Re: [Ql-Users] QPC2 <> W10

[Dilwyn Jones]

I'm replying to all, Dilwyn, I note that ql-us...@q-v-d.com & 
ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com are in the recipient's.  Sorry.


I didn't break your Web site though!

Didn't you? ;-)

Ah well, it's back now anyway... nice quick personal service on a Sunday 
from my ISP (a certain well known former QL trader).


Dilwyn 




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Re: [Ql-Users] QPC2 <> W10

[Norman Dunbar]

On 17 January 2016 17:09:30 GMT+00:00, Dilwyn Jones 
<dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>Just to let you know Norman that some of us are getting duplicates of
>some 
>of your emails.
>
>Also, I've just been told that my own QL website seems to be down at
>the 
>moment - have advised my ISP.
>
>Dilwyn
>
>-Original Message- 
>From: Norman Dunbar
>Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 2:48 PM
>To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com ; ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com
>Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] QPC2 <> W10
>
>Hi Tim,
>
>On 16/01/16 20:03, Timothy Swenson wrote:
>> The only major problem I have is that I can't print to a printer
>> attached to a Windows system.
>
>just out of interest, is your printer USB attached or network? I have a
>very old HP Photosmart 2610 all in one and it can be USB or network
>attached, so it's on the network. All our laptops, our desktop and our
>tablets and phones (Android = Linux) are happy to print, fax, scan
>to/from it.
>
>I think, but don;t quote me, you need to make sure that the printer is
>shared in Windows if it's USB attached, in order to use it from Linux,
>plus just possibly, you need to have your Linux computer set up as a
>SAMBA client to the Windows Samba server in order to print.
>
>This might help:
>http://www.printmanager.com/cms.php?aid=82=1=8
>
>
>Cheers,
>Norm.
>
>-- 
>Norman Dunbar
>Dunbar IT Consultants Ltd
>
>Registered address:
>27a Lidget Hill
>Pudsey
>West Yorkshire
>United Kingdom
>LS28 7LG
>
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I'm replying to all, Dilwyn, I note that ql-us...@q-v-d.com & 
ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com are in the recipient's.  Sorry.

I didn't break your Web site though! 


Cheers,
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Re: [Ql-Users] QPC2 <> W10

[pjwitte]

Thanks for the info, Norman. I know those of us engaging in a topic 
some on this list deem un-QL, risk a public spanking at the next "QL 
is xx". However, as long as the QL is at the heart of the discussion, 
I believe we may just wriggle out of chastisement if not censure..


On 16/01/2016 17:24, Norman Dunbar wrote:
<>


 > Yo! Norman. Does QPC2 still work under current versions of Wine?
Yes, pretty much perfectly. I have no problems. Accessing the Floppy
Disc hardware obviously doesn't work though - as far as I remember
Marcel telling me, a long time back, it uses direct sector access and
that's to the inbuilt hardware of a Windows box as opposed to an
emulator's USB floppy. (Wine Is Not an Emulator!)

Still, I believe I can use floppy images now at version 4. I haven't
tried that yet though.


Well, thas something..


 > My only

valid Linux installation ATM is on RasPi - too slow to be worth
testing.

It won't work. Wine is x86/amd-64 only. The Pi is ARM, so WINE isn't
even available in the repositories.


But of course! Duh! me.


Almost every year I reconsider whether its worth emigrating to Linux,
but its just such a hassel.

Really? I moved over to "The Dark Side" way back in 2001 just after
Simon's article in Linux Format which mentioned my Web Site at the
time. Anyone wishing to switch simply has to pick up a copy of the
latest Linux Format (the cover DVD has Mint 17.3 (32 and 64 bit
versions) and OpenSuse Leap (64 bit only) on it) and a large section
inside on migrating simply from Windows to Linux Mint 17.3 - which is
what I use for business and pleasure.

You'll be surprised at how simple it can be to switch. Other Windows
migrants like "Mageia" but I haven't tried it.


Ever since RedHat V1.00, every now and again I install, and play with, 
some Linux distro on a spare machine, or as dual boot with M$W, or as 
now: In a VM. Hell! even my phone sports Ubuntu!  And I still hate Linux!


I suppose it has something to do with the fact that Linux is the 
illegitimate child of Unix, that grotesque, bloated discharge of evil 
IBM, a corporation we all loved to hate back in the day. Sticking a 
Disneyesque front-end on to those Byzantian innards still does not 
make for the efficient, safe and elegant - "orthogonal" - OS humanity 
really, really deserves. IMHO. While M$W is not much better it has the 
advantage of being mainstream! which may be a bit of a relief for many 
of us who have been paddling against the PC tide for many years.


<>

I think that Linux is vastly more secure than Windows. Security is
built in, not bolted on after the fact. Does Windows still come with
an administrator user which has no password? It did at XP and that
little fact was buried on page 16 of a small booklet full of adverts
and not much else when I got my first XP laptop.


Most of the security concerns of the last century were taken care of 
by the NT re-write. By the time of XP, MSDOS had completely 
dissappeared from mainstream M$W distros. The security issues of today 
are built in to our "apps" and the way we use them - a much more 
terrifying threat! I cant imagine Linux users are any less exposed to 
those than users of any other OS out there.



Yes, there is lots to hate in any OS, I know Mac users who whine about
this and that never working, updates that break things and those
damned U2 albums that appear every 5 minutes like a virus! I know
Linux users who whine about other stuff. I have been known to shout at
QDOS myself from time to time!

:-)


Cheers,
Norm.


I guess what Im looking for is a machine - in a single, 
energy-efficient unit - that does three separate things:


1)  Run my "QL" - preferably on a bare metal, min 1GHz, 
MC68-compatible CPU and capabilities comparable to QPC2 and SMSQmulator


2) An all-other-modern-PC-worker-unit for word processing, art work, 
music, etc, that has no business whatsoever being online.


3) An online unit for browsing, email, getting updates, etc

1 & 2 can read and write to partitions on 3, but 3 has no access at 
all to 1 & 2


Of course the perfect scenario is not possible today (viz dream 1), 
but it might be possible to come pretty close. Perhaps I should think 
this through and do some tests rather than throw it all out here? But 
just out of interest what dyall think?


A. A base unit sporting a widely supported Linux distro. Using a VM 
box with W2k for running some QL/SMSQ emulator. A second VM running 
Linux or some Windoze configured as unit 2, and a third VM for unit 3.


B. A base unit runing (eg) W7, but otherwise configured as A. above

C. Something else..

Per

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Re: [Ql-Users] QPC2 <> W10

[Norman Dunbar]

Hi Tim,

On 16/01/16 20:03, Timothy Swenson wrote:

The only major problem I have is that I can't print to a printer
attached to a Windows system.


just out of interest, is your printer USB attached or network? I have a 
very old HP Photosmart 2610 all in one and it can be USB or network 
attached, so it's on the network. All our laptops, our desktop and our 
tablets and phones (Android = Linux) are happy to print, fax, scan 
to/from it.


I think, but don;t quote me, you need to make sure that the printer is 
shared in Windows if it's USB attached, in order to use it from Linux, 
plus just possibly, you need to have your Linux computer set up as a 
SAMBA client to the Windows Samba server in order to print.


This might help: 
http://www.printmanager.com/cms.php?aid=82=1=8



Cheers,
Norm.

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Registered address:
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Pudsey
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LS28 7LG

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Re: [Ql-Users] QPC2 <> W10

[Norman Dunbar]

On 17/01/16 11:54, pjwitte wrote:

Of course the perfect scenario is not possible today (viz dream 1), but
it might be possible to come pretty close. Perhaps I should think this
through and do some tests rather than throw it all out here? But just
out of interest what dyall think?

A. A base unit sporting a widely supported Linux distro. Using a VM box
with W2k for running some QL/SMSQ emulator. A second VM running Linux or
some Windoze configured as unit 2, and a third VM for unit 3.


Sounds pretty much like this laptop I'm using now. It's got Linux Mint 
17.3 64 bit as the host OS, 8GB RAM and a Core 2 processor of some kind. 
It was the top of the range when I bought it, but about a week after I 
did so, the i3, i5 and i7 came out. Typical!


I run everything in Linux - email, browsing, Office stuff, PCB design, 
document processing (for the Assembly Mailing List etc), QPC, 
programming, Copying my DVDs to the network drive, ripping my CDs for my 
music player (Astell & Kern AK100) and so on. At least, it does when I 
have time!


I also have about 6 different VirtualBox Guest VMs running assorted 
flavours of Linux with Oracle 11gR2 installed on each - for my various 
work needs - and one, pretty much unused Windows 7 VM, for the extremely 
odd occasion when I have to test a new version of QStripper, or similar. 
I think I have an old 32 bit XP VM as well, I'll have to check!


I definitely need a bigger hard drive though, I only have 500Gb and it's 
pretty much nearly all gone.



Cheers,
Norm.

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Re: [Ql-Users] QPC2 <> W10

[Dilwyn Jones]

Just to let you know Norman that some of us are getting duplicates of some 
of your emails.


Also, I've just been told that my own QL website seems to be down at the 
moment - have advised my ISP.


Dilwyn

-Original Message- 
From: Norman Dunbar

Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 2:48 PM
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com ; ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] QPC2 <> W10

Hi Tim,

On 16/01/16 20:03, Timothy Swenson wrote:

The only major problem I have is that I can't print to a printer
attached to a Windows system.


just out of interest, is your printer USB attached or network? I have a
very old HP Photosmart 2610 all in one and it can be USB or network
attached, so it's on the network. All our laptops, our desktop and our
tablets and phones (Android = Linux) are happy to print, fax, scan
to/from it.

I think, but don;t quote me, you need to make sure that the printer is
shared in Windows if it's USB attached, in order to use it from Linux,
plus just possibly, you need to have your Linux computer set up as a
SAMBA client to the Windows Samba server in order to print.

This might help:
http://www.printmanager.com/cms.php?aid=82=1=8


Cheers,
Norm.

--
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Dunbar IT Consultants Ltd

Registered address:
27a Lidget Hill
Pudsey
West Yorkshire
United Kingdom
LS28 7LG

Company Number: 05132767
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Re: [Ql-Users] QPC2 <> W10

[Tobias Fröschle]

Dilwyn,
The duplicates you get are the ones that miss me, apparently. The list 
seems to be eating up somewhat like 40% of the messages since some months


Tobias

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Am 17. Januar 2016 18:13:41 schrieb "Dilwyn Jones" 
<dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk>:



Just to let you know Norman that some of us are getting duplicates of some
of your emails.

Also, I've just been told that my own QL website seems to be down at the
moment - have advised my ISP.

Dilwyn

-Original Message-
From: Norman Dunbar
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 2:48 PM
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com ; ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] QPC2 <> W10

Hi Tim,

On 16/01/16 20:03, Timothy Swenson wrote:

The only major problem I have is that I can't print to a printer
attached to a Windows system.


just out of interest, is your printer USB attached or network? I have a
very old HP Photosmart 2610 all in one and it can be USB or network
attached, so it's on the network. All our laptops, our desktop and our
tablets and phones (Android = Linux) are happy to print, fax, scan
to/from it.

I think, but don;t quote me, you need to make sure that the printer is
shared in Windows if it's USB attached, in order to use it from Linux,
plus just possibly, you need to have your Linux computer set up as a
SAMBA client to the Windows Samba server in order to print.

This might help:
http://www.printmanager.com/cms.php?aid=82=1=8


Cheers,
Norm.

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Dunbar IT Consultants Ltd

Registered address:
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Pudsey
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United Kingdom
LS28 7LG

Company Number: 05132767
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Re: [Ql-Users] QPC2 <> W10

[Dilwyn Jones]

A little while back, I realised that the occasional ql-users mail was 
finding its way into my spam folder, so I took appropriate measures and now 
I don't seem to lose any, except a small percentage that the EE filtering 
knocks out which I can't control except possibly by speaking to their 
dreaded call centre, maybe.


Hmm, reminds me, EE are about to be gobbled up by BT aren't they? Maybe 
they'll change their name to BTee now ;-)


Dilwyn

-Original Message- 
From: Tobias Fröschle

Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 5:23 PM
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] QPC2 <> W10

Dilwyn,
The duplicates you get are the ones that miss me, apparently. The list
seems to be eating up somewhat like 40% of the messages since some months

Tobias

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Am 17. Januar 2016 18:13:41 schrieb "Dilwyn Jones"
<dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk>:


Just to let you know Norman that some of us are getting duplicates of some
of your emails.

Also, I've just been told that my own QL website seems to be down at the
moment - have advised my ISP.

Dilwyn

-Original Message-
From: Norman Dunbar
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 2:48 PM
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com ; ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] QPC2 <> W10

Hi Tim,

On 16/01/16 20:03, Timothy Swenson wrote:

The only major problem I have is that I can't print to a printer
attached to a Windows system.


just out of interest, is your printer USB attached or network? I have a
very old HP Photosmart 2610 all in one and it can be USB or network
attached, so it's on the network. All our laptops, our desktop and our
tablets and phones (Android = Linux) are happy to print, fax, scan
to/from it.

I think, but don;t quote me, you need to make sure that the printer is
shared in Windows if it's USB attached, in order to use it from Linux,
plus just possibly, you need to have your Linux computer set up as a
SAMBA client to the Windows Samba server in order to print.

This might help:
http://www.printmanager.com/cms.php?aid=82=1=8


Cheers,
Norm.

--
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Dunbar IT Consultants Ltd

Registered address:
27a Lidget Hill
Pudsey
West Yorkshire
United Kingdom
LS28 7LG

Company Number: 05132767
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Re: [Ql-Users] QPC2 <> W10

[Norman Dunbar]

Hi Tim,

> Instead of Linux Mint, I went with Lubuntu (Ubuntu light).  I first 
> installed Linux on an older Lenovo with 512MB of memory.  Linux Mint 
> would hardly start, but Lubuntu worked great.

I borrowed my wife's old Dell Inspiring laptop and put Mint 17 32 bit on it. 
With Cinnamon desktop it was quite slow,  so I switched over to LXDE and it 
runs like a dream now. 

I mainly use it for PCB design using Kicad and/or Fritzing.

That's one laptop nicely recycled!  Plus it boots up in  a couple of minutes 
whereas XP eventually needed bout 10 minutes to boot. That used to drive her 
mad.


Cheers, 
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Re: [Ql-Users] QPC2 <> W10

[Norman Dunbar]

Evening Dilwyn,

Ah yes, I do recall something about your past problems with Windows! I wasn't 
aware you had Packard Bell kit though, Curry's "own brand" stuff, or junk as we 
IT professionals know it. I had one of those briefly some years back. Took it 
back to PC World as unfit for purpose and got a full refund.

I had a panicked call for help from my brother up in Elgin, back home, as his 
HP laptop had been upgraded to Windows 10 and now refused to start. He'd 
managed to brick it! As he didn't have any rescue disc or originals, he was 
basically "seduced"! That's the joy of having a recovery partition, when the 
disc is wiped,  it's wiped!

He ended up buying  new laptop which had windows 10 pretty loaded, and when I 
next get up to Elgin I'll be recycling the HP with Linux Mint!


Good luck with your kit! 


Cheers,
Norm.


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Re: [Ql-Users] QPC2 <> W10

[Graeme Gregory]

On Sat, 16 Jan 2016, at 05:25 PM, Dilwyn Jones wrote:
> > Yes, there is lots to hate in any OS, I know Mac users who whine about 
> > this and that never working, updates that break things and those damned U2 
> > albums that appear every 5 minutes like a virus! I know Linux users who 
> > whine about other stuff. I have been known to shout at QDOS myself from 
> > time to time!
> >
> > :-)
> Careful, Norman, you might just tempt me to Linux at this rate.
> 
> You know the damage I've done to Windows... you wouldn't want to inflict
> me 
> on the Linux community would you :o)
> 
> I've tried upgrading 3 separate Windows 7 machines to Windows 10 now. In
> all 
> cases, despite passing the compatibility tests, none would work after the 
> upgrade, and in each case the rollback to Windows 7 failed too, in each
> case 
> necessitating a full reformat and reinstallation of Windows 7. After 
> reinstalling Windows 7 on one of them, I tried the update again thinking 
> that as it was a clean machine it should work. Oh no it didn't.
> 
> No wonder Windows 10 upgrade is "free" - nobody in their right minds
> would 
> buy it as an upgrade.
> 
And yet I am now upto machine 7 upgraded without an issue.

Who made your machines out of interest?

Graeme
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Re: [Ql-Users] QPC2 <> W10

[Dilwyn Jones]

Packard Bell (desktop), Zoostorm (netbook), another machine consigned to the 
attic due to lack of space down here, whose brand I can't remember off hand. 
Plus an Intel Compute Stick supplied by eBuyer in December with Win10 32-bit 
preinstalled, but died during the first Windows update and has just been 
replaced as faulty. It's a similar spec to the netbook and shares the 
Aurora's monitor nicely since that has an otherwise unused HDMI connector. 
If I can get it working, it'll make me a second PC good enough for basic web 
browsing, streaming maybe, and of course QL emulation.


My son's laptop upgraded to Win10 OK with only a graphics driver issue, 
solved with a simple update to the driver, he has had massive problems with 
a self-build desktop PC of his but as he had more time on his hands than I 
do - he's persisted and tackled the issues one by one until the machine is 
now sort-of working even though he can be heard threatening to throw it out 
of the window almost daily, weeks after he first started updating. His main 
issues seem to revolve around connecting to the internet after the update 
and the machine going into constant restart loops after each Windows 10 
update.


We've also had problems like Start menus disappearing and software being 
uninstalled or disabled after updates.


Basically, we found we were having to waste so much time fixing stupid 
issues there was little time left for actual computing!


Thankfully, where Windows 10 works, QL emulation seems to have carried on 
working just fine, which is the positive part of the saga. That seems to be 
reflected in user comments in magazines and online forums, that where 
Windows 10 works, people love it, but far too many people seem to find it 
doesn't work on updated systems and so go back to Windows 7. Would be 
interesting to find stats on what percentage of updaters rolled back to 
Windows 7 or 8.


Sadly, these days, our QLing is surprisingly dependent on other operating 
systems.


Dilwyn


Who made your machines out of interest?

Graeme

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Re: [Ql-Users] QPC2 <> W10

[Timothy Swenson]

On 01/16/2016 09:25 AM, Dilwyn Jones wrote:

Careful, Norman, you might just tempt me to Linux at this rate.


Which would not be that bad to do.  I've been running exclusively Linux 
at home for about 3 years.  The only major problem I have is that I 
can't print to a printer attached to a Windows system.


Instead of Linux Mint, I went with Lubuntu (Ubuntu light).  I first 
installed Linux on an older Lenovo with 512MB of memory.  Linux Mint 
would hardly start, but Lubuntu worked great.


SMSQmulator works fine under Linux.  Q-emulator and QPC2 work fine under 
Wine.  I even use EightyOne (ZX81) under Wine.  There is a native ZX81 
and Spectrum emulator ZesarUX.  SZ81 is a native ZX81 emulator.  Pasmo 
is a Z80 ASM cross compiler. Z88dk is a Z80 C cross compiler.  I can 
really do all my Sinclair programming on Linux.


I'd suggest finding a spare system, install a distribution of Linux and 
just experiment with it.


Tim Swenson




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Re: [Ql-Users] QPC2 <> W10

[Graeme Gregory]

On Sat, 16 Jan 2016, at 06:25 PM, Dilwyn Jones wrote:
> Packard Bell (desktop), Zoostorm (netbook),

This unfortunately explains your failure :-(

Friends don't let friends buy either of these manufacturers :-(

G
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Re: [Ql-Users] QPC2 <> W10

[Dilwyn Jones]

That makes me feel a lot better...I think :o)

The third machine was a Dell laptop, fairly old, purchased second hand, but 
supposedly capable of Win10 upgrade. After I sent the first email, I 
remembered it was the one I sold late last year.


Dilwyn

-Original Message- 
From: Graeme Gregory

Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 6:54 PM
To: ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] QPC2 <> W10

On Sat, 16 Jan 2016, at 06:25 PM, Dilwyn Jones wrote:

Packard Bell (desktop), Zoostorm (netbook),


This unfortunately explains your failure :-(

Friends don't let friends buy either of these manufacturers :-(

G
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Re: [Ql-Users] QPC2 <> W10

[Norman Dunbar]

I was sure I'd replied to this email a while back, but now I don;t see 
it. Here goes again!



> Yo! Norman. Does QPC2 still work under current versions of Wine?
Yes, pretty much perfectly. I have no problems. Accessing the Floppy 
Disc hardware obviously doesn't work though - as far as I remember 
Marcel telling me, a long time back, it uses direct sector access and 
that's to the inbuilt hardware of a Windows box as opposed to an 
emulator's USB floppy. (Wine Is Not an Emulator!)


Still, I believe I can use floppy images now at version 4. I haven't 
tried that yet though.




> My only

valid Linux installation ATM is on RasPi - too slow to be worth testing.
It won't work. Wine is x86/amd-64 only. The Pi is ARM, so WINE isn't 
even available in the repositories.



Almost every year I reconsider whether its worth emigrating to Linux,
but its just such a hassel.
Really? I moved over to "The Dark Side" way back in 2001 just after 
Simon's article in Linux Format which mentioned my Web Site at the time. 
Anyone wishing to switch simply has to pick up a copy of the latest 
Linux Format (the cover DVD has Mint 17.3 (32 and 64 bit versions) and 
OpenSuse Leap (64 bit only) on it) and a large section inside on 
migrating simply from Windows to Linux Mint 17.3 - which is what I use 
for business and pleasure.


You'll be surprised at how simple it can be to switch. Other Windows 
migrants like "Mageia" but I haven't tried it.


A colleague at work had to sort out his ageing parents recently. Their 
XP system had a hard disc failure and they had lost/binned/destroyed the 
original CD - assuming it actually had one, it may have been a recovery 
partition on the now defunct hard drive.


Anyway, they were "dyed in the wool XP users, couldn't use anything 
else, didn't like change etc" - what could he do? Windows 7 cost too 
much, Windows 8 would have baffled the aged ones, so I suggested Linux 
Mint 17 with the Cinnamon Desktop. He was a bit dubious, but did it 
anyway. He also told them it was an upgrade to Windows. They loved it! 
And, even better, have not had to call him out for any problems.


However, each to their own. However, most Linux distos (aka 
distributions) nowadays come with a "live DVD" where you simply insert 
the DVD and reboot. As long as the computer boots from the DVD, you get 
a "try before you (don't) buy" system that will not touch the hard disc 
nor will it write anything over your Windows stuff. Oh, and you can read 
your Windows files just fine too.


If you decide to install, they are very careful to make sure that the 
allow you to use your Windows system by giving you the option on the 
boot menu, unlike Windows which assumes it is the only OS, and wipes the 
ability to boot into Linux.




And tho different, to me there seems to be
as much to hate in both systems. (Apple can hardly be considered an
option for grownups and has silly hardware restrictions.) Makes me
wonder whether I might outlive QDOS/SMSQ 


I think that Linux is vastly more secure than Windows. Security is built 
in, not bolted on after the fact. Does Windows still come with an 
administrator user which has no password? It did at XP and that little 
fact was buried on page 16 of a small booklet full of adverts and not 
much else when I got my first XP laptop.


Yes, there is lots to hate in any OS, I know Mac users who whine about 
this and that never working, updates that break things and those damned 
U2 albums that appear every 5 minutes like a virus! I know Linux users 
who whine about other stuff. I have been known to shout at QDOS myself 
from time to time!


:-)


Cheers,
Norm.

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Dunbar IT Consultants Ltd

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Re: [Ql-Users] QPC2 <> W10

[Derek Stewart]

Hi,

I use QPC2, QPC1 (via DOSBOX), Qemulator and under Wine and SMSQmulator 
under Java, on Linux.


I dumped Windows years ago, even Autocad works under Wine, though I am 
struggling with Solidworks 2014, but I told there solution around this.


I do not think Windows is a viable solution now, even  Unity 3D has been 
released for Linux, this shows how much the Operating System has come on.


But... trying to keep on topic, as long as QL emulation works under Wine 
or Java then I use Linux. I also like the Open Source idea as well.


Regards,

Derek

On 05/01/16 02:15, Timothy Swenson wrote:

On 01/04/2016 08:35 AM, pjwitte wrote:

Almost every year I reconsider whether its worth emigrating to Linux,
but its just such a hassel


I'm using Lubuntu 14.X and my migration from Windows XP was quite
smooth. At the time I was using all Open Source tools that are also
cross platform:
Firefox for web browser
Open Office for Word processor, spreadsheet
Thunderbird for e-mail
Scribus for DTP
DOSbox for old DOS programs
SMSQMulator for QL emulation

The things that I had to get were:
 Xfburn for burning CD's
 Asunder for CD ripping
 Handbrake for DVD ripping

All the software I installed from scratch.  For Thunderbird, I moved the
large mailbox file from one node to another and I had my config and old
e-mails.

I'm using both Qemualtor and QPC2 under Wine.  I don't use QPC2 that
much, but it works when I use it.

I used Lubuntu because I like LXDE desktop environment.  Other
distributions might have it too.

Tim Swenson

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Re: [Ql-Users] QPC2 <> W10

[Timothy Swenson]

On 01/04/2016 08:35 AM, pjwitte wrote:

Almost every year I reconsider whether its worth emigrating to Linux,
but its just such a hassel


I'm using Lubuntu 14.X and my migration from Windows XP was quite 
smooth. At the time I was using all Open Source tools that are also 
cross platform:

   Firefox for web browser
   Open Office for Word processor, spreadsheet
   Thunderbird for e-mail
   Scribus for DTP
   DOSbox for old DOS programs
   SMSQMulator for QL emulation

The things that I had to get were:
Xfburn for burning CD's
Asunder for CD ripping
Handbrake for DVD ripping

All the software I installed from scratch.  For Thunderbird, I moved the 
large mailbox file from one node to another and I had my config and old 
e-mails.


I'm using both Qemualtor and QPC2 under Wine.  I don't use QPC2 that 
much, but it works when I use it.


I used Lubuntu because I like LXDE desktop environment.  Other 
distributions might have it too.


Tim Swenson

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Re: [Ql-Users] QPC2 <> W10

[pjwitte]

On 03/01/2016 14:19, Bob Spelten wrote:

Op Sat, 02 Jan 2016 16:46:55 +0100 schreef pjwitte :


Traditional seasons' greatings implied..

Recently Windoze 10 has started messing with QPC2: When I put my
machine to sleep with QPC2 in fullscreen mode in the background it
wakes up with QPC2 in a catatonic state: No display, no response.

Anyone suffering the same? Any known remedies?

Per



I have had the same problem with W$7 but not recently.
Having QPC2 open full screen (windowed) could have been a factor.
I now always buttonise QPC2 before letting W$ fall asleep or slumber,
which is also more energy efficient.

I also did find that having the keyboard set to SMSQ/E in the config
screen doesn't agree well with sleep mode. When W$ is then woken the
change is that the QPC2 keys produce rubbish, then the only solution
is to kill QPC2. When set to WINDOWS keys this is not the case.

I have no experience with W$10, yet.

Bob

Thanks Bob. The thing is that everything worked fine until it suddenly 
stopped working (consistently) for a period of a few weeks. It hasnt 
happened again since the day I posted to this list so perhaps you guys 
have been praying/meditating very hard, bombarding my system with 
positive vibes ;) in which case my thanks are implied to the degree 
appropriate in each instance..


Per


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Re: [Ql-Users] QPC2 <> W10

[pjwitte]

On 02/01/2016 18:21, Norman Dunbar wrote:
> On 2 January 2016 15:46:55 GMT+00:00, pjwitte  
wrote:

>
> Traditional seasons' greatings implied..
>
> Recently Windoze 10 has started messing with QPC2: When I put my
> machine to sleep with QPC2 in fullscreen mode in the background it
> wakes up with QPC2 in a catatonic state: No display, no response.
>
> Anyone suffering the same? Any known remedies?
>
> Per
> 
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>
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>
> Many versions of SUSE ago, I used to get the same thing with QPC. I
> put it down to running it under WINE and just made sure it never slept.
> I've not had it for ages with SUSE or Linux Mint.
>
> Not much help I'm afraid. Sorry.
>
> Implied greetings to you too. 
> --
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity
> and any "auto corrections" that are just wrong!

Yo! Norman. Does QPC2 still work under current versions of Wine? My 
only valid Linux installation ATM is on RasPi - too slow to be worth 
testing. Almost every year I reconsider whether its worth emigrating 
to Linux, but its just such a hassel. And tho different, to me there 
seems to be as much to hate in both systems. (Apple can hardly be 
considered an option for grownups and has silly hardware 
restrictions.) Makes me wonder whether I might outlive QDOS/SMSQ 


Per

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Re: [Ql-Users] QPC2 <> W10

[Bob Spelten]

Op Sat, 02 Jan 2016 16:46:55 +0100 schreef pjwitte :


Traditional seasons' greatings implied..

Recently Windoze 10 has started messing with QPC2: When I put my machine  
to sleep with QPC2 in fullscreen mode in the background it wakes up with  
QPC2 in a catatonic state: No display, no response.


Anyone suffering the same? Any known remedies?

Per



I have had the same problem with W$7 but not recently.
Having QPC2 open full screen (windowed) could have been a factor.
I now always buttonise QPC2 before letting W$ fall asleep or slumber,  
which is also more energy efficient.


I also did find that having the keyboard set to SMSQ/E in the config  
screen doesn't agree well with sleep mode. When W$ is then woken the  
change is that the QPC2 keys produce rubbish, then the only solution is to  
kill QPC2. When set to WINDOWS keys this is not the case.


I have no experience with W$10, yet.

Bob

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[Ql-Users] QPC2 <> W10

[pjwitte]

Traditional seasons' greatings implied..

Recently Windoze 10 has started messing with QPC2: When I put my 
machine to sleep with QPC2 in fullscreen mode in the background it 
wakes up with QPC2 in a catatonic state: No display, no response.


Anyone suffering the same? Any known remedies?

Per
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[Norman Dunbar]

On 2 January 2016 15:46:55 GMT+00:00, pjwitte  wrote:
>Traditional seasons' greatings implied..
>
>Recently Windoze 10 has started messing with QPC2: When I put my 
>machine to sleep with QPC2 in fullscreen mode in the background it 
>wakes up with QPC2 in a catatonic state: No display, no response.
>
>Anyone suffering the same? Any known remedies?
>
>Per
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Many versions of SUSE ago, I used to get the same thing with QPC. I put it down 
to running it under WINE and just made sure it never slept.
I've not had it for ages with SUSE or Linux Mint.

Not much help I'm afraid. Sorry.

Implied greetings to you too.  
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"auto corrections" that are just wrong!
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