Re: [qubes-users] Proxy VM option missing upon creating a new VM !
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 2018-08-25 15:33, Chris Laprise wrote: > On 08/25/2018 03:59 PM, Andrew David Wong wrote: >> On 2018-08-25 14:24, 'awokd' via qubes-users wrote: >>> On Sat, August 25, 2018 7:01 pm, Chris Laprise wrote: On 08/25/2018 02:25 PM, Rusty Bird wrote: > odindva0...@gmail.com: > >> I am using version R 4.O and recently decided to set up a new Vpn >> connection . But when I try to select the type is only giving me >> AppVM >> and Standalone option so obviously I can't move forward . I am >> attaching picture of it so you can see it youself : >> https://imgur.com/a/xTmpUDX . >> > > Tick the "provides network" box, that's the R4.0 equivalent to ProxyVM > in older Qubes versions. > > Rusty > I've come to the conclusion that attempting to change the terminology for VM types was a mistake. People are getting confused and referring to "network-providing appVM" in the generic is awkward at best -- especially if you are merely describing or referring to VMs instead of giving instructions on creating them. >>> >>> Think some additional text in the dialog box like "provides network >>> ('ProxyVM')" would do it? Agree that "network-providing appVM" is a >>> bit of >>> a mouthful. >>> >> >> If I understand correctly, it's not merely a terminological change. >> Rather, there is simply no longer such a thing as a "ProxyVM" in Qubes >> 4.0, where a "ProxyVM" is understood to be a VM that has the inherent >> property of proxying network access. Instead, "provides network" is a >> switchable property can apply (or not) to *any* VM. You can flip the >> switch on to make a VM play the role of a ProxyVM (and/or a NetVM?), >> then switch it off again later, and it'll still be the same VM. At any >> rate, that's what I gather from this comment from Marek: >> >> https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/1763#issuecomment-188786341 >> > > Except VMs internally still use the proxyVM term in /var/run/qubes for > example. Its how my VPN code makes decisions about where+what to run. > > I'd vote for adding (ProxyVM) in parentheses to the "provides network" > label (not tooltip) in the create dialog. > In that case, I certainly agree. Calling it "provides network" is clearly an attempt to accommodate new users who don't know what a ProxyVM is, but there's no reason to confuse experienced users by removing *all* mention of ProxyVM, when we can accommodate both groups by simply calling it "provides network (ProxyVM)". - -- Andrew David Wong (Axon) Community Manager, Qubes OS https://www.qubes-os.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEEZQ7rCYX0j3henGH1203TvDlQMDAFAluCW0AACgkQ203TvDlQ MDCW0Q/7BNTyaCkmoC9788EIU9C6Q4ob+yuXJRHs8nLD4kEOW/cQJTByeUdErQOM S+zgBOKkG28AzeOIMtjqbNPSQ9Pja28uWRLCEQPWIETnfHocxPpQemckOQa8f8Pz 1jpu5ndSekEkjSVGvXU05OEUVb4AEQcQ4Tm4R65NjarILGqDAf08zJdaIrnj3Up+ sS46FLqYNpy6J+A/6Pm2XeZRu4gwc48Dpuz+xAnMXhe7ZFQ7qtFagqsGcQQgksB4 T1If57Ndei0/pZmRKB7/p+uiAHtDkfYnj80mFg+x3gaK5J3ughaOWBE88eSWcnjc J6AdUdSFOeU0YO5pejlVTrQP0kKU7mlKX5n76GS1bLr/OY/r4ijGKqcazeSj1lKy xHT9sFWp+hpTCwP0F2wgSsnte0q/c/q9tNGUrTTQ3PzT26nf4N1t089wCg9KiqKR PnT31EeNdBBlBMuq1XCq6xFjoy8sQnKh6Cih2qxk5h43OiwA8zstArTYc+eiJ3DH U2D+4DZHLMxkcRYTmYUM6MObLjJS0gQ9A2qqWD0u+uv8rMkrrcnS5icUbKtwz0Xc V9TGpcUdjhNAQF43y0AIx5EDgrofzLyqfOtOXgP7rSzYBbEkVp5mG1FVkeYfToKl XpF7yulSsLe8dvv+I/KjaGwnkwpXUlffp4vlLNrS2dOyt7cOJSw= =IZdK -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/fcd24c61-b212-e57b-22d4-6906dad66442%40qubes-os.org. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Proxy VM option missing upon creating a new VM !
On 08/25/2018 03:59 PM, Andrew David Wong wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 2018-08-25 14:24, 'awokd' via qubes-users wrote: On Sat, August 25, 2018 7:01 pm, Chris Laprise wrote: On 08/25/2018 02:25 PM, Rusty Bird wrote: odindva0...@gmail.com: I am using version R 4.O and recently decided to set up a new Vpn connection . But when I try to select the type is only giving me AppVM and Standalone option so obviously I can't move forward . I am attaching picture of it so you can see it youself : https://imgur.com/a/xTmpUDX . Tick the "provides network" box, that's the R4.0 equivalent to ProxyVM in older Qubes versions. Rusty I've come to the conclusion that attempting to change the terminology for VM types was a mistake. People are getting confused and referring to "network-providing appVM" in the generic is awkward at best -- especially if you are merely describing or referring to VMs instead of giving instructions on creating them. Think some additional text in the dialog box like "provides network ('ProxyVM')" would do it? Agree that "network-providing appVM" is a bit of a mouthful. If I understand correctly, it's not merely a terminological change. Rather, there is simply no longer such a thing as a "ProxyVM" in Qubes 4.0, where a "ProxyVM" is understood to be a VM that has the inherent property of proxying network access. Instead, "provides network" is a switchable property can apply (or not) to *any* VM. You can flip the switch on to make a VM play the role of a ProxyVM (and/or a NetVM?), then switch it off again later, and it'll still be the same VM. At any rate, that's what I gather from this comment from Marek: https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/1763#issuecomment-188786341 Except VMs internally still use the proxyVM term in /var/run/qubes for example. Its how my VPN code makes decisions about where+what to run. I'd vote for adding (ProxyVM) in parentheses to the "provides network" label (not tooltip) in the create dialog. -- Chris Laprise, tas...@posteo.net https://github.com/tasket https://twitter.com/ttaskett PGP: BEE2 20C5 356E 764A 73EB 4AB3 1DC4 D106 F07F 1886 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/f58e69f6-1724-571d-d2f0-c39562b3f32f%40posteo.net. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Proxy VM option missing upon creating a new VM !
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 2018-08-25 14:24, 'awokd' via qubes-users wrote: > On Sat, August 25, 2018 7:01 pm, Chris Laprise wrote: >> On 08/25/2018 02:25 PM, Rusty Bird wrote: >>> odindva0...@gmail.com: >>> I am using version R 4.O and recently decided to set up a new Vpn connection . But when I try to select the type is only giving me AppVM and Standalone option so obviously I can't move forward . I am attaching picture of it so you can see it youself : https://imgur.com/a/xTmpUDX . >>> >>> Tick the "provides network" box, that's the R4.0 equivalent to ProxyVM >>> in older Qubes versions. >>> >>> Rusty >>> >> >> I've come to the conclusion that attempting to change the terminology >> for VM types was a mistake. People are getting confused and referring to >> "network-providing appVM" in the generic is awkward at best -- >> especially if you are merely describing or referring to VMs instead of >> giving instructions on creating them. > > Think some additional text in the dialog box like "provides network > ('ProxyVM')" would do it? Agree that "network-providing appVM" is a bit of > a mouthful. > If I understand correctly, it's not merely a terminological change. Rather, there is simply no longer such a thing as a "ProxyVM" in Qubes 4.0, where a "ProxyVM" is understood to be a VM that has the inherent property of proxying network access. Instead, "provides network" is a switchable property can apply (or not) to *any* VM. You can flip the switch on to make a VM play the role of a ProxyVM (and/or a NetVM?), then switch it off again later, and it'll still be the same VM. At any rate, that's what I gather from this comment from Marek: https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/1763#issuecomment-188786341 - -- Andrew David Wong (Axon) Community Manager, Qubes OS https://www.qubes-os.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEEZQ7rCYX0j3henGH1203TvDlQMDAFAluBtNIACgkQ203TvDlQ MDBV2A//WPKcKZTXs9gtuVRGYx7r48FxogcELo675e6mVDOzIKJV9u8X0QssoPdg 3MkuO0U2dCgz0JmW3/aBX5jztViBaT5IfHggqv3cTUe4OILy6n0gcTQ68p9VlsDS +4uwzhyPX4S5Qj4Kamz4mN3TlfgA7Bkp6u9X5Io12RlCVMX7wgt1zPFXFjdY8cln xXtug6lkATgTRn5vzaeP22Tz8/i6H3ccaDOrXWPzNmpaikxYhpd8PMSAJpB+E3k3 I5AzIlr2Trxh7XkfaGuJjo5JOAsLJqTOpSSGeSo4Mju1ApITmjYqnpi8yraNc3hz FsJZVgv0awsX7uwFJHL4uMxVNbmaAcyz9OQ6qIzScZ4Z6cYGyMSRdxEoRmS3A0fq 5coGAA6qgYgoAWlZCzxfZZv8ZqQtEWiJrynz63PWd1Zr9ejWoIwEkGxMZ+MVUxD5 CBDqFhodZb98J3xJ0e/Elnf0+zAYYVvo2DS55JA9c8nrwzJtwS45ECDXP38rxYkk ArfV1lpLLYoYYmBpBe7Sd+sKt/6Uai4+4Ll8YhIUE394dwIGVQXQ6w59MRk6f2Fs DmfruPTGJ+JoZQfQjphgAG35pjalU6cR/KgyjCAJYgF1OWDZSGUhGdpn4wrA0Fpo 77cOCb5zoCl1QzdWSDAPzC1CVCdpwT3ywPZ5sQetYTWc8DXJbVo= =XNqi -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/94a96850-9da8-a9b3-fd88-9c0804f67dd4%40qubes-os.org. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Proxy VM option missing upon creating a new VM !
On Sat, August 25, 2018 7:01 pm, Chris Laprise wrote: > On 08/25/2018 02:25 PM, Rusty Bird wrote: > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA512 >> >> >> odindva0...@gmail.com: >> >>> I am using version R 4.O and recently decided to set up a new Vpn >>> connection . But when I try to select the type is only giving me AppVM >>> and Standalone option so obviously I can't move forward . I am >>> attaching picture of it so you can see it youself : >>> https://imgur.com/a/xTmpUDX . >>> >> >> Tick the "provides network" box, that's the R4.0 equivalent to ProxyVM >> in older Qubes versions. >> >> Rusty >> > > I've come to the conclusion that attempting to change the terminology > for VM types was a mistake. People are getting confused and referring to > "network-providing appVM" in the generic is awkward at best -- > especially if you are merely describing or referring to VMs instead of > giving instructions on creating them. Think some additional text in the dialog box like "provides network ('ProxyVM')" would do it? Agree that "network-providing appVM" is a bit of a mouthful. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/9e76bf9a2cb9be3b927766c8a9ebdf43.squirrel%40tt3j2x4k5ycaa5zt.onion. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Proxy VM option missing upon creating a new VM !
On 08/25/2018 02:25 PM, Rusty Bird wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 odindva0...@gmail.com: I am using version R 4.O and recently decided to set up a new Vpn connection . But when I try to select the type is only giving me AppVM and Standalone option so obviously I can't move forward . I am attaching picture of it so you can see it youself : https://imgur.com/a/xTmpUDX . Tick the "provides network" box, that's the R4.0 equivalent to ProxyVM in older Qubes versions. Rusty I've come to the conclusion that attempting to change the terminology for VM types was a mistake. People are getting confused and referring to "network-providing appVM" in the generic is awkward at best -- especially if you are merely describing or referring to VMs instead of giving instructions on creating them. -- Chris Laprise, tas...@posteo.net https://github.com/tasket https://twitter.com/ttaskett PGP: BEE2 20C5 356E 764A 73EB 4AB3 1DC4 D106 F07F 1886 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/985ef3e7-895f-cd11-c5ba-1b74d210dbb5%40posteo.net. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Proxy VM option missing upon creating a new VM !
On Saturday, August 25, 2018 at 8:36:19 PM UTC+2, Rusty Bird wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > odindva0...@gmail.com: > > I am using version R 4.O and recently decided to set up a new Vpn > > connection . > > But when I try to select the type is only giving me AppVM and > > Standalone option so obviously I can't move forward . I am attaching > > picture of it so you can see it youself : > > https://imgur.com/a/xTmpUDX . > > Tick the "provides network" box, that's the R4.0 equivalent to ProxyVM > in older Qubes versions. > > Rusty > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > > iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJbgZ8sXxSAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w > ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQ4NEI1OUJDRkM2MkIxMjlGRTFCMDZEMDQ0 > NjlENzhGNDdBQUYyQURGAAoJEEadePR6ryrfaqwP/RLtbBETqXUmN+euKfYuJq8+ > pSuEOJ5K3fu3IJKdXxpmNpPQwgX8gnmWJiTP2KZZQWLGZhvh9yVplEVRzrekXFwu > jnqnhEaHMCdoeuzya3hz/Rc1Wn5dn/9lRqDyaJ86pQskHRoZwT3nV7rfCo71esAG > dFH5YNsXycnl+sap+N3oloG100b8ZwD6qc7mjwbYs3xH/tJTjtCkOF8i86OYYt8H > Tg1Z4UIyWP21cvbacY/7hcVnGSZ9HLXPCz33zv1pLL1UhOimKXuMzsbXlIEZPVcQ > ZUW9z5zC4r5hmDMy0DU8HqHqsYBVzeYUWwMEOyQSMTrxpDOJfWfxiZz+BUDPhcfW > PsfMMKknwR07e+d37dnbVu3qPDVRcjaQ4i5f1uoTu8HJzI+4XAuofgOvolKtR5p0 > EkrkkSl8fBDMANlVDTtEY/eTkquq5sy3q/ga0fbW35OvuMpO9kNC5cqzxetYxe1j > smHJYNyvfcf2B23Sn1sswSSAajPIzRHjkxnRfAWLGZsY4q+3eWh87YIU0GT73tkq > ubYtJ3vXznLbpBdjtH95/5sCUXN3D8S+/d3lxydP5hpRmVVi5TicWFI/iEPKRcsQ > jvz1ZeI+ZCLGMPIQk8lwt2LLyG3EhQxq8/Pths0HJi9F2ul3DDU0fo4/ilGRI3Rj > ETnUfqXw1xpxaT5RPB+G > =Ki9u > -END PGP SIGNATURE- Many thanks ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/a36d8131-7879-439a-b1bb-dd41d3bfbdd7%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Proxy VM option missing upon creating a new VM !
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 odindva0...@gmail.com: > I am using version R 4.O and recently decided to set up a new Vpn connection . > But when I try to select the type is only giving me AppVM and > Standalone option so obviously I can't move forward . I am attaching > picture of it so you can see it youself : > https://imgur.com/a/xTmpUDX . Tick the "provides network" box, that's the R4.0 equivalent to ProxyVM in older Qubes versions. Rusty -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJbgZ8sXxSAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQ4NEI1OUJDRkM2MkIxMjlGRTFCMDZEMDQ0 NjlENzhGNDdBQUYyQURGAAoJEEadePR6ryrfaqwP/RLtbBETqXUmN+euKfYuJq8+ pSuEOJ5K3fu3IJKdXxpmNpPQwgX8gnmWJiTP2KZZQWLGZhvh9yVplEVRzrekXFwu jnqnhEaHMCdoeuzya3hz/Rc1Wn5dn/9lRqDyaJ86pQskHRoZwT3nV7rfCo71esAG dFH5YNsXycnl+sap+N3oloG100b8ZwD6qc7mjwbYs3xH/tJTjtCkOF8i86OYYt8H Tg1Z4UIyWP21cvbacY/7hcVnGSZ9HLXPCz33zv1pLL1UhOimKXuMzsbXlIEZPVcQ ZUW9z5zC4r5hmDMy0DU8HqHqsYBVzeYUWwMEOyQSMTrxpDOJfWfxiZz+BUDPhcfW PsfMMKknwR07e+d37dnbVu3qPDVRcjaQ4i5f1uoTu8HJzI+4XAuofgOvolKtR5p0 EkrkkSl8fBDMANlVDTtEY/eTkquq5sy3q/ga0fbW35OvuMpO9kNC5cqzxetYxe1j smHJYNyvfcf2B23Sn1sswSSAajPIzRHjkxnRfAWLGZsY4q+3eWh87YIU0GT73tkq ubYtJ3vXznLbpBdjtH95/5sCUXN3D8S+/d3lxydP5hpRmVVi5TicWFI/iEPKRcsQ jvz1ZeI+ZCLGMPIQk8lwt2LLyG3EhQxq8/Pths0HJi9F2ul3DDU0fo4/ilGRI3Rj ETnUfqXw1xpxaT5RPB+G =Ki9u -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/20180825182548.GA1101%40mutt. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[qubes-users] Proxy VM option missing upon creating a new VM !
Hey guys , I am using version R 4.O and recently decided to set up a new Vpn connection . But when I try to select the type is only giving me AppVM and Standalone option so obviously I can't move forward . I am attaching picture of it so you can see it youself : https://imgur.com/a/xTmpUDX . If annyone can point me to what's wrong will be great. Much appreciated -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/6c70e6fb-8c78-4935-b22d-067196aa50db%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.