Re: [qubes-users] Re: problem with qubes xfce menu
On 03/11/2017 01:44 PM, Unman wrote: Hello, I realise with surprise that some items in the "Q"-symbol that gives the xfce menu have disappeared: the settings menu (!), the link to a dom0 termnal & the link to debian-8 template. Is there a way to recreate these items? Bernhard >>> > > Hello Bernhard, > > I should apologise for the tone of my last email to you, which was > pretty short. It was the end of a stressful day. I read your very detailed and patient answers on this list for a while, and this last one is another example. Thanks! You see, you were right, I did not search profoundly before filling up your mailboxes with my question. Meanwhile I did, yet without success. The log-in-logout trick does not work. > If ALL your dom0 entries have disappeared then I suspect that the desktop > files have been deleted from those directories, or moved. > So, have a look in /usr//share/applications - there should be many > .desktop files. There is not a single one. Strange. I had a battery failure with several unwanted hard power-offs. Maybe orphaned inodes were removed when rebooting? At least we have localized my problem :) > If there aren't all is not lost - you can look for them using 'find -name > *desktop' as root - I'd look in /lib., /usr and /var. > What you want are files that aren't prefixed "qubes", but just say (e.g > xfce4-terminal.desktop) If you find one open it in a text editor and > make sure that it contains a line "Exec " no *xfce*.desktop file in /var or /lib. I have 6 such files in /usr , 3 of which contain the word "exec": I have no sdt fedora left over, only cloned & enriched specialized f-24-minimals. As you said, for dom0 I only need xfce4-terminal.desktop (no copy left apart "helpers") and xfce4-settings-manager.desktop (no copy either). > Alternatively, reinstalling the packages you are concerned about should, > I think, reinstate the desktop files. > sudo dnf reinstall I accumulate problems, it seems: [me@dom0] sudo dnf reinstall xfce4-settings-qubes Failed to synchronize cache for repo 'qubes-dom0-cached', disabling. Installed package xfce4-settings-qubes-3.2.2-1.fc23.x86_64 (from anaconda) not available. Error: Nothing to do. > Or you could write your own .desktop file, or search for one on the web. > If you are really stuck I can send you some. Or I follow Raahelps comment and reinstall everything :) In the meanwhile xfce4-terminal.desktop would be nice to have (could you send it as PM, please)? I don't really need the settings menu - and in case I should be able to run it from the command line, don't I? But I can't live without a terminal. Bernhard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/dd466b4a-e183-e443-c78e-752e6120ebad%40web.de. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Re: problem with qubes xfce menu
On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 09:25:23AM +0100, haaber wrote: > On 03/10/2017 08:05 PM, cooloutac wrote: > >> Hello, > >> I realise with surprise that some items in the "Q"-symbol that gives > >> the > >> xfce menu have disappeared: the settings menu (!), the link to a dom0 > >> termnal & the link to debian-8 template. > >> > >> Is there a way to recreate these items? Bernhard > > > >>> > >>> To recreate the debian-8 menu you should be able to run > >>> qvm-sync-appmenus. (You'll need to start the template first.) > >>> This is referred to at www.qubes-os.org/doc/managing-appvm-shortcuts > >>> > >>> There have been numerous threads about using and abusing the menu > >>> system in xfce - please search and read them before posting here. > >> > >> main problem with xfce menu editor is it doesn't let you "abuse" it lol. > >> like creating or deleting new entries. Which would be much easier then > >> editing some files like a developer. > >> > >> Would that command also help other default shortcuts like shortcut for > >> dom0 desktop settings? > > > > Actually I gotta say Bernhard if that happened to me I would freak the > > heck out and probably reinstall the whole system from another iso. Do you > > know how it happened or what you were doing possibly cuased it, if I'm > > understanding you correctly? You are missing the settings shortcut? Were > > you tinkering with anything? > > This is not the only 'strange' thing, and I wait the first occasion of 1 > day without anything good to do to reinstall everything. Hope this > happens before Q4 comes out .. I already tested emergency backup of > data, via a live-usb key break-in into my crypto-descs. Knowing that I > am able to do that is relaxing a lot :) > > So: Unman's command worked for debian menu item, but it does not work > for dom0. > Would be too easy! But he pointed a page to read, so I rtfm. > > Thnaks a lot, guys! Bernhard > Hello Berhard, I should apologise for the tone of my last email to you, which was pretty short. It was the end of a stressful day. Xfce menus are (relatively) easy to understand. There are environment variables that are important: you can see these by running 'env|grep XDG' in dom0. XDG_DATA_DIRS, XDG_MENU_PREFIX and XDG_CONFIG_DIRS are important in this context. My guess is that you have CONFIG_DIRS at /etc/xdg. That mean that your menus are sourced from /etc/xdg/menus. If XDG_MENU_PREFIX is xfce- then the main menu will be at /etc/xdg/menus/xfce-applications.menu None of the other files in that directory matter for the moment. Menus are built by combining the contents of .desktop files, and a bit of magic to group them together. It's the .desktop files that are important. These are found (among other places) in XDG_DATA_DIRS - usually /usr/share/applications and /usr/local/share/applications If ALL your dom0 entries have disappeared then I suspect that the desktop files have been deleted from those directories, or moved. So, have a look in /usr//share/applications - there should be many .desktop files. If there aren't all is not lost - you can look for them using 'find -name *desktop' as root - I'd look in /lib., /usr and /var. NB Dont get excited about any desktop files you see in xfce/helpers - those aren't what you want. What you want are files that aren't prefixed "qubes", but just say (e.g xfce4-terminal.desktop) If you find one open it in a text editor and make sure that it contains a line "Exec " If you have a fedora template then you could look in the /etc/share/applications folder there, find the desktop files you want and copy them to dom0. There isn't a simple way of doing this but there is a guide here: www.qubes-os.org/doc/copy-from-dom0/ Alternatively, reinstalling the packages you are concerned about should, I think, reinstate the desktop files. sudo dnf reinstall Or you could write your own .desktop file, or search for one on the web. If you are really stuck I can send you some. Note that you don't need ALL the shortcuts for dom0, because you wouldn't/shouldn't be running programs there- so you only need menu entries for the programs that you do need - probably terminal and Settings manager. Once you have the .desktop files in /usr/share/applications, the menu entries should reappear - you can force this by running "xfdesktop --reload", or by logging out and logging back in. I hope this is of some help. If you need further help let us know. unman -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/20170311124429.GA22253%40thirdeyesecurity.org. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Re: problem with qubes xfce menu
On 03/10/2017 08:05 PM, cooloutac wrote: >> Hello, >> I realise with surprise that some items in the "Q"-symbol that gives the >> xfce menu have disappeared: the settings menu (!), the link to a dom0 >> termnal & the link to debian-8 template. >> >> Is there a way to recreate these items? Bernhard > >>> >>> To recreate the debian-8 menu you should be able to run >>> qvm-sync-appmenus. (You'll need to start the template first.) >>> This is referred to at www.qubes-os.org/doc/managing-appvm-shortcuts >>> >>> There have been numerous threads about using and abusing the menu >>> system in xfce - please search and read them before posting here. >> >> main problem with xfce menu editor is it doesn't let you "abuse" it lol. >> like creating or deleting new entries. Which would be much easier then >> editing some files like a developer. >> >> Would that command also help other default shortcuts like shortcut for dom0 >> desktop settings? > > Actually I gotta say Bernhard if that happened to me I would freak the heck > out and probably reinstall the whole system from another iso. Do you know > how it happened or what you were doing possibly cuased it, if I'm > understanding you correctly? You are missing the settings shortcut? Were you > tinkering with anything? This is not the only 'strange' thing, and I wait the first occasion of 1 day without anything good to do to reinstall everything. Hope this happens before Q4 comes out .. I already tested emergency backup of data, via a live-usb key break-in into my crypto-descs. Knowing that I am able to do that is relaxing a lot :) So: Unman's command worked for debian menu item, but it does not work for dom0. Would be too easy! But he pointed a page to read, so I rtfm. Thnaks a lot, guys! Bernhard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/8e403fa9-817b-a564-2689-fb0b08f39bfd%40web.de. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Re: problem with qubes xfce menu
On Friday, March 10, 2017 at 1:59:45 PM UTC-5, cooloutac wrote: > On Friday, March 10, 2017 at 6:40:17 AM UTC-5, Unman wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 08:52:37AM +0100, haaber wrote: > > > On 03/10/2017 05:51 AM, cooloutac wrote: > > > > On Thursday, March 9, 2017 at 3:04:34 PM UTC-5, haaber wrote: > > > >> Hello, > > > >> I realise with surprise that some items in the "Q"-symbol that gives > > > >> the > > > >> xfce menu have disappeared: the settings menu (!), the link to a dom0 > > > >> termnal & the link to debian-8 template. > > > >> > > > >> Is there a way to recreate these items? Bernhard > > > > > > > > what desktop you using? xfce try alt f3. > > > > > > Hello cooloutac, that brings indeed the "application finder". But it > > > won't find the items I miss. For debian-8 I fear my endless attempts to > > > install debian-8-dvm as standard template (involving > > > virsh -c xen:/// undefine debian-8-dvm ) > > > seems to have taken away the debian-8 out of the list. This is not the > > > most annoying. Qubes-VM-manager still sees it, so I can start & run a > > > command by hand. The missing dom0-console is more annoying (I can still > > > do Alt+F2 + xterm), but the missing xfce settings is really annoying. > > > > > > Bernhard > > > > Bernhard > > > > To recreate the debian-8 menu you should be able to run > > qvm-sync-appmenus. (You'll need to start the template first.) > > This is referred to at www.qubes-os.org/doc/managing-appvm-shortcuts > > > > There have been numerous threads about using and abusing the menu > > system in xfce - please search and read them before posting here. > > main problem with xfce menu editor is it doesn't let you "abuse" it lol. > like creating or deleting new entries. Which would be much easier then > editing some files like a developer. > > Would that command also help other default shortcuts like shortcut for dom0 > desktop settings? Actually I gotta say Bernhard if that happened to me I would freak the heck out and probably reinstall the whole system from another iso. Do you know how it happened or what you were doing possibly cuased it, if I'm understanding you correctly? You are missing the settings shortcut? Were you tinkering with anything? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/be822d7f-c94b-4797-a189-2fc95044a328%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Re: problem with qubes xfce menu
On Friday, March 10, 2017 at 6:40:17 AM UTC-5, Unman wrote: > On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 08:52:37AM +0100, haaber wrote: > > On 03/10/2017 05:51 AM, cooloutac wrote: > > > On Thursday, March 9, 2017 at 3:04:34 PM UTC-5, haaber wrote: > > >> Hello, > > >> I realise with surprise that some items in the "Q"-symbol that gives the > > >> xfce menu have disappeared: the settings menu (!), the link to a dom0 > > >> termnal & the link to debian-8 template. > > >> > > >> Is there a way to recreate these items? Bernhard > > > > > > what desktop you using? xfce try alt f3. > > > > Hello cooloutac, that brings indeed the "application finder". But it > > won't find the items I miss. For debian-8 I fear my endless attempts to > > install debian-8-dvm as standard template (involving > > virsh -c xen:/// undefine debian-8-dvm ) > > seems to have taken away the debian-8 out of the list. This is not the > > most annoying. Qubes-VM-manager still sees it, so I can start & run a > > command by hand. The missing dom0-console is more annoying (I can still > > do Alt+F2 + xterm), but the missing xfce settings is really annoying. > > > > Bernhard > > Bernhard > > To recreate the debian-8 menu you should be able to run > qvm-sync-appmenus. (You'll need to start the template first.) > This is referred to at www.qubes-os.org/doc/managing-appvm-shortcuts > > There have been numerous threads about using and abusing the menu > system in xfce - please search and read them before posting here. main problem with xfce menu editor is it doesn't let you "abuse" it lol. like creating or deleting new entries. Which would be much easier then editing some files like a developer. Would that command also help other default shortcuts like shortcut for dom0 desktop settings? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/71a55f61-c013-4521-959c-f832f87fcb79%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Re: problem with qubes xfce menu
On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 08:52:37AM +0100, haaber wrote: > On 03/10/2017 05:51 AM, cooloutac wrote: > > On Thursday, March 9, 2017 at 3:04:34 PM UTC-5, haaber wrote: > >> Hello, > >> I realise with surprise that some items in the "Q"-symbol that gives the > >> xfce menu have disappeared: the settings menu (!), the link to a dom0 > >> termnal & the link to debian-8 template. > >> > >> Is there a way to recreate these items? Bernhard > > > > what desktop you using? xfce try alt f3. > > Hello cooloutac, that brings indeed the "application finder". But it > won't find the items I miss. For debian-8 I fear my endless attempts to > install debian-8-dvm as standard template (involving > virsh -c xen:/// undefine debian-8-dvm ) > seems to have taken away the debian-8 out of the list. This is not the > most annoying. Qubes-VM-manager still sees it, so I can start & run a > command by hand. The missing dom0-console is more annoying (I can still > do Alt+F2 + xterm), but the missing xfce settings is really annoying. > > Bernhard Bernhard To recreate the debian-8 menu you should be able to run qvm-sync-appmenus. (You'll need to start the template first.) This is referred to at www.qubes-os.org/doc/managing-appvm-shortcuts There have been numerous threads about using and abusing the menu system in xfce - please search and read them before posting here. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/20170310114014.GA15946%40thirdeyesecurity.org. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Re: problem with qubes xfce menu
On 03/10/2017 05:51 AM, cooloutac wrote: > On Thursday, March 9, 2017 at 3:04:34 PM UTC-5, haaber wrote: >> Hello, >> I realise with surprise that some items in the "Q"-symbol that gives the >> xfce menu have disappeared: the settings menu (!), the link to a dom0 >> termnal & the link to debian-8 template. >> >> Is there a way to recreate these items? Bernhard > > what desktop you using? xfce try alt f3. Hello cooloutac, that brings indeed the "application finder". But it won't find the items I miss. For debian-8 I fear my endless attempts to install debian-8-dvm as standard template (involving virsh -c xen:/// undefine debian-8-dvm ) seems to have taken away the debian-8 out of the list. This is not the most annoying. Qubes-VM-manager still sees it, so I can start & run a command by hand. The missing dom0-console is more annoying (I can still do Alt+F2 + xterm), but the missing xfce settings is really annoying. Bernhard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/96101a38-f22f-8bc6-cc12-84bde5b6d78b%40web.de. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
