Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-Users] Data collection on (S)GCs

2013-03-14 Thread Dave Park 
Excellent :) Enjoy it.


On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 4:12 AM,  wrote:

> Hi Dave,
>I dont use it much now, but when I do, it seems to be ok.
>
> Arnold.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>  From: Dave Park 
> To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
> Sent: Wednesday, 13 March 2013, 16:34
> Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-Users] Data collection on (S)GCs
>
> Hi Arnold,
>
> Thank you. I have added you to the chart.
>
> Yours is the only GC reported that uses a B Altera chip. How does it
> work? Is it reliable?
>
> Dave
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 9:15 AM,  wrote:
>
> > gold card 2ep1810lc-20t B9137 and a paper sticker with ingot 6
> written
> > on it.
> >
> > Arnold
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________
> >  From: Dave Park 
> > To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, 12 March 2013, 19:47
> > Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-Users] Data collection on (S)GCs
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Thanks for the great response. Here are the results :)
> >
> > CHIP DATE ROM
> >
> > Gold Card 1
> > EP1810LC-20T C9119
> > EP1810LC-20T A9119
> > EP1810LC-20T A9119
> > EP1810LC-20T A9119
> >
> > Gold Card 2
> > EP1810LC-35T C9213 -
> >
> >
> > Gold Card 3
> > EP1810LC-25T C9301 2.49
> >
> >
> > Super Gold Card
> > EP1810LC-25T C9349 2.49 -
> > EP1810LC-25T C9401   2.49 -
> > EP1810LC-25T C9401   2.49 -
> > EP1810LC-25T C9401   2.49 -
> > EP1810LC-25T C9401   2.49 -
> > EP1810LC-25T C9501 2.49 -
> > EP1810LC-25T C9501   2.49 -
> >
> > Altera EP1810LC-25T or 20T will work in any type of Gold Card.
> > Additionally, 35T (slower) parts were used in some Gold Cards.
> >
> > The cut-off date is C9707. These chips are theoretically reprogrammable,
> > but do not have an erase window. The EP1810-JI and JC versions are
> > internally identical but DO have a UV erase window packaging.
> >
> > Thank you to everyone who contributed. :)
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 2:40 PM, John Alexander
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > It's probably the sparkle that's blocking their view of the markings ;)
> > >
> > > --- On Mon, 11/3/13, Dave Park  wrote:
> > >
> > > From: Dave Park 
> > > Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-Users] Data collection on (S)GCs
> > > To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
> > > Date: Monday, 11 March, 2013, 0:49
> > >
> > > People are welcome to send photos too, but please remember to send them
> > to
> > > d...@sinclairql.com and not to the list. :)
> > >
> > > BUT... how could it be?! QLers are a youthful and spritely bunch with a
> > > sparkle in their eye that belies their years!
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 5:38 PM, John Alexander
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I suspect that many folk who have such devices are maybe long enough
> in
> > > > the tooth not to really see those markings especially after xx years.
> > > >
> > > > A really nice simple way of getting accurate results is merely to
> > > > photograph the board with your compact camera assuming you have a
> > decent
> > > > Macro. This is a great way of getting all sorts of board information
> > > > depending on circumstance..
> > > >
> > > > Yeah I know it's obvious but I'm sure that it's sooo obvious that
> many
> > an
> > > > owner will be cursing over that faded writing :)
> > > >
> > > > Good luck John A
> > > >
> > > > --- On Sun, 10/3/13, Francois Lanciault <
> francoislancia...@hotmail.com
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > From: Francois Lanciault 
> > > > Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-Users] Data collection on (S)GCs
> > > > To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
> > > > Date: Sunday, 10 March, 2013, 18:36
> > > >
> > > > Difficult to read as some of the characters have worn off...
> > > >
> > > > Looks like:
> > > >
> > > > EP1810LC-20T
> > > > A9119
> > > >
> > > > Yellow gold card with just the name Gold Card. Not working.
> > > >
> > > > Will look at my super goldcard eventually.
> > > >
> > > > F.
> > > >
> > > >

Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-Users] Data collection on (S)GCs

2013-03-14 Thread arnold . clarke 
Hi Dave,
   I dont use it much now, but when I do, it seems to be ok.

Arnold.







 From: Dave Park 
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com 
Sent: Wednesday, 13 March 2013, 16:34
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-Users] Data collection on (S)GCs
 
Hi Arnold,

Thank you. I have added you to the chart.

Yours is the only GC reported that uses a B Altera chip. How does it
work? Is it reliable?

Dave


On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 9:15 AM,  wrote:

> gold card 2    ep1810lc-20t B9137 and a paper sticker with ingot 6 written
> on it.
>
> Arnold
>
>
>
>
> 
>  From: Dave Park 
> To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
> Sent: Tuesday, 12 March 2013, 19:47
> Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-Users] Data collection on (S)GCs
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Thanks for the great response. Here are the results :)
>
> CHIP DATE ROM
>
> Gold Card 1
> EP1810LC-20T C9119
> EP1810LC-20T A9119
> EP1810LC-20T A9119
> EP1810LC-20T A9119
>
> Gold Card 2
> EP1810LC-35T C9213 -
>
>
> Gold Card 3
> EP1810LC-25T C9301 2.49
>
>
> Super Gold Card
> EP1810LC-25T C9349 2.49 -
> EP1810LC-25T C9401   2.49 -
> EP1810LC-25T C9401   2.49 -
> EP1810LC-25T C9401   2.49 -
> EP1810LC-25T C9401   2.49 -
> EP1810LC-25T C9501 2.49 -
> EP1810LC-25T C9501   2.49 -
>
> Altera EP1810LC-25T or 20T will work in any type of Gold Card.
> Additionally, 35T (slower) parts were used in some Gold Cards.
>
> The cut-off date is C9707. These chips are theoretically reprogrammable,
> but do not have an erase window. The EP1810-JI and JC versions are
> internally identical but DO have a UV erase window packaging.
>
> Thank you to everyone who contributed. :)
>
> Dave
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 2:40 PM, John Alexander
> wrote:
>
> >
> > It's probably the sparkle that's blocking their view of the markings ;)
> >
> > --- On Mon, 11/3/13, Dave Park  wrote:
> >
> > From: Dave Park 
> > Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-Users] Data collection on (S)GCs
> > To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
> > Date: Monday, 11 March, 2013, 0:49
> >
> > People are welcome to send photos too, but please remember to send them
> to
> > d...@sinclairql.com and not to the list. :)
> >
> > BUT... how could it be?! QLers are a youthful and spritely bunch with a
> > sparkle in their eye that belies their years!
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 5:38 PM, John Alexander
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I suspect that many folk who have such devices are maybe long enough in
> > > the tooth not to really see those markings especially after xx years.
> > >
> > > A really nice simple way of getting accurate results is merely to
> > > photograph the board with your compact camera assuming you have a
> decent
> > > Macro. This is a great way of getting all sorts of board information
> > > depending on circumstance..
> > >
> > > Yeah I know it's obvious but I'm sure that it's sooo obvious that many
> an
> > > owner will be cursing over that faded writing :)
> > >
> > > Good luck John A
> > >
> > > --- On Sun, 10/3/13, Francois Lanciault  >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > From: Francois Lanciault 
> > > Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-Users] Data collection on (S)GCs
> > > To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
> > > Date: Sunday, 10 March, 2013, 18:36
> > >
> > > Difficult to read as some of the characters have worn off...
> > >
> > > Looks like:
> > >
> > > EP1810LC-20T
> > > A9119
> > >
> > > Yellow gold card with just the name Gold Card. Not working.
> > >
> > > Will look at my super goldcard eventually.
> > >
> > > F.
> > >
> > > On 2013-03-10, at 13:53, Dave Park wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi everyone,
> > > >
> > > > I was wondering if you could take a minute out of your day to help
> us?
> > > > We're trying to solve a problem by better understanding it. This
> > requires
> > > > that we collect information about what works, to see how big a pool
> of
> > > > components is.
> > > >
> > > > If you have a Gold Card or Super Gold Card, we'd like some
> information
> > > > about it. In particular, we'd like to know the date and model of the
> > > Altera
> > > > chip your card has.
> > > >
> > > > What we already know is that some time in the late 90s, Altera made a
> > > > r

Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-Users] Data collection on (S)GCs

2013-03-13 Thread Dave Park 
Hi Arnold,

Thank you. I have added you to the chart.

Yours is the only GC reported that uses a B Altera chip. How does it
work? Is it reliable?

Dave


On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 9:15 AM,  wrote:

> gold card 2ep1810lc-20t B9137 and a paper sticker with ingot 6 written
> on it.
>
> Arnold
>
>
>
>
> 
>  From: Dave Park 
> To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
> Sent: Tuesday, 12 March 2013, 19:47
> Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-Users] Data collection on (S)GCs
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Thanks for the great response. Here are the results :)
>
> CHIP DATE ROM
>
> Gold Card 1
> EP1810LC-20T C9119
> EP1810LC-20T A9119
> EP1810LC-20T A9119
> EP1810LC-20T A9119
>
> Gold Card 2
> EP1810LC-35T C9213 -
>
>
> Gold Card 3
> EP1810LC-25T C9301 2.49
>
>
> Super Gold Card
> EP1810LC-25T C9349 2.49 -
> EP1810LC-25T C9401   2.49 -
> EP1810LC-25T C9401   2.49 -
> EP1810LC-25T C9401   2.49 -
> EP1810LC-25T C9401   2.49 -
> EP1810LC-25T C9501 2.49 -
> EP1810LC-25T C9501   2.49 -
>
> Altera EP1810LC-25T or 20T will work in any type of Gold Card.
> Additionally, 35T (slower) parts were used in some Gold Cards.
>
> The cut-off date is C9707. These chips are theoretically reprogrammable,
> but do not have an erase window. The EP1810-JI and JC versions are
> internally identical but DO have a UV erase window packaging.
>
> Thank you to everyone who contributed. :)
>
> Dave
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 2:40 PM, John Alexander
> wrote:
>
> >
> > It's probably the sparkle that's blocking their view of the markings ;)
> >
> > --- On Mon, 11/3/13, Dave Park  wrote:
> >
> > From: Dave Park 
> > Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-Users] Data collection on (S)GCs
> > To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
> > Date: Monday, 11 March, 2013, 0:49
> >
> > People are welcome to send photos too, but please remember to send them
> to
> > d...@sinclairql.com and not to the list. :)
> >
> > BUT... how could it be?! QLers are a youthful and spritely bunch with a
> > sparkle in their eye that belies their years!
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 5:38 PM, John Alexander
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I suspect that many folk who have such devices are maybe long enough in
> > > the tooth not to really see those markings especially after xx years.
> > >
> > > A really nice simple way of getting accurate results is merely to
> > > photograph the board with your compact camera assuming you have a
> decent
> > > Macro. This is a great way of getting all sorts of board information
> > > depending on circumstance..
> > >
> > > Yeah I know it's obvious but I'm sure that it's sooo obvious that many
> an
> > > owner will be cursing over that faded writing :)
> > >
> > > Good luck John A
> > >
> > > --- On Sun, 10/3/13, Francois Lanciault  >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > From: Francois Lanciault 
> > > Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-Users] Data collection on (S)GCs
> > > To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
> > > Date: Sunday, 10 March, 2013, 18:36
> > >
> > > Difficult to read as some of the characters have worn off...
> > >
> > > Looks like:
> > >
> > > EP1810LC-20T
> > > A9119
> > >
> > > Yellow gold card with just the name Gold Card. Not working.
> > >
> > > Will look at my super goldcard eventually.
> > >
> > > F.
> > >
> > > On 2013-03-10, at 13:53, Dave Park wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi everyone,
> > > >
> > > > I was wondering if you could take a minute out of your day to help
> us?
> > > > We're trying to solve a problem by better understanding it. This
> > requires
> > > > that we collect information about what works, to see how big a pool
> of
> > > > components is.
> > > >
> > > > If you have a Gold Card or Super Gold Card, we'd like some
> information
> > > > about it. In particular, we'd like to know the date and model of the
> > > Altera
> > > > chip your card has.
> > > >
> > > > What we already know is that some time in the late 90s, Altera made a
> > > > revision to the chip which made it unsuitable for using in SGCs.
> We're
> > > > trying to work out the complete date range of that chip as used on
> SGCs
> > > so
> > > > we can see how broad the date range is that we

Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-Users] Data collection on (S)GCs

2013-03-13 Thread arnold . clarke 
gold card 2    ep1810lc-20t B9137 and a paper sticker with ingot 6 written on 
it.

Arnold





 From: Dave Park 
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com 
Sent: Tuesday, 12 March 2013, 19:47
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-Users] Data collection on (S)GCs
 
Hi everyone,

Thanks for the great response. Here are the results :)

CHIP DATE ROM

Gold Card 1
EP1810LC-20T C9119
EP1810LC-20T A9119
EP1810LC-20T A9119
EP1810LC-20T A9119

Gold Card 2
EP1810LC-35T C9213 -


Gold Card 3
EP1810LC-25T C9301 2.49


Super Gold Card
EP1810LC-25T C9349 2.49 -
EP1810LC-25T C9401   2.49 -
EP1810LC-25T C9401   2.49 -
EP1810LC-25T C9401   2.49 -
EP1810LC-25T C9401   2.49 -
EP1810LC-25T C9501 2.49 -
EP1810LC-25T C9501   2.49 -

Altera EP1810LC-25T or 20T will work in any type of Gold Card.
Additionally, 35T (slower) parts were used in some Gold Cards.

The cut-off date is C9707. These chips are theoretically reprogrammable,
but do not have an erase window. The EP1810-JI and JC versions are
internally identical but DO have a UV erase window packaging.

Thank you to everyone who contributed. :)

Dave


On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 2:40 PM, John Alexander
wrote:

>
> It's probably the sparkle that's blocking their view of the markings ;)
>
> --- On Mon, 11/3/13, Dave Park  wrote:
>
> From: Dave Park 
> Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-Users] Data collection on (S)GCs
> To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
> Date: Monday, 11 March, 2013, 0:49
>
> People are welcome to send photos too, but please remember to send them to
> d...@sinclairql.com and not to the list. :)
>
> BUT... how could it be?! QLers are a youthful and spritely bunch with a
> sparkle in their eye that belies their years!
>
> Dave
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 5:38 PM, John Alexander
> wrote:
>
> > I suspect that many folk who have such devices are maybe long enough in
> > the tooth not to really see those markings especially after xx years.
> >
> > A really nice simple way of getting accurate results is merely to
> > photograph the board with your compact camera assuming you have a decent
> > Macro. This is a great way of getting all sorts of board information
> > depending on circumstance..
> >
> > Yeah I know it's obvious but I'm sure that it's sooo obvious that many an
> > owner will be cursing over that faded writing :)
> >
> > Good luck John A
> >
> > --- On Sun, 10/3/13, Francois Lanciault 
> > wrote:
> >
> > From: Francois Lanciault 
> > Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-Users] Data collection on (S)GCs
> > To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
> > Date: Sunday, 10 March, 2013, 18:36
> >
> > Difficult to read as some of the characters have worn off...
> >
> > Looks like:
> >
> > EP1810LC-20T
> > A9119
> >
> > Yellow gold card with just the name Gold Card. Not working.
> >
> > Will look at my super goldcard eventually.
> >
> > F.
> >
> > On 2013-03-10, at 13:53, Dave Park wrote:
> >
> > > Hi everyone,
> > >
> > > I was wondering if you could take a minute out of your day to help us?
> > > We're trying to solve a problem by better understanding it. This
> requires
> > > that we collect information about what works, to see how big a pool of
> > > components is.
> > >
> > > If you have a Gold Card or Super Gold Card, we'd like some information
> > > about it. In particular, we'd like to know the date and model of the
> > Altera
> > > chip your card has.
> > >
> > > What we already know is that some time in the late 90s, Altera made a
> > > revision to the chip which made it unsuitable for using in SGCs. We're
> > > trying to work out the complete date range of that chip as used on SGCs
> > so
> > > we can see how broad the date range is that we can buy from.
> > >
> > > Also, we know the Gold Card used some slower versions of the IC, but
> many
> > > also used the faster version, which is suitable for re-use in a Super
> > Gold
> > > Card.
> > >
> > > If you could please just remove your GC/SGC from your system and look
> at
> > > the Altera chip, you will see markings (which may be under a sticker
> > saying
> > > "INGOT #") like this:
> > >
> > > ALTERA
> > > EP1810LC-25T
> > > C9301
> > >
> > > Could you please write these markings down?
> > >
> > > Next, if it's a Gold Card, please turn it over and note if it says Gold
> > > Card, Gold Card Issue 2, or Gold Card 3? Also, could you follow this
> > link: CPU
> > > Toolkit <

Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-Users] Data collection on (S)GCs

2013-03-12 Thread Dave Park 
Hi everyone,

Thanks for the great response. Here are the results :)

CHIP DATE ROM

Gold Card 1
EP1810LC-20T C9119
EP1810LC-20T A9119
EP1810LC-20T A9119
EP1810LC-20T A9119

Gold Card 2
EP1810LC-35T C9213 -


Gold Card 3
EP1810LC-25T C9301 2.49


Super Gold Card
EP1810LC-25T C9349 2.49 -
EP1810LC-25T C9401   2.49 -
EP1810LC-25T C9401   2.49 -
EP1810LC-25T C9401   2.49 -
EP1810LC-25T C9401   2.49 -
EP1810LC-25T C9501 2.49 -
EP1810LC-25T C9501   2.49 -

Altera EP1810LC-25T or 20T will work in any type of Gold Card.
Additionally, 35T (slower) parts were used in some Gold Cards.

The cut-off date is C9707. These chips are theoretically reprogrammable,
but do not have an erase window. The EP1810-JI and JC versions are
internally identical but DO have a UV erase window packaging.

Thank you to everyone who contributed. :)

Dave


On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 2:40 PM, John Alexander
wrote:

>
> It's probably the sparkle that's blocking their view of the markings ;)
>
> --- On Mon, 11/3/13, Dave Park  wrote:
>
> From: Dave Park 
> Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-Users] Data collection on (S)GCs
> To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
> Date: Monday, 11 March, 2013, 0:49
>
> People are welcome to send photos too, but please remember to send them to
> d...@sinclairql.com and not to the list. :)
>
> BUT... how could it be?! QLers are a youthful and spritely bunch with a
> sparkle in their eye that belies their years!
>
> Dave
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 5:38 PM, John Alexander
> wrote:
>
> > I suspect that many folk who have such devices are maybe long enough in
> > the tooth not to really see those markings especially after xx years.
> >
> > A really nice simple way of getting accurate results is merely to
> > photograph the board with your compact camera assuming you have a decent
> > Macro. This is a great way of getting all sorts of board information
> > depending on circumstance..
> >
> > Yeah I know it's obvious but I'm sure that it's sooo obvious that many an
> > owner will be cursing over that faded writing :)
> >
> > Good luck John A
> >
> > --- On Sun, 10/3/13, Francois Lanciault 
> > wrote:
> >
> > From: Francois Lanciault 
> > Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-Users] Data collection on (S)GCs
> > To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
> > Date: Sunday, 10 March, 2013, 18:36
> >
> > Difficult to read as some of the characters have worn off...
> >
> > Looks like:
> >
> > EP1810LC-20T
> > A9119
> >
> > Yellow gold card with just the name Gold Card. Not working.
> >
> > Will look at my super goldcard eventually.
> >
> > F.
> >
> > On 2013-03-10, at 13:53, Dave Park wrote:
> >
> > > Hi everyone,
> > >
> > > I was wondering if you could take a minute out of your day to help us?
> > > We're trying to solve a problem by better understanding it. This
> requires
> > > that we collect information about what works, to see how big a pool of
> > > components is.
> > >
> > > If you have a Gold Card or Super Gold Card, we'd like some information
> > > about it. In particular, we'd like to know the date and model of the
> > Altera
> > > chip your card has.
> > >
> > > What we already know is that some time in the late 90s, Altera made a
> > > revision to the chip which made it unsuitable for using in SGCs. We're
> > > trying to work out the complete date range of that chip as used on SGCs
> > so
> > > we can see how broad the date range is that we can buy from.
> > >
> > > Also, we know the Gold Card used some slower versions of the IC, but
> many
> > > also used the faster version, which is suitable for re-use in a Super
> > Gold
> > > Card.
> > >
> > > If you could please just remove your GC/SGC from your system and look
> at
> > > the Altera chip, you will see markings (which may be under a sticker
> > saying
> > > "INGOT #") like this:
> > >
> > > ALTERA
> > > EP1810LC-25T
> > > C9301
> > >
> > > Could you please write these markings down?
> > >
> > > Next, if it's a Gold Card, please turn it over and note if it says Gold
> > > Card, Gold Card Issue 2, or Gold Card 3? Also, could you follow this
> > link: CPU
> > > Toolkit <http://www.dilwyn.me.uk/tk/cputk.zip> and see if your card
> can
> > run
> > > at 24 MHz?
> > >
> > > If it's a Super Gold Card you do not need to do this.
> > >
> > > If you have the original SAFT 40LF220 re

Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-Users] Data collection on (S)GCs

2013-03-12 Thread John Alexander 

It's probably the sparkle that's blocking their view of the markings ;)

--- On Mon, 11/3/13, Dave Park  wrote:

From: Dave Park 
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-Users] Data collection on (S)GCs
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Monday, 11 March, 2013, 0:49

People are welcome to send photos too, but please remember to send them to
d...@sinclairql.com and not to the list. :)

BUT... how could it be?! QLers are a youthful and spritely bunch with a
sparkle in their eye that belies their years!

Dave


On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 5:38 PM, John Alexander
wrote:

> I suspect that many folk who have such devices are maybe long enough in
> the tooth not to really see those markings especially after xx years.
>
> A really nice simple way of getting accurate results is merely to
> photograph the board with your compact camera assuming you have a decent
> Macro. This is a great way of getting all sorts of board information
> depending on circumstance..
>
> Yeah I know it's obvious but I'm sure that it's sooo obvious that many an
> owner will be cursing over that faded writing :)
>
> Good luck John A
>
> --- On Sun, 10/3/13, Francois Lanciault 
> wrote:
>
> From: Francois Lanciault 
> Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-Users] Data collection on (S)GCs
> To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
> Date: Sunday, 10 March, 2013, 18:36
>
> Difficult to read as some of the characters have worn off...
>
> Looks like:
>
> EP1810LC-20T
> A9119
>
> Yellow gold card with just the name Gold Card. Not working.
>
> Will look at my super goldcard eventually.
>
> F.
>
> On 2013-03-10, at 13:53, Dave Park wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I was wondering if you could take a minute out of your day to help us?
> > We're trying to solve a problem by better understanding it. This requires
> > that we collect information about what works, to see how big a pool of
> > components is.
> >
> > If you have a Gold Card or Super Gold Card, we'd like some information
> > about it. In particular, we'd like to know the date and model of the
> Altera
> > chip your card has.
> >
> > What we already know is that some time in the late 90s, Altera made a
> > revision to the chip which made it unsuitable for using in SGCs. We're
> > trying to work out the complete date range of that chip as used on SGCs
> so
> > we can see how broad the date range is that we can buy from.
> >
> > Also, we know the Gold Card used some slower versions of the IC, but many
> > also used the faster version, which is suitable for re-use in a Super
> Gold
> > Card.
> >
> > If you could please just remove your GC/SGC from your system and look at
> > the Altera chip, you will see markings (which may be under a sticker
> saying
> > "INGOT #") like this:
> >
> > ALTERA
> > EP1810LC-25T
> > C9301
> >
> > Could you please write these markings down?
> >
> > Next, if it's a Gold Card, please turn it over and note if it says Gold
> > Card, Gold Card Issue 2, or Gold Card 3? Also, could you follow this
> link: CPU
> > Toolkit <http://www.dilwyn.me.uk/tk/cputk.zip> and see if your card can
> run
> > at 24 MHz?
> >
> > If it's a Super Gold Card you do not need to do this.
> >
> > If you have the original SAFT 40LF220 red battery on your card, can you
> > please check the date code, which will be in the format YY MM.
> >
> > Finally, there's an EPROM on your card. Could you please write down what
> it
> > says on the label? If you know that this has been changed since the card
> > was made, please could you add a note of that?
> >
> > Next, could you email that information to d...@sinclairql.com please?
> >
> > Now would be a good time to blow away the dust and check all socketed
> chips
> > are seated properly before re-assembling and testing your system :)
> >
> > We will collate the date ranges for each model, and get a much clearer
> > picture of which versions/dates were used in which cards.
> >
> > We will publish the results.
> >
> > Thank you for doing this for us. We really appreciate it.
> > ___
> > QL-Users Mailing List
> > http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
> >
>
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Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-Users] Data collection on (S)GCs

2013-03-10 Thread Dave Park 
People are welcome to send photos too, but please remember to send them to
d...@sinclairql.com and not to the list. :)

BUT... how could it be?! QLers are a youthful and spritely bunch with a
sparkle in their eye that belies their years!

Dave


On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 5:38 PM, John Alexander
wrote:

> I suspect that many folk who have such devices are maybe long enough in
> the tooth not to really see those markings especially after xx years.
>
> A really nice simple way of getting accurate results is merely to
> photograph the board with your compact camera assuming you have a decent
> Macro. This is a great way of getting all sorts of board information
> depending on circumstance..
>
> Yeah I know it's obvious but I'm sure that it's sooo obvious that many an
> owner will be cursing over that faded writing :)
>
> Good luck John A
>
> --- On Sun, 10/3/13, Francois Lanciault 
> wrote:
>
> From: Francois Lanciault 
> Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-Users] Data collection on (S)GCs
> To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
> Date: Sunday, 10 March, 2013, 18:36
>
> Difficult to read as some of the characters have worn off...
>
> Looks like:
>
> EP1810LC-20T
> A9119
>
> Yellow gold card with just the name Gold Card. Not working.
>
> Will look at my super goldcard eventually.
>
> F.
>
> On 2013-03-10, at 13:53, Dave Park wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I was wondering if you could take a minute out of your day to help us?
> > We're trying to solve a problem by better understanding it. This requires
> > that we collect information about what works, to see how big a pool of
> > components is.
> >
> > If you have a Gold Card or Super Gold Card, we'd like some information
> > about it. In particular, we'd like to know the date and model of the
> Altera
> > chip your card has.
> >
> > What we already know is that some time in the late 90s, Altera made a
> > revision to the chip which made it unsuitable for using in SGCs. We're
> > trying to work out the complete date range of that chip as used on SGCs
> so
> > we can see how broad the date range is that we can buy from.
> >
> > Also, we know the Gold Card used some slower versions of the IC, but many
> > also used the faster version, which is suitable for re-use in a Super
> Gold
> > Card.
> >
> > If you could please just remove your GC/SGC from your system and look at
> > the Altera chip, you will see markings (which may be under a sticker
> saying
> > "INGOT #") like this:
> >
> > ALTERA
> > EP1810LC-25T
> > C9301
> >
> > Could you please write these markings down?
> >
> > Next, if it's a Gold Card, please turn it over and note if it says Gold
> > Card, Gold Card Issue 2, or Gold Card 3? Also, could you follow this
> link: CPU
> > Toolkit <http://www.dilwyn.me.uk/tk/cputk.zip> and see if your card can
> run
> > at 24 MHz?
> >
> > If it's a Super Gold Card you do not need to do this.
> >
> > If you have the original SAFT 40LF220 red battery on your card, can you
> > please check the date code, which will be in the format YY MM.
> >
> > Finally, there's an EPROM on your card. Could you please write down what
> it
> > says on the label? If you know that this has been changed since the card
> > was made, please could you add a note of that?
> >
> > Next, could you email that information to d...@sinclairql.com please?
> >
> > Now would be a good time to blow away the dust and check all socketed
> chips
> > are seated properly before re-assembling and testing your system :)
> >
> > We will collate the date ranges for each model, and get a much clearer
> > picture of which versions/dates were used in which cards.
> >
> > We will publish the results.
> >
> > Thank you for doing this for us. We really appreciate it.
> > ___
> > QL-Users Mailing List
> > http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
> >
>
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Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-Users] Data collection on (S)GCs

2013-03-10 Thread John Alexander 
I suspect that many folk who have such devices are maybe long enough in the 
tooth not to really see those markings especially after xx years.

A really nice simple way of getting accurate results is merely to photograph 
the board with your compact camera assuming you have a decent Macro. This is a 
great way of getting all sorts of board information depending on circumstance..

Yeah I know it's obvious but I'm sure that it's sooo obvious that many an owner 
will be cursing over that faded writing :)

Good luck John A

--- On Sun, 10/3/13, Francois Lanciault  wrote:

From: Francois Lanciault 
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-Users] Data collection on (S)GCs
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Sunday, 10 March, 2013, 18:36

Difficult to read as some of the characters have worn off...

Looks like:

EP1810LC-20T
A9119

Yellow gold card with just the name Gold Card. Not working.

Will look at my super goldcard eventually.

F.

On 2013-03-10, at 13:53, Dave Park wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> 
> I was wondering if you could take a minute out of your day to help us?
> We're trying to solve a problem by better understanding it. This requires
> that we collect information about what works, to see how big a pool of
> components is.
> 
> If you have a Gold Card or Super Gold Card, we'd like some information
> about it. In particular, we'd like to know the date and model of the Altera
> chip your card has.
> 
> What we already know is that some time in the late 90s, Altera made a
> revision to the chip which made it unsuitable for using in SGCs. We're
> trying to work out the complete date range of that chip as used on SGCs so
> we can see how broad the date range is that we can buy from.
> 
> Also, we know the Gold Card used some slower versions of the IC, but many
> also used the faster version, which is suitable for re-use in a Super Gold
> Card.
> 
> If you could please just remove your GC/SGC from your system and look at
> the Altera chip, you will see markings (which may be under a sticker saying
> "INGOT #") like this:
> 
> ALTERA
> EP1810LC-25T
> C9301
> 
> Could you please write these markings down?
> 
> Next, if it's a Gold Card, please turn it over and note if it says Gold
> Card, Gold Card Issue 2, or Gold Card 3? Also, could you follow this link: CPU
> Toolkit <http://www.dilwyn.me.uk/tk/cputk.zip> and see if your card can run
> at 24 MHz?
> 
> If it's a Super Gold Card you do not need to do this.
> 
> If you have the original SAFT 40LF220 red battery on your card, can you
> please check the date code, which will be in the format YY MM.
> 
> Finally, there's an EPROM on your card. Could you please write down what it
> says on the label? If you know that this has been changed since the card
> was made, please could you add a note of that?
> 
> Next, could you email that information to d...@sinclairql.com please?
> 
> Now would be a good time to blow away the dust and check all socketed chips
> are seated properly before re-assembling and testing your system :)
> 
> We will collate the date ranges for each model, and get a much clearer
> picture of which versions/dates were used in which cards.
> 
> We will publish the results.
> 
> Thank you for doing this for us. We really appreciate it.
> ___
> QL-Users Mailing List
> http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
> 

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Re: [Ql-Users] [QL-Users] Data collection on (S)GCs

2013-03-10 Thread Francois Lanciault 
Difficult to read as some of the characters have worn off...

Looks like:

EP1810LC-20T
A9119

Yellow gold card with just the name Gold Card. Not working.

Will look at my super goldcard eventually.

F.

On 2013-03-10, at 13:53, Dave Park wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> 
> I was wondering if you could take a minute out of your day to help us?
> We're trying to solve a problem by better understanding it. This requires
> that we collect information about what works, to see how big a pool of
> components is.
> 
> If you have a Gold Card or Super Gold Card, we'd like some information
> about it. In particular, we'd like to know the date and model of the Altera
> chip your card has.
> 
> What we already know is that some time in the late 90s, Altera made a
> revision to the chip which made it unsuitable for using in SGCs. We're
> trying to work out the complete date range of that chip as used on SGCs so
> we can see how broad the date range is that we can buy from.
> 
> Also, we know the Gold Card used some slower versions of the IC, but many
> also used the faster version, which is suitable for re-use in a Super Gold
> Card.
> 
> If you could please just remove your GC/SGC from your system and look at
> the Altera chip, you will see markings (which may be under a sticker saying
> "INGOT #") like this:
> 
> ALTERA
> EP1810LC-25T
> C9301
> 
> Could you please write these markings down?
> 
> Next, if it's a Gold Card, please turn it over and note if it says Gold
> Card, Gold Card Issue 2, or Gold Card 3? Also, could you follow this link: CPU
> Toolkit  and see if your card can run
> at 24 MHz?
> 
> If it's a Super Gold Card you do not need to do this.
> 
> If you have the original SAFT 40LF220 red battery on your card, can you
> please check the date code, which will be in the format YY MM.
> 
> Finally, there's an EPROM on your card. Could you please write down what it
> says on the label? If you know that this has been changed since the card
> was made, please could you add a note of that?
> 
> Next, could you email that information to d...@sinclairql.com please?
> 
> Now would be a good time to blow away the dust and check all socketed chips
> are seated properly before re-assembling and testing your system :)
> 
> We will collate the date ranges for each model, and get a much clearer
> picture of which versions/dates were used in which cards.
> 
> We will publish the results.
> 
> Thank you for doing this for us. We really appreciate it.
> ___
> QL-Users Mailing List
> http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
> 

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