date:20050130

I would be interested to hear anyone on this site's view of the movie once they have seen it.  Especially the ultimate liberal Tony.  :-)Billy[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 1/30/2005 6:55:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I agree that Clint Eastwood was not the writer, but most directors, especially one with the clout of Eastwood, have the ability to manipulate a script the way they see fit. It may have been written that way originally, or it may have been slightly altered. We will never know. From what I have read, the film is fantastic except for the tragic ending. I personally feel he is an extraordinary director, but I really dislike the man for many of the things he has done over the years. However, there are other directors and actors which I personally do not like, but admit that they are extremely talented and I still enjoy watching them work at their craft. Much like some of the professional athletes which seem equally at home on the court or field, as well as in a jail cell.BillyHillary Swank was just on 60 Minutesshe's a great story, herself, and veryyy intriguing woman to me.  Sold me on the movie...-tony 
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Re: [QUAD-L] Million Dollar Baby

2005-01-30 Thread TonyPony1

In a message dated 1/30/2005 6:55:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


I agree that Clint Eastwood was not the writer, but most directors, especially one with the clout of Eastwood, have the ability to manipulate a script the way they see fit. It may have been written that way originally, or it may have been slightly altered. We will never know. From what I have read, the film is fantastic except for the tragic ending. I personally feel he is an extraordinary director, but I really dislike the man for many of the things he has done over the years. However, there are other directors and actors which I personally do not like, but admit that they are extremely talented and I still enjoy watching them work at their craft. Much like some of the professional athletes which seem equally at home on the court or field, as well as in a jail cell.

 Billy




Hillary Swank was just on 60 Minutesshe's a great story, herself, and veryyy intriguing woman to me.  Sold me on the movie...

-tony

[QUAD-L] Video stuff

Title: Video stuff






I tried following my own instructions and it didn't work

Don't click the link-put it in the address bar, but it is www.real.com

Download free version


Next type www.realguide.com

Click MUSIC on the left margin

I forgot this step- click MUSIC VIDEO SPOTLIGHT

Click on Jennifer's new video

Suffer through a Listerine commercial

Enjoy



It's worth it

[QUAD-L] News special on the VA


Did anyone see the NBC News special last Wednesday night about the current state of the VA Healthcare system? Interestingly enough, the hospital in which they did all of the interviews is the Tampa spinal cord injury clinic. This is my clinic and it is one of the more advanced SCI units. It is attached to the Tampa VA Hospital.Billy from TampaC2-39 years post
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Re: [QUAD-L] HOLY BABE, Batman

That was pretty good, but then I went to the video section and shows the section that said "Are You Ready to Rock."  They have a song by Triumph the Insult Comic Dog and it is fantastically funny.Cameron Wallace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Here's something everyone can agree on Yes, Jennifer Lopez is crazy.but SHEESH!! 
If you need to download REALPLAYER media player Go to www.real.com -make sure it's the free version 
Then www.realguide.com music section Click Jennifer Lopez' new video "Get Right" The music is dance music and pretty good, but it's all about all the Lopez'.AI CHI WA-WA! -Cameron 
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Re: [QUAD-L] Million Dollar Baby


I agree that Clint Eastwood was not the writer, but most directors, especially one with the clout of Eastwood, have the ability to manipulate a script the way they see fit. It may have been written that way originally, or it may have been slightly altered. We will never know. From what I have read, the film is fantastic except for the tragic ending. I personally feel he is an extraordinary director, but I really dislike the man for many of the things he has done over the years. However, there are other directors and actors which I personally do not like, but admit that they are extremely talented and I still enjoy watching them work at their craft. Much like some of the professional athletes which seem equally at home on the court or field, as well as in a jail cell.
Billy
just my opinion. I could be wrong.Eric Olson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Gang,Even if Clint does view the disabled this way, he didn't actually write the screenplay. This is from the movie's website. The screenplay is by PAUL HAGGIS, based upon stories from "Rope Burns" by F.X. Toole.Granted, Clint could have chosen not to direct this movie, but a friend that saw it said 95 percent of the movie is really good and has nothing to do with disabilities. It just takes a tragic turn at the end, which in many people's opinion, ruins the movie. Eric
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[QUAD-L] HOLY BABE, Batman

Title: HOLY BABE, Batman






Here's something everyone can agree on

Yes, Jennifer Lopez is crazy…….but SHEESH!!


If you need to download REALPLAYER media player

Go to www.real.com -make sure it's the free version


Then www.realguide.com music section

Click Jennifer Lopez' new video "Get Right"

The music is dance music and pretty good, but it's all about all the Lopez'…….AI CHI WA-WA!

-Cameron

Re: [QUAD-L] Re: MD

Title: Re: [QUAD-L] Re: MD




LOL Houston.  Sounds like a plan. 

  - Original Message - 
  From: Houston809 
  To: Stacy Harim ; Don and 
  Sharon Hiatt 
  Cc: quadlist 
  Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 5:40 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Re: MD
  Stacy,Id LOVE 2 go 2 the boardwalk with U :) 
  & have your # also :)Just joking Sweetie but when Im out your way Im 
  going 2 get with you. Houston On 1/30/05 4:04 PM, "Stacy 
  Harim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote:
  Oh and it's 
a miracle that we are seeing some snow here.  We don't get much at the 
Ocean.  Salisbury University is about 30 minutes away and they got a 
ton. I had a horrible time tryng to get through the campus.  It was 
pure ice last week.  I'm going to email the university president about 
it but I truly hope it's clear on Tues because I have to actually switch 
buildings and only have 15 minutes inbetween classes.  I'm not looking 
forward to it.  I hope its clear. Stacy
- 
  Original Message -  From: Don and  Sharon 
  Hiatt  
    To: Stacy Harim  
    Cc: quad  
    Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 11:12 
   AM Subject: Re: 
  MD  Hi Stacy!  More snow 
  today.  ;)  I  don't know if you remember but we exchanged 
  email about 2 years ago when my  family and I were heading to O.C. fr 
  a daytrip. At that time you weren't ready  to go to O.C. yet. 
   Have you been yet?  Sharon
  - Original Message - 
 From:  Stacy Harim  
  To: Don and  Sharon Hiatt  
  Cc: quad  
  Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 1:12 
 AM Subject: Re: 
MD   None.  Just a ton of rain. 
 We luck out here by the  ocean.  Humidity in the air. 
 I am from Laurel originally.   We used to skip school 
and go to Columbia mall since the security guards  knew us in 
Laurel.  I miss those 
days.   Stacy
<>

Re: [QUAD-L] Re: MD

Title: Re: [QUAD-L] Re: MD



Stacy,
I’d LOVE 2 go 2 the boardwalk with U :) & have your # also :)
Just joking Sweetie but when I’m out your way I’m going 2 get with you. 
Houston 


On 1/30/05 4:04 PM, "Stacy Harim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Oh and it's a miracle that we are seeing some snow here.  We don't get much at the Ocean.  Salisbury University is about 30 minutes away and they got a ton. I had a horrible time tryng to get through the campus.  It was pure ice last week.  I'm going to email the university president about it but I truly hope it's clear on Tues because I have to actually switch buildings and only have 15 minutes inbetween classes.  I'm not looking forward to it.  I hope its clear.
 
Stacy
 
- Original Message - 
 
From: Don and  Sharon Hiatt   
 
To: Stacy Harim   
 
Cc: quad   
 
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 11:12  AM
 
Subject: Re: MD
 

 
Hi Stacy!
 
 
 
More snow today.  ;)  I  don't know if you remember but we exchanged email about 2 years ago when my  family and I were heading to O.C. fr a daytrip. At that time you weren't ready  to go to O.C. yet.  Have you been yet?
 
 
 
Sharon
 
 
- Original Message - 
 
From:  Stacy Harim   
 
To: Don and  Sharon Hiatt   
 
Cc: quad   
 
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 1:12  AM
 
Subject: Re: MD
 

 
 
None.  Just a ton of rain.  We luck out here by the  ocean.  Humidity in the air.  I am from Laurel originally.   We used to skip school and go to Columbia mall since the security guards  knew us in Laurel.  I miss those days.
 
 
 
Stacy

Re: [QUAD-L] Movie- Clint Eastwood

Title: Re: [QUAD-L] Movie- Clint Eastwood



Well said Andréa,
There's a lot of cuts across the board 2 get $$$  for this war that is technically over but more men die everyday... And more than when the war was on. They’ll take a little better care of the disabled simply because we’ve progressed in medicine since the 70’s. The President that I didn’t vote 4 but will back with my life the same goes 4 this elected governor. I’ll just have 2 support there decisions that they say are necessary. I’ll die b4 I live in a nursing home again

On 1/30/05 4:01 PM, "andrea murray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Well, 
I think that is how our Present Bush feel about the Disability world. He and the Governor of Indiana is cutting Medicaid. We all better stand in a line and be shoot. That will help Bush save more money for THE WAR!!  It will be just like the Vietnam war after our men come home with some kind of disability. They will have to fight to get back the ADA. Are you going to just set back and let our government pick apart the ADA Law that we fought so hard to get. As for Clint Eastwood( he does not make my day! ) I will fight until the end to save my brothers and sisters. 
Wheelchair Warrior


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you remember... Clint Eastwood was sued for noncompliant restaurant, which 
he owned. I believe that he lost that case and was bitter about its lost. 
Some believe that he shows his feelings in the endings of the movie with he 
directed.
W

In a message dated 1/29/05 2:26:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< Million Dollar Baby is up for several academy awards How sad and cruel 
for Clint Eastwood to be at it again in his disdain for people with 
disabilities in an attempt to seek sympathy for killers of people with disabilities... 
please read "Not Dead Yet's" review and view below.

Daniese McMullin-Powell
ADAPT Delaware
Not Dead Yet, Delaware >>


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Re: [QUAD-L] RE: Queer & disabled

2005-01-30 Thread River Wolfe

Hey there Houston:

I didn't take offense at all.  I was simply giving you a hard way to go ;-)

River
On Jan 30, 2005, at 2:04 PM, Houston809 wrote:

Well I guess I opened a can of worms or SNAKES this time. I TRULY APPOLOGIZE for anyone that I’ve offended.

RE: [QUAD-L] RE: Queer & disabled

Title: Message



Houston
I 
think you wrote what people feel but don't say. I would much rather have someone 
be direct about any question about anything. rather than harbor the prejudice in 
silence and never change . It seems this list is chock full of people 
ready to give it a shot. We should all steer away from trying to "shut down" 
anyone dealing with misconceptions..but kill  all 
bigots;)
regards, Cameron

  
  -Original Message-From: Houston809 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 
  2:04 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quadlistSubject: [QUAD-L] 
  RE: Queer & disabledWell I guess I opened a can of worms or SNAKES this 
  time. I TRULY APPOLOGIZE for anyone that I’ve offended. I’m usually more 
  thoughtful before I open my mouth, but I slipped up. Things happen... 4 those 
  that don’t know me think as U will... 4 those that do know me ... Well U know 
  me there’s no need 2 speak up or say anything on my behalf... I’m a grown man 
  & will stand on anything I’ve said...About the movie I’ve always 
  loved Clint Eastwood as an actor & director ...  Morgan freeman I 
  love as an actor ... He’s pretty adamant about picking movie scripts and the 
  characters... I’ll have 2 see and judge 4 myself... Clint I didn’t know had 
  those views about disabilitiesI don’t know what dr. your son had but 
  he should’ve been sued 7 lose his license 2 practice. I wanted 2 die after I 
  1st became a quad ... But if my Dr. would’ve said it he’d have gotten cursed 
  out.On 1/30/05 1:18 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  What is the big deal about being Gay and 
disabled. I've had many emails that are the same words, do you not know how 
to copy and paste and why not quit repeating what someone else has already 
said. I'm sure there are many disabled people that may be gay but that 
is the lifestyle they choose.As for this movie business, if this is how Clint 
Eastwood really feels..it will come back to haunt 
him.My son John who had the stroke was 
told by his Dr that " he would rather die than live as a quad" but my son 
believes that would be suicide and chose to live. God gave him another 
chance to recover and become a Christian. Last year he became a Christian 
and was baptized in the local rehab's heated pool.Carol in 
KY

[QUAD-L] Million Dollar Baby

2005-01-30 Thread Eric Olson

Gang,
Even if Clint does view the disabled this way, he didn't actually write 
the screenplay.  This is from the movie's website. 

The screenplay is by PAUL HAGGIS, based upon stories from "Rope Burns" 
by F.X. Toole.

Granted, Clint could have chosen not to direct this movie, but a friend 
that saw it said 95 percent of the movie is really good and has nothing 
to do with disabilities.  It just takes a tragic turn at the end, which 
in many people's opinion, ruins the movie. 

Eric

Re: [QUAD-L] chat/public trans/school





I'll look into it, but it's strange that it's through the tri county 
council that determined how much it would be.  I'll contact my state rep 
about it.
 
Stacy

  - Original Message - 
  From: Houston809 
  To: Dana Miller ; quadlist 
  Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 2:32 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] chat/public 
  trans/school
  I agree that¹s discrimination you also should get in touch with 
  the civilrights commission of your state it sounds like it could also be 
  violatingyour civil rights. But definitely an ADA violation.On 
  1/30/05 1:58 PM, "Dana Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> 
  Wouldn't that be descrimination due to a disability!  I think a visit to 
  an> advocate office or phone call to one might be called for.  
  Even tho you will> be driving yourself eventually, what they are doing 
  is against the law.> take care, I hope you get to drive as soon as 
  possible!> > My life would be so much better if I could 
  drive.  I "can/' drive, just> cannot afford a new enough van, 
  don't work or go to school, so voc rehab> will not begin to look into 
  it.  ugh> > Dana> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Original 
  Message -> From: "Stacy Harim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> 
  To: "Houston809" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
  "quadlist"> ; "David K. 
  Kelmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> 
  Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 6:35 PM> Subject: [QUAD-L] chat/public 
  trans/school> > > I don't think you all are going to see 
  much of me in there.  School has now> started back up and I have a 
  pretty hard schedule.  I don't know how active> I will be with the 
  list either.  I had transcript issues and stuck having> the 
  earliest classes.  I think it will be all I have just to handle 
  the> classes.  Mon, Wed, and Fri, I have an 8 oclock class and I 
  since I rely on> the most unreliable public transportation, I am 
  getting picked up at 6:30> when the school is 40 mins away with the 
  time it takes to tie or lock me> down in the bus.> > The 
  transit  charges double for disabled who require door to door.  In 
  the> fixed rides that AB's take, the cost of the ride is 2 dollars and 
  an> additional dollar if they need to transfer.  If they live on 
  an off beaten> path more than 3/4 of a mile they can get a ride to the 
  bus stop for an> additional dollar.  Disabled who require curb to 
  curb service have to pay> double what AB's pay. I have curb to curb 
  service and still pay as I live in> a rural area and hardly live in a 
  rural area.  I'm fighting hard about that> as I live a half mile 
  from the highway.  That's hardly rural.  I then have> to pay 
  for transfer points that I don't use because I ride directly.  I 
  ride> directly there and directly back.  Before the tri county 
  govt. took over I> was taking a different company for school and only 
  paying 4 dollars no> matter what.  Now I am paying 6 or more each 
  way.  I tried to get a ride for> Monday but couldn't get a hold of 
  anyone to schedule it on Friday.> > My van is tagged and ready 
  to get the work on the modifications however the> man from voc rehab 
  that was supposed to come go over the stuff for the test> when I was 
  approved from the DMV is on medical leave and I now have to wait> until 
  April to do so.  That will make it over a year and a half since I 
  have> been working with voc rehab to get my license.  The sad 
  thing is that my> license from before I got sick is still valid.  
  How much trouble would I get> into for using that to go down the street 
  to practice my parking or driving> around the neighborhood and 
  practicing my 3pt turns at the dead ends?  I'm> pretty damn 
  irritated with the whole system.  Does anyone else have any> 
  problems like this with their public transportation?> > 
  Stacy> - Original Message -> From: David K. Kelmer> 
  To: Houston809 
  ;> quadlist> 
  Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 4:00 PM> Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Chat 
  2day> > > It's 3:00 P.M. and I'm there.> > 
  With Love,> > CtrlAltDel aka Dave> C4/5 Complete - 28 
  Years Post> Texas, USA> > Houston809 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>> 
  wrote:>   If you're going 2 chat 2day let me know 
  time>   Place is DisabledOfAmerica> >

I have only told my immediate family about the controversy because I feel they would be deeply offended, but I don't want to press my feelings on to other unsuspecting individuals who are going to enjoy the film. Who knows, maybe this will provoke some stimulating conversation outside of the disabled community.I wonder what Christopher Reed would have said about this film.Billy from TampaC2-39 years post[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I haven't seen the movie yet, River, but I know that it has raised major issues with the advocate group "Not Dead Yet" crowd in Chicago. They have demonstrated several times passing out literature to those attending including national movie critics.As consumers, we see movies of death and torture, as well as dangerous stunts. I sincerely hope that we don't consider those actions to standard in our civil life.Same could be said about the movie as I don't wish to reveal the end of it for those who may not have seen it yet.Best WishesWIn a message dated 1/29/05 7:59:54 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:<< Why is no one talking about this movie? I had no clue it portrayed disability in such a way. I was going to go see it, but not now. I don't want to give it away if you want to see it, but am wondering why the
blatant inaccuracies and "death is better than disabled" viewpoint isn't getting more media coverage. Esp since the National Spinal Cord Injury Assoc. has come out against it. Maybe I'm late and it's already been discussed here? >>
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[QUAD-L] Re: MD

Title: Re: [QUAD-L] Cold!




Oh and it's a miracle that we are seeing some snow here.  We don't get 
much at the Ocean.  Salisbury University is about 30 minutes away and they 
got a ton. I had a horrible time tryng to get through the campus.  It was 
pure ice last week.  I'm going to email the university president about it 
but I truly hope it's clear on Tues because I have to actually switch buildings 
and only have 15 minutes inbetween classes.  I'm not looking forward to 
it.  I hope its clear.
 
Stacy

  - Original Message - 
  From: Don and 
  Sharon Hiatt 
  To: Stacy Harim 
  Cc: quad 
  Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 11:12 
  AM
  Subject: Re: MD
  
  Hi Stacy!
   
  More snow today.  ;)  I 
  don't know if you remember but we exchanged email about 2 years ago when my 
  family and I were heading to O.C. fr a daytrip. At that time you weren't ready 
  to go to O.C. yet.  Have you been yet?
   
  Sharon
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Stacy Harim 
To: Don and 
Sharon Hiatt 
Cc: quad 
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 1:12 
AM
Subject: Re: MD


None.  Just a ton of rain.  We luck out here by the 
ocean.  Humidity in the air.  I am from Laurel originally.  
We used to skip school and go to Columbia mall since the security guards 
knew us in Laurel.  I miss those days.
 
Stacy

[QUAD-L] Re: MD

Title: Re: [QUAD-L] Cold!




Of course I have been to Ocean City.  I live there, well right outside 
but mailing address is Ocean City.  I just haven't been to the beach 
itself.  I do go to the boardwalk and that kind of stuff.  I'm not one 
to just sit in the sun.  Before I got sick I was like that.  I was 
always in the water or walking around talking.  A lot of my friends also 
lived on the same street as me so I would run into a lot of people when I went. 
I don't see myself going to the beach to just sit there now and watch other 
people swim.  In the summer if you want to meet up for an afternoon to go 
to the boardwalk or something just let me know.  I can give you my 
number.
 
Stacy

  - Original Message - 
  From: Don and 
  Sharon Hiatt 
  To: Stacy Harim 
  Cc: quad 
  Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 11:12 
  AM
  Subject: Re: MD
  
  Hi Stacy!
   
  More snow today.  ;)  I 
  don't know if you remember but we exchanged email about 2 years ago when my 
  family and I were heading to O.C. fr a daytrip. At that time you weren't ready 
  to go to O.C. yet.  Have you been yet?
   
  Sharon
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Stacy Harim 
To: Don and 
Sharon Hiatt 
Cc: quad 
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 1:12 
AM
Subject: Re: MD


None.  Just a ton of rain.  We luck out here by the 
ocean.  Humidity in the air.  I am from Laurel originally.  
We used to skip school and go to Columbia mall since the security guards 
knew us in Laurel.  I miss those days.
 
Stacy

Re: [QUAD-L] RE: Queer & disabled

2005-01-30 Thread Jkrocks



 

I copy that River.  The question that I have though it is, if they're 
gay people that wish they want to be straight, why can't they?
 
Jim

Re: [QUAD-L] Movie- Clint Eastwood

2005-01-30 Thread andrea murray





Well, 
I think that is how our Present Bush feel about the Disability world. He and the Governor of Indiana is cutting Medicaid. We all better stand in a line and be shoot. That will help Bush save more money for THE WAR!!  It will be just like the Vietnam war after our men come home with some kind of disability. They will have to fight to get back the ADA. Are you going to just set back and let our government pick apart the ADA Law that we fought so hard to get. As for Clint Eastwood( he does not make my day! ) I will fight until the end to save my brothers and sisters. 
Wheelchair Warrior
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you remember... Clint Eastwood was sued for noncompliant restaurant, which he owned. I believe that he lost that case and was bitter about its lost. Some believe that he shows his feelings in the endings of the movie with he directed.WIn a message dated 1/29/05 2:26:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:<< Million Dollar Baby is up for several academy awards How sad and cruel for Clint Eastwood to be at it again in his disdain for people with disabilities in an attempt to seek sympathy for killers of people with disabilities... please read "Not Dead Yet's" review and view below.Daniese McMullin-PowellADAPT DelawareNot Dead Yet, Delaware >>
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Re: [QUAD-L] Paralysis Device Human Trial Can't Match Canine Success

2005-01-30 Thread Jkrocks



 

Having small results like these is better than nothing at all.  After 
all, Rome was not built in a day.  I'm just happy that their scientists out 
there that are actually trying to find a cure and it might not be in my lifetime 
but it might be in some of the younger people on this list.
 
Jim

[QUAD-L] RESEND*** YO! ,Does no one use this? Oxytrol-patch

Title: RESEND*** YO! ,Does no one use this? Oxytrol-patch 






Hello peeps

What are your feelings about OXYTROL as an alternative to DETROL and other drugs to control urinary urgency?

Regards, CW

[QUAD-L] Welcome to quadlist

2005-01-30 Thread Lana Baugh




Sharon, 
 
Welcome to the quadlist. I don't post much. I learn a lot from 
just reading. I also get some good laughs. I'm a mom. My son has CP and had his 
injury at age 22.(surgery gone bad). He has some difficulties and has chosen not 
to participate in the list. I have only met one other person with a 
diagnosis of CP and SCI. The combination makes for double the spasticity 
for Gabe. He has a baclofen pump and he really feels better. 
 
I look forward to your posts.
 
Lana,
Mom of Gabe 32 C-4/5 nine years 
post

Re: [QUAD-L] chat/public trans/school

2005-01-30 Thread Jkrocks




Stacey,
 
I don't use public transportation but we do have a handicap service that is 
run by the city bus service that will bring your door to door for only $2 as of 
a year ago.  My license was about to run out before I started my driver 
training.  I had no trouble renewing my license and I did not even need any 
restrictions on it because it's pretty obvious that I'm not going to be able to 
get behind the wheel of a normal vehicle without major modifications.  It 
was my choice after I took my drivers training to take a drivers test to have 
restrictions put on my license.  I saw no reason to do this and there is no 
law in Minnesota stating that I need to do this so I never did.
 
Jim

Re: [QUAD-L] RE: Queer & disabled

2005-01-30 Thread Keith Hogan

A person's sexual orientation is not a choice. BTW - What do you consider the "gay lifestyle" to be?
 
Keith[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


What is the big deal about being Gay and disabled. I've had many emails that are the same words, do you not know how to copy and paste and why not quit repeating what someone else has already said. 
I'm sure there are many disabled people that may be gay but that is the lifestyle they choose.
 
As for this movie business, if this is how Clint Eastwood really feels..it will come back to haunt him.
 
My son John who had the stroke was told by his Dr that " he would rather die than live as a quad" but my son believes that would be suicide and chose to live. God gave him another chance to recover and become a Christian. Last year he became a Christian and was baptized in the local rehab's heated pool.
Carol in KYKeith Yahoo Messenger: kh78748Skype: kh78748

Re: [QUAD-L] chat/public trans/school

I agree that¹s discrimination you also should get in touch with the civil
rights commission of your state it sounds like it could also be violating
your civil rights. But definitely an ADA violation.


On 1/30/05 1:58 PM, "Dana Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Wouldn't that be descrimination due to a disability!  I think a visit to an
> advocate office or phone call to one might be called for.  Even tho you will
> be driving yourself eventually, what they are doing is against the law.
> take care, I hope you get to drive as soon as possible!
> 
> My life would be so much better if I could drive.  I "can/' drive, just
> cannot afford a new enough van, don't work or go to school, so voc rehab
> will not begin to look into it.  ugh
> 
> Dana
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> - Original Message -
> From: "Stacy Harim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Houston809" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "quadlist"
> ; "David K. Kelmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 6:35 PM
> Subject: [QUAD-L] chat/public trans/school
> 
> 
> I don't think you all are going to see much of me in there.  School has now
> started back up and I have a pretty hard schedule.  I don't know how active
> I will be with the list either.  I had transcript issues and stuck having
> the earliest classes.  I think it will be all I have just to handle the
> classes.  Mon, Wed, and Fri, I have an 8 oclock class and I since I rely on
> the most unreliable public transportation, I am getting picked up at 6:30
> when the school is 40 mins away with the time it takes to tie or lock me
> down in the bus.
> 
> The transit  charges double for disabled who require door to door.  In the
> fixed rides that AB's take, the cost of the ride is 2 dollars and an
> additional dollar if they need to transfer.  If they live on an off beaten
> path more than 3/4 of a mile they can get a ride to the bus stop for an
> additional dollar.  Disabled who require curb to curb service have to pay
> double what AB's pay. I have curb to curb service and still pay as I live in
> a rural area and hardly live in a rural area.  I'm fighting hard about that
> as I live a half mile from the highway.  That's hardly rural.  I then have
> to pay for transfer points that I don't use because I ride directly.  I ride
> directly there and directly back.  Before the tri county govt. took over I
> was taking a different company for school and only paying 4 dollars no
> matter what.  Now I am paying 6 or more each way.  I tried to get a ride for
> Monday but couldn't get a hold of anyone to schedule it on Friday.
> 
> My van is tagged and ready to get the work on the modifications however the
> man from voc rehab that was supposed to come go over the stuff for the test
> when I was approved from the DMV is on medical leave and I now have to wait
> until April to do so.  That will make it over a year and a half since I have
> been working with voc rehab to get my license.  The sad thing is that my
> license from before I got sick is still valid.  How much trouble would I get
> into for using that to go down the street to practice my parking or driving
> around the neighborhood and practicing my 3pt turns at the dead ends?  I'm
> pretty damn irritated with the whole system.  Does anyone else have any
> problems like this with their public transportation?
> 
> Stacy
> - Original Message -
> From: David K. Kelmer
> To: Houston809 ;
> quadlist
> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 4:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Chat 2day
> 
> 
> It's 3:00 P.M. and I'm there.
> 
> With Love,
> 
> CtrlAltDel aka Dave
> C4/5 Complete - 28 Years Post
> Texas, USA
> 
> Houston809 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>   If you're going 2 chat 2day let me know time
>   Place is DisabledOfAmerica
> 
>

Re: [QUAD-L] chat/public trans/school

2005-01-30 Thread Dana Miller

Wouldn't that be descrimination due to a disability!  I think a visit to an 
advocate office or phone call to one might be called for.  Even tho you will 
be driving yourself eventually, what they are doing is against the law. 
take care, I hope you get to drive as soon as possible!

My life would be so much better if I could drive.  I "can/' drive, just 
cannot afford a new enough van, don't work or go to school, so voc rehab 
will not begin to look into it.  ugh

Dana
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message - 
From: "Stacy Harim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Houston809" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "quadlist" 
; "David K. Kelmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 6:35 PM
Subject: [QUAD-L] chat/public trans/school

I don't think you all are going to see much of me in there.  School has now 
started back up and I have a pretty hard schedule.  I don't know how active 
I will be with the list either.  I had transcript issues and stuck having 
the earliest classes.  I think it will be all I have just to handle the 
classes.  Mon, Wed, and Fri, I have an 8 oclock class and I since I rely on 
the most unreliable public transportation, I am getting picked up at 6:30 
when the school is 40 mins away with the time it takes to tie or lock me 
down in the bus.

The transit  charges double for disabled who require door to door.  In the 
fixed rides that AB's take, the cost of the ride is 2 dollars and an 
additional dollar if they need to transfer.  If they live on an off beaten 
path more than 3/4 of a mile they can get a ride to the bus stop for an 
additional dollar.  Disabled who require curb to curb service have to pay 
double what AB's pay. I have curb to curb service and still pay as I live in 
a rural area and hardly live in a rural area.  I'm fighting hard about that 
as I live a half mile from the highway.  That's hardly rural.  I then have 
to pay for transfer points that I don't use because I ride directly.  I ride 
directly there and directly back.  Before the tri county govt. took over I 
was taking a different company for school and only paying 4 dollars no 
matter what.  Now I am paying 6 or more each way.  I tried to get a ride for 
Monday but couldn't get a hold of anyone to schedule it on Friday.

My van is tagged and ready to get the work on the modifications however the 
man from voc rehab that was supposed to come go over the stuff for the test 
when I was approved from the DMV is on medical leave and I now have to wait 
until April to do so.  That will make it over a year and a half since I have 
been working with voc rehab to get my license.  The sad thing is that my 
license from before I got sick is still valid.  How much trouble would I get 
into for using that to go down the street to practice my parking or driving 
around the neighborhood and practicing my 3pt turns at the dead ends?  I'm 
pretty damn irritated with the whole system.  Does anyone else have any 
problems like this with their public transportation?

Stacy
 - Original Message - 
 From: David K. Kelmer
 To: Houston809 ; 
quadlist
 Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 4:00 PM
 Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Chat 2day

 It's 3:00 P.M. and I'm there.
 With Love,
 CtrlAltDel aka Dave
 C4/5 Complete - 28 Years Post
 Texas, USA
 Houston809 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
   If you're going 2 chat 2day let me know time
   Place is DisabledOfAmerica

[QUAD-L] Overseas surgery success

Title: Overseas surgery success 



Carol,
This surgery what’s the total price going 2 be if you don’t mind me asking? How did you locate this Dr? Where can I research this Dr and this surgery you’re referring 2?


On 1/30/05 2:13 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I think the motto should be " Better disabled than Dead".
 
At least you have a chance to recover  and live a near normal life if you live at home with relatives.
 
But the medical community doesn't see it this way.
 
I getting ready a packet of info to send to Dr Huang in Beijing China. I have contacted them and they wont my son's latest MRI and current condition from his Dr's. Then they will see if they can help him. It is thru stem cell operation. It may not be right for some people but I have no objections to it. Anything to get him up and about again as I am getting too old to care for him and I don't want to see him put in a nursing home for 20 or 30 years.
Carol in Ky

Re: [QUAD-L] Catch 22

Someone should email everyone that was on the list and see if that isn't the
case.


On 1/30/05 9:13 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I agree Dave!  I'm afraid that people like Mr Boyd my not be receiving his
> daily messages and doesn't realize that he may have be deleted.  Hope that is
> not the case.
> W
> 
> In a message dated 1/29/05 8:39:49 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> << I was thinking the same thing.  It seemed there have been a few members
> that haven't been around in awhile.  I thought it may have been the heated
> discussions during the political season, but now I'm not so sure.  I hope
> everyone 
> thinks to look if they don't receive posts from the Q-List. >>
>

[QUAD-L] RE: Queer & disabled

Title: RE: Queer & disabled

Well I guess I opened a can of worms or SNAKES this time. I TRULY APPOLOGIZE for anyone that I’ve offended. I’m usually more thoughtful before I open my mouth, but I slipped up. Things happen... 4 those that don’t know me think as U will... 4 those that do know me ... Well U know me there’s no need 2 speak up or say anything on my behalf... I’m a grown man & will stand on anything I’ve said...

About the movie I’ve always loved Clint Eastwood as an actor & director ... Morgan freeman I love as an actor ... He’s pretty adamant about picking movie scripts and the characters... I’ll have 2 see and judge 4 myself... Clint I didn’t know had those views about disabilities

I don’t know what dr. your son had but he should’ve been sued 7 lose his license 2 practice. I wanted 2 die after I 1st became a quad ... But if my Dr. would’ve said it he’d have gotten cursed out.

On 1/30/05 1:18 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

What is the big deal about being Gay and disabled. I've had many emails that are the same words, do you not know how to copy and paste and why not quit repeating what someone else has already said.
I'm sure there are many disabled people that may be gay but that is the lifestyle they choose.

As for this movie business, if this is how Clint Eastwood really feels..it will come back to haunt him.

My son John who had the stroke was told by his Dr that " he would rather die than live as a quad" but my son believes that would be suicide and chose to live. God gave him another chance to recover and become a Christian. Last year he became a Christian and was baptized in the local rehab's heated pool.
Carol in KY

[QUAD-L] Re: MD

2005-01-30 Thread Don and Sharon Hiatt

Title: Re: [QUAD-L] Cold!



Hi Stacy!
 
More snow today.  ;)  I 
don't know if you remember but we exchanged email about 2 years ago when my 
family and I were heading to O.C. fr a daytrip. At that time you weren't ready 
to go to O.C. yet.  Have you been yet?
 
Sharon

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Stacy Harim 
  To: Don and Sharon Hiatt 
  Cc: quad 
  Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 1:12 
  AM
  Subject: Re: MD
  
  
  None.  Just a ton of rain.  We luck out here by the 
  ocean.  Humidity in the air.  I am from Laurel originally.  We 
  used to skip school and go to Columbia mall since the security guards knew us 
  in Laurel.  I miss those days.
   
  Stacy

Re: [QUAD-L] RE: Queer & disabled

2005-01-30 Thread River Wolfe

I wouldn't choose this lifestyle.  Just like I didn't choose to be disabled, but I'm making the best of it ;-)
RIver

On Jan 30, 2005, at 1:18 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I'm sure there are many disabled people that may be gay but that is the lifestyle they choose.

[QUAD-L] Paralysis Device Human Trial Can't Match Canine Success

INDIANAPOLIS, Indiana:   Paralysis patients implanted with a device that 
bathed their damaged spinal cords in a shifting electrical field regained some 
sensation and function below their injury level site, scientists report.
Although promising, the clinical trial on 10 people did not produce the level 
of improvement seen in tests on paralyzed dogs, some of which regained the 
ability to walk.
Scott Shapiro, a neurosurgeon at the Indiana University School of Medicine, 
said the results suggest that patients improvements were caused by nerve growth 
at the injury site induced by the device's electrical field.
Shapiro said that phase one trial proved that the battery powered implants, 
called oscillating field stimulators, are indeed safe to use in humans.
The stimulators, about the size of a cigarette lighter, were inserted below 
the skin, with electrodes running to both sides of the injury site.  They were 
removed 15 weeks later.
Shapiro said four patients regained some movement in previously paralyzed 
limbs, including one man who can now lift and extend one of his legs.  None, 
however, recovered enough to stand unassisted.
When Purdue researchers tested the device on more than 100 paralyzed dogs, 
about 85% showed improved bodily functions, and some regained the ability to 
walk.

Those interested in further information may wish to contact Shapiro at 
Indiana University, in Bloomington,IN.
-W-

[QUAD-L] My introductions

Wheelchair Warrior, thinks that she's a pear. but actually she's a 
peach!
W

In a message dated 1/29/05 8:27:22 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi Sharon, 
I to  have Cerebral Palsy and I broke my neck and now I'm a per. Weelcome. 
Wheelchair Warrior Andrea  >>

[QUAD-L] Movie- Clint Eastwood

If you remember... Clint Eastwood was sued for noncompliant restaurant, which 
he owned.  I believe that he lost that case and was bitter about its lost.  
Some believe that he shows his feelings in the endings of the movie with he 
directed.
W

In a message dated 1/29/05 2:26:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< Million Dollar Baby is up for several academy awards How sad and cruel 
for Clint Eastwood to be at it again in his disdain for people with 
disabilities in an attempt to seek sympathy for killers of people with 
disabilities...  
please read "Not Dead Yet's" review and view below.
 
Daniese McMullin-Powell
ADAPT Delaware
Not Dead Yet, Delaware >>

[QUAD-L] Movie

It has been addressed on:  www.dimenet.com
The national website for Centers for Independent Living under NEWS.
W

In a message dated 1/29/05 1:59:06 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< I don't think it was just by accident that this twist comes in the last 
five minutes of the movie.  Even if Mr. Eastwood had wanted to make a movie 
about the 'Right to Die' issue, he should not have had the 'Mercy Killing' 
right 
after the accident with no life experiences to help the character make an 
informed decision.  I don't understand why this question hasn't been addressed 
more 
in the mainstream media or in the disability community.
  >>

[QUAD-L] Movie

I haven't seen the movie yet, River, but I know that it has raised major 
issues with the advocate group "Not Dead Yet" crowd in Chicago.  They have 
demonstrated several times passing out literature to those attending including 
national movie critics.
As consumers, we see movies of death and torture, as well as dangerous 
stunts.  I sincerely hope that we don't consider those actions to standard in 
our 
civil life.
Same could be said about the movie as I don't wish to reveal the end of it 
for those who may not have seen it yet.
Best Wishes
W

In a message dated 1/29/05 7:59:54 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< Why is no one talking about this movie?  I had no clue it portrayed 
disability in such a way.  I was going to go see it, but not now.  I 
don't want to give it away if you want to see it, but am wondering why 
the blatant inaccuracies and "death is better than disabled" viewpoint 
isn't getting more media coverage.  Esp since the National Spinal Cord 
Injury Assoc. has come out against it.  Maybe I'm late and it's already 
been discussed here? >>

[QUAD-L] Catch 22

I agree Dave!  I'm afraid that people like Mr Boyd my not be receiving his 
daily messages and doesn't realize that he may have be deleted.  Hope that is 
not the case.
W

In a message dated 1/29/05 8:39:49 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< I was thinking the same thing.  It seemed there have been a few members 
that haven't been around in awhile.  I thought it may have been the heated 
discussions during the political season, but now I'm not so sure.  I hope 
everyone 
thinks to look if they don't receive posts from the Q-List. >>

Re: [QUAD-L] RE: Queer & disabled