RE: [Quantum Owners] Headlamp upgrades

2023-07-26 Thread mgaskin via Quantum Owners Group 
Excellent, thanks all for those very useful responses. I shall report back once 
I’ve decided what option to take. 

 

Best wishes

 

Matthew

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Headlamp upgrades

2023-07-26 Thread Darren Siepka 
Yes hid and led MUST have either levelling or leveling suspension and
washers.
But conversion of a halogen light unit is not allowed at bulb level.
If say you have a light unit with non Fresnel patterned lenses and a
complete projector type unit inside , changing that unit if done with
correct pattern units is permitted.

It is the Fresnel on the lense and the reflector shape that screws up both
hid and led conversion , the beam being disrupted.

On Sat, 22 Jul 2023, 20:36 Mick L,  wrote:

> As far as I'm aware they allow hid etc if they have washers and self
> levelling? Correct my if I am wrong?
> --
> *From:* quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
> on behalf of Darren Siepka 
> *Sent:* 22 July 2023 18:38
> *To:* quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [Quantum Owners] Headlamp upgrades
>
> Yes my 2+2 head lights ( and flaps) have gone !
> I have created a mount with the new 90mm Hella unit and a small indicator(
> also modular Hella but about 40mm dia) .
> The 90mm unit is a bi-xenon , it has a single bulb with a flap to create
> the dip cutoff pattern needed for mot.
> Two additional items are also needed for xenon ( not sure about led), that
> is headlamp washers and self levelling.
> Hella sell universal kits to go with the 90mm products , but the washers
> are easily and more cheaply done with a universal windscreen wash kit.
>
> Levelling is a little more tricky, the Hella kit uses ultrasonics , I am
> using OEM lever arm sensors(BMW mini). I am making up a small driver module
> that will read the inputs and adjust the std OEM headlight motors . I will
> publish the build details including firmware as open source as I do all my
> work on GitHub.
> My friendly MOT man is going to let me use the beam aligner out of hours
> to set it up and confirm all is well before the actual MOT test. But I need
> to finish getting the car back on road before I can do that.
>
> Darren
>
> On Sat, 22 Jul 2023, 17:51 mgaskin via Quantum Owners Group, <
> quantumowners@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I’ve been doing some reading on the rules about headlights as for a long
> time I’ve wanted to improve my 2+2’s headlights, which seem particularly
> underwhelming after using my modern car.
>
> There’s a lot of conflicting guidance online, which seems to stem from
> some changes to the MOT rules. So I started there, with the relevant part
> seeming to be section 4.1.4:
> https://www.gov.uk/guidance/mot-inspection-manual-for-private-passenger-and-light-commercial-vehicles/
>
>
>
> If I’ve understood it correctly, replacing your halogen bulbs with HID or
> LED equivalents is forbidden for any car used after 1st April 1986, and
> will lead to an automatic failure (‘light source and lamp not
> compatible’).  But the part that’s of interest to me, the amended rule,
> seems to state that there is NOT an automatic failure if you have replaced
> the **entire** headlamp unit with an LED or HID alternative. I’m
> presuming that they would need to be CE/UK CA marked, or given an E number
> but, again, that aspect seems to generate conflicting answers – and
> imported Japan-only or USA-only models seem to be able to pass MOTs just
> fine without those markings from what I’ve read.
>
>
>
> There seem to be loads of possible replacement headlight units out there
> so I was wondering firstly if I’ve understood all of this correctly (anyone
> know a tame MOT tester?) and secondly if any of you have replaced your Q’s
> entire original halogen units with an LED or HID alternative. I’d be
> fascinated to hear what you picked and how it played out.
>
>
>
> Hope you’re all having a great weekend.
>
>
>
> Matthew
>
> Q2-275
>
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Headlamp upgrades

2023-07-25 Thread John Woodward 
My 2+2 is 1985 registered and the cheap Ebay H4 Led headlight bulbs would 
have failed the MOT, the tester let me fit the original H4's. I then 
purchased a pair of Osram H4 Led headlight bulbs, which made a fantastic 
difference, but a lot of people were flashing me, as I was dazzling them, I 
then adjusted the headlights to lower the beam slightly and now nobody 
flashes at me, I can see so much more and the car has passed 2 MOT's with 
no problems.

On Sunday, 23 July 2023 at 13:45:29 UTC+1 list...@liberator-systems.co.uk 
wrote:

> The headlight rule change re LED etc. in 2021 was pretty silly IMO and 
> came in for much criticism. Why pick April 1986 as date ? Surely it would 
> be better if all older cars were allowed to improve their halogen style 
> headlights. 
> My saloon is 1985 reg so luckily I can legally fit led bulbs. 
>
> With regard MOT test I suspect failure is going to be down to how 
> stringent the individual tester is. Decent brand led replacement bulbs 
> should give correct beam pattern - after all the manufacturer must have 
> spent considerable time and effort developing and testing.  So if beam 
> pattern is correct why fail? One option of course is to just pop in some 
> old H4 bulbs just for the MOT.
>
> John
>  
> On Saturday, 22 July 2023 at 20:36:04 UTC+1 Mick L wrote:
>
>> As far as I'm aware they allow hid etc if they have washers and self 
>> levelling? Correct my if I am wrong?
>> --
>> *From:* quantu...@googlegroups.com  on 
>> behalf of Darren Siepka 
>> *Sent:* 22 July 2023 18:38
>> *To:* quantu...@googlegroups.com 
>> *Subject:* Re: [Quantum Owners] Headlamp upgrades 
>>  
>> Yes my 2+2 head lights ( and flaps) have gone ! 
>> I have created a mount with the new 90mm Hella unit and a small 
>> indicator( also modular Hella but about 40mm dia) .
>> The 90mm unit is a bi-xenon , it has a single bulb with a flap to create 
>> the dip cutoff pattern needed for mot.
>> Two additional items are also needed for xenon ( not sure about led), 
>> that is headlamp washers and self levelling.
>> Hella sell universal kits to go with the 90mm products , but the washers 
>> are easily and more cheaply done with a universal windscreen wash kit.
>>
>> Levelling is a little more tricky, the Hella kit uses ultrasonics , I am 
>> using OEM lever arm sensors(BMW mini). I am making up a small driver module 
>> that will read the inputs and adjust the std OEM headlight motors . I will 
>> publish the build details including firmware as open source as I do all my 
>> work on GitHub.
>> My friendly MOT man is going to let me use the beam aligner out of hours 
>> to set it up and confirm all is well before the actual MOT test. But I need 
>> to finish getting the car back on road before I can do that.
>>
>> Darren
>>
>> On Sat, 22 Jul 2023, 17:51 mgaskin via Quantum Owners Group, <
>> quantu...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>>  
>>
>> I’ve been doing some reading on the rules about headlights as for a long 
>> time I’ve wanted to improve my 2+2’s headlights, which seem particularly 
>> underwhelming after using my modern car.
>>
>> There’s a lot of conflicting guidance online, which seems to stem from 
>> some changes to the MOT rules. So I started there, with the relevant part 
>> seeming to be section 4.1.4: 
>> https://www.gov.uk/guidance/mot-inspection-manual-for-private-passenger-and-light-commercial-vehicles/
>>
>>  
>>
>> If I’ve understood it correctly, replacing your halogen bulbs with HID or 
>> LED equivalents is forbidden for any car used after 1st April 1986, and 
>> will lead to an automatic failure (‘light source and lamp not 
>> compatible’).  But the part that’s of interest to me, the amended rule, 
>> seems to state that there is NOT an automatic failure if you have replaced 
>> the **entire** headlamp unit with an LED or HID alternative. I’m 
>> presuming that they would need to be CE/UK CA marked, or given an E number 
>> but, again, that aspect seems to generate conflicting answers – and 
>> imported Japan-only or USA-only models seem to be able to pass MOTs just 
>> fine without those markings from what I’ve read.
>>
>>  
>>
>> There seem to be loads of possible replacement headlight units out there 
>> so I was wondering firstly if I’ve understood all of this correctly (anyone 
>> know a tame MOT tester?) and secondly if any of you have replaced your Q’s 
>> entire original halogen units with an LED or HID alternative. I’d be 
>> fascinated to hear what you picked and how it play

Re: [Quantum Owners] Headlamp upgrades

2023-07-25 Thread 'bobbycraigis' via Quantum Owners Group 
Hi have 100 watt halogen bulbs in mine as did Matthew before me (upgraded 
wiring) which strictly speaking are illegal but never been noticed by any MOT 
tester.Bob Craig Q2-063Sent from my Galaxy
 Original message From: "list...@liberator-systems.co.uk" 
 Date: 23/07/2023  13:45  (GMT+00:00) To: 
Quantum Owners Group  Subject: Re: [Quantum 
Owners] Headlamp upgrades The headlight rule change re LED etc. in 2021 was 
pretty silly IMO and came in for much criticism. Why pick April 1986 as date ? 
Surely it would be better if all older cars were allowed to improve their 
halogen style headlights. My saloon is 1985 reg so luckily I can legally fit 
led bulbs. With regard MOT test I suspect failure is going to be down to how 
stringent the individual tester is. Decent brand led replacement bulbs should 
give correct beam pattern - after all the manufacturer must have spent 
considerable time and effort developing and testing.  So if beam pattern is 
correct why fail? One option of course is to just pop in some old H4 bulbs just 
for the MOT.John On Saturday, 22 July 2023 at 20:36:04 UTC+1 Mick L wrote:




As far as I'm aware they allow hid etc if they have washers and self levelling? 
Correct my if I am wrong?


From: quantu...@googlegroups.com  on behalf of 
Darren Siepka 
Sent: 22 July 2023 18:38
To: quantu...@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Headlamp upgrades
 


Yes my 2+2 head lights ( and flaps) have gone !
I have created a mount with the new 90mm Hella unit and a small indicator( also 
modular Hella but about 40mm dia) .
The 90mm unit is a bi-xenon , it has a single bulb with a flap to create the 
dip cutoff pattern needed for mot.
Two additional items are also needed for xenon ( not sure about led), that is 
headlamp washers and self levelling.
Hella sell universal kits to go with the 90mm products , but the washers are 
easily and more cheaply done with a universal windscreen wash kit.


Levelling is a little more tricky, the Hella kit uses ultrasonics , I am using 
OEM lever arm sensors(BMW mini). I am making up a small driver module that will 
read the inputs and adjust the std OEM headlight motors . I will publish the 
build
 details including firmware as open source as I do all my work on GitHub.
My friendly MOT man is going to let me use the beam aligner out of hours to set 
it up and confirm all is well before the actual MOT test. But I need to finish 
getting the car back on road before I can do that.


Darren



On Sat, 22 Jul 2023, 17:51 mgaskin via Quantum Owners Group, 
 wrote:




Hi all,
 
I’ve been doing some reading on the rules about headlights as for a long time 
I’ve wanted to improve my 2+2’s headlights, which seem particularly 
underwhelming after using my modern car.
There’s a lot of conflicting guidance online, which seems to stem from some 
changes to the MOT rules. So I started there, with the relevant part seeming to 
be section 4.1.4:

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/mot-inspection-manual-for-private-passenger-and-light-commercial-vehicles/
 
If I’ve understood it correctly, replacing your halogen bulbs with HID or LED 
equivalents is forbidden for any car used after 1st April 1986, and will lead 
to an automatic failure (‘light source and lamp not compatible’). 
 But the part that’s of interest to me, the amended rule, seems to state that 
there is NOT an automatic failure if you have replaced the *entire* headlamp 
unit with an LED or HID alternative. I’m presuming that they would need to be 
CE/UK CA marked,
 or given an E number but, again, that aspect seems to generate conflicting 
answers – and imported Japan-only or USA-only models seem to be able to pass 
MOTs just fine without those markings from what I’ve read.
 
There seem to be loads of possible replacement headlight units out there so I 
was wondering firstly if I’ve understood all of this correctly (anyone know a 
tame MOT tester?) and secondly if any of you have replaced your Q’s entire 
original
 halogen units with an LED or HID alternative. I’d be fascinated to hear what 
you picked and how it played out.
 
Hope you’re all having a great weekend.
 
Matthew
Q2-275



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Re: [Quantum Owners] Headlamp upgrades

2023-07-25 Thread Dave English 
Hi Matthew.
Improving the headlights can certainly cause some headaches, part of the 
reason I stuck with the round headlight version of the 2+2 all those years 
ago!
Working out what will pass an MOT is part of the problem, complying with 
Constructions and Use regulations is a different matter. 
>From what I've managed to work out previously for my 2+2 and currently for 
my Vauxhall Cascada (really bad standard headlights, my Q was better), 
converting to a HID system requires a full HID headlight unit, not just a 
bulb. It also needs a self-levelling system and headlamp washers.
As our current Constructions and Use regs define light output by wattage 
and not lumens, replacing bulbs in any legally required lights with an LED 
equivalent is illegal because the wattage is wrong. An MOT will not pick 
this up provided the headlamp beam pattern is correct because they can't 
dismantle anything. Again, if you can fit a complete headlight unit from a 
Type Approved car that has LED headlights, it will be legal because it 
complies with the regs in Europe.
Just to make things interesting, companies can legally sell headlights and 
bulbs (and other car stuff) that are illegal for use on the road. They 
should mention it somewhere but even the phrase 'Ensure that this product 
complies with local regulations' can be hard to find.
It's possible that some of my info may be out of date, we've got to catch 
up with LED technology at some point.
For a bit of an improvement and to stay legal, I put Philips X-tremeVision 
Pro150 bulbs in my Cascada. These are a direct replacement and it went 
from' these light are bad' to 'these lights will do' (not 'these lights are 
good').
In my opinion you can fit what you like but please, please, don't use a HID 
system without self-levelling. As they bounce along the road the light 
colour appears to change and, a few years ago,  I very nearly pulled out in 
front of someone with this set up because it looked like an indicator 
flashing in a headlight unit.

Regards
Dave English

On Saturday, 22 July 2023 at 20:36:04 UTC+1 Mick L wrote:

> As far as I'm aware they allow hid etc if they have washers and self 
> levelling? Correct my if I am wrong?
> --
> *From:* quantu...@googlegroups.com  on behalf 
> of Darren Siepka 
> *Sent:* 22 July 2023 18:38
> *To:* quantu...@googlegroups.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [Quantum Owners] Headlamp upgrades 
>  
> Yes my 2+2 head lights ( and flaps) have gone ! 
> I have created a mount with the new 90mm Hella unit and a small indicator( 
> also modular Hella but about 40mm dia) .
> The 90mm unit is a bi-xenon , it has a single bulb with a flap to create 
> the dip cutoff pattern needed for mot.
> Two additional items are also needed for xenon ( not sure about led), that 
> is headlamp washers and self levelling.
> Hella sell universal kits to go with the 90mm products , but the washers 
> are easily and more cheaply done with a universal windscreen wash kit.
>
> Levelling is a little more tricky, the Hella kit uses ultrasonics , I am 
> using OEM lever arm sensors(BMW mini). I am making up a small driver module 
> that will read the inputs and adjust the std OEM headlight motors . I will 
> publish the build details including firmware as open source as I do all my 
> work on GitHub.
> My friendly MOT man is going to let me use the beam aligner out of hours 
> to set it up and confirm all is well before the actual MOT test. But I need 
> to finish getting the car back on road before I can do that.
>
> Darren
>
> On Sat, 22 Jul 2023, 17:51 mgaskin via Quantum Owners Group, <
> quantu...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
>  
>
> I’ve been doing some reading on the rules about headlights as for a long 
> time I’ve wanted to improve my 2+2’s headlights, which seem particularly 
> underwhelming after using my modern car.
>
> There’s a lot of conflicting guidance online, which seems to stem from 
> some changes to the MOT rules. So I started there, with the relevant part 
> seeming to be section 4.1.4: 
> https://www.gov.uk/guidance/mot-inspection-manual-for-private-passenger-and-light-commercial-vehicles/
>
>  
>
> If I’ve understood it correctly, replacing your halogen bulbs with HID or 
> LED equivalents is forbidden for any car used after 1st April 1986, and 
> will lead to an automatic failure (‘light source and lamp not 
> compatible’).  But the part that’s of interest to me, the amended rule, 
> seems to state that there is NOT an automatic failure if you have replaced 
> the **entire** headlamp unit with an LED or HID alternative. I’m 
> presuming that they would need to be CE/UK CA marked, or given an E number 
> but, again, that aspect seems to generate conflicting answers – and 
> imported Japan-only or USA-only models seem to be able to

Re: [Quantum Owners] Headlamp upgrades

2023-07-24 Thread Ken Needham 
Hi Mathew.
I have been down the same path as you but considering a change on my Lotus
elan
I drew the same conclusion as you and have fitted new led headlamp units
 The car has now been through 3 mot tests without comment.
The units I used are sold by pnmparts.co.uk. The improvement is excellent.
I have done considerable research and for once agree with the mot guidence.
Fitting hid or led bulbs in old headlight units results inmuch light
scatter. However I have found hid bulbs fitted to older projector lens
units work very well
I have fitted hid bulbs in a Alfa spider which has also passed several mots
without question



On Sat, 22 Jul 2023, 17:51 mgaskin via Quantum Owners Group, <
quantumowners@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I’ve been doing some reading on the rules about headlights as for a long
> time I’ve wanted to improve my 2+2’s headlights, which seem particularly
> underwhelming after using my modern car.
>
> There’s a lot of conflicting guidance online, which seems to stem from
> some changes to the MOT rules. So I started there, with the relevant part
> seeming to be section 4.1.4:
> https://www.gov.uk/guidance/mot-inspection-manual-for-private-passenger-and-light-commercial-vehicles/
>
>
>
> If I’ve understood it correctly, replacing your halogen bulbs with HID or
> LED equivalents is forbidden for any car used after 1st April 1986, and
> will lead to an automatic failure (‘light source and lamp not
> compatible’).  But the part that’s of interest to me, the amended rule,
> seems to state that there is NOT an automatic failure if you have replaced
> the **entire** headlamp unit with an LED or HID alternative. I’m
> presuming that they would need to be CE/UK CA marked, or given an E number
> but, again, that aspect seems to generate conflicting answers – and
> imported Japan-only or USA-only models seem to be able to pass MOTs just
> fine without those markings from what I’ve read.
>
>
>
> There seem to be loads of possible replacement headlight units out there
> so I was wondering firstly if I’ve understood all of this correctly (anyone
> know a tame MOT tester?) and secondly if any of you have replaced your Q’s
> entire original halogen units with an LED or HID alternative. I’d be
> fascinated to hear what you picked and how it played out.
>
>
>
> Hope you’re all having a great weekend.
>
>
>
> Matthew
>
> Q2-275
>
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Headlamp upgrades

2023-07-23 Thread list...@liberator-systems.co.uk 
The headlight rule change re LED etc. in 2021 was pretty silly IMO and came 
in for much criticism. Why pick April 1986 as date ? Surely it would be 
better if all older cars were allowed to improve their halogen style 
headlights. 
My saloon is 1985 reg so luckily I can legally fit led bulbs. 

With regard MOT test I suspect failure is going to be down to how stringent 
the individual tester is. Decent brand led replacement bulbs should give 
correct beam pattern - after all the manufacturer must have spent 
considerable time and effort developing and testing.  So if beam pattern is 
correct why fail? One option of course is to just pop in some old H4 bulbs 
just for the MOT.

John
 
On Saturday, 22 July 2023 at 20:36:04 UTC+1 Mick L wrote:

> As far as I'm aware they allow hid etc if they have washers and self 
> levelling? Correct my if I am wrong?
> --
> *From:* quantu...@googlegroups.com  on behalf 
> of Darren Siepka 
> *Sent:* 22 July 2023 18:38
> *To:* quantu...@googlegroups.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [Quantum Owners] Headlamp upgrades 
>  
> Yes my 2+2 head lights ( and flaps) have gone ! 
> I have created a mount with the new 90mm Hella unit and a small indicator( 
> also modular Hella but about 40mm dia) .
> The 90mm unit is a bi-xenon , it has a single bulb with a flap to create 
> the dip cutoff pattern needed for mot.
> Two additional items are also needed for xenon ( not sure about led), that 
> is headlamp washers and self levelling.
> Hella sell universal kits to go with the 90mm products , but the washers 
> are easily and more cheaply done with a universal windscreen wash kit.
>
> Levelling is a little more tricky, the Hella kit uses ultrasonics , I am 
> using OEM lever arm sensors(BMW mini). I am making up a small driver module 
> that will read the inputs and adjust the std OEM headlight motors . I will 
> publish the build details including firmware as open source as I do all my 
> work on GitHub.
> My friendly MOT man is going to let me use the beam aligner out of hours 
> to set it up and confirm all is well before the actual MOT test. But I need 
> to finish getting the car back on road before I can do that.
>
> Darren
>
> On Sat, 22 Jul 2023, 17:51 mgaskin via Quantum Owners Group, <
> quantu...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
>  
>
> I’ve been doing some reading on the rules about headlights as for a long 
> time I’ve wanted to improve my 2+2’s headlights, which seem particularly 
> underwhelming after using my modern car.
>
> There’s a lot of conflicting guidance online, which seems to stem from 
> some changes to the MOT rules. So I started there, with the relevant part 
> seeming to be section 4.1.4: 
> https://www.gov.uk/guidance/mot-inspection-manual-for-private-passenger-and-light-commercial-vehicles/
>
>  
>
> If I’ve understood it correctly, replacing your halogen bulbs with HID or 
> LED equivalents is forbidden for any car used after 1st April 1986, and 
> will lead to an automatic failure (‘light source and lamp not 
> compatible’).  But the part that’s of interest to me, the amended rule, 
> seems to state that there is NOT an automatic failure if you have replaced 
> the **entire** headlamp unit with an LED or HID alternative. I’m 
> presuming that they would need to be CE/UK CA marked, or given an E number 
> but, again, that aspect seems to generate conflicting answers – and 
> imported Japan-only or USA-only models seem to be able to pass MOTs just 
> fine without those markings from what I’ve read.
>
>  
>
> There seem to be loads of possible replacement headlight units out there 
> so I was wondering firstly if I’ve understood all of this correctly (anyone 
> know a tame MOT tester?) and secondly if any of you have replaced your Q’s 
> entire original halogen units with an LED or HID alternative. I’d be 
> fascinated to hear what you picked and how it played out.
>
>  
>
> Hope you’re all having a great weekend.
>
>  
>
> Matthew
>
> Q2-275
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Headlamp upgrades

2023-07-22 Thread Mick L 
As far as I'm aware they allow hid etc if they have washers and self levelling? 
Correct my if I am wrong?

From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com  on behalf 
of Darren Siepka 
Sent: 22 July 2023 18:38
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Headlamp upgrades

Yes my 2+2 head lights ( and flaps) have gone !
I have created a mount with the new 90mm Hella unit and a small indicator( also 
modular Hella but about 40mm dia) .
The 90mm unit is a bi-xenon , it has a single bulb with a flap to create the 
dip cutoff pattern needed for mot.
Two additional items are also needed for xenon ( not sure about led), that is 
headlamp washers and self levelling.
Hella sell universal kits to go with the 90mm products , but the washers are 
easily and more cheaply done with a universal windscreen wash kit.

Levelling is a little more tricky, the Hella kit uses ultrasonics , I am using 
OEM lever arm sensors(BMW mini). I am making up a small driver module that will 
read the inputs and adjust the std OEM headlight motors . I will publish the 
build details including firmware as open source as I do all my work on GitHub.
My friendly MOT man is going to let me use the beam aligner out of hours to set 
it up and confirm all is well before the actual MOT test. But I need to finish 
getting the car back on road before I can do that.

Darren

On Sat, 22 Jul 2023, 17:51 mgaskin via Quantum Owners Group, 
mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi all,



I’ve been doing some reading on the rules about headlights as for a long time 
I’ve wanted to improve my 2+2’s headlights, which seem particularly 
underwhelming after using my modern car.

There’s a lot of conflicting guidance online, which seems to stem from some 
changes to the MOT rules. So I started there, with the relevant part seeming to 
be section 4.1.4: 
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/mot-inspection-manual-for-private-passenger-and-light-commercial-vehicles/



If I’ve understood it correctly, replacing your halogen bulbs with HID or LED 
equivalents is forbidden for any car used after 1st April 1986, and will lead 
to an automatic failure (‘light source and lamp not compatible’).  But the part 
that’s of interest to me, the amended rule, seems to state that there is NOT an 
automatic failure if you have replaced the *entire* headlamp unit with an LED 
or HID alternative. I’m presuming that they would need to be CE/UK CA marked, 
or given an E number but, again, that aspect seems to generate conflicting 
answers – and imported Japan-only or USA-only models seem to be able to pass 
MOTs just fine without those markings from what I’ve read.



There seem to be loads of possible replacement headlight units out there so I 
was wondering firstly if I’ve understood all of this correctly (anyone know a 
tame MOT tester?) and secondly if any of you have replaced your Q’s entire 
original halogen units with an LED or HID alternative. I’d be fascinated to 
hear what you picked and how it played out.



Hope you’re all having a great weekend.



Matthew

Q2-275

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Headlamp upgrades

2023-07-22 Thread Darren Siepka 
Yes my 2+2 head lights ( and flaps) have gone !
I have created a mount with the new 90mm Hella unit and a small indicator(
also modular Hella but about 40mm dia) .
The 90mm unit is a bi-xenon , it has a single bulb with a flap to create
the dip cutoff pattern needed for mot.
Two additional items are also needed for xenon ( not sure about led), that
is headlamp washers and self levelling.
Hella sell universal kits to go with the 90mm products , but the washers
are easily and more cheaply done with a universal windscreen wash kit.

Levelling is a little more tricky, the Hella kit uses ultrasonics , I am
using OEM lever arm sensors(BMW mini). I am making up a small driver module
that will read the inputs and adjust the std OEM headlight motors . I will
publish the build details including firmware as open source as I do all my
work on GitHub.
My friendly MOT man is going to let me use the beam aligner out of hours to
set it up and confirm all is well before the actual MOT test. But I need to
finish getting the car back on road before I can do that.

Darren

On Sat, 22 Jul 2023, 17:51 mgaskin via Quantum Owners Group, <
quantumowners@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I’ve been doing some reading on the rules about headlights as for a long
> time I’ve wanted to improve my 2+2’s headlights, which seem particularly
> underwhelming after using my modern car.
>
> There’s a lot of conflicting guidance online, which seems to stem from
> some changes to the MOT rules. So I started there, with the relevant part
> seeming to be section 4.1.4:
> https://www.gov.uk/guidance/mot-inspection-manual-for-private-passenger-and-light-commercial-vehicles/
>
>
>
> If I’ve understood it correctly, replacing your halogen bulbs with HID or
> LED equivalents is forbidden for any car used after 1st April 1986, and
> will lead to an automatic failure (‘light source and lamp not
> compatible’).  But the part that’s of interest to me, the amended rule,
> seems to state that there is NOT an automatic failure if you have replaced
> the **entire** headlamp unit with an LED or HID alternative. I’m
> presuming that they would need to be CE/UK CA marked, or given an E number
> but, again, that aspect seems to generate conflicting answers – and
> imported Japan-only or USA-only models seem to be able to pass MOTs just
> fine without those markings from what I’ve read.
>
>
>
> There seem to be loads of possible replacement headlight units out there
> so I was wondering firstly if I’ve understood all of this correctly (anyone
> know a tame MOT tester?) and secondly if any of you have replaced your Q’s
> entire original halogen units with an LED or HID alternative. I’d be
> fascinated to hear what you picked and how it played out.
>
>
>
> Hope you’re all having a great weekend.
>
>
>
> Matthew
>
> Q2-275
>
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