Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-14 Thread David J Taylor
Hi David, OK, you've convinced me. I've put noselect on the GPS and taken it away on the New York NIST server. The NY NIST server is now preferred and polling from 1 - 4 minutes. Hopefully they won't ban me for hitting it too often. I think the NIST server will have more jitter,

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-14 Thread David J Taylor
unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote in message news:I1T7r.36416$l12.35...@newsfe23.iad... [] Did you shut down and restart your computer? Did you perchance do this during the daylight savings time transition on a Windows system? Could the error be related to the fact that Windows like time on

Re: [ntp:questions] Offset Average (Normal)?

2012-03-14 Thread David J Taylor
Alby VA alb...@empire.org wrote in message news:2ece7b6a-e150-432d-b23a-a4bde46df...@j11g2000yqj.googlegroups.com... [] Hm, what do you think about this command for getting loopstat data? tail -n1 -r loopstats | awk '{print $3}' tail -n1 -r loopstats = This looks at the last line of the

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-14 Thread unruh
On 2012-03-13, Ron Frazier (NTP) timekeepingntpl...@c3energy.com wrote: Hi all, I just woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error. Prior to the error, with my PC locked into the GPS and the internet servers noselected, here's what my peerstats looked like. Baseline is the GPS. Colored lines are

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-14 Thread David Lord
Ron Frazier (NTP) wrote: On 3/13/2012 5:39 PM, David Lord wrote: Ron Frazier (NTP) wrote: On 3/13/2012 2:40 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Ron Frazier (NTP) timekeepingntpl...@c3energy.com wrote: Hi all, I just woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error. Prior to the

Re: [ntp:questions] Offset Average (Normal)?

2012-03-14 Thread Alby VA
On Mar 14, 2:55 am, David J Taylor david- tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid wrote: Alby VA alb...@empire.org wrote in message news:2ece7b6a-e150-432d-b23a-a4bde46df...@j11g2000yqj.googlegroups.com... [] Hm, what do you think about this command for getting loopstat data? tail

Re: [ntp:questions] Offset Average (Normal)?

2012-03-14 Thread David J Taylor
Alby VA alb...@empire.org wrote in message news:0d4f588e-bab6-4706-826e-299149054...@i2g2000vbv.googlegroups.com... [] Thanks. That bug report sounds like the best plan of attack. Can that bug report be tracked to see if any action is taken? Yes, it's number 2164. See:

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-14 Thread Ron Frazier (NTP)
On 3/14/2012 2:46 AM, David J Taylor wrote: Hi David, OK, you've convinced me. I've put noselect on the GPS and taken it away on the New York NIST server. The NY NIST server is now preferred and polling from 1 - 4 minutes. Hopefully they won't ban me for hitting it too often. I think the

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-14 Thread Ron Frazier (NTP)
On 3/14/2012 3:03 AM, unruh wrote: On 2012-03-13, Ron Frazier (NTP)timekeepingntpl...@c3energy.com wrote: Hi all, I just woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error. Prior to the error, with my PC locked into the GPS and the internet servers noselected, here's what my peerstats looked like.

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-14 Thread Ron Frazier (NTP)
On 3/14/2012 7:14 AM, David Lord wrote: Ron Frazier (NTP) wrote: On 3/13/2012 5:39 PM, David Lord wrote: Ron Frazier (NTP) wrote: On 3/13/2012 2:40 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Ron Frazier (NTP) timekeepingntpl...@c3energy.com wrote: Hi all, I just woke up

Re: [ntp:questions] Offset Average (Normal)?

2012-03-14 Thread Alby VA
On Mar 14, 8:03 am, David J Taylor david- tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid wrote: Alby VA alb...@empire.org wrote in message news:0d4f588e-bab6-4706-826e-299149054...@i2g2000vbv.googlegroups.com... [] Thanks. That bug report sounds like the best plan of attack. Can that bug report be

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-14 Thread David J Taylor
Hi David, OK. You asked for it. 8-) Well, I actually suggested /all/ the Internet servers being enabled, allowing NTP to make its best choice. When I'm through testing, I'll open up the other internet servers as a backup in case the GPS fails. For now, I'm just running with one clock

Re: [ntp:questions] Offset Average (Normal)?

2012-03-14 Thread David J Taylor
Alby VA alb...@empire.org wrote in message news:ed7bfa7e-3754-43f0-bd72-0efc709cd...@s7g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... [] http://bugs.ntp.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2164 Thanks. I'm going to watch and see what comes of this bug. I agree, the ntpq output should be able to give you nanosecond

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-14 Thread Ron Frazier (NTP)
. Performance is no better. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9879631/TAZ%20loopstats%202012-03-07%20to%202012-03-14.jpg http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9879631/ntp.conf-TAZ http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9879631/loopstats.20120313-TAZ http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9879631/loopstats.20120314-TAZ Sincerely, Ron -- (PS - If you email me

[ntp:questions] NTP, SNMP on FreeBSD 8.2

2012-03-14 Thread David J Taylor
Folks, I'm interested to know whether my install of NTP on FreeBSD 8.2 includes SNMP support or not. If it doesn't, then I may try a recompile, but first: 1 - can anyone point me to the correct place to download the appropriate MIB? I did find:

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-14 Thread David Lord
Ron Frazier (NTP) wrote: On 3/14/2012 7:14 AM, David Lord wrote: Ron Frazier (NTP) wrote: Based on advice from David Taylor, I just changed my configuration. Previously, I had only the GPS selectable and the internet servers noselected for testing purposes to try to determine where

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-14 Thread David J Taylor
. Performance is no better. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9879631/TAZ%20loopstats%202012-03-07%20to%202012-03-14.jpg http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9879631/ntp.conf-TAZ http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9879631/loopstats.20120313-TAZ http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9879631/loopstats.20120314-TAZ Sincerely, Ron That's

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-14 Thread unruh
On 2012-03-14, David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid wrote: unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote in message news:I1T7r.36416$l12.35...@newsfe23.iad... [] Did you shut down and restart your computer? Did you perchance do this during the daylight savings time transition on a Windows

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-14 Thread unruh
On 2012-03-14, Ron Frazier (NTP) timekeepingntpl...@c3energy.com wrote: On 3/14/2012 3:03 AM, unruh wrote: On 2012-03-13, Ron Frazier (NTP)timekeepingntpl...@c3energy.com wrote: Hi all, I just woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error. Prior to the error, with my PC locked into the GPS and

[ntp:questions] semi OT - Fwd: PDF on precision frequency generation

2012-03-14 Thread Ron Frazier (NTP)
I thought some here might like to see this slide show on precision frequency generation. It was posted on the time-nuts list. Ron Original Message Subject:[time-nuts] Found surfing the net - slides/presentation from FEI Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 10:36:33 -0700 From:

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-14 Thread David J Taylor
unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote in message news:HI48r.39505$zd5.1...@newsfe12.iad... On 2012-03-14, David J Taylor wrote: [] Windows uses UTC internally, not local time. Local time is simply a presentation layer issue. Windows is unaffected by a DST transition. That must be new, since

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-14 Thread Ron Frazier (NTP)
/loopstats.20120314-TAZ Sincerely, Ron That's horrible, Ron! Much worse than David Lord reports. It makes me want to ask a number of questions: Hi David T, NOW you understand. I have 4 PC's connected to the LAN, plus my wife's work computer 3 days / week, and on rare occasions my son's

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-14 Thread David J Taylor
Hi David T, NOW you understand. I have 4 PC's connected to the LAN, plus my wife's work computer 3 days / week, and on rare occasions my son's computer. All are connected by wifi. All do pretty mundane things: web browser, email, sometimes downloading patches, sometimes doing online

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-14 Thread Ron Frazier (NTP)
On 3/14/2012 4:00 PM, David J Taylor wrote: Hi David T, NOW you understand. I have 4 PC's connected to the LAN, plus my wife's work computer 3 days / week, and on rare occasions my son's computer. All are connected by wifi. All do pretty mundane things: web browser, email, sometimes

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-14 Thread Ron Frazier (NTP)
On 3/14/2012 5:04 PM, Ron Frazier (NTP) wrote: On 3/14/2012 4:00 PM, David J Taylor wrote: Hi David T, NOW you understand. I have 4 PC's connected to the LAN, plus my wife's work computer 3 days / week, and on rare occasions my son's computer. All are connected by wifi. All do pretty

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-14 Thread E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists
Ron Frazier (NTP) wrote: My typical performance from internet servers is offsets of + / - 60 ms. # Why not try some that have a closer network distance, or are at least geographically closer? # Georgia / Comcast Hints: tos cohort 1 restrict source nomodify pool us.pool.ntp.org iburst

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-14 Thread Rick Jones
Any chance these PCs are using a timesource (in the system somewhere) that isn't constant in the face of power management events? The other pink tiger (vs elephant) in your house could/would be the wifi - at least in terms of being a stable network type. Some of the bufferbloat

Re: [ntp:questions] Sure gps looses all sattelite fixes

2012-03-14 Thread David J Taylor
unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote in message news:wf78r.33384$kv1.26...@newsfe03.iad... [] Just wanted to report here. I switched the antennae on the two Sure GPS I have. Both worked fine for about 4 days, and suddenly the antenna that had failed before failed again-- no sattelites found. So, I am

Re: [ntp:questions] Sure gps looses all sattelite fixes

2012-03-14 Thread Chris Albertson
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:21 PM, David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid wrote: unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote in message news:wf78r.33384$kv1.26...@newsfe03.iad... [] Just wanted to report here. I switched the antennae on the two Sure GPS I have. Both worked fine for about 4