Re: [racket-users] Racketeers and slide-show presentations

2017-09-17 Thread Matthias Felleisen 

> On Sep 17, 2017, at 5:34 AM, Konrad Hinsen  wrote:
> 
> Did anyone consider to implement something like sketch-n-sketch for Racket 
> picts?
> 
>  https://ravichugh.github.io/sketch-n-sketch/
> 
> The idea is to combine interactive manipulation and programmatic construction 
> in an intelligent way. This could help a lot for simplifying the kind of 
> picts that are difficult to do purely programmatically.


We have thought of this. We may work on it. 




> On Sep 17, 2017, at 4:58 AM, Gour  wrote:
> 
>> — my use of scribble is restricted to a few papers with PhD students 
>>  and How to Design Programs/2e. 
> 
> Have you served it well for HtDP2e?


Yes, in principle. Even though Scribble is in its infancy compared to 
LaTex/TeX, 
Scribble gets many things right as a PL that LaTeX/TeX got wrong. Plain wrong. 
(Knuth was an amateur when it came to PL.) 

Maintaining source code so that you can target both the Web and a MIT P is 
extremely difficult, however, in both systems. 

If you want to write a long-ish (es. non-technical) piece, consider Pollen. 


> Maybe I should mentioned that I do non-technical presentations…

If you need individualized but similar diagrams and slides, Pict and Slideshow 
are for you. 

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Re: [racket-users] Racketeers and slide-show presentations

2017-09-17 Thread Konrad Hinsen 

On 16/09/2017 16:47, Daniel Brunner wrote:


I switched to slideshow/pict recently but it takes a lot of time for me
to prepare the presentation due to my missing skills in using pict.


That's also the major stumbling block for me. Whenever I have to prepare 
a presentation, it's just not the right moment to invest time into 
learning pict.


Did anyone consider to implement something like sketch-n-sketch for 
Racket picts?


  https://ravichugh.github.io/sketch-n-sketch/

The idea is to combine interactive manipulation and programmatic 
construction in an intelligent way. This could help a lot for 
simplifying the kind of picts that are difficult to do purely 
programmatically.


Konrad.

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Re: [racket-users] Racketeers and slide-show presentations

2017-09-17 Thread Konrad Hinsen 

On 16/09/2017 21:48, Andrew Gwozdziewycz wrote:


I've been hacking on a way to make *simpler* slideshow presentations, which 
I'll actually present briefly at Racketcon next month. The idea is to take 
something plaintext and turn it into slides, so you don't have to be a pict 
master. I am trying to work in how to include slides that are Picts, but it's 
still a bit early.


This looks interesting! But it also looks like you are inventing yet 
another lightweight markup language. You do mention Markdown as an 
inspiration, so why not use it fully? There's a Markdown parser ready 
for reuse:


   https://docs.racket-lang.org/markdown/

For slideshow-specific features such as speaker notes, you could copy 
other Markdown-based slideshow tools, e.g. reveal.js.


Konrad.

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Re: [racket-users] Racketeers and slide-show presentations

2017-09-16 Thread Andrew Gwozdziewycz 
I've been hacking on a way to make *simpler* slideshow presentations, which 
I'll actually present briefly at Racketcon next month. The idea is to take 
something plaintext and turn it into slides, so you don't have to be a pict 
master. I am trying to work in how to include slides that are Picts, but it's 
still a bit early.

Naturally, the resultant slideshows are slideshow (the tool) compatible, and as 
a result, allow for speakers notes and handouts to be included. I hope to have 
a lot more posted next week, but the start of what I'm talking about is at:

https://github.com/apg/slideshow-simple

Not sure if that meets your needs yet, but hopefully it will soon.

> On Sep 16, 2017, at 08:06, Robby Findler  wrote:
> 
> In that case, it probably makes sense for you to use scribble to
> replace the LaTeX part of your workflow from the past. Specifically,
> if you've got a pict, you can just drop it into anywhere you would
> have put text in a scribble document and the right thing will happen.
> So hopefully this'll improve your workflow a little bit.
> 
> Robby
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 9:47 AM, Daniel Brunner  wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> when I used LaTeX/beamer I used beamer solely for the slides and
>> produced a seperate handout with LaTeX.
>> 
>> I switched to slideshow/pict recently but it takes a lot of time for me
>> to prepare the presentation due to my missing skills in using pict.
>> 
>> Best wishes,
>> Daniel
>> 
>>> Am 16.09.2017 um 16:08 schrieb Matthias Felleisen:
>>> 
>>> When you watch the presentations of people who present with latex/beamer,
>>> you notice that most just excerpt the paper. This reduces the amount of time
>>> needed to prepare the presentation and the quality of the presentation at 
>>> the
>>> same time. A paper/handout and a presentation are two completely different
>>> ways of bringing across intuition and if you connect them, you miss a 
>>> chance.
>>> 
>>> In this sense, you’re at an advantage with scribble and slideshow -) The bit
>>> of disconnect forces you to rethink the presentation. Pict is a bit of a 
>>> connection
>>> between the two.
>>> 
>>> Note of caution
>>> 
>>> — my use of scribble is restricted to a few papers with PhD students
>>>  and How to Design Programs/2e.
>>> 
>>> — I do not use slideshow only pict.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 16, 2017, at 9:40 AM, Gour  wrote:
 
 Hello!
 
 Racket language is deeply rooted in academia and used wildly in
 education, so, I hope, it's reasonable that Racketeers are often
 preparing slide-show presentations...
 
 In order to take an advantage of Racket's ecosystem I'd like to use it for 
 such
 purpose and slide-show package is natural choice, but  wonder how do
 Racketeers prepare speaker notes and/or handouts papers for their
 preparations?
 Got some info in #racket yesterday, but believe there must be some
 further info/ideas available?
 
 Having experience with LaTeX/Beamer I'd expect to have some integrated
 solution, but my browsing of slide-show & scribble docs hasn't yielded
 adequate information,
 
 Any hint?
 
 
 Sincerely,
 Gour
 
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Re: [racket-users] Racketeers and slide-show presentations

2017-09-16 Thread Robby Findler 
In that case, it probably makes sense for you to use scribble to
replace the LaTeX part of your workflow from the past. Specifically,
if you've got a pict, you can just drop it into anywhere you would
have put text in a scribble document and the right thing will happen.
So hopefully this'll improve your workflow a little bit.

Robby


On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 9:47 AM, Daniel Brunner  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> when I used LaTeX/beamer I used beamer solely for the slides and
> produced a seperate handout with LaTeX.
>
> I switched to slideshow/pict recently but it takes a lot of time for me
> to prepare the presentation due to my missing skills in using pict.
>
> Best wishes,
> Daniel
>
> Am 16.09.2017 um 16:08 schrieb Matthias Felleisen:
>>
>> When you watch the presentations of people who present with latex/beamer,
>> you notice that most just excerpt the paper. This reduces the amount of time
>> needed to prepare the presentation and the quality of the presentation at the
>> same time. A paper/handout and a presentation are two completely different
>> ways of bringing across intuition and if you connect them, you miss a chance.
>>
>> In this sense, you’re at an advantage with scribble and slideshow -) The bit
>> of disconnect forces you to rethink the presentation. Pict is a bit of a 
>> connection
>> between the two.
>>
>> Note of caution
>>
>>  — my use of scribble is restricted to a few papers with PhD students
>>   and How to Design Programs/2e.
>>
>>  — I do not use slideshow only pict.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 16, 2017, at 9:40 AM, Gour  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello!
>>>
>>> Racket language is deeply rooted in academia and used wildly in
>>> education, so, I hope, it's reasonable that Racketeers are often
>>> preparing slide-show presentations...
>>>
>>> In order to take an advantage of Racket's ecosystem I'd like to use it for 
>>> such
>>> purpose and slide-show package is natural choice, but  wonder how do
>>> Racketeers prepare speaker notes and/or handouts papers for their
>>> preparations?
>>> Got some info in #racket yesterday, but believe there must be some
>>> further info/ideas available?
>>>
>>> Having experience with LaTeX/Beamer I'd expect to have some integrated
>>> solution, but my browsing of slide-show & scribble docs hasn't yielded
>>> adequate information,
>>>
>>> Any hint?
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Gour
>>>
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[racket-users] Racketeers and slide-show presentations

2017-09-16 Thread Gour 
Hello!

Racket language is deeply rooted in academia and used wildly in
education, so, I hope, it's reasonable that Racketeers are often
preparing slide-show presentations...

In order to take an advantage of Racket's ecosystem I'd like to use it for such
purpose and slide-show package is natural choice, but  wonder how do
Racketeers prepare speaker notes and/or handouts papers for their
preparations? 
Got some info in #racket yesterday, but believe there must be some
further info/ideas available?

Having experience with LaTeX/Beamer I'd expect to have some integrated
solution, but my browsing of slide-show & scribble docs hasn't yielded
adequate information,

Any hint?


Sincerely,
Gour

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although engaged in all kinds of undertakings.


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