[qubes-users] systemd-timer for qubes-sync-clock

[Niels Kobschätzki]

Hi,

since I prefer systemd-timers over cron jobs (systemctl list-timers is great and
they log automatically to journalctl), I created a service and a timer for it. 
I have no
idea what would be the best way to create a pull-request for them, so I post
them here:

When you create them yourself you can put them in /etc/systemd/system

qubes-sync-clock.service
[Unit]
Description=This syncs the clock

[Service]
type=simpel
ExecStart=/usr/bin/qvm-sync-clock

[Install]
WantedBy=default.target


qubes-sync-clock.timer
[Unit]
Description=Sync the clock every 6 minutes

[Timer]
Persistent=false
OnBootSec=15
OnCalendar=*:0/6
Unit=qubes-sync-clock.service

[Install]
WantedBy=timers.target

When you have both files:
systemctl start qubes-sync-clock.service
systemctl enable qubes-sync-clock.service
systemctl start qubes-sync-clock.timer
systemctl enable qubes-sync-clock.timer

When you want to see when the timer ran the last time and will run the next
time:
systemctl list-timers

And when there is something to log, it is in the journal (journalctl)

The interesting man-pages:
* systemd.timer(5)
* systemd.time(7)

I have not that much experience with services/timers, so I just adapted what I
use for my personal timers…

Niels

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Re: [qubes-users] NTP?

[Niels Kobschätzki]

Andrew David Wong writes:

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> On 2016-07-16 14:06, Niels Kobschätzki wrote:
>> 
>> I booted my computer tonight and the time was off by 2 hours. Then I
>> figured out that ntp is not running. So I installed ntpdate and of course
>> it cannot use any pre-configured time-servers. Are there any time servers
>> that dom0 can use?  Or which documentation would I need to read to give
>> dom0 access to a couple of time servers? Or is ntp problematic enough that
>> dom0 shouldn't use it at all cost?
>> 
> The time should be synced automatically by this cron job (in dom0):
>
> /etc/cron.d/qubes-sync-clock.cron
>
> ...which uses the qvm-sync-clock command.
>
> Check your cron log to see if it's been running:
>
> $ cat /var/log/cron

But systemctl status crond shows that it apparently runs.
Did anyone think about switching from cron to systemd-timers for QubesOS? If yes
but didn't do the switch, I'd be interested in hearing why. Personally I really 
prefer them

Niels

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Re: [qubes-users] NTP?

[Niels Kobschätzki]

Andrew David Wong writes:

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> On 2016-07-16 14:06, Niels Kobschätzki wrote:
>> 
>> I booted my computer tonight and the time was off by 2 hours. Then I
>> figured out that ntp is not running. So I installed ntpdate and of course
>> it cannot use any pre-configured time-servers. Are there any time servers
>> that dom0 can use?  Or which documentation would I need to read to give
>> dom0 access to a couple of time servers? Or is ntp problematic enough that
>> dom0 shouldn't use it at all cost?
>> 
>> Niels
>> 
>
> The time should be synced automatically by this cron job (in dom0):
>
> /etc/cron.d/qubes-sync-clock.cron
>
> ...which uses the qvm-sync-clock command.

Ah, good to know. Thanks.

> Check your cron log to see if it's been running:
>
> $ cat /var/log/cron

That file doesn't exist.

Niels

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Re: [qubes-users] Can't Boot From Win10 Retail USB

[Andrew David Wong]

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On 2016-07-16 15:27, rick.jeffr...@gmail.com wrote:
> Successful install of Qubes on a Dell Latitude E6510.
> 
> Thought I would attempt a Windows 10 HVM.  Creation of the HVM is fine; 
> attempts to boot the VM from the retail media fail.  Although Dom0 sees
> the Microsoft retail USB, and I'm able to create a DD iso from it, I can't
> seem to get the VM to recognize the boot media when I start.
> 
> the VM says:
> 
> ata0 slave: QEMU HARDDISK ATA-7 Hard-Drive (2048 MBytes) ata1 slave: QUME 
> DVD-ROM ATAPI-4 CD-Rom/DVD-Rom
> 
> iPXE (http://ipxe.org) 00:04.0 CA00PCI2.10 PMM+00100010+00113020 CA00
> 
> Press F12 for boot menu
> 
> Booting from CD-Rom 14783MB medium detected (this is about the size of the 
> windows USB stick) CDROM boot failure code: 0005 Boot from CD-Rom failed: 
> could not read the boot disk
> 
> Booting from Hard Disk... Boot from Hard Disk failed: not a bootable disk
> 
> No bootable device. Powering off in 30 seconds.
> 
> I've tried what seems like every permutation of adding an argument like 
> --cdrom=/dev/sdb, cdrom=/path/to/win10.iso, drive=cdrom/dev/sdb, etc.
> I've also used the GUI functions for using these paths as "additional
> drives."
> 
> I am fearing there is some anti-piracy doodad on the retail USB that
> prevents me from booting unless I'm booting, but I can't think of what that
> would be.
> 
> 
> New guy.  If you're going to drop a lot of cli-fu on me, go slowly.
> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> Rick
> 

There's probably a problem with your ISO. You can download the correct one
legally and for free from Microsoft's website following these instructions:

https://redd.it/4jwlel

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Re: [qubes-users] NTP?

[Andrew David Wong]

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On 2016-07-16 14:06, Niels Kobschätzki wrote:
> 
> I booted my computer tonight and the time was off by 2 hours. Then I
> figured out that ntp is not running. So I installed ntpdate and of course
> it cannot use any pre-configured time-servers. Are there any time servers
> that dom0 can use?  Or which documentation would I need to read to give
> dom0 access to a couple of time servers? Or is ntp problematic enough that
> dom0 shouldn't use it at all cost?
> 
> Niels
> 

The time should be synced automatically by this cron job (in dom0):

/etc/cron.d/qubes-sync-clock.cron

...which uses the qvm-sync-clock command.

Check your cron log to see if it's been running:

$ cat /var/log/cron

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[qubes-users] Can't Boot From Win10 Retail USB

[rick . jeffries]

Successful install of Qubes on a Dell Latitude E6510.

Thought I would attempt a Windows 10 HVM.  Creation of the HVM is fine; 
attempts to boot the VM from the retail media fail.  Although Dom0 sees the 
Microsoft retail USB, and I'm able to create a DD iso from it, I can't seem to 
get the VM to recognize the boot media when I start.  

the VM says:

ata0 slave: QEMU HARDDISK ATA-7 Hard-Drive (2048 MBytes)
ata1 slave: QUME DVD-ROM ATAPI-4 CD-Rom/DVD-Rom

iPXE (http://ipxe.org) 00:04.0 CA00PCI2.10 PMM+00100010+00113020 CA00

Press F12 for boot menu

Booting from CD-Rom 
14783MB medium detected (this is about the size of the windows USB stick)
CDROM boot failure code: 0005
Boot from CD-Rom failed: could not read the boot disk

Booting from Hard Disk...
Boot from Hard Disk failed: not a bootable disk

No bootable device.
Powering off in 30 seconds.

I've tried what seems like every permutation of adding an argument like 
--cdrom=/dev/sdb, cdrom=/path/to/win10.iso, drive=cdrom/dev/sdb, etc.  I've 
also used the GUI functions for using these paths as "additional drives."

I am fearing there is some anti-piracy doodad on the retail USB that prevents 
me from booting unless I'm booting, but I can't think of what that would be.  

New guy.  If you're going to drop a lot of cli-fu on me, go slowly.

Many thanks, 

Rick

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[qubes-users] NTP?

[Niels Kobschätzki]

I booted my computer tonight and the time was off by 2 hours. Then I figured out
that ntp is not running. So I installed ntpdate and of course it cannot use any
pre-configured time-servers. Are there any time servers that dom0 can use?  Or
which documentation would I need to read to give dom0 access to a couple of time
servers?
Or is ntp problematic enough that dom0 shouldn't use it at all cost?

Niels

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Re: [qubes-users] VM dependencies and autostarting VMs?

[Niels Kobschätzki]

Marek Marczykowski-Górecki writes:

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> On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 09:32:14AM +0200, Niels Kobschätzki wrote:
>> 
>> Is there a way to start VMs automatically depending on others like with 
>> NetVMs. When I start for example my AppVM work, its NetVM work-vpn will be
>> started automatically.
>> I'd like to have for example getting my vault-VM automatically started when I
>> start my mail-VM. Is that somehow possible?
>
> Not directly. But if you request some service in other VM (like try to
> use GPG keys from other VM using split-gpg), that other VM will be
> automatically started.

Yes, I know. Hm, well, ok.

>> Or is it possible to start certain VMs on boot? After every boot I start the
>> same VMs and it would be nice to not to do that each time manually.
>
> Yes, you can select VM to autostart on boot in VM settings.

Thanks, found it. That helps a lot :)

Niels

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[qubes-users] Re: HCL DELL Latitude E6410

[Benson Muite]

On 7/16/16 7:03 PM, zellajr-re5jqeeqqe8avxtiumw...@public.gmane.org wrote:
> On Saturday, January 31, 2015 at 11:47:21 PM UTC-5, David wrote:
>> So far everything working OK
>> networking ok both wired and wireless
>> sleeping ok
>> video intel ok
> 
> I actually have a Dell E6400, will Qubes still run on it?  It was not listed 
> in the HCL but I went off of the E6410 specs thinking the two cannot be too 
> much different.
> 
> Thank you,
> Jeremy
> 

Hi,

Have tried Dell Latitude E5430. It seemed to work, though have not done
extensive testing. As suggested elsewhere, it is possible to install on
an external hard drive connected by USB for testing.

Benson



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[qubes-users] Re: HCL DELL Latitude E6410

[zellajr]

On Saturday, January 31, 2015 at 11:47:21 PM UTC-5, David wrote:
> So far everything working OK
> networking ok both wired and wireless
> sleeping ok
> video intel ok

I actually have a Dell E6400, will Qubes still run on it?  It was not listed in 
the HCL but I went off of the E6410 specs thinking the two cannot be too much 
different.

Thank you,
Jeremy

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes 3.1 crashing, no warning, no error message (Lenovo X230)

[Manuel Amador (Rudd-O)]

On 07/07/2016 03:41 AM, Drew White wrote:
> On Thursday, 7 July 2016 03:28:10 UTC+10, Andreas Rasmussen  wrote:
>> Hi!
>>
>> I bought a Lenovo x230 and installed Qubes 3.1 early may. It has worked
>> like a charm, but in the last two or three weeks the computer has been
>> shutting down without warning or error message. It has happened five
>> times with no apparent pattern. It has both happened with both many and
>> few VM's open.
>>
>> The crash goes like this: The screen freezes for 3-5 seconds, then the
>> computer reboots. I get no error message. The reboot looks like a normal
>> boot.
>>
>> I have tried to look in the logfiles, but I'm not sure I'm looking the
>> right places. So for starters: Can anyone tell me what files to look in?
>> /var/log/messages only seem to have information about the session after
>> the crash, same goes for boot.log.
>>
>> (My computer skills are limited, so please bare with me)
>>
>> best,
>>
>> Andreas
>>
>>
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> I would advise installing Qubes 3.0 if you have not yet.
> If that doesn't have the issue, then it's something in 3.1 that changed from 
> 3.0.
>
> I've had similar issues on another laptop. 3.0 didn't have an issue, 3.1 
> froze and crashed, and so did 3.2.
>
> So, go back a revision, if that doesn't work, put on version 2 and see if 
> that has issues.
> If 3.0 works, maybe just try reinstallign 3.1, it may just have been a bad 
> install, or else try installing it again first, before putting on 3.0.

The kernels shipping in 3.1 had a bug.  This has been corrected in the
qubes testing repo that has the kernel 4.4.10-14 package.  It's only
avaliable for 3.2.

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Re: [qubes-users] Qubes 3.1 crashing, no warning, no error message (Logitech Unifying receiver and mouse)

[Manuel Amador (Rudd-O)]

On 07/07/2016 01:31 PM, Chris Laprise wrote:
> On 07/07/2016 06:49 AM, Andreas Rasmussen wrote:
>> [logitech mouse crash]
>>>
>> Where do I read more on this? Thanks for the input!
>>
>
> https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/1689
>
> Chris
>

I installed the kernel package that was uploaded to the testing repo,
and I am happy to report that the problem APPEARS solved, for the moment
at least.  I haven't had any crashes so far.


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Re: [qubes-users] R3.1 install fails on Lenovo T420s: Can't mount root filesystem

[Marek Marczykowski-Górecki]

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On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 06:31:23PM -0700, Brendan wrote:
> I have a Lenovo T420s (4174W2F). I was able to install Qubes R2 from a DVD 
> without a hitch. However, when attempting to install R3.1 the process fails 
> with a series of messages of the form:
> 
> [  xx.xx] dracut-mount[787]: mount: /dev/mapper/live-rw: can't read 
> superblock
> 
> followed by:
> 
> [  xx.xx] dracut-mount[787]: Warning: Can't mount root filesystem
> 
> I have attached the rdsosreport.txt. Please let me know if there's any other 
> data that would be useful, and thanks for your help.

It looks like the installation image is incomplete. Note that Qubes 3.1
installation image do not fit on single-layer DVD, nor 4GB usb stick.
You need either double-layer DVD, or larger USB stick.

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Re: [qubes-users] VM dependencies and autostarting VMs?

[Marek Marczykowski-Górecki]

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On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 09:32:14AM +0200, Niels Kobschätzki wrote:
> 
> Is there a way to start VMs automatically depending on others like with 
> NetVMs. When I start for example my AppVM work, its NetVM work-vpn will be
> started automatically.
> I'd like to have for example getting my vault-VM automatically started when I
> start my mail-VM. Is that somehow possible?

Not directly. But if you request some service in other VM (like try to
use GPG keys from other VM using split-gpg), that other VM will be
automatically started.

> Or is it possible to start certain VMs on boot? After every boot I start the
> same VMs and it would be nice to not to do that each time manually.

Yes, you can select VM to autostart on boot in VM settings.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes Network Setup Service

[adam]

On Saturday, 16 July 2016 17:40:20 UTC+8, Adam  wrote:
> Does anyone actually have any ideas about my original post?
> 
> Cheers
> Adam

to add some more debugging info, the windows event logger keeps showing this 
error

Event filter with query "SELECT * FROM __InstanceModificationEvent WITHIN 60 
WHERE TargetInstance ISA "Win32_Processor" AND TargetInstance.LoadPercentage > 
99" could not be reactivated in namespace "//./root/CIMV2" because of error 
0x80041003. Events cannot be delivered through this filter until the problem is 
corrected.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: installer 3.2 bugs

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On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 10:22:53PM -0700, Drew White wrote:
> On Friday, 15 July 2016 11:34:24 UTC+10, Marek Marczykowski-Górecki  wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 06:19:56PM -0700, Iestyn Best wrote:
> > > @Marek please correct me if I am wrong but I believe that all standard 
> > > templates (ie. fedora, debian and whonix) are installed even if you 
> > > select the option "do not configure anything", it just should not create 
> > > any appVMs.
> > Yes.
> > Template configuration about which Drew is talking is basically getting
> > list of installed applications and their icons, so when you create
> > VMs, you will get entries in the menu.
> 
> Is that all that happens when it says it's configuring the templates?

Yes.

> If that is all that it is doing, why does it take so long? (just a query)

Because it needs to start the template, download all the icons, color
them to VM label etc.

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[qubes-users] Re: AEM with Linux 4.4 causes hard reboot (cont... Trying to resolve issue)

[Andrew David Wong]

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On 2016-07-15 16:38, Chris Laprise wrote:
> On 07/15/2016 09:33 AM, Chris Laprise wrote:
> 
>> On 07/13/2016 11:15 AM, Chris Laprise wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am able to get 4.4.* to boot now! The trick was to add
>>> 'min_ram=0x200' to the tboot options like I used to do--the AEM
>>> README describes how.
>>> 
>>> But now I cannot get AEM to seal the secret. Nothing at all about AEM
>>> is displayed during startup, even though rd.antievilmaid is on the
>>> kernel options line.
>>> 
>>> Chris
>>> 
>> 
>> For the record, AEM is now working on my system. The other thing that
>> was required was to update the anti-evil-maid package to version 3.0.3.
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
> 
> @Andrew, Todd Lasman...
> 
> Could one/both of you try this out ...please? :D  Especially the tboot 
> workaround; It only requires pressing 'e' at the grub prompt and adding
> the parameter to the multiboot tboot line (then press Ctrl-x to boot).
> 
> It would be good to see if this works on other machines before either
> closing the issue[1] or inquiring upstream.
> 
> Thanks, Chris
> 
> 1. https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2155
> 

Thanks for all of your work on this, Chris. I might have some time to help
test this soon.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes Network Setup Service

[Adam]

Does anyone actually have any ideas about my original post?

Cheers
Adam

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes Network Setup Service

[Achim Patzner]

Am 16. Juli 2016 6:59:38 vorm. schrieb Drew White :
Congrats Drew, I'm finally taking the time to reroute all incoming messages 
from drew.qu...@gmail.com to /dev/null.


That's okay, you can block that address if you want, I'll just post from a 
different account every day just to annoy you. :} naa, I wouldn't do that, 
I'm not that much of a prick. But to block all my accounts, you would have 
to block some other people that you think are different people, but are 
actually me. lol


In the good old time on Usenet we always thought "if adding that jerk to 
the local kill file didn't suffice we could add him to the kill file at 
kgbvax and specialists were going to take care of the problem in the real 
world". Maybe it's still active.


YOU, Jeremy, are one of the people I dislike more than anyone I have ever 
met or heard from online.


Some rabbi told me once "if you're pointing a finger at a person there will 
be four fingers pointing at yourself".



Achim


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[qubes-users] VM dependencies and autostarting VMs?

[Niels Kobschätzki]

Is there a way to start VMs automatically depending on others like with 
NetVMs. When I start for example my AppVM work, its NetVM work-vpn will be
started automatically.
I'd like to have for example getting my vault-VM automatically started when I
start my mail-VM. Is that somehow possible?
Or is it possible to start certain VMs on boot? After every boot I start the
same VMs and it would be nice to not to do that each time manually.

Niels

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Re: [qubes-users] Installing Older Kernels

[Drew White]

On Saturday, 16 July 2016 16:35:25 UTC+10, raah...@gmail.com  wrote:
> On Saturday, July 16, 2016 at 2:26:39 AM UTC-4, Drew White wrote:
> > On Saturday, 16 July 2016 16:22:46 UTC+10, raah...@gmail.com  wrote:
> > > On Saturday, July 16, 2016 at 1:03:01 AM UTC-4, Drew White wrote:
> > > > On Friday, 15 July 2016 13:29:42 UTC+10, raah...@gmail.com  wrote:
> > > > > Are you talking about the kernel for dom0 or fedora template?  Why do 
> > > > >  you want an older kernel?
> > > > 
> > > > I have backups of older Linux Guests, Fedora 23. From Qubes 3.1, and 
> > > > RESTORING them into 3.2, but since the backup doesn't backup the kernel 
> > > > that is used, OR the full guest, the guest itself is completely broken. 
> > > > And since it's broken I cant even restore it to a new installation of 
> > > > 3.1.
> > > 
> > > Why do you need the older kernel, what do you mean by broken?
> > 
> > I restore it, it says it will use the newer kernel, but then it just 
> > doesn't start or says it can't find the files or folder or says it just 
> > can't boot or starts then immediately shuts down.
> 
> did you make any custom modifications to that template?  I believe qubes 
> recommend you don't do that to default templates cause it can cause restore 
> errors and use a cloned template instead.
> 
> If its just a matter of installing some apps,  just keep a list and reinstall 
> them on new system is probably easier.

It was a standalone AppVM. Complete copy, then alterations.

The fact I altered the templates to remove the .., and put on security 
applications that I require for all templates, whether they are standard or 
not. If they are on the system, I'll add security. Such as Anti-Malware 
products that I trust. So not Nortons, not AVG, not Avast, only ones that are 
good.

Not to mention adding my scripts that I add in to the /rw/rc.local because that 
is required for all of my templates to set the settings and things that Qubes 
doesn't set properly that I have reported before that still are not resolved.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Networking

[Drew White]

On Saturday, 16 July 2016 16:25:50 UTC+10, raah...@gmail.com  wrote:
> 
> lol, are you sure you are not creating problems for yourself?  You would make 
> a great beta tester, but it doesn't seem you are using qubes like a normal 
> person.
> 
> Strange that it would work on 3.2 but not in 3.1.  I wonder why that is.  I 
> was just guessing that it worked after you immediated testing after a fresh 
> install.   I'm sure if we gave you time on 3.2 you'd do something it on there 
> too lmao...

lol, not at all. I'm using like a normal person actually.
I'm using it as a developer at work, and a normal person at home. I'm having 
the same issues when at work or home, whether I'm using it as a developer OR a 
"normal person".

I mean, I'm a user, not an end-user, when at home.

Qubes isn't really made for end-users anyway. It's too complicated for the 
general end-user.

And no, even on a FRESH INSTALL, it has the same issues.
Even when using a 4 Gbps NIC, it has the same issues in 3.1
Nothing broken or altered at all, and the issue exists.

So I'm not to blame for the issue. I don't know who/what is, but I know it's 
not me. (at least for this issue/problem [lol])

As a beta tester, I would be good, because I push things to their limits, 
unlike other people who just think "this is what it's mean to be able to do, 
I'll only do half of that".

So.. Please define "Normal Person"...

3.2 has some changes to it. The networking works perfectly from linux -> linux 
-> Network.
What is different I don't know, but it works. and it has the SAME CHANGES that 
I made in 3.1 to improve security and all. And it works fine.
Windows is the only one that has a 100 Mbps NIC inside Windows, instead of 
Gigabit.

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Re: [qubes-users] Installing Older Kernels

[raahelps]

On Saturday, July 16, 2016 at 2:26:39 AM UTC-4, Drew White wrote:
> On Saturday, 16 July 2016 16:22:46 UTC+10, raah...@gmail.com  wrote:
> > On Saturday, July 16, 2016 at 1:03:01 AM UTC-4, Drew White wrote:
> > > On Friday, 15 July 2016 13:29:42 UTC+10, raah...@gmail.com  wrote:
> > > > Are you talking about the kernel for dom0 or fedora template?  Why do  
> > > > you want an older kernel?
> > > 
> > > I have backups of older Linux Guests, Fedora 23. From Qubes 3.1, and 
> > > RESTORING them into 3.2, but since the backup doesn't backup the kernel 
> > > that is used, OR the full guest, the guest itself is completely broken. 
> > > And since it's broken I cant even restore it to a new installation of 3.1.
> > 
> > Why do you need the older kernel, what do you mean by broken?
> 
> I restore it, it says it will use the newer kernel, but then it just doesn't 
> start or says it can't find the files or folder or says it just can't boot or 
> starts then immediately shuts down.

did you make any custom modifications to that template?  I believe qubes 
recommend you don't do that to default templates cause it can cause restore 
errors and use a cloned template instead.

If its just a matter of installing some apps,  just keep a list and reinstall 
them on new system is probably easier.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Networking

[raahelps]

On Saturday, July 16, 2016 at 2:25:50 AM UTC-4, raah...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, July 16, 2016 at 1:01:25 AM UTC-4, Drew White wrote:
> > On Friday, 15 July 2016 13:28:36 UTC+10, raah...@gmail.com  wrote:
> > > ok so what I said the first time then.  Its only the windows vms you have 
> > > problems with.
> > 
> > In 3.2, yes. 3.2 has about 500 different bugs that cause it to be close to 
> > unusable. (number exaggerated because I lost count at 137 sand couldn't 
> > remember if I'd counted specific bugs before or not)
> > 
> > In 3.1, which is stable, no.
> > In 3.0, no.
> > in 2.x, no.
> 
> lol, are you sure you are not creating problems for yourself?  You would make 
> a great beta tester, but it doesn't seem you are using qubes like a normal 
> person.
> 
> Strange that it would work on 3.2 but not in 3.1.  I wonder why that is.  I 
> was just guessing that it worked after you immediated testing after a fresh 
> install.   I'm sure if we gave you time on 3.2 you'd do something it on there 
> too lmao...

*to break it on there too.

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Re: [qubes-users] Installing Older Kernels

[Drew White]

On Saturday, 16 July 2016 16:22:46 UTC+10, raah...@gmail.com  wrote:
> On Saturday, July 16, 2016 at 1:03:01 AM UTC-4, Drew White wrote:
> > On Friday, 15 July 2016 13:29:42 UTC+10, raah...@gmail.com  wrote:
> > > Are you talking about the kernel for dom0 or fedora template?  Why do  
> > > you want an older kernel?
> > 
> > I have backups of older Linux Guests, Fedora 23. From Qubes 3.1, and 
> > RESTORING them into 3.2, but since the backup doesn't backup the kernel 
> > that is used, OR the full guest, the guest itself is completely broken. And 
> > since it's broken I cant even restore it to a new installation of 3.1.
> 
> Why do you need the older kernel, what do you mean by broken?

I restore it, it says it will use the newer kernel, but then it just doesn't 
start or says it can't find the files or folder or says it just can't boot or 
starts then immediately shuts down.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Networking

[raahelps]

On Saturday, July 16, 2016 at 1:01:25 AM UTC-4, Drew White wrote:
> On Friday, 15 July 2016 13:28:36 UTC+10, raah...@gmail.com  wrote:
> > ok so what I said the first time then.  Its only the windows vms you have 
> > problems with.
> 
> In 3.2, yes. 3.2 has about 500 different bugs that cause it to be close to 
> unusable. (number exaggerated because I lost count at 137 sand couldn't 
> remember if I'd counted specific bugs before or not)
> 
> In 3.1, which is stable, no.
> In 3.0, no.
> in 2.x, no.

lol, are you sure you are not creating problems for yourself?  You would make a 
great beta tester, but it doesn't seem you are using qubes like a normal person.

Strange that it would work on 3.2 but not in 3.1.  I wonder why that is.  I was 
just guessing that it worked after you immediated testing after a fresh 
install.   I'm sure if we gave you time on 3.2 you'd do something it on there 
too lmao...

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Re: [qubes-users] Installing Older Kernels

[raahelps]

On Saturday, July 16, 2016 at 1:03:01 AM UTC-4, Drew White wrote:
> On Friday, 15 July 2016 13:29:42 UTC+10, raah...@gmail.com  wrote:
> > Are you talking about the kernel for dom0 or fedora template?  Why do  you 
> > want an older kernel?
> 
> I have backups of older Linux Guests, Fedora 23. From Qubes 3.1, and 
> RESTORING them into 3.2, but since the backup doesn't backup the kernel that 
> is used, OR the full guest, the guest itself is completely broken. And since 
> it's broken I cant even restore it to a new installation of 3.1.

Why do you need the older kernel, what do you mean by broken?

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Re: [qubes-users] Help: sys-nets internal networking not working

[Niels Kobschätzki]

Niels Kobschätzki writes:

> today I booted my computer and networking is not working for anything besides 
> sys-net on 3.2 RC1. 
> sys-net successfully connects to the WLAN and has internet access but nothing 
> else apparently. Doing an ip addr list shows only a down virtual interface. 
> Thus I think that sys-firewall just can't route any traffic through it. 
> I attached a photo of my display (with the relevant data I think). Sorry, I 
> can right now send only mails from my phone with the hosed networking on my 
> computer. 
> I tried to configure it manually with if config but that didn't really 
> worked. 
> What can I do?

More googling and I found the solution:
I had to manually start the service xendriverdomain (systemctl start
xendriverdomain) in sys-net (and I think in sys-firewall, too). Now everything
works again. I didn't reboot yet but I hope the systemctl enable xendriverdomain
did take care of the problem.

Niels

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