Re: [ql-users] browsers

2004-09-21 Thread Malcolm Cadman
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Phoebus R. Dokos [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes snip Is Phoebus just teasing us when he mentions a dedicated browser for QDOS/SMSQ ? No I am not, Peter announced it awhile ago on this list and I know it works. It is text only granted but works quite well with qlwip Ah

Re: [ql-users] browsers

2004-09-20 Thread gwicks
- Original Message - From: Malcolm Cadman Big knip: Is Phoebus just teasing us when he mentions a dedicated browser for QDOS/SMSQ ? No he is not. Peter Graf has achieved a text only browser and email access using QDOS Classic on a Q60. I have seen some screenshots, but am not

Re: [ql-users] browsers

2004-09-20 Thread Jeremy Taffel
This is obviously big news. Staying totally calm although I was one of those who supported the losing side of the licensing discussion, I don't see the connection between the two. None of the gnu licences should prevent a port onto a closed operating system such as SMSQ/E. After all, much

Re: [ql-users] browsers

2004-09-20 Thread Roy wood
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], gwicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Peter would like to try an implementation on Minerva and even SMSQ-E, but as far as the latter is concerned you know what is coming next. He has achieved his results by porting routines from other systems and in his opinion this would

Re: [ql-users] browsers

2004-09-19 Thread gwicks
Can I thank all the people who have contributed to this thread, especially those who have gone into some technical detail? It allows me to come back to something that was raised in the Wotsup thread, namely the question of why some of us still use Internet Explorer and Outlook Express. As this

Re: [ql-users] browsers

2004-09-18 Thread Robert Newson
David Tubbs wrote: ... It is my wont to take as much as possible out of the C: drive, leaving it as Uncle Bill's sandpit. to remove as many of the changing files to other partitions. Where is the logic of stuffing temp files deep in the static OS material ? On my first PC (486 with DOS/Win 3.1)

Re: [ql-users] browsers

2004-09-18 Thread Witchy
stupid/lazy/told-what-to-do/delete as applicable! Hmmm all of the above? :-D Yup, they just go the easy route 'because it works with IE'. will shut you out. After I circumvented the offending code the system works fine in Opera and faster than the recommended IE too :-) I believe It's

Re: [ql-users] browsers

2004-09-18 Thread Phoebus R. Dokos
On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 19:03:35 +0100, David Tubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip , and especially the absence of DP's EDITOR (Chas Dillon) magic prog, shame it is not totally Pointer Envirnment friendly It is now :-) ___ QL-Users Mailing List

Re: [ql-users] browsers

2004-09-17 Thread Wolfgang Uhlig
'yours truly' is the same thing as 'myself' 'courtesy of' means 'done by' so: It is available in Greek, done by me Thanks Tony, this helped a lot! Wolfgang ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm

Re: [ql-users] browsers

2004-09-17 Thread Tony Firshman
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 at 22:04:51, Wolfgang Uhlig wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Should be no problem for Netscape Navy or Internet Exploder, but what about other browsers I've never used, like Opera, Firebird, etc. Are these as functional as the first two, or more like Mosaic and other early

Re: [ql-users] browsers

2004-09-17 Thread Phoebus R. Dokos
On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 18:42:43 +0100, Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 at 22:04:51, Wolfgang Uhlig wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Should be no problem for Netscape Navy or Internet Exploder, but what about other browsers I've never used, like Opera, Firebird, etc. Are

Re: [ql-users] browsers

2004-09-17 Thread Malcolm Cadman
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes And of course Wolfgang forgot the most important thing about Opera It is available in Welsh I didn't forget it, I didn't know :) This is indeed one of the most important things about Opera, I admit, I only know one thing to

Re: [ql-users] browsers

2004-09-17 Thread Phoebus R. Dokos
On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 19:36:18 +0100, Malcolm Cadman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes And of course Wolfgang forgot the most important thing about Opera It is available in Welsh I didn't forget it, I didn't know :) This is indeed

Re: [ql-users] browsers

2004-09-17 Thread Tony Firshman
On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 at 14:35:10, Phoebus R. Dokos wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) google searching with Opera is even easier. Not only it has a multitude of search engines (plus a multiple one) on the bar but by typing 'g searchtext' (minus the quotes) you get immediate access to google unlike

Re: [ql-users] browsers

2004-09-17 Thread Phoebus R. Dokos
On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 21:32:49 +0100, Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 at 14:35:10, Phoebus R. Dokos wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) google searching with Opera is even easier. Not only it has a multitude of search engines (plus a multiple one) on the bar but by

Re: [ql-users] browsers

2004-09-17 Thread Tony Firshman
On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 at 17:08:35, Phoebus R. Dokos wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 21:32:49 +0100, Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does it give the searched text as clickable when the google results appear - as the Google toolbar does? The google search option in

Re: [ql-users] browsers

2004-09-17 Thread Jeremy Taffel
Phoebus R. Dokos ( . ) wrote: Firefox is 3 times as large as Opera and doesn't include an email client (which is poor indeed as it (Thunderbird) tries to emulate Outlook. I don't understand this statement. I use both, and have just looked at the download files. Opera711j.exe 12865KB.

Re: [ql-users] browsers

2004-09-17 Thread Phoebus R. Dokos
On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 23:06:04 +0200, Jeremy Taffel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Phoebus R. Dokos ( . ) wrote: Firefox is 3 times as large as Opera and doesn't include an email client (which is poor indeed as it (Thunderbird) tries to emulate Outlook. I don't understand this statement. I use

Re: [ql-users] browsers

2004-09-17 Thread Phoebus R. Dokos
On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 19:33:22 -0400, Phoebus R. Dokos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip l... If you do, try the Non Java included download :-) Version 7.54 is a 3.5 Mbyte download and it Ooopss sorry that would be 3.4 Mbytes (it is 100 K smaller than the version 6.2 I was looking at :-) Phoebus

Re: [ql-users] browsers

2004-09-17 Thread Witchy
The trick is the 'j' in the file name. That is the JRE v.2 which is very large and which you will need whether you have Opera, IE OR Mozilla (every flavour). Mostly true, but it depends on what websites you visit. For instance, a company I work at every week doesn't need JRE, but because HP

Re: [ql-users] browsers

2004-09-17 Thread Phoebus R. Dokos
On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 00:56:56 +0100 (BST), Witchy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The trick is the 'j' in the file name. That is the JRE v.2 which is very large and which you will need whether you have Opera, IE OR Mozilla (every flavour). Mostly true, but it depends on what websites you visit. For

Re: [ql-users] browsers

2004-09-17 Thread David Tubbs
MSIE with SP2 is now crippled. It no longer shows file source. Not only does Mozilla cope perfectly with that CSS test, but it displays source in a -much- better way than MISE's notepad. It can wrap lines and does html colouring. Also the address line is a google search box. Brilliant, and I

Re: [ql-users] browsers

2004-09-16 Thread Joachim Van der Auwera
Timothy Swenson wrote: For computer safety (and security) reasons I'm using Opera 100% at home. Supposedly Opera is the browser that is closer to adhering to the HTML standards. It is fully supported and being updated. I believe Mosaic is no longer being updated. I've also heard of

Re: [ql-users] browsers

2004-09-16 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Joachim Van der Auwera wrote: 1. IE 2. Opera 3. Mozilla 4. kHTML The Mozilla browser has an engine called Gecko, with a XUL interface which uses Gecko at its core. Many other browsers like Mozilla, Firefox, Netscape navigator etc use either of these engines for all the rendering.

Re: [ql-users] browsers

2004-09-16 Thread Derek Stewart
Hi, I used to live in Newcastle, UK, do you think that it is available in Geordie... Derek On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 18:24:36 +0200 Wolfgang Uhlig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And of course Wolfgang forgot the most important thing about Opera It is available in Welsh I didn't forget it, I

Re: [ql-users] browsers

2004-09-16 Thread Phoebus R. Dokos
On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 18:24:36 +0200, Wolfgang Uhlig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And of course Wolfgang forgot the most important thing about Opera It is available in Welsh I didn't forget it, I didn't know :) This is indeed one of the most important things about Opera, I admit, I only know one

Re: [ql-users] browsers

2004-09-16 Thread Wolfgang Uhlig
It is also available in Greek courtesy of yours truly Sorry Phoebus, my English is too poor. I've read this sentence 10 times but cannot understand what you mean :-(( Help! Wolfgang ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm

Re: [ql-users] browsers

2004-09-16 Thread Wolfgang Uhlig
do you think that it is available in Geordie... No problem if you find someone from Newcastle to create a Geordie-language file for Opera :-) Wolfgang ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm

Re: [ql-users] browsers

2004-09-16 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Wolfgang Uhlig wrote: It is also available in Greek courtesy of yours truly Sorry Phoebus, my English is too poor. I've read this sentence 10 times but cannot understand what you mean :-(( He hinted that he did the Greek translation. Marcel ___

Re: [ql-users] browsers

2004-09-16 Thread Dilwyn Jones
I used to live in Newcastle, UK, do you think that it is available in Geordie... Derek Someone (might have been Bill Waugh or Darren Branagh) sent me some modified screen shots showing Windoze running in Geordie...won't polute this list with an attachment but anyone want to see it I'm sure I

Re: [ql-users] browsers

2004-09-16 Thread Dilwyn Jones
And of course Wolfgang forgot the most important thing about Opera It is available in Welsh I didn't forget it, I didn't know :) This is indeed one of the most important things about Opera, I admit, I only know one thing to be more important, that is, Opera is also available in

RE: [ql-users] browsers

2004-09-16 Thread Adrian Graham
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dilwyn Jones Sent: 16 September 2004 20:33 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] browsers Someone (might have been Bill Waugh or Darren Branagh) sent me some modified screen shots

Re: [ql-users] browsers

2004-09-16 Thread Tony Firshman
On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 at 21:20:32, Marcel Kilgus wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Wolfgang Uhlig wrote: It is also available in Greek courtesy of yours truly Sorry Phoebus, my English is too poor. I've read this sentence 10 times but cannot understand what you mean :-(( He hinted that he did

Re: [ql-users] browsers

2004-09-15 Thread Wolfgang Uhlig
Should be no problem for Netscape Navy or Internet Exploder, but what about other browsers I've never used, like Opera, Firebird, etc. Are these as functional as the first two, or more like Mosaic and other early browsers? Would these browsers support Java, Frames, style sheets and so on?

Re: [ql-users] browsers

2004-09-15 Thread Wolfgang Uhlig
but don't take IE if you want to see what it is really about ;)) Oh, I forgot to say: don't believe what is said about Opera in the text, because Opera 7.xx behaves well :) Wolfgang ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm

Re: [ql-users] browsers

2004-09-15 Thread Phoebus R. Dokos
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 22:12:14 +0200, Wolfgang Uhlig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but don't take IE if you want to see what it is really about ;)) Oh, I forgot to say: don't believe what is said about Opera in the text, because Opera 7.xx behaves well :) Wolfgang

Re: [ql-users] browsers

2004-09-15 Thread Timothy Swenson
For computer safety (and security) reasons I'm using Opera 100% at home. Supposedly Opera is the browser that is closer to adhering to the HTML standards. It is fully supported and being updated. I believe Mosaic is no longer being updated. I've also heard of Konquerer. On a Slashdot poll