[RBW] Sold: Carradice Rain Cape / Poncho

2009-02-16 Thread Angus
The Carradice rain cape is sold. Angus On Feb 15, 4:57 pm, Angus angusle...@sbcglobal.net wrote: http://www.flickr.com/photos/16951...@n08/sets/72157613832424625/ The recent discussion reminded me I had one.  I purchased this from RBW some time ago and have never used it.   It is in new

[RBW] Re: racks, baskets, and bags

2009-02-16 Thread Todd Olsen
I recently installed Mark's Rack with Wald Basket on front of my AHH. The routing of the bar end shifter cables around the basket is a little awkward. It looks like they would prefer to go right through the basket, but they are forced lateral and underneath. Not a big deal, but I am considering

[RBW] Re: EEK!!! Say it ain't so (Shimano Electronic Shiftng System)

2009-02-16 Thread Forrest
A good perspective, Todd, especially this: If we had all been hanging out on some Automobile list in the 20th century when the automatic transmission was introduced, I bet the comments would have appeared similar in terms of defense of the existing great technology. True enough! -- Forrest

[RBW] Re: EEK!!! Say it ain't so (Shimano Electronic Shiftng System)

2009-02-16 Thread Horace
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 6:55 AM, Todd Olsen todd_ol...@comcast.net wrote: I believe this is very interesting. One of the cool things it says in the NY Times article is that the FD will automatically readjust based on the pos'n of the rear. That brings them up to par with 1980s Suntour

[RBW] Re: EEK!!! Say it ain't so (Shimano Electronic Shiftng System)

2009-02-16 Thread Chris
Is it really any surprise that people think we can be a snobby bunch of cranky old elitests? Just look at the comments above and imagine what you would think if you rode a carbon Colnogo instead of a Riv... Here we have a new technology that is, at least, pretty cool to think about the advances

[RBW] Re: EEK!!! Say it ain't so (Shimano Electronic Shiftng System)

2009-02-16 Thread Seth Vidal
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Chris fourf...@gmail.com wrote: Is it really any surprise that people think we can be a snobby bunch of cranky old elitests? Just look at the comments above and imagine what you would think if you rode a carbon Colnogo instead of a Riv... Here we have a

[RBW] Re: EEK!!! Say it ain't so (Shimano Electronic Shiftng System)

2009-02-16 Thread Horace
I have raced, and I enjoy owning and riding racing bikes. And you're right, I think people should stop putting down racers, wannabe racers, or lycra-wearing skinny-tire-riding club riders because I'm one of them, and I don't like it when people make those types of comments. But, come on.

[RBW] on CL: 52 cm Univega

2009-02-16 Thread Doug Peterson
Someone was looking for a small UJB recently but I can't recall which group. Spotted on the Orange County, CA, craigslist: http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/bik/1035334820.html Looks like the mate for Jim Thill's go-fast. Had one of these in the early 80s; nice bike. No relation to

[RBW] Re: on CL: 52 cm Univega

2009-02-16 Thread David Estes
That top one is really pretty... On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Doug Peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Someone was looking for a small UJB recently but I can't recall which group. Spotted on the Orange County, CA, craigslist: http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/bik/1035334820.html

[RBW] Re: EEK!!! Say it ain't so (Shimano Electronic Shiftng System)

2009-02-16 Thread Chris
Don't get me wrong...I have no use for electronic shifting But, look at trickle down technology. The affordable 105 we are riding now was the Dura Ace of 8 or 10 years ago (at the most)...heck, even Tiagra rides/shifts as well as the old 600 group. All I'm saying is we sometimes get caught

[RBW] Re: EEK!!! Say it ain't so (Shimano Electronic Shiftng System)

2009-02-16 Thread Seth Vidal
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Chris fourf...@gmail.com wrote: Don't get me wrong...I have no use for electronic shifting But, look at trickle down technology. The affordable 105 we are riding now was the Dura Ace of 8 or 10 years ago (at the most)...heck, even Tiagra rides/shifts as

[RBW] Re: EEK!!! Say it ain't so (Shimano Electronic Shiftng System)

2009-02-16 Thread JoelMatthews
I think we need to step back and enjoy all things bicycle, just because we may not need it doesn't mean it's crap. Imagine where we'd be if it wasn't for all money being pumped into the cycling world by people buying $10k bikes with electrinic shifting, I dare say we'd have a LOT less

[RBW] Re: EEK!!! Say it ain't so (Shimano Electronic Shiftng System)

2009-02-16 Thread Doug Peterson
When Wayne Stetina debuted this in Irvine in August, the trickle down question was raised. The problem they have with it is a lot of high precision mechanical stuff moving the derailers. So even if the electronics can be made more economically, there's a big hurdle for the mechanical actuators.

[RBW] Was (Shimano Electronic Shiftng System), now Riv is tech modern

2009-02-16 Thread James Warren
Chris, It's hard to tell specifically what you are referring to when you say buying 30 year old technology and pay over $3k for it, but if by any chance there is an implication that such a description applies to the AHH I bought 18 months ago (and that did come in under $3k at the time),

[RBW] Re: EEK!!! Say it ain't so (Shimano Electronic Shiftng System)

2009-02-16 Thread RoadieRyan
I find this comment, from the article, to be a little hard to swallow ; the system also eliminates much of the maintenance required by mechanical systems hmmm you still have FD, RD chain and crank, to which you have added electronics, so how exactly does that reduce maintence ? IMO it just adds

[RBW] Re: February '09 SoCal Rivendell Ride

2009-02-16 Thread Roadmaster
Hi Just recently came across this group and would love to do the ride. but I will be one of those in Pasadena that day. Hope you do a similar ride soon Bruce On Feb 15, 8:13 pm, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Final notice and invite, the ride is on!  Saturday the 21st, meeting at

[RBW] Re: Was (Shimano Electronic Shiftng System), now Riv is tech modern

2009-02-16 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Mon, 2009-02-16 at 13:30 -0800, James Warren wrote: Chris, It's hard to tell specifically what you are referring to when you say buying 30 year old technology and pay over $3k for it The bicycle is hundred year old technology. The Jack Brown tire, the Silver brake, the construction

[RBW] Re: Was (Shimano Electronic Shiftng System), now Riv is tech modern

2009-02-16 Thread Chris
James, I didn't an AHH is 30 year old tech, but it you ask someone who is not into Rivs or Riv-like bikes I'm pretty sure that would be thier impression... Now, to your comment here; By objective measures, there is on average much less nuttiness in buying a $3k AHH than there is in buying a $3k

[RBW] Re: Was (Shimano Electronic Shiftng System), now Riv is tech modern

2009-02-16 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Mon, 2009-02-16 at 13:54 -0800, Chris wrote: Now, if you are a Cat 1 or 2 racer (or pro obviously), electric shifting might just give that little edge to get that last shift a second sooner to get across the line first. How can anyone argue this statement? You could argue by pointing out

[RBW] Re: EEK!!! Say it ain't so (Shimano Electronic Shiftng System)

2009-02-16 Thread Forrest
The notion of dynamo hubs powering electronic shifting is kind of intriguing. There may be some potential there. But the whole idea still strikes me as overly-complicated and unnecessary. I'm no racer, though, and maybe this would make a real difference in competition. Ultimately, to each his or

[RBW] Re: EEK!!! Say it ain't so (Shimano Electronic Shiftng System)

2009-02-16 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Mon, 2009-02-16 at 10:43 -0800, RoadieRyan wrote: I find this comment, from the article, to be a little hard to swallow ; the system also eliminates much of the maintenance required by mechanical systems hmmm you still have FD, RD chain and crank, to which you have added electronics, so

[RBW] Re: Was (Shimano Electronic Shiftng System), now Riv is tech modern

2009-02-16 Thread JoelMatthews
You could argue by pointing out that at one time they ISSUED the riders in the TdF identical bikes, so that the race would be about the rider and not the bike. This captures why modern bike racing is of no interest to me. Auto racing is probably 80% mechanics, 20% rider. As it should be.

[RBW] 2 x 110mm technomic deluxe stems for trade

2009-02-16 Thread 42MuskhamSt
I have 2 x 110mm technomic stems that I'd like to trade for the technomic regular (longer shaft) stems. I'm looking for 110mm or 120mm. The stems I have to trade are both used, but low mileage - they look new above the insertion line. I realize that I need the bars higher than the deluxe stems

[RBW] Re: EEK!!! Say it ain't so (Shimano Electronic Shiftng System)

2009-02-16 Thread Chris
I'd like to hear replies to this: Now to the question of if the commen rider needs electric shifting? Whether you need electric DA or regular DA (or Ultegra for that matter) is no different than buying the AHH instead of a Hillborne or a Saluki instead of a Bleriot. Both bike are designed to do

[RBW] Re: Was (Shimano Electronic Shiftng System), now Riv is tech modern

2009-02-16 Thread PATRICK MOORE
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Mon, 2009-02-16 at 15:43 -0700, PATRICK MOORE wrote: Now *that* would make me start watching racing again: handicap the good guys with bikes that the rest of us get from Goodwill. Heck, I'll sponsor Lance and

[RBW] Re: Was (Shimano Electronic Shiftng System), now Riv is tech modern

2009-02-16 Thread Dustin Sharp
Those old-school handlebar bottle holders really make a lot of sense. I have a single style one that I bought from Harris Cyclery a while back, made by Minoura I think, and it works really well. I¹m surprised Riv and Velo Orange haven¹t decided to try marketing these. D From: PATRICK MOORE

[RBW] Re: EEK!!! Say it ain't so (Shimano Electronic Shiftng System)

2009-02-16 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Mon, 2009-02-16 at 15:51 -0800, Chris wrote: I'd like to hear replies to this: Now to the question of if the commen rider needs electric shifting? Whether you need electric DA or regular DA (or Ultegra for that matter) is no different than buying the AHH instead of a Hillborne or a

[RBW] Re: Was (Shimano Electronic Shiftng System), now Riv is tech modern

2009-02-16 Thread PATRICK MOORE
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Dustin Sharp dsh...@runbox.com wrote: Those old-school handlebar bottle holders really make a lot of sense. I have a single style one that I bought from Harris Cyclery a while back, made by Minoura I think, and it works really well. I'm surprised Riv and Velo

[RBW] Re: EEK!!! Say it ain't so (Shimano Electronic Shiftng System)

2009-02-16 Thread Will
I find this new system fascinating, and see several advantages. Until the price comes down, I think I'd be happier splurging that kind of dough on a Rohloff internal hub on a Quickbeam frame. :-) On Feb 16, 5:31 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Mon, 2009-02-16 at 10:43 -0800,

[RBW] Re: EEK!!! Say it ain't so (Shimano Electronic Shiftng System)

2009-02-16 Thread Chris
On Feb 16, 4:18 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: I have no doubt whatsoever that my Salukihttp://www.freewebs.com/palincss/ is much prettier than a Bleriot.   What's that got to do with electric shifting?  You will note, there's no electric shifting on my Saluki, although it

[RBW] Re: February '09 SoCal Rivendell Ride

2009-02-16 Thread Doug Peterson
At a ride yesterday some people were talking about trying to do the same. One guy said people had been scouting their spots for a while he'd heard people planning to go down day before to stake their claims. Especially the climb will be wall to wall, guaranteed. I was on the Balcomb Canyon

[RBW] Re: Was (Shimano Electronic Shiftng System), now Riv is tech modern

2009-02-16 Thread JoelMatthews
Technological improvement is inevitable, regardless of the medium. Engineers will always engineer something better, even if we're talking about big wheels. Actually, I recall a year or two back a runner from either Kenya or Djbouti won some major marathons running bare foot. Electric

[RBW] Re: EEK!!! Say it ain't so (Shimano Electronic Shiftng System)

2009-02-16 Thread CycloFiend
on 2/16/09 5:18 PM, Chris at fourf...@gmail.com wrote: What it has to do, since we are arguing that electric shifting isn't needed, is that you don't NEED a Saluki when a Bleriot will do just fine. By the designer's own word's, the bikes are designed to do the same thing... Not really sure I

[RBW] Re: EEK!!! Say it ain't so (Shimano Electronic Shiftng System)

2009-02-16 Thread CycloFiend
on 2/16/09 12:09 PM, Chris at fourf...@gmail.com wrote: Don't get me wrong...I have no use for electronic shifting But, look at trickle down technology. The affordable 105 we are riding now was the Dura Ace of 8 or 10 years ago (at the most)...heck, even Tiagra rides/shifts as well as

[RBW] Re: Was (Shimano Electronic Shiftng System), now Riv is tech modern

2009-02-16 Thread Doug Peterson
After the centerpull brake, derailer quick release, most everything else has been refinement, as opposed to truly new technology. So STI Ergo move the shifting mechanism to a more convenient location, and modern drive trains offer many times the number of gears range of gearing, and modern

[RBW] Re: February '09 SoCal Rivendell Ride

2009-02-16 Thread David Estes
It's too bad the weather was so bad for the previous two stages. It made for some great racing, but had to have cut down on the crowds. BTW, Fat Cyclist has a live blog for the stage, which was pretty good Cheers, DE On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Doug Peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote:

[RBW] Re: EEK!!! Say it ain't so (Shimano Electronic Shiftng System)

2009-02-16 Thread Chris
On Feb 16, 7:35 pm, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: Electric shifting is frivilous for most riders, but then so is paying twice as much for a Hilson when a Hillborne is the same bike for the most part... They aren't really the same.  I'd describe the Hillborne as a melding of

[RBW] Freewheel hub with 135 spacing?

2009-02-16 Thread rcnute
Should I suck it up and get the Phil Riv hub or are there alternatives to consider? I've decided that friction shifting and cassettes designed for indexed shifting are not a perfect marriage. Don't know much about hubs so bear with me. Thanks.

[RBW] Re: Freewheel hub with 135 spacing?

2009-02-16 Thread David Estes
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 9:15 PM, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote: Should I suck it up and get the Phil Riv hub or are there alternatives to consider? I've decided that friction shifting and cassettes designed for indexed shifting are not a perfect marriage. Don't know much about hubs so

[RBW] Rambouillet Brake Question

2009-02-16 Thread rob markwardt
Hi, My new Rambouillet is equipped with the standard Shimano side pulls w/quick release and Shimano levers without a quick release...I don't know the model but they look like the regular Shimano models that were on most of the Rambos. Running 30+ mm tires, with the quick release open, I dont

[RBW] Re: EEK!!! Say it ain't so (Shimano Electronic Shiftng System)

2009-02-16 Thread CycloFiend
on 2/16/09 8:31 PM, Chris at fourf...@gmail.com wrote: This is all I'll say on this subject, because it's obvious no one here sees my point (and that's ok, I guess). But, on the point of the Hilson and Hillborne being the same...Here it is from the man himself Should I get an A. Homer

[RBW] Re: Freewheel hub with 135 spacing?

2009-02-16 Thread Brewster Fong
On Feb 16, 9:15 pm, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote: Should I suck it up and get the Phil Riv hub or are there alternatives to consider?  I've decided that friction shifting and cassettes designed for indexed shifting are not a perfect marriage.  Don't know much about hubs so bear with me.  

[RBW] Re: Was (Shimano Electronic Shiftng System), now Riv is tech modern

2009-02-16 Thread CycloFiend
on 2/16/09 7:37 PM, Doug Peterson at dougpn...@cox.net wrote: After the centerpull brake, derailer quick release, most everything else has been refinement, as opposed to truly new technology. So STI Ergo move the shifting mechanism to a more convenient location, and modern drive trains

[RBW] Not a Riv, but as close as I can get!

2009-02-16 Thread Benji
Hello all, I've worked pretty hard, with very little money, to take an old frame and make it look new. I'm curious to see what you all think, let me know. http://www.flickr.com/photos/benjib/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are

[RBW] Re: Rambouillet Brake Question

2009-02-16 Thread CycloFiend
on 2/16/09 9:37 PM, rob markwardt at robmar...@hotmail.com wrote: My new Rambouillet is equipped with the standard Shimano side pulls w/quick release and Shimano levers without a quick release...I don't know the model but they look like the regular Shimano models that were on most of the

[RBW] Re: Biking Mt. Lemmon

2009-02-16 Thread rob markwardt
You climb 9000ft mountains on a 53? What's it take to get you onto the small ring:)? I used to always ride a 53 x 25 gear on my gofast bike.  Now that I have the AHH, I would probably use my 50 x 24 most of the way - maybe 50 x 27 in steeper sections. Dylan On Feb 15, 7:34 pm, Ted

[RBW] Re: Not a Riv, but as close as I can get!

2009-02-16 Thread David Estes
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 8:43 PM, Benji be...@me.com wrote: Hello all, I've worked pretty hard, with very little money, to take an old frame and make it look new. I'm curious to see what you all think, let me know. http://www.flickr.com/photos/benjib/

[RBW] Re: Rambouillet Brake Question

2009-02-16 Thread Horace
Yes, this will work. The additional clearance of the quick release at the caliper, plus the quick release at the lever, will give you plenty of clearance to remove an inflated Ruffy Tuffy. I had this setup on my Romulus for a while. However, I eventually got the Bigmouths because they looked

[RBW] Re: Rambouillet Brake Question

2009-02-16 Thread rob markwardt
Thanks. One of the reasons I asked is because I have a set of the Cane Creek/Tektro levers ready to go. I have them on my Bleriot and really like the feel...I might swap the calipers anyway just cause I like the name Bigmouth! On Feb 16, 10:13 pm, Horace max...@sdf.lonestar.org wrote: Yes,

[RBW] Re: Freewheel hub with 135 spacing?

2009-02-16 Thread 42MuskhamSt
I can't say that this is my experience. My bikes are 8 speed and 7 speed respectively. They can run index or friction (Shimano bar end shifters (old style LX rd's)) and I have to say that friction shifting is smooth. Both are cassette hubs. The only issue I have on one bike (non-Riv) is that

[RBW] Re: carradice rain cape dimensions

2009-02-16 Thread Phil Bickford
Pictures with dimensions are up on my Flickr page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/55586...@n00/sets/72157613996444574/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group,