-09 Thread Lawrence D'Oliveiro
In message i3m9vm$2l...@news.eternal-september.org, W. eWatson wrote: Believe me I had no intent of expanding this thread beyond looking for a straight and simple insight to Python distribution (portability, whatever) and how to get my partner squared away. The general issue seems to drifted

Re: Python Portability

2010-08-09 Thread geremy condra
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 11:57 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro l...@geek-central.gen.new_zealand wrote: In message i3m9vm$2l...@news.eternal-september.org, W. eWatson wrote: Believe me I had no intent of expanding this thread beyond looking for a straight and simple insight to Python distribution

Re: Python Portability

2010-08-09 Thread rantingrick
On Aug 8, 8:03 am, W. eWatson wolftra...@invalid.com wrote: I'm done here. Well thats just great, now how will we ever know what the one char change was. Hmm. a = 'somestring' -a Traceback (most recent call last): File pyshell#2, line 1, in module -a TypeError: bad operand type for

Re: Python Portability

2010-08-08 Thread Thomas Jollans
On 08/08/2010 03:10 AM, W. eWatson wrote: I think I posted the errors my partner got above. Let me look. Yes, here's the copy. He gets Traceback (most recent call last): File C:\Documents and Settings\HP_Administrator.DavesDesktop\Desktop\NC-FireballReport20100729.py, line 40, in module

Re: Python Portability

2010-08-08 Thread David Cournapeau
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 10:10 AM, W. eWatson wolftra...@invalid.com wrote: On 8/7/2010 4:45 PM, Martin v. Loewis wrote: To add to the msg I just sent to M. Torrie. We are given the msi programs for Python, PIL,matplotlib, and numpy. The question of how to uninstall and re-install a different

Re: Python Portability

2010-08-08 Thread W. eWatson
On 8/8/2010 4:08 AM, David Cournapeau wrote: ... python-Numpy-1.2.0. No scipy anything. Well, this is interesting. I just noticed Martin v. Loewis on the Python 2.5 entry. That's you, right? You are conflating so many issues at the same time, it is very difficult to follow what you are doing.

Re: Python Portability

2010-08-08 Thread Martin v. Loewis
Add-Remove would be a very good answer, except for one thing. Understand that I'm in Win7 so CP takes on a different form. On Control Panel Add-Remove, I can find exactly two Python files: Python 2.5, and python-Numpy-1.2.0. No scipy anything. Well, it should be there. Perhaps it was

Re: Python Portability

2010-08-08 Thread alex23
W. eWatson wolftra...@invalid.com wrote: I now have the answer I need, and I do not care one more wit about a one character change. I'm done here. That's a fantastic response to give to people who were actually willing to sacrifice their time to help you with your problems. I'm always stunned

Re: Python Portability

2010-08-07 Thread W. eWatson
On 8/6/2010 2:23 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: In messagei3fpos$p7...@news.eternal-september.org, W. eWatson wrote: I made a one character change to it and sent him the new py file. He can't execute it. What exactly was the problem? I put a minus sign in front of a variable. I had him use

Re: Python Portability--Not very portable?

2010-08-07 Thread Martin v. Loewis
As an example, my inexperienced Python partner 30 miles away has gotten out of step somehow. I think by installing a different version of numpy than I use. I gave him a program we both use months ago, and he had no trouble. (We both use IDLE on 2.5). I made a one character change to it and

Re: Python Portability

2010-08-07 Thread Michael Torrie
On 08/07/2010 01:17 PM, W. eWatson wrote: Presumably I have him somehow delete the numpy site-package, the numpy 1.2.0 package? Just drill his way dow from the .../lib/site_packages? Then install 1.2.0. He's missed the boat on that before by not following instructions. Wait. I'm confused.

Re: Python Portability

2010-08-07 Thread Martin v. Loewis
Am 07.08.2010 23:01, schrieb Michael Torrie: On 08/07/2010 01:17 PM, W. eWatson wrote: Presumably I have him somehow delete the numpy site-package, the numpy 1.2.0 package? Just drill his way dow from the .../lib/site_packages? Then install 1.2.0. He's missed the boat on that before by not

Re: Python Portability

2010-08-07 Thread W. eWatson
On 8/7/2010 2:01 PM, Michael Torrie wrote: On 08/07/2010 01:17 PM, W. eWatson wrote: Presumably I have him somehow delete the numpy site-package, the numpy 1.2.0 package? Just drill his way dow from the .../lib/site_packages? Then install 1.2.0. He's missed the boat on that before by not

Re: Python Portability

2010-08-07 Thread W. eWatson
On 8/7/2010 2:26 PM, Martin v. Loewis wrote: Am 07.08.2010 23:01, schrieb Michael Torrie: On 08/07/2010 01:17 PM, W. eWatson wrote: Presumably I have him somehow delete the numpy site-package, the numpy 1.2.0 package? Just drill his way dow from the .../lib/site_packages? Then install 1.2.0.

Re: Python Portability--Not very portable?

2010-08-07 Thread Ben Finney
W. eWatson wolftra...@invalid.com writes: Yes, code reversal programs have been around for many, many decades. Try one on MS Word or Adobe Acrobat. :-) Interesting examples. What “important stuff” from those programs has not been “ripped off”, to use your terms? Is there anything remaining in

Re: Python Portability

2010-08-07 Thread Martin v. Loewis
To add to the msg I just sent to M. Torrie. We are given the msi programs for Python, PIL,matplotlib, and numpy. The question of how to uninstall and re-install a different version remains. I'd claim that this is not the real question. The real question is, instead: What specific error did

Re: Python Portability

2010-08-07 Thread W. eWatson
On 8/7/2010 4:45 PM, Martin v. Loewis wrote: To add to the msg I just sent to M. Torrie. We are given the msi programs for Python, PIL,matplotlib, and numpy. The question of how to uninstall and re-install a different version remains. I'd claim that this is not the real question. The real

Re: Python Portability

2010-08-06 Thread Lawrence D'Oliveiro
In message i3fpos$p7...@news.eternal-september.org, W. eWatson wrote: I made a one character change to it and sent him the new py file. He can't execute it. What exactly was the problem? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python Portability--Not very portable?

2010-08-06 Thread Tiago Katcipis
On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 12:28 AM, W. eWatson wolftra...@invalid.com wrote: On 8/5/2010 7:45 PM, geremy condra wrote: On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 6:50 PM, W. eWatsonwolftra...@invalid.com wrote: In my on-again-off-again experience with Python for 18 months, portability seems an issue. As an

Re: Python Portability--Not very portable?

2010-08-06 Thread W. eWatson
I would think there are some small time and big time Python players who sell executable versions of their programs for profit? Yes. What's your point? That someone must know how to distribute them without having the source code ripped off. disutils. Sounds familiar. I'm pretty sure I was

Re: Python Portability--Not very portable?

2010-08-06 Thread Peter Otten
W. eWatson wrote: I would think there are some small time and big time Python players who sell executable versions of their programs for profit? Yes. What's your point? That someone must know how to distribute them without having the source code ripped off. Yes, but he won't tell for fear

Re: Python Portability--Not very portable?

2010-08-06 Thread W. eWatson
I can't respond to otten directly, since he uses gmane. Here's my response. W. eWatson wrote: I would think there are some small time and big time Python players who sell executable versions of their programs for profit? Yes. What's your point? That someone must know how to

Re: Python Portability--Not very portable?

2010-08-06 Thread Peter Otten
W. eWatson wrote: I can't respond to otten directly, since he uses gmane. Here's my response. W. eWatson wrote: I would think there are some small time and big time Python players who sell executable versions of their programs for profit? Yes. What's your point? That

Re: Python Portability--Not very portable?

2010-08-06 Thread geremy condra
On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 8:00 AM, W. eWatson wolftra...@invalid.com wrote: I would think there are some small time and big time Python players who sell executable versions of their programs for profit? Yes. What's your point? That someone must know how to distribute them without having the

Re: Python Portability--Not very portable?

2010-08-06 Thread W. eWatson
On 8/6/2010 9:03 AM, Peter Otten wrote: ... Seriously, I try to make a joke once in a while, usually with devastating results. The idea you were meant to take away was that once you start thinking about a protection scheme there is always a next step until you reach the point where your

Re: Python Portability--Not very portable?

2010-08-06 Thread W. eWatson
On 8/6/2010 10:31 AM, geremy condra wrote: On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 8:00 AM, W. eWatsonwolftra...@invalid.com wrote: I would think there are some small time and big time Python players who sell executable versions of their programs for profit? Yes. What's your point? That someone must know

Re: Python Portability--Not very portable?

2010-08-06 Thread Peter Otten
W. eWatson wrote: So you think Python is part of open software in terms of distributing a product? So I should stick to C, where one can distribute programs w/o revealing code details, and having a customer compile the code? It's No, I'm trying to make you reconsider what you're going to

Re: Python Portability--Not very portable?

2010-08-06 Thread CM
On Aug 5, 9:50 pm, W. eWatson wolftra...@invalid.com wrote: In my on-again-off-again experience with Python for 18 months, portability seems an issue. As an example, my inexperienced Python partner 30 miles away has gotten out of step somehow. I think by installing a different version of

Re: Python Portability--Not very portable?

2010-08-06 Thread CM
As an example, my inexperienced Python partner 30 miles away has gotten out of step somehow. I think by installing a different version of numpy than I use. I gave him a program we both use months ago, and he had no trouble. (We both use IDLE on 2.5). I made a one character change to it and

Re: Python Portability--Not very portable?

2010-08-06 Thread geremy condra
On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 10:58 AM, W. eWatson wolftra...@invalid.com wrote: Is there a complete illustration of using disutils? Our only dependencies are on Python Org material. We use no commercial or licensed code. http://tinyurl.com/3yhwjfj Geremy Condra --

Re: Python Portability--Not very portable?

2010-08-06 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Fri, 06 Aug 2010 08:00:55 -0700, W. eWatson wrote: I would think there are some small time and big time Python players who sell executable versions of their programs for profit? Yes. What's your point? That someone must know how to distribute them without having the source code ripped

Re: Python Portability--Not very portable?

2010-08-06 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Fri, 06 Aug 2010 10:35:38 -0700, W. eWatson wrote: So you think Python is part of open software in terms of distributing a product? Python itself *is* open source software. It doesn't *require* you to write open source software. So I should stick to C, where one can distribute programs

Re: Python Portability--Not very portable?

2010-08-06 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 18:50:14 -0700, W. eWatson wrote: As an example, my inexperienced Python partner 30 miles away has gotten out of step somehow. I think by installing a different version of numpy than I use. I gave him a program we both use months ago, and he had no trouble. (We both use

Re: Python Portability--Not very portable?

2010-08-06 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Fri, 06 Aug 2010 10:58:24 -0700, W. eWatson wrote: Is there a complete illustration of using disutils? Our only dependencies are on Python Org material. We use no commercial or licensed code. Oh my, the sheer ignorance that sentence reveals. Python and the standard library *is* licensed.

Python Portability--Not very portable?

2010-08-05 Thread W. eWatson
In my on-again-off-again experience with Python for 18 months, portability seems an issue. As an example, my inexperienced Python partner 30 miles away has gotten out of step somehow. I think by installing a different version of numpy than I use. I gave him a program we both use months ago,

Re: Python Portability--Not very portable?

2010-08-05 Thread geremy condra
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 6:50 PM, W. eWatson wolftra...@invalid.com wrote: In my on-again-off-again experience with Python for 18 months, portability seems an issue. As an example, my inexperienced Python partner 30 miles away has gotten out of step somehow. I think by installing a different

Re: Python Portability--Not very portable?

2010-08-05 Thread W. eWatson
On 8/5/2010 7:45 PM, geremy condra wrote: On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 6:50 PM, W. eWatsonwolftra...@invalid.com wrote: In my on-again-off-again experience with Python for 18 months, portability seems an issue. As an example, my inexperienced Python partner 30 miles away has gotten out of step

Re: Python Portability--Not very portable?

2010-08-05 Thread geremy condra
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:28 PM, W. eWatson wolftra...@invalid.com wrote: On 8/5/2010 7:45 PM, geremy condra wrote: On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 6:50 PM, W. eWatsonwolftra...@invalid.com  wrote: In my on-again-off-again experience with Python for 18 months, portability seems an issue. As an