[QUAD-L] WOW
Great Reply (as always) Eric. I don't like those laws of Nature either. I just realize they exist. I've always advocated education of prevention. Today, more then ever, there are those who are still willing to go out and test those unforgivable laws. W In a message dated 2/27/05 8:54:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The law of nature that leaves a vibrant healthy soul locked inside a dead shell for years on end with no hope of a reasonable way out is definitely a bad law of nature. once you've walked a mile in those shoes, the conclusion is obvious, predictable and despised. dave Eric W Rudd [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[QUAD-L] Cruise Ships- Today The Supreme Court Listens
Today is the day. After generations on noncompliance, the cruise ship industry will have its day before the Supreme Court to argue whether they too must comply with the America's With DisAbilities Act, that was passed into law in 1992. Many of these ships, registered in other countries, serve only American ports, serve only American clients, who's written agreements (contracts) are retail contracts under American codes and require that if there are any disputes, must be resolved in American Courts. Some cruise ship are designed with ADA cabins, but nothing else on the ship is accessible. While in most cases, none of the cruise ships are not accessible. In one case that I'm aware of, the disAbled passenger was charged more for their accessible cabin than those able-bodied with equal equipt'd cabins. Stay Tuned for the results and impact. W
Re: [QUAD-L] anniversary
Dave, Where R U located? It's a misconception that U can't make it without family assistance. I was in a nursing home for a little over 2 yrs after numerous calls 2 the state board of health 4 violations other calls 2 the ombudsman. They decided 2 help me get a place 2 get away from them. Houston On 2/27/05 2:10 PM, dave headman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: been in a nursing home since 99. around here if you don't have family or money to fill in the void of coverage the government supplies, you get incarcerated. From: Stacy Harim [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com, dave headman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] anniversary Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 13:14:40 -0500 Dave, I completely agree with you. I wanted to shake the people that told me that. How long have you been in a nursing home? Why do you have to be there? That is if you don't mind sharing the info. Stacy - Original Message - From: dave headmanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.commailto:quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 12:22 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] anniversary my sci anniversary was feb 19th my 26th year being stuck in this body. i've heard a lot of you weigh in about the movie million dollar baby i think the message is right on the money. i think i am the only list member thats actually in a nursing home, i see a lot of people that need a visit from clint eastwood. when you have family, friends,spouses and or a job your outlook on life might be a little brighter. and if i hear that bullshit line everything happens for a reason or gods will my head will explode. dave headman c4 26yrs post _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/http://messen ger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
Re: [QUAD-L] anniversary
Silas, there are always other options than nursing homes. And theres always help to ease the burden that¹s what agencies r 4. On 2/27/05 7:23 PM, Silas Shelburne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amen Dave, Im so sick of everybody telling me that everything happens for a reason and God has this great plan for me. We suffer ever dam day, ive prayed and prayed for Gods help. Now I pray for God to at least end my suffering, I think we should have a choice to keep on suffering or be put out ov our missery. I can't imagine having to live in a nursing home, but thats where ill probable end up. Im the youngest of 4 sister and their not able to take care of me, but they do. I feel so guilty im such a burden, their the ones that God should have mursey on. Silas - Original Message - From: dave headman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 9:22 AM Subject: [QUAD-L] anniversary my sci anniversary was feb 19th my 26th year being stuck in this body. i've heard a lot of you weigh in about the movie million dollar baby i think the message is right on the money. i think i am the only list member thats actually in a nursing home, i see a lot of people that need a visit from clint eastwood. when you have family, friends,spouses and or a job your outlook on life might be a little brighter. and if i hear that bullshit line everything happens for a reason or gods will my head will explode. dave headman c4 26yrs post _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
Re: [QUAD-L] WOW
Yep, I tested one of those laws do not go off trail and am still learning that lesson ;-) It's funny, for most of my life I've been scared of heights, why I found the courage to hike that steep hillside off the trail is curious to me. River On Feb 28, 2005, at 8:43 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: willing to go out and test those unforgivable laws.
Re: [QUAD-L] Acupuncture
I have had great experiences with Accupuncture. Its like any therapy - its as only as good as the therapist. Joel Bennett Greensboro, North Carolina Daughter, Rosie - BS/C1/C2 - 01/00 - Current age 16 Full Time Public High School Student Powerchair and Laptop http://homepage.mac.com/rosiebennett - On Feb 23, 2005, at 6:49 PM, ~LittleQuad~ wrote: Hey gang, Has anyone had Acupuncture? Did you like it? Did it work any for you? I went today for my first time. WOW! It was so weird! It did relieve my hand pain and places in my neck. He said my hip pain is caused by something misplaced in my neck. He put 14 needles in there. Then some wires taped to me. It was so weird. It's basically like e-stem, except this uses needles!! I'm going back Friday at 3:00pm. Please give any feedback! Thanks, Amye
[QUAD-L] Quadriplegic Video
For those of you that are interested, Theres a video in the making right now, covering sexuality and intimacy in Quadriplegic spinal cord injuries. It will cover many of the questions and topics, that has been posted on message boards and forums relating to quadriplegics and sex. But unlike the material and videos that have been released on this topic before. This video will cover detail and explicit questions, that many people with quadriplegic injuries and their partners ask. It will not be the 30 to 45 minute video with doctors and therapist telling you what, you can and can not do. Instead this video is being created by a couple, in a loving 2 year relationship. That "has/is" dealing with an ongoing sexual/intimate relationship. He is a C5/C6 quadriplegic. She is an able-body. Although this video will explicit in nature, it WILL NOT be in anyway pornographic material. But It will be intended for adults, for educational purposes. We are asking if you or your partner have a question, issue, topic, or anything specific youd like addressed in the video. To send your emails to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please include your name and level of injury. If you are interested in being notified, when the video is released and available. Send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please include your name and level of injury to: The video is aimed to be released in July of 2005.
[QUAD-L] Quadriplegic Video/ $$$$$/Exploitation
Title: Quadriplegic Video/ $/Exploitation This video thing sounds kind of good. But in some ways just another way 4 someone 2 exploit others searching 4 info. Because as we know each injury is different and what some can do others cant what works for me a C/6 C/7 complete might not work 4 a C/7 incomplete and visa versa. Some things will just have 2 be tried. Shouldnt it be more like the combined research of a spectrum of quads. This person his 2yr girlfriend may not be as sexual as me my new gurlfriend :) That has a lil cowgurl in her and LUVS 2 ride hard :) :) Im just very leary of a lot of things trying 2 be pushed of on us. Im more in tune with experimenting pushing limits. :) Now we know mostly everyone on q-list so who originally posted this? What makes this creditable? How do I know that he his girlfriend are really having sex or even exist On 2/28/05 11:37 AM, Quadriplegic Video [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For those of you that are interested, Theres a video in the making right now, covering sexuality and intimacy in Quadriplegic spinal cord injuries. It will cover many of the questions and topics, that has been posted on message boards and forums relating to quadriplegics and sex. But unlike the material and videos that have been released on this topic before. This video will cover detail and explicit questions, that many people with quadriplegic injuries and their partners ask. It will not be the 30 to 45 minute video with doctors and therapist telling you what, you can and can not do. Instead this video is being created by a couple, in a loving 2 year relationship. That has/is dealing with an ongoing sexual/intimate relationship. He is a C5/C6 quadriplegic. She is an able-body. Although this video will explicit in nature, it WILL NOT be in anyway pornographic material. But It will be intended for adults, for educational purposes. We are asking if you or your partner have a question, issue, topic, or anything specific youd like addressed in the video. To send your emails to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Please include your name and level of injury. If you are interested in being notified, when the video is released and available. Send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Please include your name and level of injury to: The video is aimed to be released in July of 2005.
Re: [QUAD-L] anniversary
Dave, I have read all the near death experiences and the new age stuff-- Who decided we pick our path before we come here? That is just some man's own thoughts or interpretation. And in the near death experiences very many contradict others. I'n My opinion--no one knows but the creator and the bible is the only true guide to the basics. B I B L E= Basic Information Before Leaving Earth. And as far as judging ourselves, it say's we are not judges but only god is. Tho he may use our concience to help judge us in the end. This is just my opinion :-) Dan
Re: [QUAD-L] anniversary
Hi Dave, You've come 26 years "stuck in this body," so I'm wondering ifyou've had time to make an informed opinion about assisted suicide? If you have would you mind sharing it with the List. I wish you well. You will remain in my prayers. With Love, CtrlAltDel aka DaveC4/5 Complete - 28 Years PostTexas, USA dave headman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: my sci anniversary was feb 19th my 26th year being stuck in this body.i've heard a lot of you weigh in about the movie "million dollar baby"i think the message is right on the money. i think i am the only list memberthats actually in a nursing home, i see a lot of people that need a visitfrom clint eastwood. when you have family, friends,spouses and or ajob your outlook on life might be a little brighter.and if i hear that bullshit line "everything happens for a reason" or "godswill" my head will explode.dave headmanc4 26yrs post_Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
Re: [QUAD-L] anniversary
Hi QP, I'm with you on this. I believe that if a person has made an informed decision about assisted suicide, they should have that right,but 'informed decision' is the key. Until someone has time to live with a disability I don't think giving up and being put down is the way to go. I also think a 'Living Will' should be respected. Just my two cents. With Love, CtrlAltDel aka DaveC4/5 Complete - 28 Years PostTexas, USA QuadPirate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Dave, You might be the only member currently in a nursing home but there's more than just me that's lived in one on this list. I spent my first 2 years in a nursing home battling lazy ass cna's that wouldn't turn me which caused abad pressure sore on my coxic area. I do know your feelings I cried myself to sleep many many nights and if Clint would've been around I might have made a huge mistake, I know I'm lucky and everyones situation is different but I just wanted to share my feelings. I'm not sure if what Clint's movie is suggesting is right or not because they say I begged my brother to unplug me in the hospital but I don't remember none of it luckily. As far as everything happens for a reason it does and my reason was because I jumped into 4' of water so I agree shit happens for a reason. Mark ---Original Message--- From: dave headman Date: Sunday, February 27, 2005 11:22:48 AM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: [QUAD-L] anniversary my sci anniversary was feb 19th my 26th year being stuck in this body.i've heard a lot of you weigh in about the movie "million dollar baby"i think the message is right on the money. i think i am the only list memberthats actually in a nursing home, i see a lot of people that need a visitfrom clint eastwood. when you have family, friends,spouses and or ajob your outlook on life might be a little brighter.and if i hear that bullshit line "everything happens for a reason" or "godswill" my head will explode.dave headmanc4 26yrs post_Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/.
[QUAD-L] meeting people
Hello, everyone. I need some ideas. I'm c/4 inc. I have arm movement but no finger movement and left arm is stronger than right. I have my own van but I have to be drove around by someone. So, I need to use public transportation to get around alone. Where are some of the places you go to meet people?
Re: [QUAD-L] anniversary
Hi Stacy, The whole social work should be done by people that really understand what the real world is like. You will be a great asset to someone looking for help! With Love, CtrlAltDel aka DaveC4/5 Complete - 28 Years PostTexas, USA Stacy Harim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I was literally days away from a nursing home coming from rehab. I had been fighting for housing for months before I knew when I was going to be discharge. I took time to find all the things that I would be eligible for so I could live on my own. I found out how to get rental assistance, Medicaid, but if your on disability you get Medicare and can apply for Medicaid to pick up the difference. I got food stamps, electric assistance, and attendant care. I am barely making it but I am not in a nursing home. Mark worked to get himself out of one and there are a couple of other people on the list that are in nursing homes or there were not that long ago. I don't think they post much. None of use deserve to be in a nursing home. That is partly why that I am going to school for social work. I want to help keep disabled adults out of them. Stacy - Original Message - From: dave headman To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] anniversary been in a nursing home since 99.around here if you don't have family or money to fill in the void ofcoverage the government supplies, you get incarcerated.From: "Stacy Harim" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: quad-list@eskimo.com, "dave headman" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] anniversaryDate: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 13:14:40 -0500Dave,I completely agree with you. I wanted to shake the people that told me that. How long have you been in a nursing home? Why do you have to be there? That is if you don't mind sharing the info.Stacy - Original Message - From: dave headmanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.commailto:quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 12:22 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] anniversary my sci anniversary was feb 19th my 26th year being stuck in this body. i've heard a lot of you weigh in about the movie "million dollar baby" i think the message is right on the money. i think i am the only list member thats actually in a nursing home, i see a lot of people that need a visit from clint eastwood. when you have family, friends,spouses and or a ! job your outlook on life might be a little brighter. and if i hear that bullshit line "everything happens for a reason" or "gods will" my head will explode. dave headman c4 26yrs post _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/_Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
Re: [QUAD-L] ...Fla medicaid
Hi Tony, Sometimes I wonder if the politicians are playing a shell game, but they've already ate the pea that's supposed to beunder the shell. With Love, CtrlAltDel aka DaveC4/5 Complete - 28 Years PostTexas, USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TALLAHASSEE - Megan Holl can't walk, talk or feed herself. The Longwood resident spends most of her day in a wheelchair, except for the few hours when she is lifted out to crawl around the floor for exercise. Holl is 18 and suffers from a severe seizure disorder that has left her with the mental capacity of an 18-month-old. She also is No. 5,812 on the Medicaid waiting list for developmentally disabled services. Another 15,000 people are waiting for those services, too.Ordinarily, Holl wouldn't have to wait for care. But the federal government doesn't require Florida to pay for the treatment she needs.That saves Florida money and gives it more flexibility, but it means people like Holl don't get the medical services they need but can't afford.Florida's Medicaid patients aren't alone.For the first time, states will collectively spend more money this year on Medicaid than education. The federal-state health care program for the poor has exploded in recent years, a result of increasing medical costs and decreasing private insurance.In Florida, the program has more than doubled in the past six years to nearly $15-billion, gobbling one-fourth of the state budget.So Florida and other states have asked the federal government for waivers to allow them to not cover certain procedures. That saves money and expands coverage for less costly procedures, though it doesn't help people like Holl.But it appears to be the future of Medicaid. President Bush wants to cut $60-billion in federal spending from the $300-billion program over the next decade."Do we want to give everyone Chevys, or a few people Cadillacs?" U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary Mike Leavitt said rec! ently in congressional testimony and to reporters.Leavitt is urging states to apply for waivers, which would save states money and cut the federal government's costs. States also could continue Medicaid's traditional programs, but with less help from Washington.Many states say they can barely afford to keep Medicaid as a traditional entitlement if they rely on the federal money they get now. Less money from Washington likely means more waivers, more waiting lists - or no coverage at all.That worries Holl's parents, who say the four years their daughter has waited for help have been agony."In a sense, Betsy and I have become disabled as well," Rob Holl said of himself and his wife. "We have been dramatically affected - socially, psychologically and even professionally."A cost explosion America's health care ! landscape was far different in 1965, when Congress created Medicaid. Simple doctor visits, hospitalization and skilled nursing services accounted for most of the health care people used at the time.As health care practices evolved, states kept up by adding services that were not required under original federal Medicaid rules, such as prescription drug coverage and outpatient procedures. Unless they got a waiver, states had to offer the additional care to everyone who qualified.These optional programs, which reflect more expensive advances in treatment, are behind much of Medicaid's cost explosion in recent years. In many states, including Florida, optional programs account for more spending than the so-called mandatory services contained in the original 1965 Medicaid plan.Plus, as more people lost their jobs during the recent recession - or lost their job-related health insurance - Medicaid was there to catch many of them.The result for states was seve! ral years of double-digit percentage increases in Medicaid costs, which only recently have begun to slow down."Florida's Medicaid system will collapse under its own weight if we do not fundamentally transform the way it operates," Gov. Jeb Bush said last month when he unveiled his proposal to revamp the program.Of the states' plans to restructure and contain Medicaid, Bush's proposal is one of the boldest.Rather than paying doctors and hospitals directly for treating Medicaid patients, Bush wants the state to pay HMOs and other health networks to cover the cost of caring for the 2.3-million people enrolled in Medicaid.To entice insurance companies to take on some of Florida's sickest, poorest residents, the state would cap Medicaid benefits, just as private insurance plans do. That would ease some of the financial risk for insurance companies.Patients requiring more care would be covered by a catastrophic fund financed through a percentage of M! edicaid premiums.Bush has called his plan a "framework" and said he is relying on health care professionals to flesh it out. The proposal calls for managed care companies and other networks to design the plans Medicaid patients would use, and it is at least a year away from becoming a reality.State lawmakers
Re: [QUAD-L] neurontin alternative
My anesthesiologist has changed me from neurontin to Gabatril. He says that neurontin reduces 10% of your brain function. After all, it is a newural suppresxant. Check it out, I am pleased and the pills are tiny! Brian
Re: [QUAD-L] meeting people
In a message dated 2/28/2005 2:16:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello, everyone. I need some ideas. I'm c/4 inc. I have arm movement but no finger movement and left arm is stronger than right. I have my own van but I have to be drove around by someone. So, I need to use public transportation to get around alone. Where are some of the places you go to meet people? the internet, Adam!!! It evens the playing fieldit gives you the chance to compel them with your MIND firstif you do a good job, the chair thang won't matter as much. Be strong, confident, playful, cleverNEVER pitiful, desperate, needy, hurt, etc. -tony
Re: [QUAD-L] ...Fla medicaid
In a message dated 2/28/2005 2:32:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Tony, Sometimes I wonder if the politicians are playing a shell game, but they've already ate the pea that's supposed to be under the shell. With Love, CtrlAltDel aka Dave Dave.i'm with ya!! I really think most of politics and these programs are shell games...if they shift the shells fast enough, we all are confused. -tony
Re: [QUAD-L] meeting people
Hi Adam, I enjoy going to the Mall. A lot ofpeople just walking around that don't mind stopping to talk awhile. Most public transportation will get you there and back home just fine. With Love, CtrlAltDel aka DaveC4/5 Complete - 28 Years PostTexas, USA[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, everyone. I need some ideas. I'm c/4 inc. I have arm movement but no finger movement and left arm is stronger than right. I have my own van but I have to be drove around by someone. So, I need to use public transportation to get around alone. Where are some of the places you go to meet people?
Re: [QUAD-L] Good to be back........
Hey Ray.how was the great outdoors last season? I hope your doing ok! Good question about balance. No video yet but here are a few tricks to try. Are you falling towards the target or forward from your seat? A chest strap works good for both but some feel to confined. Depending on shooting conditions you could use a small block of wood under the left side, front tire (for a right handed archer). Try tilting or reclining a bit back. Try a brace with a pad on top between the left armrest and your side that stands upright. It should almost act like a crutch but going from below the armpit down to the cusion. You can use it for support until you build up strength. Regular wheelchair side support pads work great to if you have them. Thera-bands come in different sizes (strengths) and loops can be tied on the ends to simulate drawing a bow. Great for overall stretching, strength and circulation. What kind of equipment are you using? Bow, arrows, release ect...Draw lenth, poundage and technique adjustments can increase stability as well. Any pics? Practicing at 15-20ft on higher targets (just above your shoulder height) will help some to. Dont worry about distance here. The short drills are for shot routine, strength and confidence. Bob - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Good to be back Hi Bob glad to hear your doing good i'm curious do you have any videos of you with instructions of shooting from a chair as a quad and balance techniques etc if so I'd love to purchase one from you I got my new bow last year but need alot of practice lol look forward for your reply. Thanks Ray c-5 c-6 coming up 4yrs post 16 of next month
Re: [QUAD-L] meeting people
I have the same problem Tony although I have a wonderful husband for company and who drives me. Because we've moved a lot and people seem to stay to themselves alot except for a passing hello or short conversation ... it's hard meeting people. So I've tried Church abt a month ago. We'll see how that goes. Lori ---Original Message--- In a message dated 2/28/2005 2:16:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello, everyone. I need some ideas. I'm c/4 inc. I have arm movement but no finger movement and left arm is stronger than right. I have my own van but I have to be drove around by someone. So, I need to use public transportation to get around alone. Where are some of the places you go to meet people?
[QUAD-L] WOW-Which Law of Nature Did You Challange?
River, You make an excellent case. Which Law of Nature did You Challenge? I think that it would be great subject material for someone writing a book on the Laws of Nature and those who challenged them. W Yep, I tested one of those laws do not go off trail and am still learning that lesson ;-) It's funny, for most of my life I've been scared of heights, why I found the courage to hike that steep hillside off the trail is curious to me. River
[QUAD-L] Dave / Nursing Home
Hi Everyone, This is my first time posting to the list and what prompted me was Dave's post that he was "probably the only list member in a nursing home". No, you're not, my friend,I have been living inone now for three years having no choice between the messed up policies of Medicaid Medicarehere in Florida. Please, don't even bother mentioning the Olmstead Decision I consider that a laugh. Don't get me wrong I actually feel lucky to have found this place and I'm treated well, but I miss having a normal life, going places (live in rural area no affordable public transportion) and feeling like a part of society. As for assisted suicide I certainly understand how one could reach that decision andwon't lie have consideredsuicide many times myself, but am now glad I didn't carry through.As the years go by and physically things continue to deteriorate though I am certain suicide/euthanasia will once again rear its for me and, though it saddens me, if its ever legalized is probably an option I'll take. Off this sad subject: I just want to say Iam so pleased to have found this listand am learning much and deriving great hopefrom all your posts! Thank you, Jim Lubin, you're the bomb, baby. ;-) Stephanie Dial c3/c4 18 yrs post
Re: [QUAD-L] anniversary
I hear ya Silas and I'm luckier than most. "Is man one of God's blunders? Or is God one of man's blunders?" "Religion is like chemotherapy, it may solve one problem, but it can cause a million more." -- John Bledsoe "It may be that our role on this planet is not to worship God, but to create him."-- Arthur C. Clarke Lori ---Original Message--- From: Silas Shelburne Date: 02/27/05 17:24:34 To: dave headman; quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] anniversary Amen Dave, Im so sick of everybody telling me that everything happens for a reason and God has this great plan for me.We suffer ever dam day, ive prayed and prayed for Gods help.Now I pray for God to at least end my suffering, I think we should have a choice to keep on suffering or be put out ov our missery.I can't imagine having to live in a nursing home, but thats where ill probable end up.Im the youngest of 4 sister and their not able to take care of me, but they do.I feel so guilty im such a burden, their the ones that God should have mursey on.Silas
Re: [QUAD-L] Good to be back........
Hi Stacynice to hear your doing well to.Keep on em!! The flap on your lift doesnt go down? OMG...lolthat is scary huh? A few times my chair has rolled forward when I clicked thejoysticik to drive back into my old van.rolling forward and hittingthe flap. It hasstopped me a every time but dang.the thought ofa 4 foot nosedive to a face full of cement, followed by a powerchair pile driver..issooo scary!! Can you see that?? lolYou know that scared feeling when you gasp for your last breath..yep that one. I hate that, but it can be funnyif nothig bad happens. Thats one of those laws of fear, i think!! lol You will make a great Social worker. Bob From: Stacy Harim To: quad-list@eskimo.com ; Bob Hickey Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Good to be back Sorry for the late reply Bob. It's great to have you back. I have been going through a lot of adversity but also got enrolled into the University so I can finally put community college and gen ed classes behind me. I'm working on my major for social work. I also got a van months ago. A used one that needed a ton of work and still needs more. I am hoping DORS will help pay for it but wont know til I am able to get it up there. DORS here will only put money into a new van, but since it's already equipped for the most part, I'm hoping they will at least replace the lift that doesn't work well anymore, plus it isn't wide enough for my chair. I keep getting wedged in it and can't get out. The flap also doesn't go down when lowered. The cut out on the floor behind the wheel needs to be widened a little but shouldn't be that much work. I just got approved by the doctors at the DMV to take my test after waiting for over 6 months. It couldn't have happened at a better time because I have been fighting with the transit since October when I started taking them. What is happening for you lets me know that things finally do come together and I know that I wont have to fight so hard for the rest of my life. I know there will be battles but this has been a full blown war. I'm so happy for you and I will get to that site of yours when I get time. If I were your way, I'd be hitting you up for that lesson. Stacy - Original Message - From: Bob Hickey To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 10:42 AM Subject: [QUAD-L] Good to be back Hi everyone, This is ol' b.hickey4. I have not been on here since my old computer got eaten by the scam virus. lol. I think viruses are created by the darn anti-virus companies!! j/kAnyway, Since then I have been keeping busy putting shoe leather to dreams(so to speak). My hair is getting gray and my eyes are burning outta my head from looking at the computer so long but it is all s worth it. As some of you might remember I have been working with DVR for 5+ years now, trying to become a "Mobile Archery Instructor"...well...I'm almost there.The strars are finally ligning up! Full moon on my b-day this month, says so! The new van is in town, being set-up.see attached pic!! Its frickin amazing! 2005' E-350 with a 9" Norcal drop floor which allows me to pull all the way under the wheel! Now theres no need for all the digital controls. I can now, manually reach and control all functions and switches. This means less $$, less maintenance, fewer things to go wrong, more physical and safer because now im not sitting so far back n up so high. Great, all the way around. My first attemp at a website is up and runnin as well! Check it out at www.nextsteparchery.comHTML, Frames, Frontpage, Photoshop, FTP's ...PCP's...lol That stuff will drive a person bannanas!! All I know is my head hurts.lol Just kidding, its all kinda fun butt I cantwait to be done. haha I still have tons of info, pics n videos yet to put on my website. It is a work in progress but i'm opening my doors officially in April so I'v got some time. I dohave 5 students now, 3 of them just won State events and the others are making progress!! Its feels nice to see "I do" have something to contribute and "I can" make a difference!! All that, plus the "reward" of working so hard, for so long thru all the frustraion, the pain, the red tape and levels of buerocracy. The "reward", is my FREEDOM!! Then, the sky is thelimit and I plan to settle on cloud 9!! I want to thank everyone on the Quad-List for being here. When things got rough you guys were always here. Now your here for the good part too!! All the support andjust knowing there is always other people here, who understand and are willing to help. Thats so cool. You all have helped me very
Re: [QUAD-L] WOW
Is interesting how I tested the laws of nature on a frequent basis, but my accident occurred when I had no intentions of testing these laws. It was just a freak accident which should not have even given me a small bump on my head. I guess it was payback for tempting fate all of those years. :-)Billy from TampaC2-39 years postMy blog: http://quadius-superbus.blogspot.com/River Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep, I tested one of those laws "do not go off trail" and am still learning that lesson ;-) It's funny, for most of my life I've been scared of heights, why I found the courage to hike that steep hillside "off the trail" is curious to me.RiverOn Feb 28, 2005, at 8:43 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: willing to go out and test those unforgivable laws. Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard.
Re: [QUAD-L] meeting people
Lori in a church? I feel the high in hell today is below 32. Lori Michaelson wrote: I have the same problem Tony although I have a wonderful husband for company and who drives me. Because we've moved a lot and people seem to stay to themselves alot except for a passing hello or short conversation ... it's hard meeting people. So I've tried Church abt a month ago. We'll see how that goes. Lori -
Re: [QUAD-L] Dave / Nursing Home
In a message dated 2/28/2005 4:33:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Everyone, This is my first time posting to the list and what prompted me was Dave's post that he was "probably the only list member in a nursing home". No, you're not, my friend, I have been living in one now for three years having no choice between the messed up policies of Medicaid Medicare here in Florida. Please, don't even bother mentioning the Olmstead Decision I consider that a laugh. Don't get me wrong I actually feel lucky to have found this place and I'm treated well, but I miss having a normal life, going places (live in rural area no affordable public transportion) and feeling like a part of society. As for assisted suicide I certainly understand how one could reach that decision and won't lie have considered suicide many times myself, but am now glad I didn't carry through. As the years go by and physically things continue to deteriorate though I am certain suicide/euthanasia will once again rear its for me and, though it saddens me, if its ever legalized is probably an option I'll take. Off this sad subject: I just want to say I am so pleased to have found this list and am learning much and deriving great hope from all your posts! Thank you, Jim Lubin, you're the bomb, baby. ;-) Stephanie Dial c3/c4 18 yrs post Stephanie n Dave..it truely hurts me that you guys remain locked away; and Steph, i'm forwarding your email to my BSCIP caseworker coz that program, the way i understand it, is for keeping young bright minds out of nursing homes. I'm really happy that this list is here, too. It's my connection to people that understand my life...well, a little bit, anyway. I would love to see you and Dave out of those prisons... Now, here's my take on euthanasia: I'm all for having the right to get out with some dignity. It makes no sense to me that we put animals down to provide mercy, but force people to suffer right to the long drawn out bitter end, no matter how horrible it is. I've thought a lot about this, and i know drug dealers that i'll get enough oxycotins to do the job when i'm ready.;...i just ain't readyi love my life, and see past the bars of prison, but if one day that prison becomes too much, then i want a choice. peacetony
Re: [QUAD-L] anniversary
As a matter of fact, I heard somewhere that if all insects were suddenly to disappear,human life on earth would cease to existwithin 5 years. On the other hand, if all humans were to suddenly disappear, within 5 years all life on earth would flourish. Just what we need - another experiment gone bad, "Yupper, those humans were interesting but it just didn't work out right. Maybe it's time for cockroaches to rule the planet?" Dave In a message dated 2/28/2005 2:34:47 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I hear ya Silas and I'm luckier than most. "Is man one of God's blunders? Or is God one of man's blunders?" "Religion is like chemotherapy, it may solve one problem, but it can cause a million more." -- John Bledsoe "It may be that our role on this planet is not to worship God, but to create him."-- Arthur C. Clarke Lori ---Original Message--- From: Silas Shelburne Date: 02/27/05 17:24:34 To: dave headman; quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] anniversary Amen Dave, Im so sick of everybody telling me that everything happens for a reason and God has this great plan for me.We suffer ever dam day, ive prayed and prayed for Gods help.Now I pray for God to at least end my suffering, I think we should have a choice to keep on suffering or be put out ov our missery.I can't imagine having to live in a nursing home, but thats where ill probable end up.Im the youngest of 4 sister and their not able to take care of me, but they do.I feel so guilty im such a burden, their the ones that God should have mursey on.Silas The moral flabbiness born of the bitch goddess Success. That- with the squalid cash interpretation put on the word success- is our national disease. -William James 1906
Re: [QUAD-L] meeting people
wheeler writes: Lori in a church? I feel the high in hell today is below 32. Sorry, Loribut I too was shocked. I hope all is well... Keith/c4c5/NJ
[QUAD-L] Mach II, Hair on fire!
My dear departed mother looked at me a few years post and said, "It's a good thing you broke your neck. If something hadn't slowed you down, you'd have killed yourself." Now isn't that an interesting way to look at it? Dave In a message dated 2/28/2005 2:48:38 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is interesting how I tested the laws of nature on a frequent basis, but my accident occurred when I had no intentions of testing these laws. It was just a freak accident which should not have even given me a small bump on my head. I guess it was payback for tempting fate all of those years. :-)Billy from TampaC2-39 years postMy blog: http://quadius-superbus.blogspot.com/River Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep, I tested one of those laws "do not go off trail" and am still learning that lesson ;-) It's funny, for most of my life I've been scared of heights, why I found the courage to hike that steep hillside "off the trail" is curious to me.RiverOn Feb 28, 2005, at 8:43 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: willing to go out and test those unforgivable laws. Do you Yahoo!?Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. The moral flabbiness born of the bitch goddess Success. That- with the squalid cash interpretation put on the word success- is our national disease. -William James 1906
Re: [QUAD-L] neurontin alternative
how effective has Gabatril been for reducing pain? On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 12:02:08 -0800, Brian Stocker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My anesthesiologist has changed me from neurontin to Gabatril. He says that neurontin reduces 10% of your brain function. After all, it is a newural suppresxant.
RE: [QUAD-L] Dave / Nursing Home
Title: Message That was great advice, Tony! This group always has such great ideas, I'm sure we might have suggestions for Dave Stephanie or others out there. Let's hear everybody's ideas. Well wishes are cool but. W. do your magic (if there is an idea). What does anyone know about advocates? -CW -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 5:39 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.comSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] Dave / Nursing HomeIn a message dated 2/28/2005 4:33:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Everyone, This is my first time posting to the list and what prompted me was Dave's post that he was "probably the only list member in a nursing home". No, you're not, my friend, I have been living in one now for three years having no choice between the messed up policies of Medicaid Medicare here in Florida. Please, don't even bother mentioning the Olmstead Decision I consider that a laugh. Don't get me wrong I actually feel lucky to have found this place and I'm treated well, but I miss having a normal life, going places (live in rural area no affordable public transportion) and feeling like a part of society. As for assisted suicide I certainly understand how one could reach that decision and won't lie have considered suicide many times myself, but am now glad I didn't carry through. As the years go by and physically things continue to deteriorate though I am certain suicide/euthanasia will once again rear its for me and, though it saddens me, if its ever legalized is probably an option I'll take. Off this sad subject: I just want to say I am so pleased to have found this list and am learning much and deriving great hope from all your posts! Thank you, Jim Lubin, you're the bomb, baby. ;-) Stephanie Dialc3/c4 18 yrs post Stephanie n Dave..it truely hurts me that you guys remain locked away; and Steph, i'm forwarding your email to my BSCIP caseworker coz that program, the way i understand it, is for keeping young bright minds out of nursing homes.I'm really happy that this list is here, too. It's my connection to people that understand my life...well, a little bit, anyway.I would love to see you and Dave out of those prisons...Now, here's my take on euthanasia: I'm all for having the right to get out with some dignity. It makes no sense to me that we put animals down to provide mercy, but force people to suffer right to the long drawn out bitter end, no matter how horrible it is.I've thought a lot about this, and i know drug dealers that i'll get enough oxycotins to do the job when i'm ready.;...i just ain't readyi love my life, and see past the bars of prison, but if one day that prison becomes too much, then i want a choice.peacetony
Re: [QUAD-L] Dave / Nursing Home
Title: Re: [QUAD-L] Dave / Nursing Home Like Stacy said you can get out. Its going 2 take work, I worked hard 2 find accessible housing and getting everything set-up. But I wanted it and dd it. It helps 2 locate others in our area see if there are units where they live, what agencies they like/ dont like. Contact area living center 4 assistance contact list. On 2/28/05 6:44 PM, Stacy Harim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those of you in nursing homes that want to get out can. It takes a lot of work and will be a frustrating process. It's letter writing and a lot of phone calls. there are programs that will help you but it's up to you to find the way out. If things don't go your way trying to find out what they are or what they are about, that is where your politicians come in. Take it from me first hand that it works. I couldn't find housing or help when I was coming out of rehab but I finally got it worked out. It took me months. I got to rehab in August and shortly after found out my discharge date which was going to be in November. Luckily I wasn't ready to be discharged and then since I hadn't found a place yet, my doctor kept me there an extra couple of weeks. It was december 22 before I got out and didnt know I had a place til the 21st. I got lucky someone in our community knew of my situation (news) and helped with a house that wasn't completely accessible for my needs. Not only was I on the news put continued writing the local paper that did an article on me when I got sick. I continued to write an update of my progress to the reporter that did the original article. If you want out of there, no one is going to come rescue you, it's going to take work from you to get yourself out of there. If you need any advice, help, wanna chat, email me and I'll do what I can to help you. It breaks my heart that you have to be in there. It's no place for a young person to be. Injury or not. Stacy - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Dave / Nursing Home In a message dated 2/28/2005 4:33:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Everyone, This is my first time posting to the list and what prompted me was Dave's post that he was probably the only list member in a nursing home. No, you're not, my friend, I have been living in one now for three years having no choice between the messed up policies of Medicaid Medicare here in Florida. Please, don't even bother mentioning the Olmstead Decision I consider that a laugh. Don't get me wrong I actually feel lucky to have found this place and I'm treated well, but I miss having a normal life, going places (live in rural area no affordable public transportion) and feeling like a part of society. As for assisted suicide I certainly understand how one could reach that decision and won't lie have considered suicide many times myself, but am now glad I didn't carry through. As the years go by and physically things continue to deteriorate though I am certain suicide/euthanasia will once again rear its for me and, though it saddens me, if its ever legalized is probably an option I'll take. Off this sad subject: I just want to say I am so pleased to have found this list and am learning much and deriving great hope from all your posts! Thank you, Jim Lubin, you're the bomb, baby. ;-) Stephanie Dial c3/c4 18 yrs post Stephanie n Dave..it truely hurts me that you guys remain locked away; and Steph, i'm forwarding your email to my BSCIP caseworker coz that program, the way i understand it, is for keeping young bright minds out of nursing homes. I'm really happy that this list is here, too. It's my connection to people that understand my life...well, a little bit, anyway. I would love to see you and Dave out of those prisons... Now, here's my take on euthanasia: I'm all for having the right to get out with some dignity. It makes no sense to me that we put animals down to provide mercy, but force people to suffer right to the long drawn out bitter end, no matter how horrible it is. I've thought a lot about this, and i know drug dealers that i'll get enough oxycotins to do the job when i'm ready.;...i just ain't readyi love my life, and see past the bars of prison, but if one day that prison becomes too much, then i want a choice. peacetony
Re: [QUAD-L] Mach II, Hair on fire!
I have myself tried to look at my accident has a good thing, which, to the majority of people seems outrageous, but I have found a few cases where it improved my life or at least allowed me to stay alive longer. For instance, at the young age of 32, I had a colonoscopy to determine if there was something wrong with my bowels, due to problems with the bowel regimen. I would have never had this procedure performed if I had not become paralyzed. The colonoscopy discovered a polyp which would have turned cancerous within about five years. It is most likely that I would have died of colon cancer in my early to mid-forties. Another example of how my life improved, is my ability to become more in tune with my own inner feelings. Am I saying that my accident was really a blessing in disguise? No way! I am simply trying to look at the bright side of the very dismal set of circumstances.Billy[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My dear departed mother looked at me a few years post and said, "It's a good thing you broke your neck. If something hadn't slowed you down, you'd have killed yourself." Now isn't that an interesting way to look at it? Dave In a message dated 2/28/2005 2:48:38 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is interesting how I tested the laws of nature on a frequent basis, but my accident occurred when I had no intentions of testing these laws. It was just a freak accident which should not have even given me a small bump on my head. I guess it was payback for tempting fate all of those years. :-)Billy from TampaC2-39 years postMy blog: http://quadius-superbus.blogspot.com/River Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep, I tested one of those laws "do not go off trail" and am still learning that lesson ;-) It's funny, for most of my life I've been scared of heights, why I found the courage to hike that steep hillside "off the trail" is curious to me.RiverOn Feb 28, 2005, at 8:43 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: willing to go out and test those unforgivable laws. Do you Yahoo!?Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. The moral flabbiness born of the bitch goddess Success. That- with the squalid cash interpretation put on the word success- is our national disease. -William James 1906__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[QUAD-L] Nursing home / TonyPony1/Stacy
Tony, Thanks for the kind sentiments and for forwarding my email to your BSCIP counselor. :o) Btw, what is BSCIP? Stacy, I'm awarethat they are supposed to beprograms to help people keep out or move from nursing homes and they vary from state to state. I tried very hard not to come into this place, but when I was forced onto Medicare in 2001 (tried refusing and was told "It's FREE so you can't turn it down") and it cut my home health aide twice daily7 days a weekvisits (medicaid funded) to once a day 3 times a week. I only got then$567 a month to pay my bills and feed myself there was no way I could afford to pay for attendant care on that. In all the numerous calls I made I stressed over and over that simply being put on Medicare did in no way cure my quadriplegia and I still needed care 7 days a week. Their response? "Well, you're stuck between a rock and a hard place, Miss Dial." Gee, ya think? It's not simply a matter of "those who WANT to get out of nursing homes can" it's also a matter of those who can AFFORD to get out. I did some figuring and had the government helped me to stay home my care may have cost $1500 a month. Now? Just sharing half a room monthly, not including cost of supplies and meds, $4000 a month. Someone benefits monetarily from my situation, unfortunately, it's not me. Though, please, if you know something I don't - share it. Stephanie c3/c4 18 yrs post
[QUAD-L] See You Later Jimmy- You Will Be Missed
Friends and Loved Ones of Jimmy McCoy, My name is Jason McCoy, Jimmy's nephew. I am writing this email to let all of you who are in Jimmy's address book, know that my beloved uncle passed away last Saturday morning due to lung complications. For those of you who are also members of the White Donkey Society (Jimmy's Internet ministry) I realize that this is not new news. I want to thank you for all the support that you have offered with your condoling emails and prayers. The emails you have sent telling his family of how he has touched your lives have been more meaningful than you will ever know. This is a very difficult time for my grandparents as the past 50 years of their lives have been devoted to taking care of their quadriplegic son and now that he is gone it has left them with a large void to be filled. It means so much to them to hear about how the son they invested so much time into has touched so many lives. So please, if you feel inclined please send and email and let us know about your relationship with Jimmy. I have taught my grandmother how to check his email and she looks forward to hearing from you. I would like to share with you some of the message I shared with his friends and family who attended the funeral today... "While we remember Jimmy today, I would like to spend some time reflecting on one of the most important things his life has showed us. It is difficult to imagine how someone who had so much taken from him at an such an early age could still find happiness and go on to lead such a fulfilling life. But as I look back at Jimmys life, the answer is really quite simple and, in my eyes, Jimmy actually had it quite easy. You see, without a passion it is impossible for any of us to lead a fulfilling life (handicapped or not) but for many of us, it is difficult to find our passion whether its because we become too consumed without careers or just overwhelmed by the worries of everyday life. For Jimmy, he was clearly shown his passion when almost everything else in the world was taken from him except the one thing he was put on this world to doShare the love of the Lord with anyone he can reach. Unfortunately, for many of us, we will spend the better part of our lives searching for the same passion that Jimmy found in his youth. It is fair to assume that we are not all cut out to be as successful apostles for Christ as Jimmy was, but that is no problem because God made us each unique with our own special gifts that we can use to share his love with the world. God blessed us all with the fortune of knowing Jimmy McCoy and I would like to share with you what I feel like is the most valuable lesson that I have learned from his time here on Earth. What passion is- Our passion is what we were put on this earth to do Passion is something you enjoy doing more than anything in the world and would never be referred to as work In pursuing you passion, you will leave the world a better place than when you got here. For some of you it might be fishing or hunting, for others it might be cooking, and for those of us who are really lucky it might indeed be your job. Regardless, it is our duty as Christian human beings to use the passion that God has placed within us to glorify Him and leave as beautiful footprint on the world as our brother Jimmy did. I beg you to take this beautiful lesson from our brother Jimmy, figure out what makes us happier than anything else in the world and spend the rest of your lives waking up each day to do it as best you can. And if you ever feel like you're too old or too weak, then I beg you, look at Jimmys life for inspiration. How easy would it have been for him to make excuses and watch life from the sideline pouting about the hand he was dealt? We love you Uncle Jimmy and thank you for the beautiful foot prints you have left on all of our hearts. We will miss you" After 49 years in a wheelchair, Jimmy now runs and jumps in the streets of Heaven where he awaits the return of his fellow believers. I look forward to seeing you there. In Him, Jason McCoy
Re: [QUAD-L] Eastwoof takes them Best Tragic Playwright
I heard a slightly different story about Euripides. Once upon a time in the far away Mediterranean paradise country of Greece, there were two little twin brothers born to Eurika and Euramadese Eurickman, named Eumenides and Euripides. Eumenides and Euripides were very close. They would play for hours on end amusing themselves in all sorts of ways never needing any sort of parental supervision at all. After they played together, they would eat lunch together and then they would take their afternoon nap together. After they grew up, they would go out on double dates together and sometimes they would switch dates without telling the girls. The girls could never figure it out as Eumenides and Euripides were very, very identical twins. Eumenides had a particular flare with fabrics and was able to fashion the most exquisite gowns for the fair young maidens of the land. He got so popular with all the people in town that soon his reputation spread to Athens where the King wanted Eumenides to join him and furnish his stable with gowns in the style that only he could produce. Eumenides agreed (like he had a big choice) and was supplied with the finest fabrics known to man. There were silks, satins, and laces in every color of the rainbow. Eumenides truly was a master craftsman and was treated by the king as such. There was only one thing that Eumenides was missing in his life, he really missed his twin brother. They could really have fun in this place. One day when he noticed that the king was in a particularly jockular mood, he posed the question of bringing his brother to Greece so they might be able to continue their childhood friendship. Much to his surprise, the king agreed and ordered that the two brothers be reunited. The royal chariot was went to the little town where Euripides was, loaded him aboard and whisked him to Greece to live happily ever after with his beloved wombmate. As he stepped off the royal chariot in front of the royal dress shoppe, he caught his toga on a ragged poorly finished gem cluster of diamonds, rubies, silver and gold on the corner of the chariot sissybar. Darn, darn, darn he thought. This will never do. I haven't seen my brother in 5 years and I'm not going to let him see me in a ripped toga. Fortunately he had packed a spare, slipped it on and was folding up his torn toga just as his brother stepped out the front door of his shoppe. Eumenides, noticing his brother and the torn toga at the same time greeted him with a big hug, tearfully exclaiming, "Euripides?" To which his brother joyfully responded, "Yes Eumenides?" Dave In a message dated 2/28/2005 4:29:59 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sophocles (left) vs. Aeschylus (upper right) vs. Euripides (lower right) Last night's marquee Oscar match-up: director Clint Eastwood vs. director Martin Scorsese, Million Dollar Baby vs. The Aviator. Eastwood won, taking home a fistful of Oscars, including honors for best picture and best director. Will humans remember Hollywood's best in the year 4505? Maybe. We still have records of the trio of tragedians who fought for the entertainment awards of ancient Greece. Back then, it was Aeschylus vs. Sophocles vs. Euripides vying for best tragic playwright. Who was the greatest of the great? Let's see what the records say. Today's KnowledgeAncient Greece's Tragic Trio Three names in ancient Greek tragedy stand above all others: Aeschylus, Sophocles, and Euripides. But only one truly captured the heart of the "Academy" voters of old Athens. Aeschylus Born in 525 BC, Aeschylus wrote some 90 plays. Sadly, only six or seven survive. His claim to fame: being the father of classical Greek drama--because before him, drama as we know it didn't exist. Oh sure, there were simple affairs in which a single actor spoke lines back and forth with a chorus. But Aeschylus
Re: [QUAD-L] Nursing home / TonyPony1/Stacy
Title: Re: [QUAD-L] Nursing home / TonyPony1/Stacy Stephanie, Darling Im in indiana but Im sure that if you still want out I and everyone on this list will work with you 2 try 2 assist u anyway we can 2 get u out. Some things are different but a lot of things r the same. I was surviving with my 2 visits a day yeah seven days a week but the additional waver hrs have come in like the blessing they are :) some of those waiting list seem 4ever but move faster than you think. The 1st thing is 2 get on them all :) I just have medicaid and know that medicaire is better as ssi is better than ssdi everything looks better on the other side :) As I said ask others where u r at how they got out of nursing homes what steps they took. On 2/28/05 8:16 PM, S. Dial [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tony, Thanks for the kind sentiments and for forwarding my email to your BSCIP counselor. :o) Btw, what is BSCIP? Stacy, I'm aware that they are supposed to be programs to help people keep out or move from nursing homes and they vary from state to state. I tried very hard not to come into this place, but when I was forced onto Medicare in 2001 (tried refusing and was told It's FREE so you can't turn it down) and it cut my home health aide twice daily 7 days a week visits (medicaid funded) to once a day 3 times a week. I only got then $567 a month to pay my bills and feed myself there was no way I could afford to pay for attendant care on that. In all the numerous calls I made I stressed over and over that simply being put on Medicare did in no way cure my quadriplegia and I still needed care 7 days a week. Their response? Well, you're stuck between a rock and a hard place, Miss Dial. Gee, ya think? It's not simply a matter of those who WANT to get out of nursing homes can it's also a matter of those who can AFFORD to get out. I did some figuring and had the government helped me to stay home my care may have cost $1500 a month. Now? Just sharing half a room monthly, not including cost of supplies and meds, $4000 a month. Someone benefits monetarily from my situation, unfortunately, it's not me. Though, please, if you know something I don't - share it. Stephanie c3/c4 18 yrs post
Re: [QUAD-L] Dave / Nursing Home
Hi Stephanie, Welcome and thanks for posting. It's great that you raised your voice on this topic. Being in a nursing home is sad. I think your views on death are probably closer to the wishes of more than we think. I know I'm not just going tolive to be alive. Things are enough now that I'm in my right mind and physically strong, but when I'm old and weak I would rather move on than just lay there alive. Thanks again for your post -- it shows you are strong willed. I think Jim Lupin is pretty cool, too! :) Stay strong! With Love, CtrlAltDel aka DaveC4/5 Complete - 28 Years PostTexas, USA"S. Dial" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Everyone, This is my first time posting to the list and what prompted me was Dave's post that he was "probably the only list member in a nursing home". No, you're not, my friend,I have been living inone now for three years having no choice between the messed up policies of Medicaid Medicarehere in Florida. Please, don't even bother mentioning the Olmstead Decision I consider that a laugh. Don't get me wrong I actually feel lucky to have found this place and I'm treated well, but I miss having a normal life, going places (live in rural area no affordable public transportion) and feeling like a part of society. As for assisted suicide I certainly understand how one could reach that decision andwon't lie have consideredsuicide many times myself, but am now glad I didn't carry through.As the years go by and physically things continue to deteriorate though I am certain suicide/euthanasia will once agai! n rear its for me and, though it saddens me, if its ever legalized is probably an option I'll take. Off this sad subject: I just want to say Iam so pleased to have found this listand am learning much and deriving great hopefrom all your posts! Thank you, Jim Lubin, you're the bomb, baby. ;-) Stephanie Dial c3/c4 18 yrs post
Re: [QUAD-L] Nursing home / TonyPony1/Stacy
What state are you in? Did you call your state reps? Is their a waiver program where you are? It is totally separate from medicare. I get both. Medicare covers 80% of my medical bills/equipment. Medicaid covers the extra 20% and covers the waiver program. Not only attendant care but there is an amount of money for assistant equipment. Like I can use some of that money on my van if DORS doesn't cover it. Also you can make more money in the waiver. It's big time phone call making for you. Call the health dept. I put some things that they help me with in another post I just did. It can be done. If it comes to it, call the news stations. Stacy - Original Message - From: S. Dial To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 8:16 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Nursing home / TonyPony1/Stacy Tony, Thanks for the kind sentiments and for forwarding my email to your BSCIP counselor. :o) Btw, what is BSCIP? Stacy, I'm awarethat they are supposed to beprograms to help people keep out or move from nursing homes and they vary from state to state. I tried very hard not to come into this place, but when I was forced onto Medicare in 2001 (tried refusing and was told "It's FREE so you can't turn it down") and it cut my home health aide twice daily7 days a weekvisits (medicaid funded) to once a day 3 times a week. I only got then$567 a month to pay my bills and feed myself there was no way I could afford to pay for attendant care on that. In all the numerous calls I made I stressed over and over that simply being put on Medicare did in no way cure my quadriplegia and I still needed care 7 days a week. Their response? "Well, you're stuck between a rock and a hard place, Miss Dial." Gee, ya think? It's not simply a matter of "those who WANT to get out of nursing homes can" it's also a matter of those who can AFFORD to get out. I did some figuring and had the government helped me to stay home my care may have cost $1500 a month. Now? Just sharing half a room monthly, not including cost of supplies and meds, $4000 a month. Someone benefits monetarily from my situation, unfortunately, it's not me. Though, please, if you know something I don't - share it. Stephanie c3/c4 18 yrs post
Re: [QUAD-L] Dave / Nursing Home
Hi Tony, Or should it be 'Sir Tony' Knight to the damsel's distress! With Love, CtrlAltDel aka DaveC4/5 Complete - 28 Years PostTexas, USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/28/2005 4:33:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Everyone, This is my first time posting to the list and what prompted me was Dave's post that he was "probably the only list member in a nursing home". No, you're not, my friend, I have been living in one now for three years having no choice between the messed up policies of Medicaid Medicare here in Florida. Please, don't even bother mentioning the Olmstead Decision I consider that a laugh. Don't get me wrong I actu! ally feel lucky to have found this place and I'm treated well, but I miss having a normal life, going places (live in rural area no affordable public transportion) and feeling like a part of society. As for assisted suicide I certainly understand how one could reach that decision and won't lie have considered suicide many times myself, but am now glad I didn't carry through. As the years go by and physically things continue to deteriorate though I am certain suicide/euthanasia will once again rear its for me and, though it saddens me, if its ever legalized is probably an option I'll take. Off this sad subject: I just want to say I am so pleased to have found this list and am lear! ning much and deriving great hope from all your posts! Thank you, Jim Lubin, you're the bomb, baby. ;-) Stephanie Dialc3/c4 18 yrs post Stephanie n Dave..it truely hurts me that you guys remain locked away; and Steph, i'm forwarding your email to my BSCIP caseworker coz that program, the way i understand it, is for keeping young bright minds out of nursing homes.I'm really happy that this list is here, too. It's my connection to people that understand my life...well, a little bit, anyway.I would love to see you and Dave out of those prisons...Now, here's my take on euthanasia: I'm all for having the right to get out with some dignity. It makes no sense to me that we put animals down to provide mercy, but force people to suffer right to the long drawn out bitter end, no matter how horrible it is.I've thought a lot about this, and i know drug dealers that i'll get enough oxycotins to do the job when i'm ready.;...i just ain't readyi love my life, and see past the bars of prison, but if one day that prison becomes too much, t! hen i want a choice.peacetony
[QUAD-L] See You Later Jimmy- You Will Be Missed
Another good one bites the dust. May Jimmy's soul rest in peace. Our best wishes to his parents as they have a special place in my heart for the angelic work they did in raising Jimmy to be the person he was. W In a message dated 2/28/05 7:36:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: After 49 years in a wheelchair, Jimmy now runs and jumps in the streets of Heaven where he awaits the return of his fellow believers. I look forward to seeing you there. In Him,
Re: [QUAD-L] Nursing home / TonyPony1/Stacy
In a message dated 2/28/2005 8:18:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tony, Thanks for the kind sentiments and for forwarding my email to your BSCIP counselor. :o) Btw, what is BSCIP? StephBSCIP is Brain SpinalCord Injury Program, you need to get a caseworker. I forwarded ur em to mine, we trade emails all the time, he's very cool guy. I hope that someone can lead you to the right folkseverybody here (houston, dave, stacy, etc) had some great ideas. I would light up the emails and phones to city commisioners and anybody else i could think of... peace...tony
