anks in advance,
jack.
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in Mac/OSX to apply the patch.
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is to install include files outside of /System
while keeping them functional. The disadvantage is that my approach
seems to induce vomitting in some people ;-)
I assume that was me:-)
But I can't for the life of me remember how you did it. Do you have a
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rk.py", line 545, in __init__
self.id, self.menu = self.bar.addmenu(title, after, id)
File
"/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.3/lib/
python2.3/plat-mac/FrameWork.py", line 479, in addmenu
id = self.getnextid()
File
"/System/Library/Frameworks/Pytho
arated list. If they're something else (a
list of Pascal strings?) I'll just hope someone will chime in.
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his
could well affect other command lines as well.
Check that gcc is indeed Apple's gcc, and not something else.
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{
integer = $$Countof(StringArray);
array StringArray {
pstring; /* String */
};
};
So it looks like a 2-byte count followed by an array of Pascal strings.
Ah yes. And now that I see this I seem to remember that the pstrings
are padded to a 2-byte boundary.
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rated it into their own setup.py (because PIL will
optionally build a custom _tkinter that has support for PIL images).
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e former is easiest for people
building from source, the latter would also be a partial solution for
fink users (partial, because it would allow them to apply the patch,
but there's still no way to warn them that it is needed). Or should we
do both?
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so simply run this script, in stead of bluntly installing a
modified copy of lib/config/Makefile. Opinions on this?
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gain, I'm especially
interested in feedback from people running 10.2 or 10.4 (where the
installer should refuse to run, with a decent message).
You can find the package at
<http://www.cwi.nl/~jack/macpython/JaguarPythonFix.dmg>.
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after installing
newer framework builds of Python".
But suggestions for shorter names are welcome...
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alled PantherPythonFix.dmg.
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. You have now all made your point, I mixed
my cats up:-)
Sorry about that,
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On 27-dec-04, at 17:44, Bob Ippolito wrote:
You can find the package at
<http://www.cwi.nl/~jack/macpython/JaguarPythonFix.dmg>.
The Makefile is missing the MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET=10.3 before the
$(CC) .. which means that for most people, it won't compile extension
modules,
There's a new one, with a new name and the environment bug fixed:
<http://www.cwi.nl/~jack/macpython/PantherPythonFix.dmg>.
Please give it a try,
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sion of Python for the Mac with undocumented,
> proprietary modifications: what issues should he consider?)
I posted a reply to this (I think on both pythonmac-sig and mactcl)
last week. Did you see that message?
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pilation fixed?
Also, could you point me to a readily available extension package that
uses c++?
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indeed the case then I think not
linking with CoreServices would make this problem even worse: imagine a
scenario where an unsuspecting user has working code in a toy app, but
it fails when used in his GUI app (which happens to use CoreServices).
Or code that works standalone but not in .
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end user may have installed. Also not a good
idea.
Or maybe someone here has a silver bullet?
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say in things there'll be something as simple as BuildApplet for a long
time to come:-)
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also CXX. That'll teach
distutils to fiddle with our command lines:-)
Only question is: would this have any adverse side efffects?
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On Dec 30, 2004, at 2:52 PM, Ronald Oussoren wrote:
On 30-dec-04, at 18:49, Bob Ippolito wrote:
On Dec 30, 2004, at 11:44 AM, Jack Jansen wrote:
On 30-dec-04, at 10:02, Ronald Oussoren wrote:
In the quick-and-dirty-hacks category: you could write two
There's yet another new version of the Python 2.3 fix installer
available: <http://www.cwi.nl/~jack/macpython/JaguarPythonFix.dmg>.
This one should also make C++ extensions build correctly again with
apple-installed Python 2.3 on 10.3, after installing a later framework
build.
Pl
And setting MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET to anything other than
10.3 (be it lower or higher) while compiling an extension for Apple's
2.3 is going to produce disappointing results anyway.
But, if I've missed a use case, please enlighten me.
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le-installed Python 2.3 (if
applicable, i.e. if you're installing 2.4.1 on 10.3), but for its own
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to pick up MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET from the Makefile, so it'll never
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, and also if you think there are
fixes missing. I'll wait for about a week and unless anyone (including
myself) has found problems in that time this'll replace the old
additions installer.
Download from
<http://homepages.cwi.nl/~jack/macpython/MacPython-Panther-2.3
-3b1.dmg>
erent algorithm than FreeBSD or Linux.
I wouldn't be surprised if the bittorrent problem report in this thread
was due to being low on diskspace. And that could also be true for the
original error report that sparked this discussion.
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ayaddayadda/lib/python2.3/distutils/distutils.cfg that
points to, say, /Library/Python/2.3/distutils.cfg, and put an
(admin-editable) file there that directs scripts tot the right place
system wide (/usr/local/bin by default, probably).
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On 4-jan-05, at 14:42, Bob Ippolito wrote:
On Jan 4, 2005, at 8:09 AM, Jack Jansen wrote:
I'd never even heard of .pydistutils.cfg. I've added a note to the
FAQ pointing to it.
It has some more features in Python 2.4, you can use it to add new
build command packages to distutils o
#x27;ll make it available.
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t; problem. See the FAQ for a
fix (in short: remove your IDE preferences file). If that doesn't help
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On 7-jan-05, at 22:55, Brendan Simons wrote:
This is an old thread, (and an old topic) but my
question is about the state of the "new tools"
described in Bob's presentation at last year's pyCon.
Scanning the archives, I see Jack and Just have talked
about a PyObjC-based p
on and
not in the Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/ dir
can anyone tell me where fpconst should be located? as well as whether
python2.4 should be in the Library/Frameworks... dir?
thanks in advance!
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On 11-jan-05, at 2:01, Bob Ippolito wrote:
On Jan 10, 2005, at 19:33, Neal Norwitz wrote:
I thought this might be of interest here. The PSF owns a license to
VISE. Jack knows the details.
I think that this is only really relevant to Mac OS9. I'm not sure if
Jack plans to make another re
On 11-jan-05, at 11:09, Michael Twomey wrote:
Hi,
I just tried out the installer and it works fine, but it appears to
have littered my disk with CVS directories, was that intentional? (I'm
guessing not)
Good catch!
I've created a new installer that doesn't have this problem.
sy to use and cheap (preferably free:-)?
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ntion is seen in the wild. Maybe it's worth it to
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usr/bin and then
running configure. [checking...] Yes, that's easiest. Or you can use
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My solution: for throwaway applications consider a cross-platform
toolkit, for anything serious use MVC and code the view and controller
in a platform-native toolkit.
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If I can
27;t mind having automator support in a future "MacPython
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On 22-jan-05, at 2:21, Kevin Ollivier wrote:
Hi Jack,
Hi Kevin!
First: sorry for my bad choice of words. "throwaway apps" especially is
not what I should have said, and some of the other words were badly
chosen too. I definitely don't want to belittle the work you're doing
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Folks,
a MacPython 2.3.5 release for MacOSX 10.2 (also works on 10.3) is
available for testing. Please download it from
<http://homepages.cwi.nl/~jack/macpython/beta.html> and send feedback
(preferably to the mailing list) telling me whether it works.
I'm quite convinced this is
Hot on the heels of 2.3.5 for 10.2 another installer is available for
testing: MacPython 2.3.5 for MacOS9. Again, download it via
<http://homepages.cwi.nl/~jack/macpython/beta.html>
As it is likely that this is the very last release of Python for
classic MacOS, marking the end of Python
new stuff Steve (Our Beloved
Leader, He Who Designed What No Man Designed Before, He Who Forever
Enlightens Our Path, etc etc etc etc etc:-) came up with.
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f so few users. But then, I myself
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.3.5
MacOS 9.2:
MacPython-OS9 2.3.5
MacOS 9 or 9.1:
MacPython-OS9 2.3.5
Also install CarbonLib 1.3 from Apple
MacOS 8.1 or later:
MacPython-OS9 2.2.3
You may need to install Appearance Manager 1.1 on 8.1
Older MacOS releases, including all 68K Macintoshes:
MacPython 1.5.2
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On 18-feb-05, at 22:24, Rick Thomas wrote:
A (hopefully) minor nit:
On the web page <http://homepages.cwi.nl/~jack/macpython/beta.html>
there is a link to a "fix for Apple Python". Unfortunately, clicking
the link tries to go to
<http://homepages.cwi.nl/~jack/macpython/
urse, I've only tested it very lightly and it's very possible
I forgot some essential things. Could you please check whether Python
2.4 (or its Carbon.Qt module used in 2.3) allows you to access the
codec you need?
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If I
If anyone has tried to build Python on Tiger: could you please contact
me?
I've received a bug report that I'd like some more data points on...
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ms I made the switch from
CW6 to CW7 in December 2001. The log messages seem to suggest that 2.2
was released with CW7. So that means 2.1 is the last version that'll
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he experimental database in Package Manager you'll see it
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nd this, I think Just wanted to
make sure that if you had two edit windows open both with "run as
__main__" selected they didn't influence each other. On the other hand
I can imageine that if you do that, open two windows in __main__ mode,
the behaviour you want is exactly that.
ink that you're being a good
citizen by using a built-in resource that will carry you along to
future versions (which it most certainly will NOT).
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For whatever page you're looking at, a click on that will take you to
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Please reply also to me personally, I still have 847 pythonmac-sig
mails waiting for me so if you reply only to the list it'll be a long
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If I can
/local/bin/ at the front of your shell path. Should I
do this for you?"
That way, those of us who are accustomed to managing our own path can
do so ourselves, while newbies will get it taken care of for them.
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this bit of applescript hackery could help someone along the way)
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tf-8') instead of just prepending it with 'u'.
Running framework python 2.4.1, mac os 10.4.3, PyObjC 1.3.7 (from the installer package for 2.4.1/10.3; is it odd that there's not a 1.3.7 for 2.4.1/10.4, or should the one I've got work OK?)-- // jack
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o use. You can browse the docs within XCode, but instead I'd recommend AppKiDo:
http://homepage.mac.com/aglee/downloads/appkido.htmlIt looks through the installed API documentation, and provides a slick, quick interface to search browse the class libraries, more quickly and effectively than a print b
could generate whatever kind of docs they wanted. If that were the case, it should even be easy to even generate PyObjC-syntax docs for the frameworks. What the heck, I'll post it as a bug on
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id not have
the feature to set how many spaces a tabstop was it was decided to go
with spaces for indenting: going with tabs would have meant unix-
heads would be stuck with unusable 8-space indents.
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nicely in a different directory than the source, I'm doing that all
the time), once for ppc once for x86, and then using lipo to combine
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If I can't dan
ctly: AEInstallEventHandler is blissfully unaware of
refcounts. It simply passes the address of the callback function
object to the C AEInstallEventHandler, and hopes the object still
exists when the callback comes.
The workaround is to keep a reference to the object around. Which is
appa
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The majority of the people seem to think the occasional job posting
is fine, with this policy to be reviewed when we're sick and tired of
the number of job postings.
But as we've so far had only one in the 10+ years this list exists I
think we're pretty safe for the time b
d one is for .py documents, and the third one is for .pyc and .pyo files. So, I'd say that using the second and third ones (or something similar) for .py and .pyc/.pyo files on the Mac would be the way to go.
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tsupport, which leads to one C type being handled as CmpObj in stead
of CmpInstObj.
Hmm, well at least the patch will contain that information, I guess.
Could you put it on sourceforge and assign it to me?
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and with cobject it can actuallybe done in a pretty safe way, so I would use something like thatnowadays.-- Jack Jansen, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, http://www.cwi.nl/~jack If I can't dance I don't want to be part of your revolution -- Emma Goldman
smime.p7s
Descrip
tween machines
with 32 and 64 bit integers, but I recall that that has been solved
also. And at least it isn't a problem for ppc/intel mac portability.
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> chmod +x ~/Desktop/MyProg.app/MyProg
>
> double click MyProg on the desktop and it should launch your python
> program using pythonw
I was very surprised when I saw this, I'd never seen this before.
And, indeed, when I tried it it didn't work:-(
Maybe you skipped an im
sktop/alfred_hw.app/alfred_hw << .
#!/usr/bin/env python
from Tkinter import Tk, Label
r=Tk()
Label(r, text="Hello World").pack()
r.mainloop()
.
chmod +x ~/Desktop/alfred_hw.app/alfred_hw
Is anyone else familiar with such simple .app bundles?
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Quicktime is probably your best option for recording from Python, but
I wouldn't bet on it that all the correct functionality is exported
to Python. But I'll be going to need some recording facilities too in
the near future, so if there's something you
he
Python documentation, but the transformation from the official Apple
C documentation is pretty clear (I think).
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tional C++ bridge for Ambulant
(which is my main project nowadays, and which is one of the things
that makes me spend so little time with development of Python itself).
But unfortunately getting the &*^$ thing in better shape for initial
use is something that keeps slipping:-(
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possible", in the full stuffit it's probably something
similar.
It's on by default, it's what makes stuffit do the full decoding and
unpacking of, say, a .tar.gz.
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can't seem to find a way to set the folder background image through
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work, but I simply don't have the time (and probably won't have the
time in the coming few years).
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se zap it now (at least in the trunk) so that problems show
up sooner rather than later. I'm reasonably sure that there's various
things that depend on it (possibly indirectly), these would need
fixing then.
At least if the module is scrapped now we should find out what breaks,
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may have applied in the past are no longer in force.
TIA
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ructured and a joy to read.
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ngle toolkit for everything"
paradigm will break, because Oldstyle-C-Quicktime will (in 64 bit
space) lose it's ability to tweak the rendering so it'll be an edit-
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hi.
can anyone tell me how to use py2app? im just a novice python
programmer and i have no idea how to use it. does anyone know if
theres a gui version around? i have no idea what distutils or
anything like that even MEANS. i just want to be able to send pygame
games to friends.
please help
set to 0xFF) as a signed byte, which it
cannot do.
Change the struct.pack format from 'llHhllbbl' to 'llHhllBBl'.
The code predates the distinction between signed and unsigned bytes
in struct.pack.
But be warned that this also shows how well-maintained the code is:-
Easy in
> python via Twisted, no doubt less so in cocoa.
>
> As always, any advice is much appreciated.
>
> Cheers,
> Darran.
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opment, i.e. when the library
API has only a couple of calls you have the ObjC programmer write a
minimal test script which you then port to Python, you could give
this back to the ObjC developer. There's a very good chance this'll
teach them enough Python to continue the testing
. I used that in the
distant past to allow packman to fix bugs in system packages.
I put the following line (without indentation) into ~/Library/Python/
2.5/site-packages/HackPath.pth
import sys ; sys.path.insert(0, '/Users/jack/MyPythonPrependedPath')
And, indeed, '/Users/
I've just realised how powerful CoreAnimation is, and I want to start
playing with it, especially with the interaction of CoreAnimation
CALayer with "classic" AppKit views and how to treat events, etc.
Is anyone else here using it, and/or interested in sharing experience?
build libpng universal, but problems
with '-M' are usually solved by adding '--disable-dependency-
tracking' to the configure command.
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If I can't dance I don't want to be part of your revolution --
64-bit fix are likely to affect me are
exactly zero (the "newcomer me" from this paragraph, not the "flesh
and blood Jack" me:-).
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ion modules being compatible with a fairly wide range of Python
installations, but please let's try and keep it that way.
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stallers for each of these hotfixes, and then have a umbrella
installer that encompasses all of these? That way, as new problems
surface the only work would be to create a hotfix installer for that
single problem and do a tiny update to the umbrella installer.
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here must be yet another bottleneck...
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