Re: [qubes-users] Re: GPU passthrough: 2000 USD bounty
That escalated quickly... Guys come on, this was supposed to be gpu passthrough thread not pc fanboy vs console fanboy thread. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/657bb49c-5425-4978-836d-ea6bd729b855%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Re: GPU passthrough: 2000 USD bounty
On 04/25/2017 11:29 AM, cooloutac wrote: You have a ps4 and you want to game on the pc? why? Pc gaming died a decade ago cause piraters, cheaters, and ddos. What? there are still many decent new games being released. I play BF4 and only encounter obvious cheaters once in a blue moon and they always get banned by stat based anti-cheat like fairfight (server side anti-cheat is the only way to go, no bullshit kernel drivers required either) Consoles suck, even the new versions of the PS4/Xbone can't play at native resolutions with at least 60FPS and once the OEM shuts down the servers your games are useless - people are still playing BF1942 because they were able to easily reverse engineer a master server and anyone can DL the server files but that wouldn't be possible on a console. Not to mention the DRM and always-online requirements for singleplayer games (yeah PC is DRM'ed too, but there are still great AAA games that get released without it such as The Witcher 3 and the Metro series) Piracy doesn't result in bad game sales, only bad games do and denuvo proves that - the witcher 3 released without DRM sold many more copies in the first week than Mass Effect 3. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/f94c762c-836e-5ecc-4157-eab7e148fe2c%40gmx.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Re: GPU passthrough: 2000 USD bounty
On Tuesday, April 25, 2017 at 11:29:51 AM UTC-4, cooloutac wrote: > You have a ps4 and you want to game on the pc? why? Pc gaming died a decade > ago cause piraters, cheaters, and ddos. > > League of Legends is the only pc game on windows I would consider "popular" > tks to asian countries who take e-sports as serious as football. But On Linux > the only popular games are cs:go and Dota2 and unless you're a gaming pro or > someone who doesn't mind trolls, that would be sadistic...lol > > I would stick to single player games for consoles until they start jailing > kids like in Japan and Korea. Man do I miss ea-sports on the pc. 95-2005 was > a great decade. > > Hardware industry has been steady tankin since, and I don't blame tablets or > smartphones. I built a computer for the first time in years only for Qubes, > but no way I'd waste money on a gaming rig for me and my hardware to get > abused. Actually I called dota2 and cs:go popular, but only by linux standards. millions at a time playing LoL compared to maybe 50,000 playing dota2, 20,000 playing cs:go and I'm sure those numbers are fabricated. And thats world wide. And I find it such a shame that only moba games are popular. But they are the hardest games for anarchists to undermine I guess... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/7986fe73-7b69-487b-981f-8d47f37ce9ab%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Re: GPU passthrough: 2000 USD bounty
You have a ps4 and you want to game on the pc? why? Pc gaming died a decade ago cause piraters, cheaters, and ddos. League of Legends is the only pc game on windows I would consider "popular" tks to asian countries who take e-sports as serious as football. But On Linux the only popular games are cs:go and Dota2 and unless you're a gaming pro or someone who doesn't mind trolls, that would be sadistic...lol I would stick to single player games for consoles until they start jailing kids like in Japan and Korea. Man do I miss ea-sports on the pc. 95-2005 was a great decade. Hardware industry has been steady tankin since, and I don't blame tablets or smartphones. I built a computer for the first time in years only for Qubes, but no way I'd waste money on a gaming rig for me and my hardware to get abused. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/9b200d00-6591-446f-8ab4-bd5ab0b7f3e1%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Re: GPU passthrough: 2000 USD bounty
I don't know anything about your specific hardware, but it is true that secondary GPUs are often not connected to the display itself, but rather the rendering takes place there and then the rendered frames are passed back to the host and to the integrated gpu to be put on your display. From a Qubes perspective I believe this is actually a very good thing since it means we could keep the integrated GPU statically assigned to dom0, and keep the qubes gui protocol largely unchanged. The question would be one of getting the passed through GPU to render its output to some buffer which we pass back to dom0. There are still firmware-security issues associated with passing the discrete GPU between VMs of different trust levels, because someone who has full control of the GPU may be able to re-flash its firmware with something that would later perform a DMA attack against the 2nd VM it's attached to. However, if you only ever wish to pass it through to a single "gaming" windows HVM or such, this is not a problem. The reason integrated GPUs are interesting in this regard is that they do not have firmware which is persistently stored on the device, rather it is loaded externally on each power-on and subject to normal boot-security measures. The thinking is that by rebooting between assigning your integrated GPU to different VMs, you prevent one from compromising another via the GPU by making GPU compromise ephemeral. As for previous successes requiring upstream-QEMU in dom0, the problem here is that Xen only supports a very old forked QEMU in stubdomains, but this is something that will change. Progress in this area has stalled because there was an effort to run QEMU in a very minimal unikernel-style environment, but this effort has been abandoned and work is now underway towards making it run on top of linux (still in a separate stubdomain), which should take less work to bring to a usable state than the previous minimal-stubdom effort. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/CABQWM_CNR4BYGtkjhYoNhSS32JEQyts7n_o3-snNu_B90oN1sQ%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
