Re: What is your favorite Python web framework?
I was using CherryPy quite a bit until recently, but I've since switched to Spyce: http://spyce.sf.net (and blogged it at http://apipes.blogspot.com/2005/07/first-taste-of-spyce.html). Spyce has been around since 2002 (so it's fairly stable and mature) but it's also under active development--a new version just came out a few weeks ago (so it's not going away). The main reason I switched was the Spyce templating engine--more powerful than CherryTemplate, and tons more readable than Cheetah, in my opinion. -- Tim Lesher [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://apipes.blogspot.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: What is your favorite Python web framework?
Hi, I have also been looking around to start web development. Almost everybody says - Zope h steep learning curve, so looking at alternatives. But to people have got past that curve. Is Zope worth it. My applications would be data entry heavy. Think inventory and accounting apps. Would going past the learning curve allow me to write applications like that. -- Dark Cowherd -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: What is your favorite Python web framework?
Dark Cowherd wrote: My applications would be data entry heavy. Think inventory and accounting apps. Would going past the [Zope] learning curve allow me to write applications like that. You might want to look at Zope 3, there are several niceties for automatically (or semi-automatically if you prefer) generating input forms, validating them, applying the results to an object, etc. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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You may want to check out Quixote http://www.mems-exchange.org/software/quixote/ A. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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hello, I follow somes projects that have a pythonic way to make web site. there's thats projects : http://www.cherrypy.org/ and http://subway.python-hosting.com/ subway aim to be like ruby on rails frameworks , simple and fast developpment. It uses cherrypy and other project like : * http://www.cheetahtemplate.org/ * http://www.formencode.org/ * http://www.sqlobject.org/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Admin enlightened us with: Error 404 while looking up your page AND when looking for a suitable 404 page. Sorry! No such file /var/www/www.unrealtower.org/compiled/error404.py You must have caught me editing some stuff, try again ;-) I really need to create another virtual host for when I want to experiment with my scripts and stuff :D Sybren -- The problem with the world is stupidity. Not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself? Frank Zappa -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: What is your favorite Python web framework?
Hello, I never used a web framework using Python modules, but I think cheetah, Karrigel and CherryPy are not good since they allow user to play with the HTML code. IMO, it's not pythonic but phpythonic. Isn't there a python framework inspirated by the Smalltalk framework Seaside? I think it's the way to build a web site like an application and not like an HTML page. CyrilOn 18 Jul 2005 00:52:40 -0700, laurent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hello,I follow somes projects that have a pythonic way to make web site.there's thats projects : http://www.cherrypy.org/and http://subway.python-hosting.com/subway aim to be like ruby on rails frameworks , simple and fastdeveloppment. It uses cherrypy and other project like : * http://www.cheetahtemplate.org/ * http://www.formencode.org/ * http://www.sqlobject.org/-- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: What is your favorite Python web framework?
Admin: I have kept the following: - PyWork - http://pywork.sourceforge.net (Not sure if it's mature) - Django - http://www.djangoproject.com (Looks interesting) - CherryPy - http://www.cherrypy.org (Unsure) I have also found a more comprehensive list here: http://wiki.python.org/moin/WebProgramming But I'd like to know your opinion on what you think is best. . . . I favor speed of development, intensive OO development, performance under heavy load, short learning curve, good documentation and community. I settled on CherryPy: Performance under load -- can't say one way or the other. I do know it's lightweight -- 40kb download, I recall. Good documentation -- yeah, if you are using the mainstream features. It's pretty extensible, too, so there are some secondary functions and features that are not as well documented. I know that the documentation is a major concern of the oommunity, and that they are pretty quick to respond when the docs are unclear. I give CherryPy very high marks for: speed of development, intensive OO development, short learning curve (if you already know Python), and community. And, as I said, for extensibility. I found I had working apps running on my machine with CherryPy in less time than I needed to read the installation docs on some other frameworks. It's just like writing Python, but with one extra object (cpg (2.0) or cherrypy (2.1) and one extra setting (exposed = True). That's it. I'd say give it a try -- you can have it running apps and go through the tutorials in a morning, so why not get first-hand with it? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Dnia 18 Jul 2005 00:52:40 -0700, laurent napisał(a): I follow somes projects that have a pythonic way to make web site. there's thats projects : http://www.cherrypy.org/ and http://subway.python-hosting.com/ subway aim to be like ruby on rails frameworks , simple and fast developpment. It uses cherrypy and other project like : * http://www.cheetahtemplate.org/ * http://www.formencode.org/ * http://www.sqlobject.org/ I think Django is more mature than Subway or CherryPy and can quickly become the black horse in area of pythonic frameworks. -- JZ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 18 Jul 2005, at 10:29, Cyril Bazin wrote: Hello, I never used a web framework using Python modules, but I think cheetah, Karrigel and CherryPy are not good since they allow user to play with the HTML code. IMO, it's not pythonic but phpythonic. Well, pretty much anything would allow that, it is more a matter of how much they encourage it ;) I find the cherrypy + HTML Template combination pretty resistant to excessive HTML in the Python, or Python in the HTML. One day when I get some time I'll have a look at Django, though I must say the templating language looked less nice than the rest of it on first glance, it says you don't have to use it though... Michael -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Dnia 18 Jul 2005 04:24:12 -0700, paron napisał(a): I favor speed of development, intensive OO development, performance under heavy load, short learning curve, good documentation and community. I settled on CherryPy: Performance under load -- can't say one way or the other. I do know it's lightweight -- 40kb download, I recall. I do not know how new CherryPy 2.1 (which now can use wsgi) is fast and stable but earler versions were quite unstable under heavy loads. Its paradigm creating web site like standalone appl (inherited from Cherry1) is not good suited to more complicated internet applications. Much more stable and much faster is e.g. Mygty (http://myghty.org) It is about 2x faster then CherryPy. Also faster than CherryPy is Webware and SkunkWeb. I did not check how fast is Django... It is fresh framework for open source community. -- JZ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 08:45:22 -0300, JZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Much more stable and much faster is e.g. Mygty (http://myghty.org) It is about 2x faster then CherryPy. Also faster than CherryPy is Webware and SkunkWeb. I did not check how fast is Django... It is fresh framework for open source community. Mmmh... I really don't know which one is better :( -- Thanks, Admin. Want to buy me a book? http://tinyurl.com/78xzb :) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Dnia Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:26:10 -0300, Admin napisał(a): On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 08:45:22 -0300, JZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Much more stable and much faster is e.g. Mygty (http://myghty.org) It is about 2x faster then CherryPy. Also faster than CherryPy is Webware and SkunkWeb. I did not check how fast is Django... It is fresh framework for open source community. Mmmh... I really don't know which one is better :( Django has similar aproach to Rails or Subway. Myghty is similar to Perl::Mason. I think those two are the most matured and powerfull. (I do not mean Zope and Plone which is specific to its own category) -- JZ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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JZ wrote: I think Django is more mature than Subway or CherryPy and can quickly become the black horse in area of pythonic frameworks. I'm not familiar with this expression. What do you mean by black horse? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 10:06:21 -0300, Peter Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not familiar with this expression. What do you mean by black horse? That will help me too :) -- Thanks, Admin. Want to buy me a book? http://tinyurl.com/78xzb :) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Mon, Jul 18, 2005 at 09:06:21AM -0400, Peter Hansen wrote: JZ wrote: I think Django is more mature than Subway or CherryPy and can quickly become the black horse in area of pythonic frameworks. I'm not familiar with this expression. What do you mean by black horse? Maybe the Ferrari of pythonic frameworks (black horse on yellow background being the symbol of Ferrari). That's what I thought of first when I tried to parse the sentence ;-) -- Gerhard -- Gerhard Häring - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Python, web database development signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Dnia Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:06:21 -0400, Peter Hansen napisał(a): I think Django is more mature than Subway or CherryPy and can quickly become the black horse in area of pythonic frameworks. I'm not familiar with this expression. What do you mean by black horse? I meant dark horse. Sorry for confusion. :) -- JZ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Gerhard Haering wrote: On Mon, Jul 18, 2005 at 09:06:21AM -0400, Peter Hansen wrote: I'm not familiar with this expression. What do you mean by black horse? Maybe the Ferrari of pythonic frameworks (black horse on yellow background being the symbol of Ferrari). I know there are black sheep in some families, and dark horse candidates. Also yellow-bellied sapsuckers. There's a black horse fish in the Mississippi valley (also, quite coincidentally, of the sucker family). Not entirely sure that was the intended connotation. :-) -Peter -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Peter Hansen wrote: Gerhard Haering wrote: On Mon, Jul 18, 2005 at 09:06:21AM -0400, Peter Hansen wrote: I'm not familiar with this expression. What do you mean by black horse? Maybe the Ferrari of pythonic frameworks (black horse on yellow background being the symbol of Ferrari). I know there are black sheep in some families, and dark horse candidates. Also yellow-bellied sapsuckers. There's a black horse fish in the Mississippi valley (also, quite coincidentally, of the sucker family). Not entirely sure that was the intended connotation. :-) -Peter I'm used to make those mistakes too... This mailing list taught me more English than Python for sure. I read the expression Dark horse contender many times, and i guess it has some reminiscence from medieval times and the cavalry stories. It meaning is something like the unknown that could be the new champ, someone intriguing and mysterious who doesn't unveil its skills untill showtime. Am I right? Cheers, Luis -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Luis M. Gonzalez wrote: I read the expression Dark horse contender many times, and i guess it has some reminiscence from medieval times and the cavalry stories. It meaning is something like the unknown that could be the new champ, someone intriguing and mysterious who doesn't unveil its skills untill showtime. Am I right? My understanding is that it is a horse-racing phrase. Some unprincipled racers would dye a horse to disguise him and get better odds. Obviously this only works to make a horse darker. A dark horse is an unknown quantity -- the phrase is usually only applied to horses that show well without the normal track record preceding that success. --Scott David Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Luis M. Gonzalez wrote: Peter Hansen wrote: Gerhard Haering wrote: On Mon, Jul 18, 2005 at 09:06:21AM -0400, Peter Hansen wrote: I'm not familiar with this expression. What do you mean by black horse? Maybe the Ferrari of pythonic frameworks (black horse on yellow background being the symbol of Ferrari). I know there are black sheep in some families, and dark horse candidates. Also yellow-bellied sapsuckers. There's a black horse fish in the Mississippi valley (also, quite coincidentally, of the sucker family). Not entirely sure that was the intended connotation. :-) -Peter I'm used to make those mistakes too... This mailing list taught me more English than Python for sure. I read the expression Dark horse contender many times, and i guess it has some reminiscence from medieval times and the cavalry stories. It meaning is something like the unknown that could be the new champ, someone intriguing and mysterious who doesn't unveil its skills untill showtime. Am I right? Cheers, Luis You're right on!. Colin W. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:21:37 -0300, Jeff Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't discard Zope 3 becaue of what you've heard about Zope 2. Zope 3 is a very different animal. Are Zope 3's learning curve + speed of development a lot faster than previous versions? -- Thanks, Admin. Want to buy me a book? http://tinyurl.com/78xzb :) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Zope 3, far and away. There's great documentation, quite a few load handling options (different types of caching and ZEO to distribute ZODB caches to multiple machines). Zope 3 aggressively favors small cooperating objects (Zope 2 was inheritance heavy, making customization, extension, etc, a big chore). There are two books in print already and it's quite mature already. Don't discard Zope 3 becaue of what you've heard about Zope 2. Zope 3 is a very different animal. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Admin wrote: I am doing some research for a Python framework to build web applications. I have discarted Zope because from what I've read, the learning curve is too steep, and it takes more time to build applications in general with Zope. I've heard many good things about Zope 3, although nightmares of Zope 2 still haunt me :) I have kept the following: - PyWork - http://pywork.sourceforge.net (Not sure if it's mature) - Django - http://www.djangoproject.com (Looks interesting) Some thoughts on Django that I agree with: http://griddlenoise.blogspot.com/2005/07/python-off-rails.html But I'd like to know your opinion on what you think is best. The Python framework I'll use will be to build an e-commerce application looking like Amazon.com Amazon.com is built on HTML::Mason, maybe a Python version of it is in order? Mason has been ported to Python and is called Myghty. It's had several significant additions as well allowing for a clear MVC development style with more advanced URL resolving abilities. This framework runs our company's site (www.parachute.com), and has been operating under heavy load for quite a few months now without an issue. I favor speed of development, intensive OO development, performance under heavy load, short learning curve, good documentation and community. No Python framework has a huge community except for Zope. All the Python frameworks that are under active development typically have very responsive and helpful support from my experience. For ease of development and maximum re-use of code, I'd suggest Myghty coupled with a database ORM like SQLObject (my favorite) and some other libraries to help you quickly deal with common tasks like form validation (formencode). CherryPy is also a very capable framework, so I'd keep it on your list as well, and maybe check out Subway which utilizes CherryPy, SQLObject, and Cheetah. Cheers, Ben -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 2005-07-17, Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I favor speed of development, intensive OO development, performance under heavy load, short learning curve, good documentation and community. I like the design of nevow (nevow.com), but I don't have any practical experiences with other frameworks. The documentation is not very good, but folks on IRC have been helpful. Dave Cook -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
What is your favorite Python web framework?
I am doing some research for a Python framework to build web applications. I have discarted Zope because from what I've read, the learning curve is too steep, and it takes more time to build applications in general with Zope. I have kept the following: - PyWork - http://pywork.sourceforge.net (Not sure if it's mature) - Django - http://www.djangoproject.com (Looks interesting) - CherryPy - http://www.cherrypy.org (Unsure) I have also found a more comprehensive list here: http://wiki.python.org/moin/WebProgramming But I'd like to know your opinion on what you think is best. The Python framework I'll use will be to build an e-commerce application looking like Amazon.com I favor speed of development, intensive OO development, performance under heavy load, short learning curve, good documentation and community. -- Thanks, Admin. Want to buy me a book? http://tinyurl.com/78xzb :) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Admin enlightened us with: But I'd like to know your opinion on what you think is best. The Python framework I'll use will be to build an e-commerce application looking like Amazon.com I'm greatly in favour of Cheetah. Also see http://www.unrealtower.org/mycheetah. I need to put up way more documentation examples, but the basics are there. Let me know what you think! Sybren -- The problem with the world is stupidity. Not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself? Frank Zappa -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 19:15:49 -0300, Sybren Stuvel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.unrealtower.org/mycheetah Error 404 while looking up your page AND when looking for a suitable 404 page. Sorry! No such file /var/www/www.unrealtower.org/compiled/error404.py I can't express myself on Cheetah, sorry!! -- Thanks, Admin. Want to buy me a book? http://tinyurl.com/78xzb :) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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I really like Karrigell ( http://karrigell.sourceforge.net ). It is, IMHO, the most pythonic framework because all you need to know is the python language. You don't need to learn any template or special language, you only use plain and regular python. It also gives you a lot of freedom when choosing a programming style: you can code python inside html (just like in PHP or ASP) or you can code html within python. It also lets you map databases to objects and you can use the included database Gadfly or any other that has a python api. The downside: it currectly works with its built-in server, and although you can use it alongside Apache or Xitami, there's still no way to do it with mod_python, and as far as I know, there's no hosting providers with Karrigell instaled. It is being used mainly by people who run their websites from their own computers. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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http://cheetahtemplate.org/ Admin wrote: On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 19:15:49 -0300, Sybren Stuvel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.unrealtower.org/mycheetah Error 404 while looking up your page AND when looking for a suitable 404 page. Sorry! No such file /var/www/www.unrealtower.org/compiled/error404.py I can't express myself on Cheetah, sorry!! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
