Re: [qmailtoaster] Future of qmailtoaster on CentOS?

[Chris]

I used to run this, but I moved to qmailtoaster as Matt got more Linus-like
in his interactions with users.

On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 6:05 AM Remo Mattei  wrote:

> here is one that I had on my watch list in git
>
> https://github.com/msimerson/Mail-Toaster-6
>
>
>
> On Dec 11, 2020, at 8:36 AM, Tahnan Al Anas  wrote:
>
> Hi Eric,
>
> I am not sure what this thread is about, but I heard FreeBSD, have you
> checked https://www.xfiles.dk/guide-on-how-to-install-qmail-on-freebsd/?
> I once used that and it did work. And the guy is also my friend.
>
>
> --
> --
>
> Best Regards
> Muhammad Tahnan Al Anas
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 10:24 PM Eric Broch 
> wrote:
>
>> And, some humor...
>>
>> https://centos.rip
>>
>>
>> On 12/11/2020 6:52 AM, Eric Broch wrote:
>>
>> This looks like good news: https://github.com/rocky-linux
>>
>> On another note: IBM bought/acquired
>> 
>> Red Hat.
>>
>>
>> On 12/10/2020 8:35 AM, Eric Broch wrote:
>>
>>
>> *Fellow QMT enthusiasts: *
>>
>> *I became concerned about the future of CentOS a week or so ago *
>> * (not a premonition just my natural paranoia) prior to their
>> announcement two days back and visited centos.org  to
>> relieve my fears. I was confident at that point that having gotten
>> QMT/CentOS 8 ready I was good to go for ~10 years. My confidence MAY have
>> been hasty. I'm still not sure what drawbacks 'stream' is going to bring,
>> if any, and like Angus am apprehensive. It's supposed to be an intermediate
>> environment between Fedora and RHEL. In my opinion, to release CentOS 8 and
>> then move it from downstream to upstream after people have already migrated
>> is short-sighted at the very least, and its name Community Enterprise OS
>> (8) is now a misnomer. Living in somewhat of a cocoon, I was completely
>> unaware that RH "joined" CentOS. I've heard some say that we've been
>> freeloading off CentOS for years and now it's time to pay up. Never mind
>> that a free kernel is used and we actually test the software and report
>> bugs. That said, I have REALLY enjoyed using CentOS since the beginning. *
>>
>>
>> *That said, having a look at the old spec files from *-toaster
>> designation days when we built the QMT for specific platforms, Fedora, was
>> among them along with Suse, Mandrake, so, at the beginning QMT was used in
>> a non-Enterprise environment. Anyway... *
>>
>>
>> *Personally, I'm interested in both Debian and FreeBSD and would like to
>> go back halfway to multi-platform builds while keeping the current
>> QMT/CentOS 8 offering. This would mitigate the problems, if there are any,
>> we are seeing now (hopefully). I guess it just depends on when (or if) the
>> mega-corps buy up all of the Linux distributions and hang us all out to
>> dry. Given the Felliniesque nature of the world today nothing would
>> surprise me anymore. *
>>
>> *One advantage of having a ports like mail server is the ability, if one
>> is inclined to dig a little beyond binary installs, to make changes on the
>> fly without having to wait for packages from the repo.*
>>
>> *I've tried to install FreeBSD, although somewhat half-heartedly, on
>> Proxmox serveral times with no success. If anyone has any hints I'm all
>> ears...just my 2 cents.*
>>
>>
>> *So, if anyone is working on installing QMT on another platform please
>> keep us apprised of your successes. If you feel like writing it up, I'll
>> post it to the web site. *
>>
>>
>> *I'll be looking into converting to *.deb packages (like rpm's, binary
>> ease of install) in some way (I tried using alien...on the website) which
>> can be used on Ubuntu and Debian Linux. Back to work for me... *
>>
>>
>> *Eric B. *
>> On 12/9/2020 7:31 PM, Tony White wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>   Anyone interested in BSD either Free or Open?
>> I am starting to work on building a FreeBSD version
>> of this for myself. Would like to know if anyone
>> else is interested.
>>
>> best wishes
>>   Tony White
>>
>> On 10/12/20 6:49 am, Unai Rodriguez wrote:
>>
>> Debian!
>>
>> -- unai
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2020, at 8:20 PM, Boheme wrote:
>>
>> I’ve been meaning to learn to compile all the source for Ubuntu for a
>> while. This may be the kick in the pants I needed.
>>
>> -Sent from my Pip-Boy 3000
>>
>> On 10/12/2020, at 12:50 AM, Angus McIntyre 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone have any thoughts on the likely future of qmailtoaster given
>> the new plans for CentOS?
>>
>> (See https://centos.org/distro-faq/ for more details)
>>
>> I'd never actually heard of CentOS Stream before today, but having just
>> painfully built a working toaster on top of CentOS 8, I'm a little
>> apprehensive about the impact of the proposed changes.
>>
>> Comments?
>>
>> Angus
>>
>>
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Re: [qmailtoaster] Future of qmailtoaster on CentOS?

[Chris]

You can build nearly anything you want and deploy to AWS.  I use VMWare on
my mac, build my own local VMs, export to OVA, and convert to AMI.  Not
point-and-click but certainly do-able.  I had to build my own CentOS 8 AMI
because CentOS didn't have an official one, and I didn't trust any of the
janky ones in the public catalog.



On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 4:11 AM Jeff Koch 
wrote:

> We have a similar situation with AWS.   Jeff
>
> On 12/11/2020 9:45 AM, Gary Bowling wrote:
>
>
> One issue I have is that my toaster is hosted on a virtual machine at
> Linode. Others may use virtual solutions as well.
>
>
> These services offer virtual machines of several popular flavors, but you
> have to use whatever they offer. Linode offers servers in Centos, Alpine,
> Arch, Debian, Fedora, Gentoo, Slackware, Ubuntu, and OpenSUSE. To use their
> service, you choose a platform/OS and specs. It's built for you in their
> data center, then you log in and configure/install what you want.
>
>
> So for Linode there is no Rocky-linux or FreeBSD. Not to say that Rocky
> won't be supported in the future. If it takes hold and many of the CentOS
> customers move that direction, I'm sure it will.
>
>
> It's just something to keep in mind and consider as this is moved forward.
>
>
> gary
>
>
> On 12/11/2020 8:52 AM, Eric Broch wrote:
>
> This looks like good news: https://github.com/rocky-linux
>
> On another note: IBM bought/acquired
> 
> Red Hat.
>
>
> On 12/10/2020 8:35 AM, Eric Broch wrote:
>
>
> *Fellow QMT enthusiasts: *
>
> *I became concerned about the future of CentOS a week or so ago *
> * (not a premonition just my natural paranoia) prior to their announcement
> two days back and visited centos.org  to relieve my
> fears. I was confident at that point that having gotten QMT/CentOS 8 ready
> I was good to go for ~10 years. My confidence MAY have been hasty. I'm
> still not sure what drawbacks 'stream' is going to bring, if any, and like
> Angus am apprehensive. It's supposed to be an intermediate environment
> between Fedora and RHEL. In my opinion, to release CentOS 8 and then move
> it from downstream to upstream after people have already migrated is
> short-sighted at the very least, and its name Community Enterprise OS (8)
> is now a misnomer. Living in somewhat of a cocoon, I was completely unaware
> that RH "joined" CentOS. I've heard some say that we've been freeloading
> off CentOS for years and now it's time to pay up. Never mind that a free
> kernel is used and we actually test the software and report bugs. That
> said, I have REALLY enjoyed using CentOS since the beginning. *
>
>
> *That said, having a look at the old spec files from *-toaster designation
> days when we built the QMT for specific platforms, Fedora, was among them
> along with Suse, Mandrake, so, at the beginning QMT was used in a
> non-Enterprise environment. Anyway... *
>
>
> *Personally, I'm interested in both Debian and FreeBSD and would like to
> go back halfway to multi-platform builds while keeping the current
> QMT/CentOS 8 offering. This would mitigate the problems, if there are any,
> we are seeing now (hopefully). I guess it just depends on when (or if) the
> mega-corps buy up all of the Linux distributions and hang us all out to
> dry. Given the Felliniesque nature of the world today nothing would
> surprise me anymore. *
>
> *One advantage of having a ports like mail server is the ability, if one
> is inclined to dig a little beyond binary installs, to make changes on the
> fly without having to wait for packages from the repo.*
>
> *I've tried to install FreeBSD, although somewhat half-heartedly, on
> Proxmox serveral times with no success. If anyone has any hints I'm all
> ears...just my 2 cents.*
>
>
> *So, if anyone is working on installing QMT on another platform please
> keep us apprised of your successes. If you feel like writing it up, I'll
> post it to the web site. *
>
>
> *I'll be looking into converting to *.deb packages (like rpm's, binary
> ease of install) in some way (I tried using alien...on the website) which
> can be used on Ubuntu and Debian Linux. Back to work for me... *
>
>
> *Eric B. *
> On 12/9/2020 7:31 PM, Tony White wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>   Anyone interested in BSD either Free or Open?
> I am starting to work on building a FreeBSD version
> of this for myself. Would like to know if anyone
> else is interested.
>
> best wishes
>   Tony White
>
> On 10/12/20 6:49 am, Unai Rodriguez wrote:
>
> Debian!
>
> -- unai
>
> On Wed, Dec 9, 2020, at 8:20 PM, Boheme wrote:
>
> I’ve been meaning to learn to compile all the source for Ubuntu for a
> while. This may be the kick in the pants I needed.
>
> -Sent from my Pip-Boy 3000
>
> On 10/12/2020, at 12:50 AM, Angus McIntyre 
>  wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any thoughts on the likely future of qmailtoaster given
> the new 

Re: [qmailtoaster] Future of qmailtoaster on CentOS?

[Eric Broch]

One system I'd not thought of is openSUSE...RPM based and all. I'll give 
that a try.


FWIW, CentOS 5 (last *-toaster designation) supported QMT Fedora installs.

I think people are wondering if CentOS is going away altogether.


On 12/11/2020 1:13 PM, CarlC Internet Services Service Desk wrote:

I would like to understand something, and I maybe I just don't see the issue(s) yet... I 
swapped two Centos 8 systems over to "stream", and for now, they seem good. If 
Centos 8 stream is going to be 1/2 RHEL and 1/2 Fedora Core, could that be a good thing? 
I understand running production systems, so is it possible this could work out running on 
Centos 8 stream? Or in a year, does all hell break loose and Centos 8 becomes as reliable 
as Microsoft ME?


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RE: [qmailtoaster] Future of qmailtoaster on CentOS?

[CarlC Internet Services Service Desk]

That's why I went in business for myself... Except I don't really advertise, I 
pick who I want for clients. This way, I can setup ANY type of VM I want, with 
ANY Linux distro I want to support. And as to going out of business in 3 days, 
that's the old tactic of "I got your money, now what ya gonna do...". And yes, 
I usually provide a similar system to Linode/Digital Ocean/Vultr for similar 
pricing, I just don't have a fancy control panel to play with the VM 100 ways 
to Tuesday. Also, I've been in hosting since 1999... and a Qmail addict since 
then.

This is also why I don't mind if QMAILtoaster moves to FreeBSD or similar. I 
would put a vote in for FreeBSD as that's what pfSense runs on, and it's been 
very successful on that platform. But, I will gladly bow to which ever 
direction Eric thinks is best [And Eric, if we have to change out the 
QMT-Server to another Distro, I'm ready when you are :) ].

I would like to understand something, and I maybe I just don't see the issue(s) 
yet... I swapped two Centos 8 systems over to "stream", and for now, they seem 
good. If Centos 8 stream is going to be 1/2 RHEL and 1/2 Fedora Core, could 
that be a good thing? I understand running production systems, so is it 
possible this could work out running on Centos 8 stream? Or in a year, does all 
hell break loose and Centos 8 becomes as reliable as Microsoft ME?

Carl



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Re: [qmailtoaster] Future of qmailtoaster on CentOS?

[Jaime Lerner]

Have to agree with this! Mine is on a Digital Ocean droplet. :)  No problems 
whatsoever.

 

From: Gary Bowling 
Organization: GBCO
Reply-To: 
Date: Friday, December 11, 2020 at 10:16 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] Future of qmailtoaster on CentOS?

 

 

Yes, they give you an OS, with the amount of MEM/disk/processors/etc that you 
configure and purchase. Once you get that, you can log in with SSH and set up 
anything you like. There is also a console app from your account in case you 
have trouble getting in via SSH.

 

It's really a nice service and I've been very happy with it. Since your machine 
sits on top of a big architecture you never have to worry about hardware 
failures, hardware upgrades, etc. You can add storage, RAM, processors, etc to 
an existing machine at any time.

 

I was skeptical at first of running email on a virtual, but I've been using 
mine for about 3 years now and it's really been a good service. I would never 
go back to a real machine, all the hardware headaches are gone.

 

gary

 

 

On 12/11/2020 10:01 AM, Eric Broch wrote:

Do they allow you to control the repos from which you update? If so there 
should not be problem if Rocky is done by then.

On 12/11/2020 7:45 AM, Gary Bowling wrote:

 

One issue I have is that my toaster is hosted on a virtual machine at Linode. 
Others may use virtual solutions as well. 

 

These services offer virtual machines of several popular flavors, but you have 
to use whatever they offer. Linode offers servers in Centos, Alpine, Arch, 
Debian, Fedora, Gentoo, Slackware, Ubuntu, and OpenSUSE. To use their service, 
you choose a platform/OS and specs. It's built for you in their data center, 
then you log in and configure/install what you want.

 

So for Linode there is no Rocky-linux or FreeBSD. Not to say that Rocky won't 
be supported in the future. If it takes hold and many of the CentOS customers 
move that direction, I'm sure it will. 

 

It's just something to keep in mind and consider as this is moved forward.

 

gary

 

On 12/11/2020 8:52 AM, Eric Broch wrote:

This looks like good news: https://github.com/rocky-linux

On another note: IBM bought/acquired Red Hat.

 

On 12/10/2020 8:35 AM, Eric Broch wrote:

Fellow QMT enthusiasts:

I became concerned about the future of CentOS a week or so ago (not a 
premonition just my natural paranoia) prior to their announcement two days back 
and visited centos.org to relieve my fears. I was confident at that point that 
having gotten QMT/CentOS 8 ready I was good to go for ~10 years. My confidence 
MAY have been hasty. I'm still not sure what drawbacks 'stream' is going to 
bring, if any, and like Angus am apprehensive. It's supposed to be an 
intermediate environment between Fedora and RHEL. In my opinion, to release 
CentOS 8 and then move it from downstream to upstream after people have already 
migrated is short-sighted at the very least, and its name Community Enterprise 
OS (8) is now a misnomer. Living in somewhat of a cocoon, I was completely 
unaware that RH "joined" CentOS. I've heard some say that we've been 
freeloading off CentOS for years and now it's time to pay up. Never mind that a 
free kernel is used and we actually test the software and report bugs. That 
said, I have REALLY enjoyed using CentOS since the beginning. 

That said, having a look at the old spec files from *-toaster designation days 
when we built the QMT for specific platforms, Fedora, was among them along with 
Suse, Mandrake, so, at the beginning QMT was used in a non-Enterprise 
environment. Anyway...

Personally, I'm interested in both Debian and FreeBSD and would like to go back 
halfway to multi-platform builds while keeping the current QMT/CentOS 8 
offering. This would mitigate the problems, if there are any, we are seeing now 
(hopefully). I guess it just depends on when (or if) the mega-corps buy up all 
of the Linux distributions and hang us all out to dry. Given the Felliniesque 
nature of the world today nothing would surprise me anymore.

One advantage of having a ports like mail server is the ability, if one is 
inclined to dig a little beyond binary installs, to make changes on the fly 
without having to wait for packages from the repo.

I've tried to install FreeBSD, although somewhat half-heartedly, on Proxmox 
serveral times with no success. If anyone has any hints I'm all ears...just my 
2 cents.

So, if anyone is working on installing QMT on another platform please keep us 
apprised of your successes. If you feel like writing it up, I'll post it to the 
web site.

I'll be looking into converting to *.deb packages (like rpm's, binary ease of 
install) in some way (I tried using alien...on the website) which can be used 
on Ubuntu and Debian Linux. Back to work for me...

Eric B.

On 12/9/2020 7:31 PM, Tony White wrote:

Hi all, 
  Anyone interested in BSD either Free or Open? 
I am starting to work on building a FreeBSD version 
of this for myself. Would li

Re: [qmailtoaster] Future of qmailtoaster on CentOS?

[Angus McIntyre]

Ditto. $20 for a basic server, $5 for backup.

I might have chosen a smaller server (I don't have as many users as 
Gary) but someone here observed -- and I have found -- that ClamAV tends 
to crash periodically if you have less than about 4GB. The 4GB Linode is 
therefore probably the minimum practical size for qmailtoaster.


I've (so far) found Linode to be very solid and professional. Digital 
Ocean is another good one, with prices very similar to Linode's. (In my 
brief experimentation with DO, I felt Digital Ocean offered a slightly 
more polished experience, but Linode _just_ edged them out in 
price/performance. It's really a coin-flip, though). Vultr is another 
similar service.


I think you can't go far wrong with Linode or Digital Ocean, but I'd 
stay away from the really cheap VM hosting services that are springing 
up like mushrooms all over the place. I rented some very cheap VMs for 
experimentation from several different hosting companies and all the 
hosting companies went out of business within three days of each other: 
either they were all alternate identities for the same business, or they 
were all resellers of one larger company that got hit by an increase in 
the CPanel license fee.


Angus



Gary Bowling wrote on 12/11/20 12:13 PM:


I'm almost embarrassed to say that I'm running mine on a $25/month 
server. I have about 1000 users over 7 domains.



Here's a price list from Linode, but you can also customize it.


https://www.linode.com/pricing/


gary


On 12/11/2020 10:21 AM, Eric Broch wrote:


What's the cost?

On 12/11/2020 8:14 AM, Gary Bowling wrote:



Yes, they give you an OS, with the amount of MEM/disk/processors/etc 
that you configure and purchase. Once you get that, you can log in 
with SSH and set up anything you like. There is also a console app 
from your account in case you have trouble getting in via SSH.



It's really a nice service and I've been very happy with it. Since 
your machine sits on top of a big architecture you never have to 
worry about hardware failures, hardware upgrades, etc. You can add 
storage, RAM, processors, etc to an existing machine at any time.



I was skeptical at first of running email on a virtual, but I've 
been using mine for about 3 years now and it's really been a good 
service. I would never go back to a real machine, all the hardware 
headaches are gone.



gary



On 12/11/2020 10:01 AM, Eric Broch wrote:


Do they allow you to control the repos from which you update? If so 
there should not be problem if Rocky is done by then.


On 12/11/2020 7:45 AM, Gary Bowling wrote:



One issue I have is that my toaster is hosted on a virtual machine 
at Linode. Others may use virtual solutions as well.



These services offer virtual machines of several popular flavors, 
but you have to use whatever they offer. Linode offers servers in 
Centos, Alpine, Arch, Debian, Fedora, Gentoo, Slackware, Ubuntu, 
and OpenSUSE. To use their service, you choose a platform/OS and 
specs. It's built for you in their data center, then you log in 
and configure/install what you want.



So for Linode there is no Rocky-linux or FreeBSD. Not to say that 
Rocky won't be supported in the future. If it takes hold and many 
of the CentOS customers move that direction, I'm sure it will.



It's just something to keep in mind and consider as this is moved 
forward.



gary


On 12/11/2020 8:52 AM, Eric Broch wrote:


This looks like good news: https://github.com/rocky-linux

On another note: IBM bought/acquired 
 
Red Hat.



On 12/10/2020 8:35 AM, Eric Broch wrote:


/Fellow QMT enthusiasts:
/

/I became concerned about the future of CentOS a week or so ago 
///(not a premonition just my natural paranoia) /prior to their 
announcement two days back and visited centos.org to relieve my 
fears. I was confident at that point that having gotten 
QMT/CentOS 8 ready I was good to go for ~10 years. My confidence 
MAY have been hasty. I'm still not sure what drawbacks 'stream' 
is going to bring, if any, and like Angus am apprehensive. It's 
supposed to be an intermediate environment between Fedora and 
RHEL. In my opinion, to release CentOS 8 and then move it from 
downstream to upstream after people have already migrated is 
short-sighted at the very least, and its name Community 
Enterprise OS (8) is now a misnomer. Living in somewhat of a 
cocoon, I was completely unaware that RH "joined" CentOS. I've 
heard some say that we've been freeloading off CentOS for years 
and now it's time to pay up. Never mind that a free kernel is 
used and we actually test the software and report bugs. That 
said, I have REALLY enjoyed using CentOS since the beginning.

/

/That said, having a look at the old spec files from *-toaster 
designation days when we built the QMT for specific platforms, 
Fedora, was among them along with Suse, Mandrake, 

Re: [qmailtoaster] Future of qmailtoaster on CentOS?

[Gary Bowling]

  
  


I'm almost embarrassed to say that I'm running mine on a
  $25/month server. I have about 1000 users over 7 domains. 



Here's a price list from Linode, but you can also customize it.


https://www.linode.com/pricing/


gary



On 12/11/2020 10:21 AM, Eric Broch
  wrote:


  
  What's the cost?
  
  On 12/11/2020 8:14 AM, Gary Bowling
wrote:
  
  



Yes, they give you an OS, with the amount of
  MEM/disk/processors/etc that you configure and purchase. Once
  you get that, you can log in with SSH and set up anything you
  like. There is also a console app from your account in case
  you have trouble getting in via SSH.



It's really a nice service and I've been very happy with it.
  Since your machine sits on top of a big architecture you never
  have to worry about hardware failures, hardware upgrades, etc.
  You can add storage, RAM, processors, etc to an existing
  machine at any time.


I was skeptical at first of running email on a virtual, but
  I've been using mine for about 3 years now and it's really
  been a good service. I would never go back to a real machine,
  all the hardware headaches are gone.



gary





On 12/11/2020 10:01 AM, Eric Broch
  wrote:


  
  Do they allow you to control the repos from which you
update? If so there should not be problem if Rocky is done
by then.
  
  On 12/11/2020 7:45 AM, Gary
Bowling wrote:
  
  



One issue I have is that my toaster is hosted on a
  virtual machine at Linode. Others may use virtual
  solutions as well. 



These services offer virtual machines of several popular
  flavors, but you have to use whatever they offer. Linode
  offers servers in Centos, Alpine, Arch, Debian, Fedora,
  Gentoo, Slackware, Ubuntu, and OpenSUSE. To use their
  service, you choose a platform/OS and specs. It's built
  for you in their data center, then you log in and
  configure/install what you want.



So for Linode there is no Rocky-linux or FreeBSD. Not to
  say that Rocky won't be supported in the future. If it
  takes hold and many of the CentOS customers move that
  direction, I'm sure it will. 



It's just something to keep in mind and consider as this
  is moved forward.


gary



On 12/11/2020 8:52 AM, Eric
  Broch wrote:


  
  This looks like good news: https://github.com/rocky-linux
  On another note: IBM bought/acquired
Red Hat.
  
  
  On 12/10/2020 8:35 AM, Eric
Broch wrote:
  
  

Fellow QMT enthusiasts:
  
I became concerned about the future of CentOS a
week or so ago  (not a premonition just
  my natural paranoia) prior to their
announcement two days back and visited centos.org to
relieve my fears. I was confident at that point that
having gotten QMT/CentOS 8 ready I was good to go
for ~10 years. My confidence MAY have been hasty.
I'm still not sure what drawbacks 'stream' is going
to bring, if any, and like Angus am apprehensive.
It's supposed to be an intermediate environment
between Fedora and RHEL. In my opinion, to release
CentOS 8 and then move it from downstream to
upstream after people have already migrated is
short-sighted at the very least, and its name
Community Enterprise OS (8) is now a misnomer.
Living in somewhat of a cocoon, I was completely
unaware that RH "joined" CentOS. I've heard some say
that we've been freeloading off CentOS for years and
now it's time to pay up. Never mind that a free
kernel is used and we actually test the software and
report bugs. That said, I have REALLY enjoyed using

Re: [qmailtoaster] Future of qmailtoaster on CentOS?

[Remo Mattei]

here is one that I had on my watch list in git

https://github.com/msimerson/Mail-Toaster-6 




> On Dec 11, 2020, at 8:36 AM, Tahnan Al Anas  wrote:
> 
> Hi Eric,
> 
> I am not sure what this thread is about, but I heard FreeBSD, have you 
> checked https://www.xfiles.dk/guide-on-how-to-install-qmail-on-freebsd/ 
> ? I once 
> used that and it did work. And the guy is also my friend. 
> 
> 
> --
> --
> 
> Best Regards
> Muhammad Tahnan Al Anas
> 
> 
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 10:24 PM Eric Broch  > wrote:
> And, some humor...
> 
> https://centos.rip 
> 
> On 12/11/2020 6:52 AM, Eric Broch wrote:
>> This looks like good news: https://github.com/rocky-linux 
>> 
>> On another note: IBM bought/acquired 
>> 
>>  Red Hat.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 12/10/2020 8:35 AM, Eric Broch wrote:
>>> Fellow QMT enthusiasts:
>>> 
>>> I became concerned about the future of CentOS a week or so ago (not a 
>>> premonition just my natural paranoia) prior to their announcement two days 
>>> back and visited centos.org  to relieve my fears. I was 
>>> confident at that point that having gotten QMT/CentOS 8 ready I was good to 
>>> go for ~10 years. My confidence MAY have been hasty. I'm still not sure 
>>> what drawbacks 'stream' is going to bring, if any, and like Angus am 
>>> apprehensive. It's supposed to be an intermediate environment between 
>>> Fedora and RHEL. In my opinion, to release CentOS 8 and then move it from 
>>> downstream to upstream after people have already migrated is short-sighted 
>>> at the very least, and its name Community Enterprise OS (8) is now a 
>>> misnomer. Living in somewhat of a cocoon, I was completely unaware that RH 
>>> "joined" CentOS. I've heard some say that we've been freeloading off CentOS 
>>> for years and now it's time to pay up. Never mind that a free kernel is 
>>> used and we actually test the software and report bugs. That said, I have 
>>> REALLY enjoyed using CentOS since the beginning. 
>>> 
>>> That said, having a look at the old spec files from *-toaster designation 
>>> days when we built the QMT for specific platforms, Fedora, was among them 
>>> along with Suse, Mandrake, so, at the beginning QMT was used in a 
>>> non-Enterprise environment. Anyway...
>>> 
>>> Personally, I'm interested in both Debian and FreeBSD and would like to go 
>>> back halfway to multi-platform builds while keeping the current QMT/CentOS 
>>> 8 offering. This would mitigate the problems, if there are any, we are 
>>> seeing now (hopefully). I guess it just depends on when (or if) the 
>>> mega-corps buy up all of the Linux distributions and hang us all out to 
>>> dry. Given the Felliniesque nature of the world today nothing would 
>>> surprise me anymore.
>>> 
>>> One advantage of having a ports like mail server is the ability, if one is 
>>> inclined to dig a little beyond binary installs, to make changes on the fly 
>>> without having to wait for packages from the repo.
>>> 
>>> I've tried to install FreeBSD, although somewhat half-heartedly, on Proxmox 
>>> serveral times with no success. If anyone has any hints I'm all ears...just 
>>> my 2 cents.
>>> 
>>> So, if anyone is working on installing QMT on another platform please keep 
>>> us apprised of your successes. If you feel like writing it up, I'll post it 
>>> to the web site.
>>> 
>>> I'll be looking into converting to *.deb packages (like rpm's, binary ease 
>>> of install) in some way (I tried using alien...on the website) which can be 
>>> used on Ubuntu and Debian Linux. Back to work for me...
>>> 
>>> Eric B.
>>> 
>>> On 12/9/2020 7:31 PM, Tony White wrote:
 Hi all, 
   Anyone interested in BSD either Free or Open? 
 I am starting to work on building a FreeBSD version 
 of this for myself. Would like to know if anyone 
 else is interested. 
 
 best wishes 
   Tony White 
 
 On 10/12/20 6:49 am, Unai Rodriguez wrote: 
> Debian! 
> 
> -- unai 
> 
> On Wed, Dec 9, 2020, at 8:20 PM, Boheme wrote: 
>> I’ve been meaning to learn to compile all the source for Ubuntu for a 
>> while. This may be the kick in the pants I needed. 
>> 
>> -Sent from my Pip-Boy 3000 
>> 
>>> On 10/12/2020, at 12:50 AM, Angus McIntyre  
>>>  wrote: 
>>> 
>>> Does anyone have any thoughts on the likely future of qmailtoaster 
>>> given the new plans for CentOS? 
>>> 
>>> (See https://centos.org/distro-faq/  
>>> for more details) 
>>> 
>>> I'd never actually heard of CentOS Stream before today, but having just 
>>> painfully built a working toaster 

Re: [qmailtoaster] Future of qmailtoaster on CentOS?

[qmail]

Hi Remo / all

Found this :

https://www.cyberciti.biz/linux-news/centos-linux-reborn-as-rocky-linux-enterprise-operating-system/

/Finn


Den 10-12-2020 kl. 21:08 skrev Remo Mattei:
what link did you use to get the Rocky Linux ISO? I just did a quick 
search didn’t see much of an ISO.


Thanks

On Dec 10, 2020, at 8:29 AM, Havrla > wrote:


Helooo,

no panic, no Titanic.    Wait, no fast

Yesterday flood, today sun.

Yesterday CentOS, today Rocky Linux.

What will happen tomorrow? We will wait and be wiser.


Havrla





Dne 9.12.2020 v 12:50 Angus McIntyre napsal(a):
Does anyone have any thoughts on the likely future of qmailtoaster 
given the new plans for CentOS?


(See https://centos.org/distro-faq/ for more details)

I'd never actually heard of CentOS Stream before today, but having 
just painfully built a working toaster on top of CentOS 8, I'm a 
little apprehensive about the impact of the proposed changes.


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Re: [qmailtoaster] Future of qmailtoaster on CentOS?

[Tahnan Al Anas]

Hi Eric,

I am not sure what this thread is about, but I heard FreeBSD, have you
checked https://www.xfiles.dk/guide-on-how-to-install-qmail-on-freebsd/? I
once used that and it did work. And the guy is also my friend.


--
--

Best Regards
Muhammad Tahnan Al Anas


On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 10:24 PM Eric Broch  wrote:

> And, some humor...
>
> https://centos.rip
>
>
> On 12/11/2020 6:52 AM, Eric Broch wrote:
>
> This looks like good news: https://github.com/rocky-linux
>
> On another note: IBM bought/acquired
> 
> Red Hat.
>
>
> On 12/10/2020 8:35 AM, Eric Broch wrote:
>
>
> *Fellow QMT enthusiasts: *
>
> *I became concerned about the future of CentOS a week or so ago *
> * (not a premonition just my natural paranoia) prior to their announcement
> two days back and visited centos.org  to relieve my
> fears. I was confident at that point that having gotten QMT/CentOS 8 ready
> I was good to go for ~10 years. My confidence MAY have been hasty. I'm
> still not sure what drawbacks 'stream' is going to bring, if any, and like
> Angus am apprehensive. It's supposed to be an intermediate environment
> between Fedora and RHEL. In my opinion, to release CentOS 8 and then move
> it from downstream to upstream after people have already migrated is
> short-sighted at the very least, and its name Community Enterprise OS (8)
> is now a misnomer. Living in somewhat of a cocoon, I was completely unaware
> that RH "joined" CentOS. I've heard some say that we've been freeloading
> off CentOS for years and now it's time to pay up. Never mind that a free
> kernel is used and we actually test the software and report bugs. That
> said, I have REALLY enjoyed using CentOS since the beginning. *
>
>
> *That said, having a look at the old spec files from *-toaster designation
> days when we built the QMT for specific platforms, Fedora, was among them
> along with Suse, Mandrake, so, at the beginning QMT was used in a
> non-Enterprise environment. Anyway... *
>
>
> *Personally, I'm interested in both Debian and FreeBSD and would like to
> go back halfway to multi-platform builds while keeping the current
> QMT/CentOS 8 offering. This would mitigate the problems, if there are any,
> we are seeing now (hopefully). I guess it just depends on when (or if) the
> mega-corps buy up all of the Linux distributions and hang us all out to
> dry. Given the Felliniesque nature of the world today nothing would
> surprise me anymore. *
>
> *One advantage of having a ports like mail server is the ability, if one
> is inclined to dig a little beyond binary installs, to make changes on the
> fly without having to wait for packages from the repo.*
>
> *I've tried to install FreeBSD, although somewhat half-heartedly, on
> Proxmox serveral times with no success. If anyone has any hints I'm all
> ears...just my 2 cents.*
>
>
> *So, if anyone is working on installing QMT on another platform please
> keep us apprised of your successes. If you feel like writing it up, I'll
> post it to the web site. *
>
>
> *I'll be looking into converting to *.deb packages (like rpm's, binary
> ease of install) in some way (I tried using alien...on the website) which
> can be used on Ubuntu and Debian Linux. Back to work for me... *
>
>
> *Eric B. *
> On 12/9/2020 7:31 PM, Tony White wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>   Anyone interested in BSD either Free or Open?
> I am starting to work on building a FreeBSD version
> of this for myself. Would like to know if anyone
> else is interested.
>
> best wishes
>   Tony White
>
> On 10/12/20 6:49 am, Unai Rodriguez wrote:
>
> Debian!
>
> -- unai
>
> On Wed, Dec 9, 2020, at 8:20 PM, Boheme wrote:
>
> I’ve been meaning to learn to compile all the source for Ubuntu for a
> while. This may be the kick in the pants I needed.
>
> -Sent from my Pip-Boy 3000
>
> On 10/12/2020, at 12:50 AM, Angus McIntyre 
>  wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any thoughts on the likely future of qmailtoaster given
> the new plans for CentOS?
>
> (See https://centos.org/distro-faq/ for more details)
>
> I'd never actually heard of CentOS Stream before today, but having just
> painfully built a working toaster on top of CentOS 8, I'm a little
> apprehensive about the impact of the proposed changes.
>
> Comments?
>
> Angus
>
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Re: [qmailtoaster] Future of qmailtoaster on CentOS?

[Eric Broch]

And, some humor...

https://centos.rip


On 12/11/2020 6:52 AM, Eric Broch wrote:


This looks like good news: https://github.com/rocky-linux

On another note: IBM bought/acquired 
 
Red Hat.



On 12/10/2020 8:35 AM, Eric Broch wrote:


/Fellow QMT enthusiasts:
/

/I became concerned about the future of CentOS a week or so ago 
///(not a premonition just my natural paranoia) /prior to their 
announcement two days back and visited centos.org to relieve my 
fears. I was confident at that point that having gotten QMT/CentOS 8 
ready I was good to go for ~10 years. My confidence MAY have been 
hasty. I'm still not sure what drawbacks 'stream' is going to bring, 
if any, and like Angus am apprehensive. It's supposed to be an 
intermediate environment between Fedora and RHEL. In my opinion, to 
release CentOS 8 and then move it from downstream to upstream after 
people have already migrated is short-sighted at the very least, and 
its name Community Enterprise OS (8) is now a misnomer. Living in 
somewhat of a cocoon, I was completely unaware that RH "joined" 
CentOS. I've heard some say that we've been freeloading off CentOS 
for years and now it's time to pay up. Never mind that a free kernel 
is used and we actually test the software and report bugs. That said, 
I have REALLY enjoyed using CentOS since the beginning.

/

/That said, having a look at the old spec files from *-toaster 
designation days when we built the QMT for specific platforms, 
Fedora, was among them along with Suse, Mandrake, so, at the 
beginning QMT was used in a non-Enterprise environment. Anyway...

/

/Personally, I'm interested in both Debian and FreeBSD and would like 
to go back halfway to multi-platform builds while keeping the current 
QMT/CentOS 8 offering. This would mitigate the problems, if there are 
any, we are seeing now (hopefully). I guess it just depends on when 
(or if) the mega-corps buy up all of the Linux distributions and hang 
us all out to dry. Given the Felliniesque nature of the world today 
nothing would surprise me anymore.

/

/One advantage of having a ports like mail server is the ability, if 
one is inclined to dig a little beyond binary installs, to make 
changes on the fly without having to wait for packages from the repo./


/I've tried to install FreeBSD, although somewhat half-heartedly, on 
Proxmox serveral times with no success. If anyone has any hints I'm 
all ears...just my 2 cents./


/So, if anyone is working on installing QMT on another platform 
please keep us apprised of your successes. If you feel like writing 
it up, I'll post it to the web site.

/

/I'll be looking into converting to *.deb packages (like rpm's, 
binary ease of install) in some way (I tried using alien...on the 
website) which can be used on Ubuntu and Debian Linux. Back to work 
for me...

/

/Eric B.
/

On 12/9/2020 7:31 PM, Tony White wrote:

Hi all,
  Anyone interested in BSD either Free or Open?
I am starting to work on building a FreeBSD version
of this for myself. Would like to know if anyone
else is interested.

best wishes
  Tony White

On 10/12/20 6:49 am, Unai Rodriguez wrote:

Debian!

-- unai

On Wed, Dec 9, 2020, at 8:20 PM, Boheme wrote:

I’ve been meaning to learn to compile all the source for Ubuntu for a
while. This may be the kick in the pants I needed.

-Sent from my Pip-Boy 3000


On 10/12/2020, at 12:50 AM, Angus McIntyre  wrote:

Does anyone have any thoughts on the likely future of 
qmailtoaster given the new plans for CentOS?


(See https://centos.org/distro-faq/ for more details)

I'd never actually heard of CentOS Stream before today, but 
having just painfully built a working toaster on top of CentOS 8, 
I'm a little apprehensive about the impact of the proposed changes.


Comments?

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Re: [qmailtoaster] Future of qmailtoaster on CentOS?

[Jeff Koch]

Perhaps, as long as nothing related to the kernel or basic OS changed. 
And the updating would need to be tested. It would be bad if the server 
instance wouldn't boot. Then you'd be dead in the water.  I'd feel a 
little more confident using an OS/distribution supported by the cloud 
provider. We use AWS, GCP and Azure.


Jeff

On 12/11/2020 10:20 AM, Eric Broch wrote:


From what the Rocky Linux developers say, that distro should be out by 
CentOS 8 end-of-life, 12/31/2021. It should be elementary to change 
repos, right?


On 12/11/2020 8:10 AM, Jeff Koch wrote:

We have a similar situation with AWS.   Jeff

On 12/11/2020 9:45 AM, Gary Bowling wrote:



One issue I have is that my toaster is hosted on a virtual machine 
at Linode. Others may use virtual solutions as well.



These services offer virtual machines of several popular flavors, 
but you have to use whatever they offer. Linode offers servers in 
Centos, Alpine, Arch, Debian, Fedora, Gentoo, Slackware, Ubuntu, and 
OpenSUSE. To use their service, you choose a platform/OS and specs. 
It's built for you in their data center, then you log in and 
configure/install what you want.



So for Linode there is no Rocky-linux or FreeBSD. Not to say that 
Rocky won't be supported in the future. If it takes hold and many of 
the CentOS customers move that direction, I'm sure it will.



It's just something to keep in mind and consider as this is moved 
forward.



gary


On 12/11/2020 8:52 AM, Eric Broch wrote:


This looks like good news: https://github.com/rocky-linux

On another note: IBM bought/acquired 
 
Red Hat.



On 12/10/2020 8:35 AM, Eric Broch wrote:


/Fellow QMT enthusiasts:
/

/I became concerned about the future of CentOS a week or so ago 
///(not a premonition just my natural paranoia) /prior to their 
announcement two days back and visited centos.org to relieve my 
fears. I was confident at that point that having gotten QMT/CentOS 
8 ready I was good to go for ~10 years. My confidence MAY have 
been hasty. I'm still not sure what drawbacks 'stream' is going to 
bring, if any, and like Angus am apprehensive. It's supposed to be 
an intermediate environment between Fedora and RHEL. In my 
opinion, to release CentOS 8 and then move it from downstream to 
upstream after people have already migrated is short-sighted at 
the very least, and its name Community Enterprise OS (8) is now a 
misnomer. Living in somewhat of a cocoon, I was completely unaware 
that RH "joined" CentOS. I've heard some say that we've been 
freeloading off CentOS for years and now it's time to pay up. 
Never mind that a free kernel is used and we actually test the 
software and report bugs. That said, I have REALLY enjoyed using 
CentOS since the beginning.

/

/That said, having a look at the old spec files from *-toaster 
designation days when we built the QMT for specific platforms, 
Fedora, was among them along with Suse, Mandrake, so, at the 
beginning QMT was used in a non-Enterprise environment. Anyway...

/

/Personally, I'm interested in both Debian and FreeBSD and would 
like to go back halfway to multi-platform builds while keeping the 
current QMT/CentOS 8 offering. This would mitigate the problems, 
if there are any, we are seeing now (hopefully). I guess it just 
depends on when (or if) the mega-corps buy up all of the Linux 
distributions and hang us all out to dry. Given the Felliniesque 
nature of the world today nothing would surprise me anymore.

/

/One advantage of having a ports like mail server is the ability, 
if one is inclined to dig a little beyond binary installs, to make 
changes on the fly without having to wait for packages from the repo./


/I've tried to install FreeBSD, although somewhat half-heartedly, 
on Proxmox serveral times with no success. If anyone has any hints 
I'm all ears...just my 2 cents./


/So, if anyone is working on installing QMT on another platform 
please keep us apprised of your successes. If you feel like 
writing it up, I'll post it to the web site.

/

/I'll be looking into converting to *.deb packages (like rpm's, 
binary ease of install) in some way (I tried using alien...on the 
website) which can be used on Ubuntu and Debian Linux. Back to 
work for me...

/

/Eric B.
/

On 12/9/2020 7:31 PM, Tony White wrote:

Hi all,
  Anyone interested in BSD either Free or Open?
I am starting to work on building a FreeBSD version
of this for myself. Would like to know if anyone
else is interested.

best wishes
  Tony White

On 10/12/20 6:49 am, Unai Rodriguez wrote:

Debian!

-- unai

On Wed, Dec 9, 2020, at 8:20 PM, Boheme wrote:
I’ve been meaning to learn to compile all the source for Ubuntu 
for a

while. This may be the kick in the pants I needed.

-Sent from my Pip-Boy 3000

On 10/12/2020, at 12:50 AM, Angus McIntyre  
wrote:


Does anyone have any thoughts on the likely future of 

Re: [qmailtoaster] Future of qmailtoaster on CentOS?

[Eric Broch]

What's the cost?

On 12/11/2020 8:14 AM, Gary Bowling wrote:



Yes, they give you an OS, with the amount of MEM/disk/processors/etc 
that you configure and purchase. Once you get that, you can log in 
with SSH and set up anything you like. There is also a console app 
from your account in case you have trouble getting in via SSH.



It's really a nice service and I've been very happy with it. Since 
your machine sits on top of a big architecture you never have to worry 
about hardware failures, hardware upgrades, etc. You can add storage, 
RAM, processors, etc to an existing machine at any time.



I was skeptical at first of running email on a virtual, but I've been 
using mine for about 3 years now and it's really been a good service. 
I would never go back to a real machine, all the hardware headaches 
are gone.



gary



On 12/11/2020 10:01 AM, Eric Broch wrote:


Do they allow you to control the repos from which you update? If so 
there should not be problem if Rocky is done by then.


On 12/11/2020 7:45 AM, Gary Bowling wrote:



One issue I have is that my toaster is hosted on a virtual machine 
at Linode. Others may use virtual solutions as well.



These services offer virtual machines of several popular flavors, 
but you have to use whatever they offer. Linode offers servers in 
Centos, Alpine, Arch, Debian, Fedora, Gentoo, Slackware, Ubuntu, and 
OpenSUSE. To use their service, you choose a platform/OS and specs. 
It's built for you in their data center, then you log in and 
configure/install what you want.



So for Linode there is no Rocky-linux or FreeBSD. Not to say that 
Rocky won't be supported in the future. If it takes hold and many of 
the CentOS customers move that direction, I'm sure it will.



It's just something to keep in mind and consider as this is moved 
forward.



gary


On 12/11/2020 8:52 AM, Eric Broch wrote:


This looks like good news: https://github.com/rocky-linux

On another note: IBM bought/acquired 
 
Red Hat.



On 12/10/2020 8:35 AM, Eric Broch wrote:


/Fellow QMT enthusiasts:
/

/I became concerned about the future of CentOS a week or so ago 
///(not a premonition just my natural paranoia) /prior to their 
announcement two days back and visited centos.org to relieve my 
fears. I was confident at that point that having gotten QMT/CentOS 
8 ready I was good to go for ~10 years. My confidence MAY have 
been hasty. I'm still not sure what drawbacks 'stream' is going to 
bring, if any, and like Angus am apprehensive. It's supposed to be 
an intermediate environment between Fedora and RHEL. In my 
opinion, to release CentOS 8 and then move it from downstream to 
upstream after people have already migrated is short-sighted at 
the very least, and its name Community Enterprise OS (8) is now a 
misnomer. Living in somewhat of a cocoon, I was completely unaware 
that RH "joined" CentOS. I've heard some say that we've been 
freeloading off CentOS for years and now it's time to pay up. 
Never mind that a free kernel is used and we actually test the 
software and report bugs. That said, I have REALLY enjoyed using 
CentOS since the beginning.

/

/That said, having a look at the old spec files from *-toaster 
designation days when we built the QMT for specific platforms, 
Fedora, was among them along with Suse, Mandrake, so, at the 
beginning QMT was used in a non-Enterprise environment. Anyway...

/

/Personally, I'm interested in both Debian and FreeBSD and would 
like to go back halfway to multi-platform builds while keeping the 
current QMT/CentOS 8 offering. This would mitigate the problems, 
if there are any, we are seeing now (hopefully). I guess it just 
depends on when (or if) the mega-corps buy up all of the Linux 
distributions and hang us all out to dry. Given the Felliniesque 
nature of the world today nothing would surprise me anymore.

/

/One advantage of having a ports like mail server is the ability, 
if one is inclined to dig a little beyond binary installs, to make 
changes on the fly without having to wait for packages from the repo./


/I've tried to install FreeBSD, although somewhat half-heartedly, 
on Proxmox serveral times with no success. If anyone has any hints 
I'm all ears...just my 2 cents./


/So, if anyone is working on installing QMT on another platform 
please keep us apprised of your successes. If you feel like 
writing it up, I'll post it to the web site.

/

/I'll be looking into converting to *.deb packages (like rpm's, 
binary ease of install) in some way (I tried using alien...on the 
website) which can be used on Ubuntu and Debian Linux. Back to 
work for me...

/

/Eric B.
/

On 12/9/2020 7:31 PM, Tony White wrote:

Hi all,
  Anyone interested in BSD either Free or Open?
I am starting to work on building a FreeBSD version
of this for myself. Would like to know if anyone
else is interested.

best 

Re: [qmailtoaster] Future of qmailtoaster on CentOS?

[Eric Broch]

From what the Rocky Linux developers say, that distro should be out by 
CentOS 8 end-of-life, 12/31/2021. It should be elementary to change 
repos, right?


On 12/11/2020 8:10 AM, Jeff Koch wrote:

We have a similar situation with AWS.   Jeff

On 12/11/2020 9:45 AM, Gary Bowling wrote:



One issue I have is that my toaster is hosted on a virtual machine at 
Linode. Others may use virtual solutions as well.



These services offer virtual machines of several popular flavors, but 
you have to use whatever they offer. Linode offers servers in Centos, 
Alpine, Arch, Debian, Fedora, Gentoo, Slackware, Ubuntu, and 
OpenSUSE. To use their service, you choose a platform/OS and specs. 
It's built for you in their data center, then you log in and 
configure/install what you want.



So for Linode there is no Rocky-linux or FreeBSD. Not to say that 
Rocky won't be supported in the future. If it takes hold and many of 
the CentOS customers move that direction, I'm sure it will.



It's just something to keep in mind and consider as this is moved 
forward.



gary


On 12/11/2020 8:52 AM, Eric Broch wrote:


This looks like good news: https://github.com/rocky-linux

On another note: IBM bought/acquired 
 
Red Hat.



On 12/10/2020 8:35 AM, Eric Broch wrote:


/Fellow QMT enthusiasts:
/

/I became concerned about the future of CentOS a week or so ago 
///(not a premonition just my natural paranoia) /prior to their 
announcement two days back and visited centos.org to relieve my 
fears. I was confident at that point that having gotten QMT/CentOS 
8 ready I was good to go for ~10 years. My confidence MAY have been 
hasty. I'm still not sure what drawbacks 'stream' is going to 
bring, if any, and like Angus am apprehensive. It's supposed to be 
an intermediate environment between Fedora and RHEL. In my opinion, 
to release CentOS 8 and then move it from downstream to upstream 
after people have already migrated is short-sighted at the very 
least, and its name Community Enterprise OS (8) is now a misnomer. 
Living in somewhat of a cocoon, I was completely unaware that RH 
"joined" CentOS. I've heard some say that we've been freeloading 
off CentOS for years and now it's time to pay up. Never mind that a 
free kernel is used and we actually test the software and report 
bugs. That said, I have REALLY enjoyed using CentOS since the 
beginning.

/

/That said, having a look at the old spec files from *-toaster 
designation days when we built the QMT for specific platforms, 
Fedora, was among them along with Suse, Mandrake, so, at the 
beginning QMT was used in a non-Enterprise environment. Anyway...

/

/Personally, I'm interested in both Debian and FreeBSD and would 
like to go back halfway to multi-platform builds while keeping the 
current QMT/CentOS 8 offering. This would mitigate the problems, if 
there are any, we are seeing now (hopefully). I guess it just 
depends on when (or if) the mega-corps buy up all of the Linux 
distributions and hang us all out to dry. Given the Felliniesque 
nature of the world today nothing would surprise me anymore.

/

/One advantage of having a ports like mail server is the ability, 
if one is inclined to dig a little beyond binary installs, to make 
changes on the fly without having to wait for packages from the repo./


/I've tried to install FreeBSD, although somewhat half-heartedly, 
on Proxmox serveral times with no success. If anyone has any hints 
I'm all ears...just my 2 cents./


/So, if anyone is working on installing QMT on another platform 
please keep us apprised of your successes. If you feel like writing 
it up, I'll post it to the web site.

/

/I'll be looking into converting to *.deb packages (like rpm's, 
binary ease of install) in some way (I tried using alien...on the 
website) which can be used on Ubuntu and Debian Linux. Back to work 
for me...

/

/Eric B.
/

On 12/9/2020 7:31 PM, Tony White wrote:

Hi all,
  Anyone interested in BSD either Free or Open?
I am starting to work on building a FreeBSD version
of this for myself. Would like to know if anyone
else is interested.

best wishes
  Tony White

On 10/12/20 6:49 am, Unai Rodriguez wrote:

Debian!

-- unai

On Wed, Dec 9, 2020, at 8:20 PM, Boheme wrote:
I’ve been meaning to learn to compile all the source for Ubuntu 
for a

while. This may be the kick in the pants I needed.

-Sent from my Pip-Boy 3000

On 10/12/2020, at 12:50 AM, Angus McIntyre  
wrote:


Does anyone have any thoughts on the likely future of 
qmailtoaster given the new plans for CentOS?


(See https://centos.org/distro-faq/ for more details)

I'd never actually heard of CentOS Stream before today, but 
having just painfully built a working toaster on top of CentOS 
8, I'm a little apprehensive about the impact of the proposed 
changes.


Comments?

Angus

Re: [qmailtoaster] Future of qmailtoaster on CentOS?

[Gary Bowling]

  
  


Yes, they give you an OS, with the amount of
  MEM/disk/processors/etc that you configure and purchase. Once you
  get that, you can log in with SSH and set up anything you like.
  There is also a console app from your account in case you have
  trouble getting in via SSH.



It's really a nice service and I've been very happy with it.
  Since your machine sits on top of a big architecture you never
  have to worry about hardware failures, hardware upgrades, etc. You
  can add storage, RAM, processors, etc to an existing machine at
  any time.


I was skeptical at first of running email on a virtual, but I've
  been using mine for about 3 years now and it's really been a good
  service. I would never go back to a real machine, all the hardware
  headaches are gone.



gary





On 12/11/2020 10:01 AM, Eric Broch
  wrote:


  
  Do they allow you to control the repos from which you update?
If so there should not be problem if Rocky is done by then.
  
  On 12/11/2020 7:45 AM, Gary Bowling
wrote:
  
  



One issue I have is that my toaster is hosted on a virtual
  machine at Linode. Others may use virtual solutions as well. 



These services offer virtual machines of several popular
  flavors, but you have to use whatever they offer. Linode
  offers servers in Centos, Alpine, Arch, Debian, Fedora,
  Gentoo, Slackware, Ubuntu, and OpenSUSE. To use their service,
  you choose a platform/OS and specs. It's built for you in
  their data center, then you log in and configure/install what
  you want.



So for Linode there is no Rocky-linux or FreeBSD. Not to say
  that Rocky won't be supported in the future. If it takes hold
  and many of the CentOS customers move that direction, I'm sure
  it will. 



It's just something to keep in mind and consider as this is
  moved forward.


gary



On 12/11/2020 8:52 AM, Eric Broch
  wrote:


  
  This looks like good news: https://github.com/rocky-linux
  On another note: IBM bought/acquired
Red Hat.
  
  
  On 12/10/2020 8:35 AM, Eric Broch
wrote:
  
  

Fellow QMT enthusiasts:
  
I became concerned about the future of CentOS a week
or so ago  (not a premonition just my natural
  paranoia) prior to their announcement two days
back and visited centos.org to relieve my fears. I was
confident at that point that having gotten QMT/CentOS 8
ready I was good to go for ~10 years. My confidence MAY
have been hasty. I'm still not sure what drawbacks
'stream' is going to bring, if any, and like Angus am
apprehensive. It's supposed to be an intermediate
environment between Fedora and RHEL. In my opinion, to
release CentOS 8 and then move it from downstream to
upstream after people have already migrated is
short-sighted at the very least, and its name Community
Enterprise OS (8) is now a misnomer. Living in somewhat
of a cocoon, I was completely unaware that RH "joined"
CentOS. I've heard some say that we've been freeloading
off CentOS for years and now it's time to pay up. Never
mind that a free kernel is used and we actually test the
software and report bugs. That said, I have REALLY
enjoyed using CentOS since the beginning. 
  
That said, having a look at the old spec files from
*-toaster designation days when we built the QMT for
specific platforms, Fedora, was among them along with
Suse, Mandrake, so, at the beginning QMT was used in a
non-Enterprise environment. Anyway...
  
Personally, I'm interested in both Debian and FreeBSD
and would like to go back halfway to multi-platform
builds while keeping the current QMT/CentOS 8 offering.
This would mitigate the problems, if there are any, we
are seeing now (hopefully). I guess it just depends on
when (or if) the mega-corps buy up all of the Linux
distributions and hang us all out to dry. Given the
Felliniesque nature of the world today nothing would
surprise me anymore.
  
  

Re: [qmailtoaster] Future of qmailtoaster on CentOS?

[Jeff Koch]

We have a similar situation with AWS.   Jeff

On 12/11/2020 9:45 AM, Gary Bowling wrote:



One issue I have is that my toaster is hosted on a virtual machine at 
Linode. Others may use virtual solutions as well.



These services offer virtual machines of several popular flavors, but 
you have to use whatever they offer. Linode offers servers in Centos, 
Alpine, Arch, Debian, Fedora, Gentoo, Slackware, Ubuntu, and OpenSUSE. 
To use their service, you choose a platform/OS and specs. It's built 
for you in their data center, then you log in and configure/install 
what you want.



So for Linode there is no Rocky-linux or FreeBSD. Not to say that 
Rocky won't be supported in the future. If it takes hold and many of 
the CentOS customers move that direction, I'm sure it will.



It's just something to keep in mind and consider as this is moved forward.


gary


On 12/11/2020 8:52 AM, Eric Broch wrote:


This looks like good news: https://github.com/rocky-linux

On another note: IBM bought/acquired 
 
Red Hat.



On 12/10/2020 8:35 AM, Eric Broch wrote:


/Fellow QMT enthusiasts:
/

/I became concerned about the future of CentOS a week or so ago 
///(not a premonition just my natural paranoia) /prior to their 
announcement two days back and visited centos.org to relieve my 
fears. I was confident at that point that having gotten QMT/CentOS 8 
ready I was good to go for ~10 years. My confidence MAY have been 
hasty. I'm still not sure what drawbacks 'stream' is going to bring, 
if any, and like Angus am apprehensive. It's supposed to be an 
intermediate environment between Fedora and RHEL. In my opinion, to 
release CentOS 8 and then move it from downstream to upstream after 
people have already migrated is short-sighted at the very least, and 
its name Community Enterprise OS (8) is now a misnomer. Living in 
somewhat of a cocoon, I was completely unaware that RH "joined" 
CentOS. I've heard some say that we've been freeloading off CentOS 
for years and now it's time to pay up. Never mind that a free kernel 
is used and we actually test the software and report bugs. That 
said, I have REALLY enjoyed using CentOS since the beginning.

/

/That said, having a look at the old spec files from *-toaster 
designation days when we built the QMT for specific platforms, 
Fedora, was among them along with Suse, Mandrake, so, at the 
beginning QMT was used in a non-Enterprise environment. Anyway...

/

/Personally, I'm interested in both Debian and FreeBSD and would 
like to go back halfway to multi-platform builds while keeping the 
current QMT/CentOS 8 offering. This would mitigate the problems, if 
there are any, we are seeing now (hopefully). I guess it just 
depends on when (or if) the mega-corps buy up all of the Linux 
distributions and hang us all out to dry. Given the Felliniesque 
nature of the world today nothing would surprise me anymore.

/

/One advantage of having a ports like mail server is the ability, if 
one is inclined to dig a little beyond binary installs, to make 
changes on the fly without having to wait for packages from the repo./


/I've tried to install FreeBSD, although somewhat half-heartedly, on 
Proxmox serveral times with no success. If anyone has any hints I'm 
all ears...just my 2 cents./


/So, if anyone is working on installing QMT on another platform 
please keep us apprised of your successes. If you feel like writing 
it up, I'll post it to the web site.

/

/I'll be looking into converting to *.deb packages (like rpm's, 
binary ease of install) in some way (I tried using alien...on the 
website) which can be used on Ubuntu and Debian Linux. Back to work 
for me...

/

/Eric B.
/

On 12/9/2020 7:31 PM, Tony White wrote:

Hi all,
  Anyone interested in BSD either Free or Open?
I am starting to work on building a FreeBSD version
of this for myself. Would like to know if anyone
else is interested.

best wishes
  Tony White

On 10/12/20 6:49 am, Unai Rodriguez wrote:

Debian!

-- unai

On Wed, Dec 9, 2020, at 8:20 PM, Boheme wrote:
I’ve been meaning to learn to compile all the source for Ubuntu 
for a

while. This may be the kick in the pants I needed.

-Sent from my Pip-Boy 3000


On 10/12/2020, at 12:50 AM, Angus McIntyre  wrote:

Does anyone have any thoughts on the likely future of 
qmailtoaster given the new plans for CentOS?


(See https://centos.org/distro-faq/ for more details)

I'd never actually heard of CentOS Stream before today, but 
having just painfully built a working toaster on top of CentOS 
8, I'm a little apprehensive about the impact of the proposed 
changes.


Comments?

Angus


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Re: [qmailtoaster] Future of qmailtoaster on CentOS?

[Eric Broch]

Do they allow you to control the repos from which you update? If so 
there should not be problem if Rocky is done by then.


On 12/11/2020 7:45 AM, Gary Bowling wrote:



One issue I have is that my toaster is hosted on a virtual machine at 
Linode. Others may use virtual solutions as well.



These services offer virtual machines of several popular flavors, but 
you have to use whatever they offer. Linode offers servers in Centos, 
Alpine, Arch, Debian, Fedora, Gentoo, Slackware, Ubuntu, and OpenSUSE. 
To use their service, you choose a platform/OS and specs. It's built 
for you in their data center, then you log in and configure/install 
what you want.



So for Linode there is no Rocky-linux or FreeBSD. Not to say that 
Rocky won't be supported in the future. If it takes hold and many of 
the CentOS customers move that direction, I'm sure it will.



It's just something to keep in mind and consider as this is moved forward.


gary


On 12/11/2020 8:52 AM, Eric Broch wrote:


This looks like good news: https://github.com/rocky-linux

On another note: IBM bought/acquired 
 
Red Hat.



On 12/10/2020 8:35 AM, Eric Broch wrote:


/Fellow QMT enthusiasts:
/

/I became concerned about the future of CentOS a week or so ago 
///(not a premonition just my natural paranoia) /prior to their 
announcement two days back and visited centos.org to relieve my 
fears. I was confident at that point that having gotten QMT/CentOS 8 
ready I was good to go for ~10 years. My confidence MAY have been 
hasty. I'm still not sure what drawbacks 'stream' is going to bring, 
if any, and like Angus am apprehensive. It's supposed to be an 
intermediate environment between Fedora and RHEL. In my opinion, to 
release CentOS 8 and then move it from downstream to upstream after 
people have already migrated is short-sighted at the very least, and 
its name Community Enterprise OS (8) is now a misnomer. Living in 
somewhat of a cocoon, I was completely unaware that RH "joined" 
CentOS. I've heard some say that we've been freeloading off CentOS 
for years and now it's time to pay up. Never mind that a free kernel 
is used and we actually test the software and report bugs. That 
said, I have REALLY enjoyed using CentOS since the beginning.

/

/That said, having a look at the old spec files from *-toaster 
designation days when we built the QMT for specific platforms, 
Fedora, was among them along with Suse, Mandrake, so, at the 
beginning QMT was used in a non-Enterprise environment. Anyway...

/

/Personally, I'm interested in both Debian and FreeBSD and would 
like to go back halfway to multi-platform builds while keeping the 
current QMT/CentOS 8 offering. This would mitigate the problems, if 
there are any, we are seeing now (hopefully). I guess it just 
depends on when (or if) the mega-corps buy up all of the Linux 
distributions and hang us all out to dry. Given the Felliniesque 
nature of the world today nothing would surprise me anymore.

/

/One advantage of having a ports like mail server is the ability, if 
one is inclined to dig a little beyond binary installs, to make 
changes on the fly without having to wait for packages from the repo./


/I've tried to install FreeBSD, although somewhat half-heartedly, on 
Proxmox serveral times with no success. If anyone has any hints I'm 
all ears...just my 2 cents./


/So, if anyone is working on installing QMT on another platform 
please keep us apprised of your successes. If you feel like writing 
it up, I'll post it to the web site.

/

/I'll be looking into converting to *.deb packages (like rpm's, 
binary ease of install) in some way (I tried using alien...on the 
website) which can be used on Ubuntu and Debian Linux. Back to work 
for me...

/

/Eric B.
/

On 12/9/2020 7:31 PM, Tony White wrote:

Hi all,
  Anyone interested in BSD either Free or Open?
I am starting to work on building a FreeBSD version
of this for myself. Would like to know if anyone
else is interested.

best wishes
  Tony White

On 10/12/20 6:49 am, Unai Rodriguez wrote:

Debian!

-- unai

On Wed, Dec 9, 2020, at 8:20 PM, Boheme wrote:
I’ve been meaning to learn to compile all the source for Ubuntu 
for a

while. This may be the kick in the pants I needed.

-Sent from my Pip-Boy 3000


On 10/12/2020, at 12:50 AM, Angus McIntyre  wrote:

Does anyone have any thoughts on the likely future of 
qmailtoaster given the new plans for CentOS?


(See https://centos.org/distro-faq/ for more details)

I'd never actually heard of CentOS Stream before today, but 
having just painfully built a working toaster on top of CentOS 
8, I'm a little apprehensive about the impact of the proposed 
changes.


Comments?

Angus


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Re: [qmailtoaster] Future of qmailtoaster on CentOS?

[Gary Bowling]

  
  


One issue I have is that my toaster is hosted on a virtual
  machine at Linode. Others may use virtual solutions as well. 



These services offer virtual machines of several popular flavors,
  but you have to use whatever they offer. Linode offers servers in
  Centos, Alpine, Arch, Debian, Fedora, Gentoo, Slackware, Ubuntu,
  and OpenSUSE. To use their service, you choose a platform/OS and
  specs. It's built for you in their data center, then you log in
  and configure/install what you want.



So for Linode there is no Rocky-linux or FreeBSD. Not to say that
  Rocky won't be supported in the future. If it takes hold and many
  of the CentOS customers move that direction, I'm sure it will. 



It's just something to keep in mind and consider as this is moved
  forward.


gary



On 12/11/2020 8:52 AM, Eric Broch
  wrote:


  
  This looks like good news: https://github.com/rocky-linux
  On another note: IBM bought/acquired
Red Hat.
  
  
  On 12/10/2020 8:35 AM, Eric Broch
wrote:
  
  

Fellow QMT enthusiasts:
  
I became concerned about the future of CentOS a week or so
ago  (not a premonition just my natural paranoia)
prior to their announcement two days back and visited
centos.org to relieve my fears. I was confident at that
point that having gotten QMT/CentOS 8 ready I was good to go
for ~10 years. My confidence MAY have been hasty. I'm still
not sure what drawbacks 'stream' is going to bring, if any,
and like Angus am apprehensive. It's supposed to be an
intermediate environment between Fedora and RHEL. In my
opinion, to release CentOS 8 and then move it from
downstream to upstream after people have already migrated is
short-sighted at the very least, and its name Community
Enterprise OS (8) is now a misnomer. Living in somewhat of a
cocoon, I was completely unaware that RH "joined" CentOS.
I've heard some say that we've been freeloading off CentOS
for years and now it's time to pay up. Never mind that a
free kernel is used and we actually test the software and
report bugs. That said, I have REALLY enjoyed using CentOS
since the beginning. 
  
That said, having a look at the old spec files from
*-toaster designation days when we built the QMT for
specific platforms, Fedora, was among them along with Suse,
Mandrake, so, at the beginning QMT was used in a
non-Enterprise environment. Anyway...
  
Personally, I'm interested in both Debian and FreeBSD and
would like to go back halfway to multi-platform builds while
keeping the current QMT/CentOS 8 offering. This would
mitigate the problems, if there are any, we are seeing now
(hopefully). I guess it just depends on when (or if) the
mega-corps buy up all of the Linux distributions and hang us
all out to dry. Given the Felliniesque nature of the world
today nothing would surprise me anymore.
  
One advantage of having a ports like mail server is the
ability, if one is inclined to dig a little beyond binary
installs, to make changes on the fly without having to wait
for packages from the repo.
I've tried to install FreeBSD, although somewhat
half-heartedly, on Proxmox serveral times with no success.
If anyone has any hints I'm all ears...just my 2 cents.
So, if anyone is working on installing QMT on another
platform please keep us apprised of your successes. If you
feel like writing it up, I'll post it to the web site.
  
I'll be looking into converting to *.deb packages (like
rpm's, binary ease of install) in some way (I tried using
alien...on the website) which can be used on Ubuntu and
Debian Linux. Back to work for me...
  
Eric B.
  
On 12/9/2020 7:31 PM, Tony White
  wrote:

Hi
  all, 
    Anyone interested in BSD either Free or Open? 
  I am starting to work on building a FreeBSD version 
  of this for myself. Would like to know if anyone 
  else is interested. 
  
  best wishes 
    Tony White 
  
  On 10/12/20 6:49 am, Unai Rodriguez wrote: 
  Debian! 

-- unai 

On Wed, Dec 9, 2020, at 8:20 PM, Boheme wrote: 
I’ve been meaning to learn to
  compile all the source for Ubuntu 

Re: [qmailtoaster] Future of qmailtoaster on CentOS?

[Eric Broch]

This looks like good news: https://github.com/rocky-linux

On another note: IBM bought/acquired 
 
Red Hat.



On 12/10/2020 8:35 AM, Eric Broch wrote:


/Fellow QMT enthusiasts:
/

/I became concerned about the future of CentOS a week or so ago 
///(not a premonition just my natural paranoia) /prior to their 
announcement two days back and visited centos.org to relieve my fears. 
I was confident at that point that having gotten QMT/CentOS 8 ready I 
was good to go for ~10 years. My confidence MAY have been hasty. I'm 
still not sure what drawbacks 'stream' is going to bring, if any, and 
like Angus am apprehensive. It's supposed to be an intermediate 
environment between Fedora and RHEL. In my opinion, to release CentOS 
8 and then move it from downstream to upstream after people have 
already migrated is short-sighted at the very least, and its name 
Community Enterprise OS (8) is now a misnomer. Living in somewhat of a 
cocoon, I was completely unaware that RH "joined" CentOS. I've heard 
some say that we've been freeloading off CentOS for years and now it's 
time to pay up. Never mind that a free kernel is used and we actually 
test the software and report bugs. That said, I have REALLY enjoyed 
using CentOS since the beginning.

/

/That said, having a look at the old spec files from *-toaster 
designation days when we built the QMT for specific platforms, Fedora, 
was among them along with Suse, Mandrake, so, at the beginning QMT was 
used in a non-Enterprise environment. Anyway...

/

/Personally, I'm interested in both Debian and FreeBSD and would like 
to go back halfway to multi-platform builds while keeping the current 
QMT/CentOS 8 offering. This would mitigate the problems, if there are 
any, we are seeing now (hopefully). I guess it just depends on when 
(or if) the mega-corps buy up all of the Linux distributions and hang 
us all out to dry. Given the Felliniesque nature of the world today 
nothing would surprise me anymore.

/

/One advantage of having a ports like mail server is the ability, if 
one is inclined to dig a little beyond binary installs, to make 
changes on the fly without having to wait for packages from the repo./


/I've tried to install FreeBSD, although somewhat half-heartedly, on 
Proxmox serveral times with no success. If anyone has any hints I'm 
all ears...just my 2 cents./


/So, if anyone is working on installing QMT on another platform please 
keep us apprised of your successes. If you feel like writing it up, 
I'll post it to the web site.

/

/I'll be looking into converting to *.deb packages (like rpm's, binary 
ease of install) in some way (I tried using alien...on the website) 
which can be used on Ubuntu and Debian Linux. Back to work for me...

/

/Eric B.
/

On 12/9/2020 7:31 PM, Tony White wrote:

Hi all,
  Anyone interested in BSD either Free or Open?
I am starting to work on building a FreeBSD version
of this for myself. Would like to know if anyone
else is interested.

best wishes
  Tony White

On 10/12/20 6:49 am, Unai Rodriguez wrote:

Debian!

-- unai

On Wed, Dec 9, 2020, at 8:20 PM, Boheme wrote:

I’ve been meaning to learn to compile all the source for Ubuntu for a
while. This may be the kick in the pants I needed.

-Sent from my Pip-Boy 3000


On 10/12/2020, at 12:50 AM, Angus McIntyre  wrote:

Does anyone have any thoughts on the likely future of 
qmailtoaster given the new plans for CentOS?


(See https://centos.org/distro-faq/ for more details)

I'd never actually heard of CentOS Stream before today, but having 
just painfully built a working toaster on top of CentOS 8, I'm a 
little apprehensive about the impact of the proposed changes.


Comments?

Angus


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[Tony White]

Hi Eric,
  Not fully operational yet. Still working from a page
I found last week. Everything seems to install but
I want to compare it to QMT after it is operational.
Again, I will keep the list updated.

best wishes
  Tony White

On 11/12/20 8:42 am, Eric Broch wrote:


Do you have a qmailtoaster version installed on FreeBSD?

On 12/10/2020 2:41 PM, Tony White wrote:

Hi Eric,
  As to debian you can install the software called alien.
This will convert .rpm to .deb at the command line. I have
used alien and it does convert your packages properly. Thee
only items to check would be scripting.
  I will keep plodding on with my FreeBSD as it appears to
stable and viable and does not have systemd.

best wishes
  Tony White

On 11/12/20 2:35 am, Eric Broch wrote:


/Fellow QMT enthusiasts:
/

/I became concerned about the future of CentOS a week or so ago ///(not a premonition just my natural paranoia) /prior 
to their announcement two days back and visited centos.org to relieve my fears. I was confident at that point that 
having gotten QMT/CentOS 8 ready I was good to go for ~10 years. My confidence MAY have been hasty. I'm still not sure 
what drawbacks 'stream' is going to bring, if any, and like Angus am apprehensive. It's supposed to be an intermediate 
environment between Fedora and RHEL. In my opinion, to release CentOS 8 and then move it from downstream to upstream 
after people have already migrated is short-sighted at the very least, and its name Community Enterprise OS (8) is now 
a misnomer. Living in somewhat of a cocoon, I was completely unaware that RH "joined" CentOS. I've heard some say that 
we've been freeloading off CentOS for years and now it's time to pay up. Never mind that a free kernel is used and we 
actually test the software and report bugs. That said, I have REALLY enjoyed using CentOS since the beginning.

/

/That said, having a look at the old spec files from *-toaster designation days when we built the QMT for specific 
platforms, Fedora, was among them along with Suse, Mandrake, so, at the beginning QMT was used in a non-Enterprise 
environment. Anyway...

/

/Personally, I'm interested in both Debian and FreeBSD and would like to go back halfway to multi-platform builds while 
keeping the current QMT/CentOS 8 offering. This would mitigate the problems, if there are any, we are seeing now 
(hopefully). I guess it just depends on when (or if) the mega-corps buy up all of the Linux distributions and hang us 
all out to dry. Given the Felliniesque nature of the world today nothing would surprise me anymore.

/

/One advantage of having a ports like mail server is the ability, if one is inclined to dig a little beyond binary 
installs, to make changes on the fly without having to wait for packages from the repo./


/I've tried to install FreeBSD, although somewhat half-heartedly, on Proxmox serveral times with no success. If anyone 
has any hints I'm all ears...just my 2 cents./


/So, if anyone is working on installing QMT on another platform please keep us apprised of your successes. If you feel 
like writing it up, I'll post it to the web site.

/

/I'll be looking into converting to *.deb packages (like rpm's, binary ease of install) in some way (I tried using 
alien...on the website) which can be used on Ubuntu and Debian Linux. Back to work for me...

/

/Eric B.
/

On 12/9/2020 7:31 PM, Tony White wrote:

Hi all,
  Anyone interested in BSD either Free or Open?
I am starting to work on building a FreeBSD version
of this for myself. Would like to know if anyone
else is interested.

best wishes
  Tony White

On 10/12/20 6:49 am, Unai Rodriguez wrote:

Debian!

-- unai

On Wed, Dec 9, 2020, at 8:20 PM, Boheme wrote:

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while. This may be the kick in the pants I needed.

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On 10/12/2020, at 12:50 AM, Angus McIntyre  wrote:

Does anyone have any thoughts on the likely future of qmailtoaster given the 
new plans for CentOS?

(See https://centos.org/distro-faq/ for more details)

I'd never actually heard of CentOS Stream before today, but having just painfully built a working toaster on top of 
CentOS 8, I'm a little apprehensive about the impact of the proposed changes.


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Re: [qmailtoaster] Future of qmailtoaster on CentOS?

[Tony White]

Hi Eric,
  I am also going to try devuan this weekend with the alien conversion of
your .rpm to .deb. I will keep the list updated. Again no systemd.


best wishes
  Tony White

On 11/12/20 2:35 am, Eric Broch wrote:


/Fellow QMT enthusiasts:
/

/I became concerned about the future of CentOS a week or so ago ///(not a premonition just my natural paranoia) /prior to 
their announcement two days back and visited centos.org to relieve my fears. I was confident at that point that having 
gotten QMT/CentOS 8 ready I was good to go for ~10 years. My confidence MAY have been hasty. I'm still not sure what 
drawbacks 'stream' is going to bring, if any, and like Angus am apprehensive. It's supposed to be an intermediate 
environment between Fedora and RHEL. In my opinion, to release CentOS 8 and then move it from downstream to upstream 
after people have already migrated is short-sighted at the very least, and its name Community Enterprise OS (8) is now a 
misnomer. Living in somewhat of a cocoon, I was completely unaware that RH "joined" CentOS. I've heard some say that 
we've been freeloading off CentOS for years and now it's time to pay up. Never mind that a free kernel is used and we 
actually test the software and report bugs. That said, I have REALLY enjoyed using CentOS since the beginning.

/

/That said, having a look at the old spec files from *-toaster designation days when we built the QMT for specific 
platforms, Fedora, was among them along with Suse, Mandrake, so, at the beginning QMT was used in a non-Enterprise 
environment. Anyway...

/

/Personally, I'm interested in both Debian and FreeBSD and would like to go back halfway to multi-platform builds while 
keeping the current QMT/CentOS 8 offering. This would mitigate the problems, if there are any, we are seeing now 
(hopefully). I guess it just depends on when (or if) the mega-corps buy up all of the Linux distributions and hang us all 
out to dry. Given the Felliniesque nature of the world today nothing would surprise me anymore.

/

/One advantage of having a ports like mail server is the ability, if one is inclined to dig a little beyond binary 
installs, to make changes on the fly without having to wait for packages from the repo./


/I've tried to install FreeBSD, although somewhat half-heartedly, on Proxmox serveral times with no success. If anyone 
has any hints I'm all ears...just my 2 cents./


/So, if anyone is working on installing QMT on another platform please keep us apprised of your successes. If you feel 
like writing it up, I'll post it to the web site.

/

/I'll be looking into converting to *.deb packages (like rpm's, binary ease of install) in some way (I tried using 
alien...on the website) which can be used on Ubuntu and Debian Linux. Back to work for me...

/

/Eric B.
/

On 12/9/2020 7:31 PM, Tony White wrote:

Hi all,
  Anyone interested in BSD either Free or Open?
I am starting to work on building a FreeBSD version
of this for myself. Would like to know if anyone
else is interested.

best wishes
  Tony White

On 10/12/20 6:49 am, Unai Rodriguez wrote:

Debian!

-- unai

On Wed, Dec 9, 2020, at 8:20 PM, Boheme wrote:

I’ve been meaning to learn to compile all the source for Ubuntu for a
while. This may be the kick in the pants I needed.

-Sent from my Pip-Boy 3000


On 10/12/2020, at 12:50 AM, Angus McIntyre  wrote:

Does anyone have any thoughts on the likely future of qmailtoaster given the 
new plans for CentOS?

(See https://centos.org/distro-faq/ for more details)

I'd never actually heard of CentOS Stream before today, but having just painfully built a working toaster on top of 
CentOS 8, I'm a little apprehensive about the impact of the proposed changes.


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Re: [qmailtoaster] Future of qmailtoaster on CentOS?

[Eric Broch]

Do you have a qmailtoaster version installed on FreeBSD?

On 12/10/2020 2:41 PM, Tony White wrote:

Hi Eric,
  As to debian you can install the software called alien.
This will convert .rpm to .deb at the command line. I have
used alien and it does convert your packages properly. Thee
only items to check would be scripting.
  I will keep plodding on with my FreeBSD as it appears to
stable and viable and does not have systemd.

best wishes
  Tony White

On 11/12/20 2:35 am, Eric Broch wrote:


/Fellow QMT enthusiasts:
/

/I became concerned about the future of CentOS a week or so ago 
///(not a premonition just my natural paranoia) /prior to their 
announcement two days back and visited centos.org to relieve my 
fears. I was confident at that point that having gotten QMT/CentOS 8 
ready I was good to go for ~10 years. My confidence MAY have been 
hasty. I'm still not sure what drawbacks 'stream' is going to bring, 
if any, and like Angus am apprehensive. It's supposed to be an 
intermediate environment between Fedora and RHEL. In my opinion, to 
release CentOS 8 and then move it from downstream to upstream after 
people have already migrated is short-sighted at the very least, and 
its name Community Enterprise OS (8) is now a misnomer. Living in 
somewhat of a cocoon, I was completely unaware that RH "joined" 
CentOS. I've heard some say that we've been freeloading off CentOS 
for years and now it's time to pay up. Never mind that a free kernel 
is used and we actually test the software and report bugs. That said, 
I have REALLY enjoyed using CentOS since the beginning.

/

/That said, having a look at the old spec files from *-toaster 
designation days when we built the QMT for specific platforms, 
Fedora, was among them along with Suse, Mandrake, so, at the 
beginning QMT was used in a non-Enterprise environment. Anyway...

/

/Personally, I'm interested in both Debian and FreeBSD and would like 
to go back halfway to multi-platform builds while keeping the current 
QMT/CentOS 8 offering. This would mitigate the problems, if there are 
any, we are seeing now (hopefully). I guess it just depends on when 
(or if) the mega-corps buy up all of the Linux distributions and hang 
us all out to dry. Given the Felliniesque nature of the world today 
nothing would surprise me anymore.

/

/One advantage of having a ports like mail server is the ability, if 
one is inclined to dig a little beyond binary installs, to make 
changes on the fly without having to wait for packages from the repo./


/I've tried to install FreeBSD, although somewhat half-heartedly, on 
Proxmox serveral times with no success. If anyone has any hints I'm 
all ears...just my 2 cents./


/So, if anyone is working on installing QMT on another platform 
please keep us apprised of your successes. If you feel like writing 
it up, I'll post it to the web site.

/

/I'll be looking into converting to *.deb packages (like rpm's, 
binary ease of install) in some way (I tried using alien...on the 
website) which can be used on Ubuntu and Debian Linux. Back to work 
for me...

/

/Eric B.
/

On 12/9/2020 7:31 PM, Tony White wrote:

Hi all,
  Anyone interested in BSD either Free or Open?
I am starting to work on building a FreeBSD version
of this for myself. Would like to know if anyone
else is interested.

best wishes
  Tony White

On 10/12/20 6:49 am, Unai Rodriguez wrote:

Debian!

-- unai

On Wed, Dec 9, 2020, at 8:20 PM, Boheme wrote:

I’ve been meaning to learn to compile all the source for Ubuntu for a
while. This may be the kick in the pants I needed.

-Sent from my Pip-Boy 3000


On 10/12/2020, at 12:50 AM, Angus McIntyre  wrote:

Does anyone have any thoughts on the likely future of 
qmailtoaster given the new plans for CentOS?


(See https://centos.org/distro-faq/ for more details)

I'd never actually heard of CentOS Stream before today, but 
having just painfully built a working toaster on top of CentOS 8, 
I'm a little apprehensive about the impact of the proposed changes.


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Re: [qmailtoaster] Future of qmailtoaster on CentOS?

[Tony White]

Hi Eric,
  As to debian you can install the software called alien.
This will convert .rpm to .deb at the command line. I have
used alien and it does convert your packages properly. Thee
only items to check would be scripting.
  I will keep plodding on with my FreeBSD as it appears to
stable and viable and does not have systemd.

best wishes
  Tony White

On 11/12/20 2:35 am, Eric Broch wrote:


/Fellow QMT enthusiasts:
/

/I became concerned about the future of CentOS a week or so ago ///(not a premonition just my natural paranoia) /prior to 
their announcement two days back and visited centos.org to relieve my fears. I was confident at that point that having 
gotten QMT/CentOS 8 ready I was good to go for ~10 years. My confidence MAY have been hasty. I'm still not sure what 
drawbacks 'stream' is going to bring, if any, and like Angus am apprehensive. It's supposed to be an intermediate 
environment between Fedora and RHEL. In my opinion, to release CentOS 8 and then move it from downstream to upstream 
after people have already migrated is short-sighted at the very least, and its name Community Enterprise OS (8) is now a 
misnomer. Living in somewhat of a cocoon, I was completely unaware that RH "joined" CentOS. I've heard some say that 
we've been freeloading off CentOS for years and now it's time to pay up. Never mind that a free kernel is used and we 
actually test the software and report bugs. That said, I have REALLY enjoyed using CentOS since the beginning.

/

/That said, having a look at the old spec files from *-toaster designation days when we built the QMT for specific 
platforms, Fedora, was among them along with Suse, Mandrake, so, at the beginning QMT was used in a non-Enterprise 
environment. Anyway...

/

/Personally, I'm interested in both Debian and FreeBSD and would like to go back halfway to multi-platform builds while 
keeping the current QMT/CentOS 8 offering. This would mitigate the problems, if there are any, we are seeing now 
(hopefully). I guess it just depends on when (or if) the mega-corps buy up all of the Linux distributions and hang us all 
out to dry. Given the Felliniesque nature of the world today nothing would surprise me anymore.

/

/One advantage of having a ports like mail server is the ability, if one is inclined to dig a little beyond binary 
installs, to make changes on the fly without having to wait for packages from the repo./


/I've tried to install FreeBSD, although somewhat half-heartedly, on Proxmox serveral times with no success. If anyone 
has any hints I'm all ears...just my 2 cents./


/So, if anyone is working on installing QMT on another platform please keep us apprised of your successes. If you feel 
like writing it up, I'll post it to the web site.

/

/I'll be looking into converting to *.deb packages (like rpm's, binary ease of install) in some way (I tried using 
alien...on the website) which can be used on Ubuntu and Debian Linux. Back to work for me...

/

/Eric B.
/

On 12/9/2020 7:31 PM, Tony White wrote:

Hi all,
  Anyone interested in BSD either Free or Open?
I am starting to work on building a FreeBSD version
of this for myself. Would like to know if anyone
else is interested.

best wishes
  Tony White

On 10/12/20 6:49 am, Unai Rodriguez wrote:

Debian!

-- unai

On Wed, Dec 9, 2020, at 8:20 PM, Boheme wrote:

I’ve been meaning to learn to compile all the source for Ubuntu for a
while. This may be the kick in the pants I needed.

-Sent from my Pip-Boy 3000


On 10/12/2020, at 12:50 AM, Angus McIntyre  wrote:

Does anyone have any thoughts on the likely future of qmailtoaster given the 
new plans for CentOS?

(See https://centos.org/distro-faq/ for more details)

I'd never actually heard of CentOS Stream before today, but having just painfully built a working toaster on top of 
CentOS 8, I'm a little apprehensive about the impact of the proposed changes.


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Re: [qmailtoaster] Future of qmailtoaster on CentOS?

[Remo Mattei]

what link did you use to get the Rocky Linux ISO? I just did a quick search 
didn’t see much of an ISO. 

Thanks

> On Dec 10, 2020, at 8:29 AM, Havrla  wrote:
> 
> Helooo,
> 
> no panic, no Titanic.Wait, no fast
> 
> Yesterday flood, today sun. 
> 
> Yesterday CentOS, today Rocky Linux. 
> 
> What will happen tomorrow? We will wait and be wiser.
> 
> 
> 
> Havrla
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Dne 9.12.2020 v 12:50 Angus McIntyre napsal(a):
>> Does anyone have any thoughts on the likely future of qmailtoaster given the 
>> new plans for CentOS? 
>> 
>> (See https://centos.org/distro-faq/  for 
>> more details) 
>> 
>> I'd never actually heard of CentOS Stream before today, but having just 
>> painfully built a working toaster on top of CentOS 8, I'm a little 
>> apprehensive about the impact of the proposed changes. 
>> 
>> Comments? 
> 

Re: [qmailtoaster] Future of qmailtoaster on CentOS?

[Craig McLaughlin]

Hi Eric,

I think the announcement caught a lot of us by surprise - maybe I/we 
don't have the same paranoia you do.  From where I sit, I see more and 
more orgs moving toward Ubuntu for services vs FreeBSD / etc.  I'd be 
happy to try to scrape some rust off my brain and assist with package 
generation,testing, etc.


Specifically re: package creation, you might checkout fpm 
(https://github.com/jordansissel/fpm) .  I've used it many a time and 
it's wicked simple.  Ping me off-list maybe if you want to chat about CI 
pipelines, build systems, etc.


Cheers,
--Craig

On 12/10/20 8:35 AM, Eric Broch wrote:


/Fellow QMT enthusiasts:
/

/I became concerned about the future of CentOS a week or so ago 
///(not a premonition just my natural paranoia) /prior to their 
announcement two days back and visited centos.org to relieve my fears. 
I was confident at that point that having gotten QMT/CentOS 8 ready I 
was good to go for ~10 years. My confidence MAY have been hasty. I'm 
still not sure what drawbacks 'stream' is going to bring, if any, and 
like Angus am apprehensive. It's supposed to be an intermediate 
environment between Fedora and RHEL. In my opinion, to release CentOS 
8 and then move it from downstream to upstream after people have 
already migrated is short-sighted at the very least, and its name 
Community Enterprise OS (8) is now a misnomer. Living in somewhat of a 
cocoon, I was completely unaware that RH "joined" CentOS. I've heard 
some say that we've been freeloading off CentOS for years and now it's 
time to pay up. Never mind that a free kernel is used and we actually 
test the software and report bugs. That said, I have REALLY enjoyed 
using CentOS since the beginning.

/

/That said, having a look at the old spec files from *-toaster 
designation days when we built the QMT for specific platforms, Fedora, 
was among them along with Suse, Mandrake, so, at the beginning QMT was 
used in a non-Enterprise environment. Anyway...

/

/Personally, I'm interested in both Debian and FreeBSD and would like 
to go back halfway to multi-platform builds while keeping the current 
QMT/CentOS 8 offering. This would mitigate the problems, if there are 
any, we are seeing now (hopefully). I guess it just depends on when 
(or if) the mega-corps buy up all of the Linux distributions and hang 
us all out to dry. Given the Felliniesque nature of the world today 
nothing would surprise me anymore.

/

/One advantage of having a ports like mail server is the ability, if 
one is inclined to dig a little beyond binary installs, to make 
changes on the fly without having to wait for packages from the repo./


/I've tried to install FreeBSD, although somewhat half-heartedly, on 
Proxmox serveral times with no success. If anyone has any hints I'm 
all ears...just my 2 cents./


/So, if anyone is working on installing QMT on another platform please 
keep us apprised of your successes. If you feel like writing it up, 
I'll post it to the web site.

/

/I'll be looking into converting to *.deb packages (like rpm's, binary 
ease of install) in some way (I tried using alien...on the website) 
which can be used on Ubuntu and Debian Linux. Back to work for me...

/

/Eric B.
/

On 12/9/2020 7:31 PM, Tony White wrote:

Hi all,
  Anyone interested in BSD either Free or Open?
I am starting to work on building a FreeBSD version
of this for myself. Would like to know if anyone
else is interested.

best wishes
  Tony White

On 10/12/20 6:49 am, Unai Rodriguez wrote:

Debian!

-- unai

On Wed, Dec 9, 2020, at 8:20 PM, Boheme wrote:

I’ve been meaning to learn to compile all the source for Ubuntu for a
while. This may be the kick in the pants I needed.

-Sent from my Pip-Boy 3000


On 10/12/2020, at 12:50 AM, Angus McIntyre  wrote:

Does anyone have any thoughts on the likely future of 
qmailtoaster given the new plans for CentOS?


(See https://centos.org/distro-faq/ for more details)

I'd never actually heard of CentOS Stream before today, but having 
just painfully built a working toaster on top of CentOS 8, I'm a 
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Re: [qmailtoaster] Future of qmailtoaster on CentOS?

[Havrla]

Helooo,

no panic, no Titanic.    Wait, no fast

Yesterday flood, today sun.

Yesterday CentOS, today Rocky Linux.

What will happen tomorrow? We will wait and be wiser.


Havrla





Dne 9.12.2020 v 12:50 Angus McIntyre napsal(a):
Does anyone have any thoughts on the likely future of qmailtoaster 
given the new plans for CentOS?


(See https://centos.org/distro-faq/ for more details)

I'd never actually heard of CentOS Stream before today, but having 
just painfully built a working toaster on top of CentOS 8, I'm a 
little apprehensive about the impact of the proposed changes.


Comments?

Re: [qmailtoaster] Future of qmailtoaster on CentOS?

[Leonardo]

Doesn't FreebsdBrasil ProApps suite use Qmail Toaster at FreeBSD? 

I haven't use it so I'm not sure but seems like that is Qmail Toaster: 

https://proapps.com.br/apps/qmt 

Em 2020-12-10 12:35, Eric Broch escreveu:

> Fellow QMT enthusiasts:
> 
> _I became concerned about the future of CentOS a week or so ago __ (not a 
> premonition just my natural paranoia) _prior to their announcement two days 
> back and visited centos.org to relieve my fears. I was confident at that 
> point that having gotten QMT/CentOS 8 ready I was good to go for ~10 years. 
> My confidence MAY have been hasty. I'm still not sure what drawbacks 'stream' 
> is going to bring, if any, and like Angus am apprehensive. It's supposed to 
> be an intermediate environment between Fedora and RHEL. In my opinion, to 
> release CentOS 8 and then move it from downstream to upstream after people 
> have already migrated is short-sighted at the very least, and its name 
> Community Enterprise OS (8) is now a misnomer. Living in somewhat of a 
> cocoon, I was completely unaware that RH "joined" CentOS. I've heard some say 
> that we've been freeloading off CentOS for years and now it's time to pay up. 
> Never mind that a free kernel is used and we actually test the software and 
> report bugs. That
said, I have REALLY enjoyed using CentOS since the beginning. 
> 
> That said, having a look at the old spec files from *-toaster designation 
> days when we built the QMT for specific platforms, Fedora, was among them 
> along with Suse, Mandrake, so, at the beginning QMT was used in a 
> non-Enterprise environment. Anyway...
> 
> Personally, I'm interested in both Debian and FreeBSD and would like to go 
> back halfway to multi-platform builds while keeping the current QMT/CentOS 8 
> offering. This would mitigate the problems, if there are any, we are seeing 
> now (hopefully). I guess it just depends on when (or if) the mega-corps buy 
> up all of the Linux distributions and hang us all out to dry. Given the 
> Felliniesque nature of the world today nothing would surprise me anymore.
> 
> _One advantage of having a ports like mail server is the ability, if one is 
> inclined to dig a little beyond binary installs, to make changes on the fly 
> without having to wait for packages from the repo._ 
> 
> _I've tried to install FreeBSD, although somewhat half-heartedly, on Proxmox 
> serveral times with no success. If anyone has any hints I'm all ears...just 
> my 2 cents._ 
> 
> So, if anyone is working on installing QMT on another platform please keep us 
> apprised of your successes. If you feel like writing it up, I'll post it to 
> the web site.
> 
> I'll be looking into converting to *.deb packages (like rpm's, binary ease of 
> install) in some way (I tried using alien...on the website) which can be used 
> on Ubuntu and Debian Linux. Back to work for me...
> 
> Eric B.
> 
> On 12/9/2020 7:31 PM, Tony White wrote: Hi all, 
> Anyone interested in BSD either Free or Open? 
> I am starting to work on building a FreeBSD version 
> of this for myself. Would like to know if anyone 
> else is interested. 
> 
> best wishes 
> Tony White 
> 
> On 10/12/20 6:49 am, Unai Rodriguez wrote: 
> Debian! 
> 
> -- unai 
> 
> On Wed, Dec 9, 2020, at 8:20 PM, Boheme wrote: 
> I've been meaning to learn to compile all the source for Ubuntu for a 
> while. This may be the kick in the pants I needed. 
> 
> -Sent from my Pip-Boy 3000 
> 
> On 10/12/2020, at 12:50 AM, Angus McIntyre  wrote: 
> 
> Does anyone have any thoughts on the likely future of qmailtoaster given the 
> new plans for CentOS? 
> 
> (See https://centos.org/distro-faq/ for more details) 
> 
> I'd never actually heard of CentOS Stream before today, but having just 
> painfully built a working toaster on top of CentOS 8, I'm a little 
> apprehensive about the impact of the proposed changes. 
> 
> Comments? 
> 
> Angus 
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Re: [qmailtoaster] Future of qmailtoaster on CentOS?

[remo]

Wow this is not a great news about CentOS. I was at Red Hat when it was 
acquired and all my servers are running CentOS. Well for qmailtoater is to look 
at what Roberto has done since his site uses source and builds on Ubuntu but I 
am not that trilled to build that way even though I had one qmail running while 
back using Roberto’s. I think we can all merge what we learn and build 
something great. 

> Il giorno 10 dic 2020, alle ore 07:35, Eric Broch  
> ha scritto:
> 
> 
> Fellow QMT enthusiasts:
> 
> I became concerned about the future of CentOS a week or so ago (not a 
> premonition just my natural paranoia) prior to their announcement two days 
> back and visited centos.org to relieve my fears. I was confident at that 
> point that having gotten QMT/CentOS 8 ready I was good to go for ~10 years. 
> My confidence MAY have been hasty. I'm still not sure what drawbacks 'stream' 
> is going to bring, if any, and like Angus am apprehensive. It's supposed to 
> be an intermediate environment between Fedora and RHEL. In my opinion, to 
> release CentOS 8 and then move it from downstream to upstream after people 
> have already migrated is short-sighted at the very least, and its name 
> Community Enterprise OS (8) is now a misnomer. Living in somewhat of a 
> cocoon, I was completely unaware that RH "joined" CentOS. I've heard some say 
> that we've been freeloading off CentOS for years and now it's time to pay up. 
> Never mind that a free kernel is used and we actually test the software and 
> report bugs. That said, I have REALLY enjoyed using CentOS since the 
> beginning. 
> 
> That said, having a look at the old spec files from *-toaster designation 
> days when we built the QMT for specific platforms, Fedora, was among them 
> along with Suse, Mandrake, so, at the beginning QMT was used in a 
> non-Enterprise environment. Anyway...
> 
> Personally, I'm interested in both Debian and FreeBSD and would like to go 
> back halfway to multi-platform builds while keeping the current QMT/CentOS 8 
> offering. This would mitigate the problems, if there are any, we are seeing 
> now (hopefully). I guess it just depends on when (or if) the mega-corps buy 
> up all of the Linux distributions and hang us all out to dry. Given the 
> Felliniesque nature of the world today nothing would surprise me anymore.
> 
> One advantage of having a ports like mail server is the ability, if one is 
> inclined to dig a little beyond binary installs, to make changes on the fly 
> without having to wait for packages from the repo.
> 
> I've tried to install FreeBSD, although somewhat half-heartedly, on Proxmox 
> serveral times with no success. If anyone has any hints I'm all ears...just 
> my 2 cents.
> 
> So, if anyone is working on installing QMT on another platform please keep us 
> apprised of your successes. If you feel like writing it up, I'll post it to 
> the web site.
> 
> I'll be looking into converting to *.deb packages (like rpm's, binary ease of 
> install) in some way (I tried using alien...on the website) which can be used 
> on Ubuntu and Debian Linux. Back to work for me...
> 
> Eric B.
> 
>> On 12/9/2020 7:31 PM, Tony White wrote:
>> Hi all, 
>>   Anyone interested in BSD either Free or Open?
>> I am starting to work on building a FreeBSD version 
>> of this for myself. Would like to know if anyone 
>> else is interested. 
>> 
>> best wishes 
>>   Tony White 
>> 
>>> On 10/12/20 6:49 am, Unai Rodriguez wrote: 
>>> Debian! 
>>> 
>>> -- unai 
>>> 
 On Wed, Dec 9, 2020, at 8:20 PM, Boheme wrote: 
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 while. This may be the kick in the pants I needed. 
 
 -Sent from my Pip-Boy 3000 
 
> On 10/12/2020, at 12:50 AM, Angus McIntyre  wrote: 
> 
> Does anyone have any thoughts on the likely future of qmailtoaster given 
> the new plans for CentOS? 
> 
> (See https://centos.org/distro-faq/ for more details) 
> 
> I'd never actually heard of CentOS Stream before today, but having just 
> painfully built a working toaster on top of CentOS 8, I'm a little 
> apprehensive about the impact of the proposed changes. 
> 
> Comments? 
> 
> Angus 
> 
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Re: [qmailtoaster] Future of qmailtoaster on CentOS?

[Eric Broch]

/Fellow QMT enthusiasts:
/

/I became concerned about the future of CentOS a week or so ago ///(not 
a premonition just my natural paranoia) /prior to their announcement two 
days back and visited centos.org to relieve my fears. I was confident at 
that point that having gotten QMT/CentOS 8 ready I was good to go for 
~10 years. My confidence MAY have been hasty. I'm still not sure what 
drawbacks 'stream' is going to bring, if any, and like Angus am 
apprehensive. It's supposed to be an intermediate environment between 
Fedora and RHEL. In my opinion, to release CentOS 8 and then move it 
from downstream to upstream after people have already migrated is 
short-sighted at the very least, and its name Community Enterprise OS 
(8) is now a misnomer. Living in somewhat of a cocoon, I was completely 
unaware that RH "joined" CentOS. I've heard some say that we've been 
freeloading off CentOS for years and now it's time to pay up. Never mind 
that a free kernel is used and we actually test the software and report 
bugs. That said, I have REALLY enjoyed using CentOS since the beginning.

/

/That said, having a look at the old spec files from *-toaster 
designation days when we built the QMT for specific platforms, Fedora, 
was among them along with Suse, Mandrake, so, at the beginning QMT was 
used in a non-Enterprise environment. Anyway...

/

/Personally, I'm interested in both Debian and FreeBSD and would like to 
go back halfway to multi-platform builds while keeping the current 
QMT/CentOS 8 offering. This would mitigate the problems, if there are 
any, we are seeing now (hopefully). I guess it just depends on when (or 
if) the mega-corps buy up all of the Linux distributions and hang us all 
out to dry. Given the Felliniesque nature of the world today nothing 
would surprise me anymore.

/

/One advantage of having a ports like mail server is the ability, if one 
is inclined to dig a little beyond binary installs, to make changes on 
the fly without having to wait for packages from the repo./


/I've tried to install FreeBSD, although somewhat half-heartedly, on 
Proxmox serveral times with no success. If anyone has any hints I'm all 
ears...just my 2 cents./


/So, if anyone is working on installing QMT on another platform please 
keep us apprised of your successes. If you feel like writing it up, I'll 
post it to the web site.

/

/I'll be looking into converting to *.deb packages (like rpm's, binary 
ease of install) in some way (I tried using alien...on the website) 
which can be used on Ubuntu and Debian Linux. Back to work for me...

/

/Eric B.
/

On 12/9/2020 7:31 PM, Tony White wrote:

Hi all,
  Anyone interested in BSD either Free or Open?
I am starting to work on building a FreeBSD version
of this for myself. Would like to know if anyone
else is interested.

best wishes
  Tony White

On 10/12/20 6:49 am, Unai Rodriguez wrote:

Debian!

-- unai

On Wed, Dec 9, 2020, at 8:20 PM, Boheme wrote:

I’ve been meaning to learn to compile all the source for Ubuntu for a
while. This may be the kick in the pants I needed.

-Sent from my Pip-Boy 3000


On 10/12/2020, at 12:50 AM, Angus McIntyre  wrote:

Does anyone have any thoughts on the likely future of qmailtoaster 
given the new plans for CentOS?


(See https://centos.org/distro-faq/ for more details)

I'd never actually heard of CentOS Stream before today, but having 
just painfully built a working toaster on top of CentOS 8, I'm a 
little apprehensive about the impact of the proposed changes.


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Re: [qmailtoaster] Future of qmailtoaster on CentOS?

[Tony White]

Hi all,
  Anyone interested in BSD either Free or Open?
I am starting to work on building a FreeBSD version
of this for myself. Would like to know if anyone
else is interested.

best wishes
  Tony White

On 10/12/20 6:49 am, Unai Rodriguez wrote:

Debian!

-- unai

On Wed, Dec 9, 2020, at 8:20 PM, Boheme wrote:

I’ve been meaning to learn to compile all the source for Ubuntu for a
while. This may be the kick in the pants I needed.

-Sent from my Pip-Boy 3000


On 10/12/2020, at 12:50 AM, Angus McIntyre  wrote:

Does anyone have any thoughts on the likely future of qmailtoaster given the 
new plans for CentOS?

(See https://centos.org/distro-faq/ for more details)

I'd never actually heard of CentOS Stream before today, but having just 
painfully built a working toaster on top of CentOS 8, I'm a little apprehensive 
about the impact of the proposed changes.

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Re: [qmailtoaster] Future of qmailtoaster on CentOS?

[Unai Rodriguez]

Debian!

-- unai

On Wed, Dec 9, 2020, at 8:20 PM, Boheme wrote:
> I’ve been meaning to learn to compile all the source for Ubuntu for a 
> while. This may be the kick in the pants I needed. 
> 
> -Sent from my Pip-Boy 3000
> 
> > On 10/12/2020, at 12:50 AM, Angus McIntyre  wrote:
> > 
> > Does anyone have any thoughts on the likely future of qmailtoaster given 
> > the new plans for CentOS?
> > 
> > (See https://centos.org/distro-faq/ for more details)
> > 
> > I'd never actually heard of CentOS Stream before today, but having just 
> > painfully built a working toaster on top of CentOS 8, I'm a little 
> > apprehensive about the impact of the proposed changes.
> > 
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Re: [qmailtoaster] Future of qmailtoaster on CentOS?

[Boheme]

I’ve been meaning to learn to compile all the source for Ubuntu for a while. 
This may be the kick in the pants I needed. 

-Sent from my Pip-Boy 3000

> On 10/12/2020, at 12:50 AM, Angus McIntyre  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone have any thoughts on the likely future of qmailtoaster given the 
> new plans for CentOS?
> 
> (See https://centos.org/distro-faq/ for more details)
> 
> I'd never actually heard of CentOS Stream before today, but having just 
> painfully built a working toaster on top of CentOS 8, I'm a little 
> apprehensive about the impact of the proposed changes.
> 
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Re: [qmailtoaster] Future of qmailtoaster on CentOS?

[Gary Bowling]

  
  


Maybe it's time to move to a new distribution, looks like we have
  at least until 2024 to do it. 



Maybe arch linux? Or is there something similar to the original
  CentOS project?



Gary



On 12/9/2020 11:29 AM, Jeff Koch wrote:


  
  Sorry - I was looking at the
  RHEL life-cycle dates - but looking at the correct dates
  perhaps it's better to stay with CentOS 7 
  
  Jeff

  On 12/9/2020 11:07 AM, Eric Broch
wrote:
  
  

I thought that it said that CentOS 7 would be support through
  2024 and 8 through 2021?

On 12/9/2020 8:11 AM, Jeff Koch
  wrote:


  
  It appears CentOS 8 will
  continue to be support through 2024 - but this is
  concerning news - Jeff
  
  On 12/9/2020 7:20 AM, Eric Broch
wrote:
  
  https://www.change.org/p/centos-governing-board-do-not-destroy-centos-by-using-it-as-a-rhel-upstream


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Does anyone have any thoughts on the
  likely future of qmailtoaster given the new plans for
  CentOS? 
  
  (See https://centos.org/distro-faq/
  for more details) 
  
  I'd never actually heard of CentOS Stream before today,
  but having just painfully built a working toaster on top
  of CentOS 8, I'm a little apprehensive about the impact of
  the proposed changes. 
  
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Re: [qmailtoaster] Future of qmailtoaster on CentOS?

[Jeff Koch]

Sorry - I was looking at the RHEL life-cycle dates - but looking at the 
correct dates perhaps it's better to stay with CentOS 7


Jeff

On 12/9/2020 11:07 AM, Eric Broch wrote:


I thought that it said that CentOS 7 would be support through 2024 and 
8 through 2021?


On 12/9/2020 8:11 AM, Jeff Koch wrote:
It appears CentOS 8 will continue to be support through 2024 - but 
this is concerning news - Jeff


On 12/9/2020 7:20 AM, Eric Broch wrote:
https://www.change.org/p/centos-governing-board-do-not-destroy-centos-by-using-it-as-a-rhel-upstream 



On 12/9/2020 4:50 AM, Angus McIntyre wrote:
Does anyone have any thoughts on the likely future of qmailtoaster 
given the new plans for CentOS?


(See https://centos.org/distro-faq/ for more details)

I'd never actually heard of CentOS Stream before today, but having 
just painfully built a working toaster on top of CentOS 8, I'm a 
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Re: [qmailtoaster] Future of qmailtoaster on CentOS?

[Angus McIntyre]

According to https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/faq-centos-stream-updates, 
"Updates for the CentOS Linux 8 distribution continue until December 31, 
2021."


Having just finally got a toaster working on CentOS 8, I'm not too happy 
about this.


Angus

Eric Broch wrote on 12/9/20 11:07 AM:
I thought that it said that CentOS 7 would be support through 2024 and 8 
through 2021?


On 12/9/2020 8:11 AM, Jeff Koch wrote:
It appears CentOS 8 will continue to be support through 2024 - but 
this is concerning news - Jeff


On 12/9/2020 7:20 AM, Eric Broch wrote:
https://www.change.org/p/centos-governing-board-do-not-destroy-centos-by-using-it-as-a-rhel-upstream 



On 12/9/2020 4:50 AM, Angus McIntyre wrote:
Does anyone have any thoughts on the likely future of qmailtoaster 
given the new plans for CentOS?


(See https://centos.org/distro-faq/ for more details)

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Re: [qmailtoaster] Future of qmailtoaster on CentOS?

[Eric Broch]

I thought that it said that CentOS 7 would be support through 2024 and 8 
through 2021?


On 12/9/2020 8:11 AM, Jeff Koch wrote:
It appears CentOS 8 will continue to be support through 2024 - but 
this is concerning news - Jeff


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https://www.change.org/p/centos-governing-board-do-not-destroy-centos-by-using-it-as-a-rhel-upstream 



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Does anyone have any thoughts on the likely future of qmailtoaster 
given the new plans for CentOS?


(See https://centos.org/distro-faq/ for more details)

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Re: [qmailtoaster] Future of qmailtoaster on CentOS?

[Jeff Koch]

It appears CentOS 8 will continue to be support through 2024 - but this 
is concerning news - Jeff


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Does anyone have any thoughts on the likely future of qmailtoaster 
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(See https://centos.org/distro-faq/ for more details)

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Re: [qmailtoaster] Future of qmailtoaster on CentOS?

[Eric Broch]

https://fedoramagazine.org/fedora-and-centos-stream/

On 12/9/2020 4:50 AM, Angus McIntyre wrote:
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[Eric Broch]

https://www.change.org/p/centos-governing-board-do-not-destroy-centos-by-using-it-as-a-rhel-upstream

On 12/9/2020 4:50 AM, Angus McIntyre wrote:
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(See https://centos.org/distro-faq/ for more details)

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[Angus McIntyre]

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the new plans for CentOS?


(See https://centos.org/distro-faq/ for more details)

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