Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: Squirrelmail alternatives? Looking for recs
Thursday, December 6, 2012, 9:35:08 PM, Eric wrote: ES Why wouldn't you use the native mail program on an Ipad? Our staff can only reach their email from within our externally hosted Intranet. A link from there goes through a pass-through authentication proxy (which we run anyway for patron access to subscription databases) to reach our LAN and thence to Squirrelmail. That puts most of the burden of security on the outsourced Intranet rather than on our webmail server. Our firewall blocks outside SMTP and POP access to the Qmail server (as well as HTTP requests heading for anything other than the EZProxy server); incoming mail passes through the firewall to a Barracuda anti-spam device which then passes it off to the Qmail server. So, native mail programs on mobile devices aren't an option. Thus, the need for a solid webmail offering that works reasonably well on mobile devices. Most of our library staff only receive a handful of messages at their work address in a week - mostly shifts available and the occasional HR-related inquiry. Staff can access their mail adequately through webmail; there's no overwhelming *need* for them to have direct POP/IMAP/SMTP access, therefore it's highly unlikely that we'd open up the firewall to give that to them. The situation would most likely change if we were dealing with a high volume of messages per staff member. -- Best regards, Dianamailto:dcal...@essexcountylibrary.ca - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
[qmailtoaster] Re: Squirrelmail alternatives? Looking for recs
On 12/07/2012 08:45 AM, Angus McIntyre wrote:
Eric Shubert wrote:
Why wouldn't you use the native mail program on an Ipad?
I use a native mail program on any mobile device. (K-9 mail on android)
The Apple Mail client will pull stuff only from your top-level inbox.
Not true. It depends on how you have the imap server configured. That's
what bugged me about Courier, and led me to implement dovecot.
Here's a snippet from the toaster.conf dovecot configuration:
namespace {
inbox = yes
location =
prefix =
# prefix = INBOX.
# Use 'prefix = INBOX.' for Courier-IMAP compatible transparent migration.
# This forces all client apps to create subfolders underneath/within
# the inbox instead of adjacent to it. It's not necessary to be that way.
# (shubes thinks this setting is annoying/ridiculous/retarded)
separator = .
type = private
}
You do of course need to subscribe to whatever folders you want on the
client. I don't personally use Apple stuff, but my wife uses Apple Mail
and kids use Ipads with mail. Folders abound outside of the inbox, with
no problems.
I use procmail to sort some kinds of traffic - mailing lists, for example
- into other mailboxes. If I use Apple Mail or Sparrow or whatever, I
can't see those (unless I get fancy by setting up fake users for each
one). So I end up using a webmail client to get at the contents of the
other mailboxes.
I'm not sure about server side filters with Apple Mail. I expect that
you'd simply need to subscribe to the folders though, and it should sync
them up. I do intend to get dovecot's pigeonhole implemented at some
point, which will provide user tailorable server side filtering.
SquirrelMail is OK, but not great for this on iPad, and close to unusable
on smaller form-factor devices. Haven't tried Roundcube.
I think we would probably all agree that SM is ok in a pinch, but
wouldn't want to use it on a regular basis.
That's my reason for wanting a mobile-friendly webmail client. Others may
have other reasons.
I still think you'll be best served by a native mobile mail app.
FWIW though, I've never been happy enough with any web mail app to use
it regularly. I'm looking forward to seeing Roundcube though. Speaking
of which, the initial version of RC was made available with QMT at one
point, but it had some serious security problems so it was pulled. It's
probably time to revisit making it available with QMT. Of course, I
think that QMT shouldn't necessarily offer only one webmail solution.
Webmail's not at all part of the core QMT, so the more the merrier.
QMT will generally work with any IMAP/Pop3 client. Note that with
respect to QMT, webmail is a Client, not a Server. ;)
--
-Eric 'shubes'
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[qmailtoaster] Re: Squirrelmail alternatives? Looking for recs
Could we have some instructions (or link to) for afterlogic? Would someone care to put some content on the wiki regarding this? Thanks! -- -Eric 'shubes' On 12/07/2012 05:33 PM, Carlos Herrera Polo wrote: +1 afterlogic El dic 7, 2012 3:01 p.m., David Bray da...@brayworth.com.au mailto:da...@brayworth.com.au escribió: after logic is my choice - I use the lite - http://www.afterlogic.org/ Its equally as easy as round cube to setup *David Bray* http://www.brayworth.com.au da...@brayworth.com.au mailto:da...@brayworth.com.au /*Done* is better than *Perfect*/ On 7/12/2012 3:24 AM, Diana Calder wrote: Anyone using something other than Squirrelmail for webmail with Qmailtoaster? I'm working my way through researching the options listed in the Wiki but I'd like to get some feedback from someone who's actually using one of the alternative webmail packages. So far, it looks like atmail is gone (the free community version, at least), and AfterLogic lite, eGroupware, Horde, and RoundCube all look like they're worth taking a deeper look at. I'd prefer something that looks a little less dated than Squirrelmail and that has a good mobile interface. Our Intranet is a hosted Noodle instance, so I'm not really interested in extra bells and whistles like calendars and such - just good solid email features like a decent address book (though a nice shared one in addition to personal ones would be nice), the ability to set a vacation response, basic filtering, and allowing individual users to change their password. eGroupware is probably overkill for our needs and even Horde may be a little over the top - but they're also the two nicest looking. I'll be continuing to research but some helpful comments from the Qmailtoaster community would be greatly appreciated. Hoping for some good recommendations, Diana - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: Squirrelmail alternatives? Looking for recs
After seeing the recommendation for roundcube yesterday, I figured I'd give it a try on my otherwise bone stock QMT install that uses squirrelmail. It took about 15 minutes to get it set up and talking to IMAP, SMTP, MySQL and to configure apache. All I can say is WOW. It's worlds better than squirrel in terms of functionality and feel. I've been using squirrel for YEARS now for my personal email and it took me about 30 seconds to make the decision to switch to roundcube for good. The tricky part, at least as far as QMT integration goes, is that it has some specific requirements for PHP modules, some PERL (I think) and it requires a database. That, IMO, makes it a bit too involved to consider it part of a QMT suite. I'm no developer though, so I don't know what's considered complicated these days. On 12/07/2012 01:12, Eric Shubert wrote: I suppose someone might do that, but not worth much effort to make it nice in my mind. I suppose that someone may come up with an html mail app that's mobile friendly one day. In the meantime, I'd be the first to agree that QMT could use a better webmail app. Webmail is far from a core component though, and barely a QMT component at all when you think about it. In fact, I put webmail on an entirely separate host from QMT. I'd like to see a QMT Webmail team formed, who would focus on the webmail aspects of QMT (Squirrelmail, Roundcube, Horde, and perhaps Nginx). Maybe come up with a webmail-toaster set of packages, or some such. Any takers? Thanks. -- -Eric 'shubes' On 12/06/2012 07:38 PM, Kelly Cobean wrote: Using someone else's iPad perhaps? Only reason I can think of. Sent from my iPad On Dec 6, 2012, at 9:35 PM, Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net wrote: Why wouldn't you use the native mail program on an Ipad? I use a native mail program on any mobile device. (K-9 mail on android) -- -Eric 'shubes' On 12/06/2012 06:52 PM, Edwin Casimero wrote: Roundcube sucks on Ipad. Looks good on desktops and laptops. I use both. On Friday, 07 December, 2012 01:50 AM, Sebastian Grewe wrote: PS: when it comes to auto responses and password changes I have not been using Roundcube though. I would love to run it in Roundcube if that would be possible - maybe others have experience with that already? Cheers, Sebastian On 06.12.2012, at 18:44, Sebastian Grewe sebast...@grewe.ca wrote: Hey Diana, I am using RoundCube myself and I am very happy with it. It is exactly what you said: A Webmailer without all the bells and whistles others offer. Installation is easy and straight forward. You can try it out on any LAMP host and point it towards your IMAP/SMTP host to try it out. Or I make a quick account for you to see the UI ;-) Sidenote: I have written an Opscode Chef cookbook for it too. Cheers, Sebastian On 06.12.2012, at 18:24, Diana Calder dcal...@essexcountylibrary.ca wrote: Anyone using something other than Squirrelmail for webmail with Qmailtoaster? I'm working my way through researching the options listed in the Wiki but I'd like to get some feedback from someone who's actually using one of the alternative webmail packages. So far, it looks like atmail is gone (the free community version, at least), and AfterLogic lite, eGroupware, Horde, and RoundCube all look like they're worth taking a deeper look at. I'd prefer something that looks a little less dated than Squirrelmail and that has a good mobile interface. Our Intranet is a hosted Noodle instance, so I'm not really interested in extra bells and whistles like calendars and such - just good solid email features like a decent address book (though a nice shared one in addition to personal ones would be nice), the ability to set a vacation response, basic filtering, and allowing individual users to change their password. eGroupware is probably overkill for our needs and even Horde may be a little over the top - but they're also the two nicest looking. I'll be continuing to research but some helpful comments from the Qmailtoaster community would be greatly appreciated. Hoping for some good recommendations, Diana -- Best regards, Diana mailto:dcal...@essexcountylibrary.ca - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail:
Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: Squirrelmail alternatives? Looking for recs
Eric Shubert wrote: Why wouldn't you use the native mail program on an Ipad? I use a native mail program on any mobile device. (K-9 mail on android) The Apple Mail client will pull stuff only from your top-level inbox. I use procmail to sort some kinds of traffic - mailing lists, for example - into other mailboxes. If I use Apple Mail or Sparrow or whatever, I can't see those (unless I get fancy by setting up fake users for each one). So I end up using a webmail client to get at the contents of the other mailboxes. SquirrelMail is OK, but not great for this on iPad, and close to unusable on smaller form-factor devices. Haven't tried Roundcube. That's my reason for wanting a mobile-friendly webmail client. Others may have other reasons. Angus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
[qmailtoaster] Re: Squirrelmail alternatives? Looking for recs
Why wouldn't you use the native mail program on an Ipad? I use a native mail program on any mobile device. (K-9 mail on android) -- -Eric 'shubes' On 12/06/2012 06:52 PM, Edwin Casimero wrote: Roundcube sucks on Ipad. Looks good on desktops and laptops. I use both. On Friday, 07 December, 2012 01:50 AM, Sebastian Grewe wrote: PS: when it comes to auto responses and password changes I have not been using Roundcube though. I would love to run it in Roundcube if that would be possible - maybe others have experience with that already? Cheers, Sebastian On 06.12.2012, at 18:44, Sebastian Grewe sebast...@grewe.ca wrote: Hey Diana, I am using RoundCube myself and I am very happy with it. It is exactly what you said: A Webmailer without all the bells and whistles others offer. Installation is easy and straight forward. You can try it out on any LAMP host and point it towards your IMAP/SMTP host to try it out. Or I make a quick account for you to see the UI ;-) Sidenote: I have written an Opscode Chef cookbook for it too. Cheers, Sebastian On 06.12.2012, at 18:24, Diana Calder dcal...@essexcountylibrary.ca wrote: Anyone using something other than Squirrelmail for webmail with Qmailtoaster? I'm working my way through researching the options listed in the Wiki but I'd like to get some feedback from someone who's actually using one of the alternative webmail packages. So far, it looks like atmail is gone (the free community version, at least), and AfterLogic lite, eGroupware, Horde, and RoundCube all look like they're worth taking a deeper look at. I'd prefer something that looks a little less dated than Squirrelmail and that has a good mobile interface. Our Intranet is a hosted Noodle instance, so I'm not really interested in extra bells and whistles like calendars and such - just good solid email features like a decent address book (though a nice shared one in addition to personal ones would be nice), the ability to set a vacation response, basic filtering, and allowing individual users to change their password. eGroupware is probably overkill for our needs and even Horde may be a little over the top - but they're also the two nicest looking. I'll be continuing to research but some helpful comments from the Qmailtoaster community would be greatly appreciated. Hoping for some good recommendations, Diana -- Best regards, Diana mailto:dcal...@essexcountylibrary.ca - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: Squirrelmail alternatives? Looking for recs
Using someone else's iPad perhaps? Only reason I can think of. Sent from my iPad On Dec 6, 2012, at 9:35 PM, Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net wrote: Why wouldn't you use the native mail program on an Ipad? I use a native mail program on any mobile device. (K-9 mail on android) -- -Eric 'shubes' On 12/06/2012 06:52 PM, Edwin Casimero wrote: Roundcube sucks on Ipad. Looks good on desktops and laptops. I use both. On Friday, 07 December, 2012 01:50 AM, Sebastian Grewe wrote: PS: when it comes to auto responses and password changes I have not been using Roundcube though. I would love to run it in Roundcube if that would be possible - maybe others have experience with that already? Cheers, Sebastian On 06.12.2012, at 18:44, Sebastian Grewe sebast...@grewe.ca wrote: Hey Diana, I am using RoundCube myself and I am very happy with it. It is exactly what you said: A Webmailer without all the bells and whistles others offer. Installation is easy and straight forward. You can try it out on any LAMP host and point it towards your IMAP/SMTP host to try it out. Or I make a quick account for you to see the UI ;-) Sidenote: I have written an Opscode Chef cookbook for it too. Cheers, Sebastian On 06.12.2012, at 18:24, Diana Calder dcal...@essexcountylibrary.ca wrote: Anyone using something other than Squirrelmail for webmail with Qmailtoaster? I'm working my way through researching the options listed in the Wiki but I'd like to get some feedback from someone who's actually using one of the alternative webmail packages. So far, it looks like atmail is gone (the free community version, at least), and AfterLogic lite, eGroupware, Horde, and RoundCube all look like they're worth taking a deeper look at. I'd prefer something that looks a little less dated than Squirrelmail and that has a good mobile interface. Our Intranet is a hosted Noodle instance, so I'm not really interested in extra bells and whistles like calendars and such - just good solid email features like a decent address book (though a nice shared one in addition to personal ones would be nice), the ability to set a vacation response, basic filtering, and allowing individual users to change their password. eGroupware is probably overkill for our needs and even Horde may be a little over the top - but they're also the two nicest looking. I'll be continuing to research but some helpful comments from the Qmailtoaster community would be greatly appreciated. Hoping for some good recommendations, Diana -- Best regards, Diana mailto:dcal...@essexcountylibrary.ca - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
[qmailtoaster] Re: Squirrelmail alternatives? Looking for recs
I suppose someone might do that, but not worth much effort to make it nice in my mind. I suppose that someone may come up with an html mail app that's mobile friendly one day. In the meantime, I'd be the first to agree that QMT could use a better webmail app. Webmail is far from a core component though, and barely a QMT component at all when you think about it. In fact, I put webmail on an entirely separate host from QMT. I'd like to see a QMT Webmail team formed, who would focus on the webmail aspects of QMT (Squirrelmail, Roundcube, Horde, and perhaps Nginx). Maybe come up with a webmail-toaster set of packages, or some such. Any takers? Thanks. -- -Eric 'shubes' On 12/06/2012 07:38 PM, Kelly Cobean wrote: Using someone else's iPad perhaps? Only reason I can think of. Sent from my iPad On Dec 6, 2012, at 9:35 PM, Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net wrote: Why wouldn't you use the native mail program on an Ipad? I use a native mail program on any mobile device. (K-9 mail on android) -- -Eric 'shubes' On 12/06/2012 06:52 PM, Edwin Casimero wrote: Roundcube sucks on Ipad. Looks good on desktops and laptops. I use both. On Friday, 07 December, 2012 01:50 AM, Sebastian Grewe wrote: PS: when it comes to auto responses and password changes I have not been using Roundcube though. I would love to run it in Roundcube if that would be possible - maybe others have experience with that already? Cheers, Sebastian On 06.12.2012, at 18:44, Sebastian Grewe sebast...@grewe.ca wrote: Hey Diana, I am using RoundCube myself and I am very happy with it. It is exactly what you said: A Webmailer without all the bells and whistles others offer. Installation is easy and straight forward. You can try it out on any LAMP host and point it towards your IMAP/SMTP host to try it out. Or I make a quick account for you to see the UI ;-) Sidenote: I have written an Opscode Chef cookbook for it too. Cheers, Sebastian On 06.12.2012, at 18:24, Diana Calder dcal...@essexcountylibrary.ca wrote: Anyone using something other than Squirrelmail for webmail with Qmailtoaster? I'm working my way through researching the options listed in the Wiki but I'd like to get some feedback from someone who's actually using one of the alternative webmail packages. So far, it looks like atmail is gone (the free community version, at least), and AfterLogic lite, eGroupware, Horde, and RoundCube all look like they're worth taking a deeper look at. I'd prefer something that looks a little less dated than Squirrelmail and that has a good mobile interface. Our Intranet is a hosted Noodle instance, so I'm not really interested in extra bells and whistles like calendars and such - just good solid email features like a decent address book (though a nice shared one in addition to personal ones would be nice), the ability to set a vacation response, basic filtering, and allowing individual users to change their password. eGroupware is probably overkill for our needs and even Horde may be a little over the top - but they're also the two nicest looking. I'll be continuing to research but some helpful comments from the Qmailtoaster community would be greatly appreciated. Hoping for some good recommendations, Diana -- Best regards, Diana mailto:dcal...@essexcountylibrary.ca - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
