On 11/1/06, Jacob Rus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bob Ippolito wrote:
> > Well, as a point of reference.. I bought TextMate because it's nice to
> > use for demos and such.. but I still use Vim for writing Python code
> > and Emacs for writing Erlang code.
> >
> > I never could get hooked on TextM
Bob Ippolito wrote:
> Well, as a point of reference.. I bought TextMate because it's nice to
> use for demos and such.. but I still use Vim for writing Python code
> and Emacs for writing Erlang code.
>
> I never could get hooked on TextMate, despite trying. It just isn't as
> convenient to use as
(In reference to the discussion of TextMate).
I'm also not hooked on TextMate. Yet. My main objection is that undo is
one-character-at-a-time, which I find utterly maddening for extensive
undo. I also find it a bit cluttered and clumsy in some ways, but would
be willing to overlook that to get
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FWIW, I think that IDLE under MacPython 2.5 is a perfectly usable little
editor. Ronald did a great job getting it tweaked to behave better as a
Mac application. I prefer IDLE to other environments for editing Python,
including Aquamacs and Komodo.
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On Wednesday, November 01, 2006, at 09:20AM, "Bob Ippolito" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>>
>> I think at the very least, every Mac user who deals with any significant
>> amount of structured text or code owes it to themselves to download the
>> 30-day trial. I estimate within 2 weeks, you'll be
On 10/31/06, Jacob Rus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Christopher Barker wrote:
> > Jacob Rus wrote:
> >> Admittedly, the python bundle is not as polished
> >> as those for some other languages (html and ruby for instance), but it
> >> is still head and shoulders above all the other editors listed ab
Christopher Barker wrote:
> Jacob Rus wrote:
>> Admittedly, the python bundle is not as polished
>> as those for some other languages (html and ruby for instance), but it
>> is still head and shoulders above all the other editors listed above, in
>> my opinion. some more people from this list ough
Jacob Rus wrote:
> I'm surprised that TextMate didn't make this list.
That was a very quick, off the cuff list from my brain. It was not
intended to be comprehensive. I do hope TextMate is listed on the wiki
page at python.org -- if not, someone should add it.
> Admittedly, the python bundle i
>
yes I remember the pain of the rewire from ed to vi !
isn't it amazing that the fingers remember!
There was a time last century when I didn't use a unix machine for 10
years, then logged onto an SGi, fired up vi and in 30 seconds flat
all the commands
were at my fingertips. Like playi
On Oct 29, 2006, at 6:01 AM, David Worrall wrote:
There was a time a while ago when IDLE was a pain/unstable etc etc on
intel OSX
and I guess I just gave up. I used to use it all the time.
Perhaps it works ok these days.
Stopping to sharpen one's axe is ok as long as one doesn't get bogged
down
There was a time a while ago when IDLE was a pain/unstable etc etc on
intel OSX
and I guess I just gave up. I used to use it all the time.
Perhaps it works ok these days.
Stopping to sharpen one's axe is ok as long as one doesn't get bogged
down in the process.
Now, where was that nifty little
On Oct 28, 2006, at 10:23 AM, Jacob Rus wrote:
> Christopher Barker wrote:
>> While we're at it, if all you want is a Python-aware editor -- then
>> there area a lot of other (better?) options. Scan the archives of
>> this
>> list for suggestions. A few:
>>
>> BBEdit (TextWrangler?)
>> Eclipse
Christopher Barker wrote:
> While we're at it, if all you want is a Python-aware editor -- then
> there area a lot of other (better?) options. Scan the archives of this
> list for suggestions. A few:
>
> BBEdit (TextWrangler?)
> Eclipse
> SPE
> Jedit
> ScrIDE
>
> Assorted *nix editors: emaca, V
At 7:40 AM +0200 10/27/06, Ronald Oussoren wrote:
>Why does everyone seem to want to push people away from IDLE? IDLE
>isn't award-winning material, but it does work properly as a simple
>python environment.
>
>In a way it is better than most programmers text editors because
>although it is miss
Why does everyone seem to want to push people away from IDLE? IDLE
isn't award-winning material, but it does work properly as a simple
python environment.
In a way it is better than most programmers text editors because
although it is missing some of the advanced editor features these
off
On 26-Oct-06, at 7:26 PM, David Worrall wrote:
> no need for a file? then enjoy the delights of the interpreter. just
> $ /usr/bin/python (at the prompt)
Better, use IPython (even from Idle, I think it can be done, but I
don't use Idle, so YMMV). IPython will let you work in the
interpreter
no need for a file? then enjoy the delights of the interpreter. just
$ /usr/bin/python (at the prompt)
will get you the interpreter at which you can play around.
sometimes I do that whilst I'm trying to work out what I want
(by looking at the results of various processes)
and then drag/copy and p
On Thursday, October 26, 2006, at 03:09PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Ronald Oussoren wrote:
>>
>> Do you have a custom version of Tcl/Tk in /Library/Frameworks? What does
>> the following command print:
>> $ otool -Lv
>> /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/lib-dynlo
Ronald Oussoren wrote:
>
> Do you have a custom version of Tcl/Tk in /Library/Frameworks? What does
> the following command print:
> $ otool -Lv
> /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/lib-dynload/_tkinter.so
>
> It seems that I have a custom version of Tk installed on my
Thanks Chris and David for the suggestions. I'm already aware of
other editors. But, as I mentioned, I'm currently learning Python and
an environment that actually lets me execute python code without
having to first create and save a file is superior for that purpose,
in my opinion.
I already
For what it' worth, perhaps to save you some time, I recently spent a
day evaluating
these tools. Horses for courses, but for me:
TextWrangler is a freebie BBEditLite - a very nice word-processor
which is keyword aware;
SPE is a full-blown development environment which includes wxglade
interf
Ronald Oussoren wrote:
>Could you open Console.app, clear the log and then try to start IDLE
>again? Hopefully IDLE runs into a problem that gets written to the
>console log.
Here is what I see when I double-click on IDLE:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/Applications/MacPython
2.
While we're at it, if all you want is a Python-aware editor -- then
there area a lot of other (better?) options. Scan the archives of this
list for suggestions. A few:
BBEdit (TextWrangler?)
Eclipse
SPE
Jedit
ScrIDE
Assorted *nix editors: emaca, VIm, etc, etc.
or look here:
http://wiki.pytho
On Wednesday, October 25, 2006, at 02:00PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Ronald Oussoren wrote:
>> IDLE works for me. Could you tell me more about the version of OSX you're
>> using (and if 10.4, if you're on intel or ppc).
>>
>>
>> For the record, if you are running 10.3.9: IDLE uses Tk for its
Ronald Oussoren wrote:
> IDLE works for me. Could you tell me more about the version of OSX you're
> using (and if 10.4, if you're on intel or ppc).
>
>
> For the record, if you are running 10.3.9: IDLE uses Tk for its GUI,
> you'll have to download and install that seperately:
> http://tcltka
On Wednesday, October 25, 2006, at 01:07PM, Rodney Somerstein <[EMAIL
PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I downloaded Python 2.5 yesterday and am having a problem with the included
>IDLE. If I launch IDLE by double-clicking, it shows up in the task bar, then
>immediately goes away. I see no windows, menus,
I downloaded Python 2.5 yesterday and am having a problem with the included
IDLE. If I launch IDLE by double-clicking, it shows up in the task bar, then
immediately goes away. I see no windows, menus, etc. for the program. If I type
IDLE at the command line, IDLE 1.2 launches with no problem. Th
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