Re: [qooxdoo-devel] Qooxdoo Tutorial

2008-10-29 Thread stefan . hansel
I really like this tutorial, it should definitely be linked from the qooxdoo-pages ! Some (minor) suggestions: - as people are very visual, I'd embed an image of your app at the beginning to give people a clou where you are going - there is a short sentence about initializing your members in th

Re: [qooxdoo-devel] Writing robust selenium tests for qooxdoo

2008-10-14 Thread stefan . hansel
>> I'm not sure since I don't have much experience with Selenium >> assertions. But your approach seems quite cumbersome. Have you >> considered to e.g. use the 'waitForVisible()' assertion? Yes - this might be working ... but I had to do it all the time with different assertions. 'waitForIdle

[qooxdoo-devel] Writing robust selenium tests for qooxdoo

2008-10-11 Thread stefan . hansel
Hi there, as there seems to be some qooxdoo-related selenium knowledge available here, I hope someone might give some useful hints. Currently I'm trying to write some Selenium tests with Selenium IDE for a RAP-application and I have my first testcases working (thanks to the selenium-qooxdoo-e

Re: [qooxdoo-devel] qooxdoo 0.7.4 release

2008-09-23 Thread stefan . hansel
>> In this experiment I think that no deallocations should be taking place, >> as I am just creating a bunch of widgets. >> The results show that the memory consumption of my application in IE is >> a factor of 7 compared to Firefox. Based on your experience would you >> blame IE guilty for t

Re: [qooxdoo-devel] qooxdoo 0.7.4 release

2008-09-22 Thread stefan . hansel
IE uses more memory than all other browsers. For a typical application I'd expect around 50-150MB on IE (but not rising). Just open some of the qooxdoo-demo-apps and compare them in different browsers. You won't fall below that with RAP - but you won't fall below that with any other sophistic

Re: [qooxdoo-devel] qooxdoo 0.7.4 release

2008-09-22 Thread stefan . hansel
>> Do you know if qooxdoo developers are currently working to quickly >> finish the 0.7.4 release? How should I know ? I'm sure someone from the qooxdoo guys will answer soon. We are eagerly waiting for it as well. >> improvements make their way to a RAP build by the end of this year >> (coul

Re: [qooxdoo-devel] qooxdoo 0.7.4 release

2008-09-22 Thread stefan . hansel
Alex, The following todo still needs to be done on the qooxdoo 0.7.x branch, before it doesn't leak anymore (though also in the current 0.7.x-branch-head huge improvements on memory-consumptions were done already): http://bugzilla.qooxdoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1382 On the RAP side you can hav

Re: [qooxdoo-devel] Promising framework was: qooXdoo without any external tools: Yes I'd like this as well

2008-09-09 Thread stefan . hansel
>> so you would say that the quickstart we have offered for 0.7.x will be a >> good thing for 0.8.x as well? Yep - I think without the quickstart a didn't get into qooxdoo as I did (ok - the toolchain was more complicated in 0.7.x). The quickstart is so easy to use when you are not being forc

Re: [qooxdoo-devel] Promising framework was: qooXdoo without any external tools: Yes I'd like this as well

2008-09-09 Thread stefan . hansel
You can say what you want, but in our company there is a saying, that winning an argument is always loosing a customer. Fact is, that new people don't want to spent 30minutes, just to figure out, if qooxdoo is right for them. So in my opinion a pre-built package is a totally right thing to do.

Re: [qooxdoo-devel] 0.8: qx.event.Timer.once() can fire multiple times

2008-09-04 Thread stefan . hansel
verified, thanks for fixing. - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Ope

Re: [qooxdoo-devel] Findings on memory leak 0.7.x

2008-09-04 Thread stefan . hansel
I'm afraid this last question was overseen. I might be able to work a bit on this in the next three weeks and provide a patch. Of course I only want to start if I'm on the right way ;-) ... >> So supposing there exists a new destroy-method - then this would be solved >> in deferring the dispo

Re: [qooxdoo-devel] Findings on still open memory leaks 0.8

2008-09-02 Thread stefan . hansel
>We could add a check to class define and show warnings for this. Would >you open a bug report for this? #1353 - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based ap

Re: [qooxdoo-devel] Findings on still open memory leaks 0.8

2008-09-02 Thread stefan . hansel
>> BTW there is a small problem in your code: >>/* current call-stack */ >>__recursionInfo: *new* Array(), // <-- this array will be shared As a poor defense I could argue that after one run the array is empty again and JS is not multithreaded so far ;-) Anyway thanks for this hint - I r

[qooxdoo-devel] 0.8: qx.event.Timer.once() can fire multiple times

2008-08-31 Thread stefan . hansel
If the function that Timer.once() starts takes longer than the intervall it is kicked off multiple times. Problem is, that the Timer-object gets disposed only after the function was called. As I don't know whether it is allowed to dispose a Timer while it fires an event, this can be solved lik

Re: [qooxdoo-devel] Findings on still open memory leaks 0.8

2008-08-31 Thread stefan . hansel
>> I wrote a small class for finding the missing leaks. Actually it just scans the qx-namespace and >> prints all living object (and the first found reference-path to this >> object). Here it is for your usage (see below), simply called by: var leakSearcher=new JSLeakSearcher(); leakSea

Re: [qooxdoo-devel] Findings on still open memory leaks 0.8

2008-08-27 Thread stefan . hansel
>> This is interesting. I have dome something similar: I have added a unit >> test class, which asserts for each widget that it leaks no objects and >> no event listeners. Unfortunataly I won't be able to do any more work on this this week, but I think the 'Leakfinder' could just be added to t

Re: [qooxdoo-devel] Thoughts about ObjectRegistry

2008-08-27 Thread stefan . hansel
>>Have you any article about this issue found? I googled some hours but do >>not find anything relevant. In the source code of jquery and dojo I also >>do not find that they have seen such an issue. No - I don't have any article nor searched for it. I just realized it when doing all the tests

[qooxdoo-devel] Thoughts about ObjectRegistry

2008-08-26 Thread stefan . hansel
Some thoughts about the ObjectRegistry, now that this is the last source of memory leaks (at least in my small examples): As a reminder: maps written like the following: registry[hash] = obj with an ever-changing hash-value leak at least on IE7, even after correct deletion of key/value pairs. (

Re: [qooxdoo-devel] finding memory-leaks in 0.8

2008-08-26 Thread stefan . hansel
> will it be easy to find widgets for which it has been forgotten to > delete/dispose them? > When I make a new qooxdoo-0.8-app I want to be sure that all objects, > widgets... are destroyed correctly. Unfortunataly I can't think of any way that qooxdoo can provide a way to automatically 'test' w

[qooxdoo-devel] Findings on still open memory leaks 0.8

2008-08-26 Thread stefan . hansel
>> It got worse (using trunk rev 15905). >> After 3000 qx.ui.core.Widgets I stopped. Leaked already >50MB. As nothing seems to have further improved so far, I wrote a small class for finding the missing leaks. Actually it just scans the qx-namespace and prints all living object (and the first fo

Re: [qooxdoo-devel] Findings on memory leak 0.7.x

2008-08-26 Thread stefan . hansel
>> Mhh, sure, this method is executed. But the problem is in another >> place. When you call dispose the DOM element reference of each widget >> is removed. This way the removeChild call of the parent cannot work >> anymore. I see. So supposing there exists a new destroy-method - then this wou

Re: [qooxdoo-devel] Findings on memory leak 0.7.x

2008-08-22 Thread stefan . hansel
>>> If you call setParent(null) the DOM-node is correctly removed. Circular >>> references between widget and DOM are reset in the destructor of Widget. >>This is not the case in my opinion. The node is only removed after the >>layout queues etc. have been flushed which never happens for widge

Re: [qooxdoo-devel] Findings on memory leak 0.7.x

2008-08-22 Thread stefan . hansel
Good that it is known to the developers ;-) ... this should definitely be documented! Introducing a destroy method would be a good idea - and also a good place to document the differences to a simple dispose. I think that 'interims-disposes' as you call it are quite common, when creating 'sing

[qooxdoo-devel] Findings on memory leak 0.7.x

2008-08-22 Thread stefan . hansel
Sorry to disturb you with 0.7.x stuff, but as I wrote, also 0.7.3 (and 0.7.x_branch) has a huge memory leak (measured in IE 7). After some investigation, I realized that after disposal widgets still are referenced by their parent-widget (though invisble then) in the _children-array. Thats why

Re: [qooxdoo-devel] qooxdoo memory management

2008-08-20 Thread stefan . hansel
>> Again, I was under the impression that you have some (semi-) automatic >> test application that you could just re-run after an SVN update (comparing >> files sounds more like analysis). Maybe we could run this application on >> our side as well?! I posted this 'application' add the end of th

Re: [qooxdoo-devel] qooxdoo memory management

2008-08-20 Thread stefan . hansel
>> Until this mail the colloboration was quite friendly and your feedback >> was really helpful. So then sorry for overreacting a bit. After a long working day it was just too depressing to see the numbers drop so bad. To start collaboration again: your last checkin (15910) on ui.core.Widget co

Re: [qooxdoo-devel] qooxdoo memory management

2008-08-20 Thread stefan . hansel
>> Maybe you can re-run your tests again :) Most core disposer issues, >> especially LayoutItem, Widget, etc. were fixed. Would be interesting if >> this results in any improvements for your test. It got worse (using trunk rev 15905). After 3000 qx.ui.core.Widgets I stopped. Leaked already >50M

Re: [qooxdoo-devel] qooxdoo memory management

2008-08-20 Thread stefan . hansel
>> Yes, but the question I guess was: Is there a leak in 0.7?! O yes - at least as big as it was in 0.8 yesterday ... I only focused now on 0.8 because it was easier to debug/understand due to the new DOM-handling stuff. I just quote from my first posting: >> After 3000 Labels the IE7 memor

Re: [qooxdoo-devel] qooxdoo memory management

2008-08-19 Thread stefan . hansel
Have some great and some 'bad' news: great: the big memory problems of labels are gone 'bad': My claim that ui.core.Widgets have no memory-problem from the last post was wrong. This was from a test, where widgets were created and destroyed instantly, without adding them to the root. My current

[qooxdoo-devel] generated custom.js broken on trunk rev 15792

2008-08-19 Thread stefan . hansel
Pleas: if you change any script that handles pathes, test this scripts (under windows) ! Currently the generated 'custom.js' has the following line: uris : [["..\..\..\framework\source\class\qx\Bootstrap.js", slashes are the wrong way, thus these are illegal strings, thus th

Re: [qooxdoo-devel] Hello World -- can't find "create-application.py" in qooxdoo-0.8-beta1-sdk

2008-08-19 Thread stefan . hansel
>> Two days ago that mini-fix described here, didn't help, there was another >> failure later on which I couldn't resolve because I never worked with >> python before. >> >So you are saying you applied that patch 2 days ago, but then ran into >another problem?! Is this other problem gone now?

Re: [qooxdoo-devel] Hello World -- can't find "create-application.py" in qooxdoo-0.8-beta1-sdk

2008-08-19 Thread stefan . hansel
To reproduce (using windows): - check out trunk to 'C:\temp\qooxdoo trunk' (<- one space in path) - go to dir 'C:\temp\qooxdoo trunk\tool\bin' - call 'create-application.py --name TEST' (<- works) - switch to dir 'C:\TEMP\qooxdoo trunk\tool\bin\TEST' - call 'generate.py source' (<- nothing I c

Re: [qooxdoo-devel] qooxdoo memory management

2008-08-19 Thread stefan . hansel
>> Anyway, we'll have to take a very close look at the memory problems you have reported. Maybe to safe some time for further investigations: - For current tests I just use destroy- and no dispose-calls. - Using one class above Labels (i.e. Widgets) the memory consumption is not as drastic (tes

Re: [qooxdoo-devel] Hello World -- can't find "create-application.py" in qooxdoo-0.8-beta1-sdk

2008-08-19 Thread stefan . hansel
>> If this hints at a general problem we'd like to hear about it. When trying out the trunk (yesterday) I had the same problem. I can't remember whether this involved 'create-application.py', but 'generate.py' definitely had problems (on windows) when the current working folder has spaces in it

Re: [qooxdoo-devel] qooxdoo memory management

2008-08-15 Thread stefan . hansel
>> No, 0.7.3 has no such option. There is no equivalent. Since I'm still hoping that there is an easy solution for RAP and qooxdoo 0.7.3: How do I correctly get rid of a widget in 0.7.3 if not calling disconnect() (or setParent(null) ) and then dispose() ?

Re: [qooxdoo-devel] qooxdoo memory management

2008-08-14 Thread stefan . hansel
>> I would not be surprised if the base line memory consumption of the qooxdoo app >> is above GWT and dojo as qooxdoo widgets are probably more complex than those. No problem with that. >> BTW to my knowledge the RAP guys at Innoopract are working to add widget >> pooling in the next 0.8

Re: [qooxdoo-devel] qooxdoo memory management

2008-08-13 Thread stefan . hansel
If was asked to provide GWT-code as well, since it's not much I'll post the source here. To create a webapp, you'll have to download GWT 1.5, and do the following as described in the getting started guide ( http://code.google.com/webtoolkit/gettingstarted.html) 1) call 'projectCreator de.tolina

Re: [qooxdoo-devel] qooxdoo memory management

2008-08-13 Thread stefan . hansel
At least the sourcecode for the qooxdoo app ... if wanted I'll provide dojo + gwt source-code as well. qx.Class.define("Application", { extend : qx.application.Standalone, members : { map : new Array(), offset : 0, refresh: function(e) { for ( var int = 0; int <

[qooxdoo-devel] qooxdoo memory management

2008-08-13 Thread stefan . hansel
in this case is just hiding the fact that there is a memory problem. I planned to provide my qooxdoo-(0.8)-script, as well as GWT and Dojo examples of the same scenario as a comparison. Unfortunataly the newsgroup doesn't accept this - any idea how i can provide this ? Y