Re: [RBW] Re: new bars spy shot-- Alba-moose?

2012-01-23 Thread islaysteve
Funny. That looks like Spokes, etc. in Alexandria, VA. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Je85vEQaRRsJ. To post to this group, send

RE: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012

2012-01-23 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
That climb might affect bike choice, though -- probably push me away from my current thinking that I might do the ride on my QB (as my son Sam was, as well). But we'll make it work, whatever the decision is. -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com

RE: [RBW] Re: new bars spy shot-- Alba-moose?

2012-01-23 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
PALOOKA-YEAH -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David T. Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:33 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: new bars spy shot-- Alba-moose? Montana? Palooka? On Jan 22,

Re: [RBW] Re: new bars spy shot-- Alba-moose?

2012-01-23 Thread islaysteve
As great as either of those names might be, I see possible copyright problems with both. Joe Palooka was a comic strip (I'm not quite that old, but I just went to WiKi). So Grant will keep us speculating for a while longer. Cheers, Steve -- You received this message because you are

[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne 56cm question

2012-01-23 Thread danmc
I am ~ 5'10 with 84.5 PBH and have a 56 Sam. The 56 is a great fit for me. I think 84 is on the cusp of 52/56 sizing but bigger is better than smaller as you can dial things in with stem, bars and saddle height. Right now I have the bike built up with 46cm Noodle bars and 8cm Technomic stem. That

Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne 56cm question - diff between the Riv models

2012-01-23 Thread Mike Goldsworthy
Thanks Dusty…I've been looking at the other models today, and think I'm still pretty sold on getting a Sam. It seems that there's a few of them laying around in different places. Rivendell actually has 1 single top tube 56cm in maroon right now that they're selling at a discount. I'm not sure I

[RBW] Re: Tubeless candidate???

2012-01-23 Thread MoVelo
Has anyone had success with Foss tubes against goatherds? On Jan 21, 1:47 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Today I pulled my Rivy down from the hook and find the rear tire flat. a href=http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/6733538469/in/photostream/;Yep, another goathead.

[RBW] FS: Atlantis 58cm

2012-01-23 Thread John G.
This is my wife's bike. It is a complete bike. She is the second (or maybe third) owner but is in great shape, she barely rode it. Classic case of me thinking she would ride a lot with me if we got her a quality ride. :-) Here is the CL link: http://missoula.craigslist.org/bik/2798067361.html

Re: [RBW] Re: Bar Tape

2012-01-23 Thread Peter Morgano
+1 on the velo Orange sew on bar wrap. Put some cloth tape down code to build some body and it is comfortable. On Jan 21, 2012 11:10 AM, ascpgh asc@gmail.com wrote: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group,

[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne 56cm question - diff between the Riv models

2012-01-23 Thread danmc
Excellent write-up on the Riv models! Thanks for posting it. On Jan 21, 9:25 am, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: Correction/clarification: The Atlantis does now succeed in achieving the 2-inch tire clearance. Maybe more, I'm not sure. On Jan 21, 2012, at 9:11 AM, James Warren

[RBW] Brooks B 17 saddle for sale

2012-01-23 Thread artmoli...@yahoo.com
Nice leather Brooks saddle off my Rivendell. Honey with copper rivets. $35.00 plus $10.00 shipping. Pics and info : artmoli...@yahoo.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to

[RBW] Re: Bar Tape

2012-01-23 Thread Smitty-A-Go-Go
Thanks for the responses. There's enough here to last several tape changes. I'll post pics as I make changes. Cheers. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit

[RBW] Re: Bar Tape

2012-01-23 Thread Will
I like old tire tubes. One tube produces two strips long enough to wrap both sides of the bar. The strips wrap well, look good, and are comfortable. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit

[RBW] Nitto bars, ttt stem for sale

2012-01-23 Thread artmoli...@yahoo.com
Nice bar and quill stem combo off my Rivendell. $35.00 plus $15.00 shipping. Pics and info : artmoli...@yahhoo.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To

[RBW] Rivendell custom for sale

2012-01-23 Thread artmoli...@yahoo.com
My 64cm Rivendell Custom road frame is for sale in Atlanta. Frame, fork and headset. 64cm , 72 degree seat tube. 62cm top tube. 22cm , 72.5 degree head tube . 130mm rear spacing. Single eyelets on fork and rear triangle. Serial #. JS 98 04. Dark Green with Ivory trim. Build by Joe Starck.

[RBW] Long Beach Bike Builders (or SoCal)

2012-01-23 Thread Mike Goldsworthy
Hi all - thanks so much for all the really helpful responses to my questions about the 56cm Sam. Now, another one. Is anyone familiar with a Rivendell-esque bike shop in the Long Beach (or SoCal) area that could possibly do a build for me? thanks in advance -- You received this message

Re: [RBW] Re: Supernova E3 tail light opinions

2012-01-23 Thread dweendaddy
If you do junk the (pricey) system and switch to BM, I have loved my Toplight line plus in the rear. Really the best I have seen. I am sure you can sell the E3 for not a huge loss. As for flashing vs steady, didn't we just have a super long thread on that?? Edwin livin' the dyno dream

[RBW] Bay Area Travel/Biking - any place

2012-01-23 Thread John L
My wife and I will be traveling from Boston to California in March and have 4-5 days to explore the Bay area, which will involve visiting friends in Palo Alto, downtown SF, and Napa, and, I hope, a pilgrimage to the Riv HQ. We were hoping to do this exploration mostly by bike - credit card style,

[RBW] Re: new bars spy shot-- Alba-moose?

2012-01-23 Thread Marc Irwin
I'm a bit confused,I know themoosey version has to be built with a stem, will the othe version also? Is the non-moosey version being made with or without the stem? Marc On Jan 17, 4:24 pm, Jeremy Till jeremy.t...@gmail.com wrote: Anybody got the low down on what's happening with the bars in

Re: [RBW] Nitto bars, ttt stem for sale

2012-01-23 Thread mikel66...@juno.com
art, model, size, condition of bars? mike goldman warwick,r.i. 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4f1d860db5b465dfe25st06duc -- You

Re: [RBW] Re: Bar Tape

2012-01-23 Thread mikel66...@juno.com
how grippy when wetthe tire tube tape mike goldman warwick,r.i. 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4f1d8687c6db66df1e2st02duc -- You

Re: [RBW] Tubeless candidate???

2012-01-23 Thread jimD
On Jan 21, 2012, at 10:25 AM, MoVelo inquired: Has anyone had success with Foss tubes against goatherds? Moi! Ran over a goatherd just the other day. No troubles. JimD On Jan 21, 2012, at 10:25 AM, MoVelo wrote: Has anyone had success with Foss tubes against goatherds? On Jan 21, 1:47

Re: [RBW] Rivendell custom for sale

2012-01-23 Thread robert zeidler
Please send some photos. On Monday, January 23, 2012, artmoli...@yahoo.com artmoli...@yahoo.com wrote: My 64cm Rivendell Custom road frame is for sale in Atlanta. Frame, fork and headset. 64cm , 72 degree seat tube. 62cm top tube. 22cm , 72.5 degree head tube . 130mm rear spacing.

Re: [RBW] Brooks B 17 saddle for sale

2012-01-23 Thread Joe Bunik
Hey Art I'll take it! Joe Bunik Walnut Creek, CA On 1/23/12, artmoli...@yahoo.com artmoli...@yahoo.com wrote: Nice leather Brooks saddle off my Rivendell. Honey with copper rivets. $35.00 plus $10.00 shipping. Pics and info : artmoli...@yahoo.com -- You received this message because you are

[RBW] Re: new bars spy shot-- Alba-moose?

2012-01-23 Thread Jeremy Till
My understanding is that non-moosey is also chromoly but without the stem, like the prototype we've seen on the Rosco Bubbe bike. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit

Re: [RBW] Bay Area Travel/Biking - any place

2012-01-23 Thread Ray Shine
John -- San Francisco abounds in bike rentals. One can go to very few of the popular routes or places and not see dozens of people on rental bikes. Sometimes, it's literally hundreds. I do not know what they charge, but the bikes look to be well maintained and most if not all are hybrids with

RE: [RBW] Long Beach Bike Builders (or SoCal)

2012-01-23 Thread Joe Bartoe
Try Chuck at Pacific Coast Cycles in Oceanside. He even has a few Rivs in his shop. Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 22:13:44 -0800 Subject: [RBW] Long Beach Bike Builders (or SoCal) From: mgoldswor...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Hi all - thanks so much for all the really

[RBW] Leather wool and steel on ice

2012-01-23 Thread Joe Bunik
Oops, sorry list for re:-all spamming on that last message. As penance, check out this juicy old thread I stumbled over... particularly as CA is finally getting some of it up in the Sierras! Not bikes, but tangentially RBW (in the RMW sense)...

[RBW] Re: Supernova E3 tail light opinions

2012-01-23 Thread Way Rebb
You can also add a few more lights in back. I ride in the dark quite a bit and I have three tail lights, all battery powered: An old Vista Light 5 LEd mounted to the rack, one on the fender and the Soma Bullet light down where the rack attaches to the stay. I also have one of the reflective

Re: [RBW] Re: Supernova E3 tail light opinions

2012-01-23 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Mon, 2012-01-23 at 09:44 -0800, Way Rebb wrote: You can also add a few more lights in back. I ride in the dark quite a bit and I have three tail lights, all battery powered A friend of mine has 5 or 6 on his brevet bike: a generator powered steady light, a DiNotte, a blinking Planet Bike

[RBW] Re: Leather wool and steel on ice

2012-01-23 Thread Liesl
Most excellent photos! thanks! -liesl -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to

[RBW] FS: New Moustache Handlebar/New Dirt Drop Stem

2012-01-23 Thread SISDDWG
The following are NEW and still in plastic wrap: Nitto RM-016 Mustache Handlebar - 26.0mm - $60 +shipping Nitto Dirt-Drop Stem 100mm - $40 +shipping Paypal only. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send

[RBW] Re: Supernova E3 tail light opinions

2012-01-23 Thread Liesl
Hi Eric, I commute on Summit Avenue on the way home, and I find that when I come up on other bikes, one of the great things that identifies it as a bicycle is pedal reflectors. Their movement immediately says bike and I'm surprised how well/far away they can be seen. Certainly further than bad

Re: [RBW] Re: Supernova E3 tail light opinions

2012-01-23 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Or adding reflective tape to your cranks as I do when my pedals don't accept reflectors. I agree that the bobbing up and down or flashing (if the tape is installed at the bb axle junction) appearance signals bike. Of course, you can always use ankle reflectors too. On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 12:22

[RBW] What kind of mustache wax to use?

2012-01-23 Thread Amit Singh
I've been letting my natural 'wool buff' grow out to protect my face from the cold while riding so now I look something like this: o(|8-{D Rather than trimming my mustache I'd like to curl it up. What kind of mustache wax have you used? What do you like? Anything to stay clear of? And ... a

[RBW] Re: Supernova E3 tail light opinions

2012-01-23 Thread EricP
Good comments patrick and Liesl. Might cut some reflective tape for the crankarms. Already have MKS sneaker pedals with reflectors. And a foot or so silver reflective tape on the rear fender. Should maybe hunt down my reflective triangle and install it on the Country Bag. Thanks for all the

Re: [RBW] Re: Supernova E3 tail light opinions

2012-01-23 Thread Eric Norris
Lee Mitchell, a local bike person who has been driving sag support for literally hundreds of events here in NorCal, recommends reflective ankle bands as the most valuable piece of nighttime safety equipment. As Liesl notes, the movement instantly identifies you as a cyclist, and helps the

Re: [RBW] What kind of mustache wax to use?

2012-01-23 Thread yavo
Beeswax? -- Fred Yavorsky Jenkintown, PA http://www.twistcomm.com/Bikes On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Amit Singh asd...@gmail.com wrote: I've been letting my natural 'wool buff' grow out to protect my face from the cold while riding so now I look something like this: o(|8-{D Rather

Re: [RBW] Re: Supernova E3 tail light opinions

2012-01-23 Thread PATRICK MOORE
One more idea: a big reflective triangle attached to your bag, or a reflective vest (personally dislike these -- too much of a hassle to get on and off over all the other winter kit), Sam Browne or -- my favorite -- a reflective triangle attached to a reflective belt. One more idea yet: Lightman

Re: [RBW] What kind of mustache wax to use?

2012-01-23 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Campy grease. On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 1:08 PM, yavo fyavor...@gmail.com wrote: Beeswax? -- Fred Yavorsky Jenkintown, PA http://www.twistcomm.com/Bikes On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Amit Singh asd...@gmail.com wrote: I've been letting my natural 'wool buff' grow out to protect my

[RBW] FS: Super inexpensive Sugino crankset

2012-01-23 Thread William
I've got a Sugino triple crankset to sell. It's an OEM model, that came on a $1000 Specialized road bike. It has 172.5mm arms. It's got a 130mm BCD for the large and middle chainrings and a 74mm BCD for the small ring. It comes with a 52/42/30 chainrings. The large and middle ring are

[RBW] Re: FS: Super inexpensive Sugino crankset

2012-01-23 Thread William
and here's photos of the crankset as I used it on my Hillborne. http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/sets/72157625582849057/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit

Re: [RBW] What kind of mustache wax to use?

2012-01-23 Thread Andrew
Phil's, of course. On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 12:17 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Campy grease. On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 1:08 PM, yavo fyavor...@gmail.com wrote: Beeswax? -- Fred Yavorsky Jenkintown, PA http://www.twistcomm.com/Bikes On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Amit

[RBW] Re: Supernova E3 tail light opinions

2012-01-23 Thread Zack
I also have this taillight on my Sam. I look at it as the baseline for the rest of my safety gear - no matter what, it's on the bike, i don't have to worry about the batteries wearing out, and i can't forget it. I don't think that it is an awesome safety solution on it's own. i add a planet

Re: [RBW] Tubeless candidate???

2012-01-23 Thread PATRICK MOORE
The crucial test will be to run over a plot of goatheads, coming out on the other side with scores sticking into your tires: if after two days you find no air loss, Foss tubes are proof against the thorns. Note that very often when you run over a goathead it will go in only part way and, if you

Re: [RBW] Tubeless candidate???

2012-01-23 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Forgot to add: I am skeptical about Foss's being proof against goatheads, but if they are, I will ante up if Riv carries them for 60 mm tires. I find that fat tires attract more thorns than skinnies, tho' whether this is due to the width or because fat tires get ridden in thornier places, I

Re: [RBW] FS: New Moustache Handlebar/New Dirt Drop Stem

2012-01-23 Thread mikel66...@juno.com
im interested in the dirt drop stem. is the stem clamp 26.0 or 25.4 mike goldman warwick,r.i. Groupon#8482 Official Site 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city#39;s best!

[RBW] Re: Supernova E3 tail light opinions

2012-01-23 Thread Ryan Ray
This has been an extremely informative thread. I now feel completely unprepared for night riding and I'm completely torn between blinking and not blinking. - Ryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion

RE: [RBW] Re: Supernova E3 tail light opinions

2012-01-23 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
Yup. Comforting that there's obviously no wrong answer. From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Ray Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 3:41 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re:

Re: [RBW] Re: Supernova E3 tail light opinions

2012-01-23 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Ryan: note that the standard roadwork barrier warning light is an amber blinkie (tho' I am old enough to remember the hand-bomb-shaped flaming flares used until the '60s or so). Of course, the fact that guvmint uses it is no proof of its reasonableness. Me, I use: one blinkie; one steady; and

Re: [RBW] Re: Supernova E3 tail light opinions

2012-01-23 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Dmit: forgot the URL: http://thelazyrando.wordpress.com/2011/03/24/the-safety-myth/ On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 1:57 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Ryan: note that the standard roadwork barrier warning light is an amber blinkie (tho' I am old enough to remember the hand-bomb-shaped

[RBW] Re: Brief Weather Respite, Ride, Good Luck in Italy, True Story

2012-01-23 Thread RoadieRyan
LOL On Jan 23, 10:48 am, Ryan Ray ryanr...@gmail.com wrote: Saturday I had a ride to Vashon on the calendar. The Thursday before, SNOWPOCALYPSE descended upon the PNW and the ride was cancelled. I had just received a few bike related trades in the mail that week and was eager to take them

Re: [RBW] Re: Bar Tape

2012-01-23 Thread Bertin753
But slippery when wet -- I've used it. Patrick Moore iPhone On Jan 23, 2012, at 8:56 AM, Will waller.will...@gmail.com wrote: I like old tire tubes. One tube produces two strips long enough to wrap both sides of the bar. The strips wrap well, look good, and are comfortable. -- You

[RBW] Re: What kind of mustache wax to use?

2012-01-23 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
Consult Lord Whimsy. http://www.lordwhimsy.com/tutorials-2 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ZcommE2Db_oJ. To post to this group, send

[RBW] Re: What kind of mustache wax to use?

2012-01-23 Thread William
I believe there is a Rapha Winter Embrocation specifically rendered for that purpose. It's part of their Winter Sale, discounted to a mere $97 per half-ounce tub. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on

Re: [RBW] Re: Supernova E3 tail light opinions

2012-01-23 Thread Ryan Ray
http://thelazyrando.wordpress.com/2011/03/24/the-safety-myth/ This ^ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ED3lMAcpYnQJ. To post to this

[RBW] Re: What kind of mustache wax to use?

2012-01-23 Thread Kevin M
Make your own! It's sounds simple enough: http://www.handlebarclub.co.uk/wax/diy.shtml Otherwise, my wife has a little shave n' soap line of products we sell in barber shops here in Chicago. We're currently developing a mustache wax to add to the line. If you want to be a guinea pig I'll send

[RBW] Re: What kind of mustache wax to use?

2012-01-23 Thread Bill Carter
Thanks for the recipe. RBW was out of Obenauf's last time I checked. On Jan 23, 5:57 pm, Kevin M kpmulc...@gmail.com wrote: Make your own! It's sounds simple enough:http://www.handlebarclub.co.uk/wax/diy.shtml Otherwise, my wife has a little shave n' soap line of products we sell in barber

Re: [RBW] Supernova E3 tail light opinions

2012-01-23 Thread jimD
I too was consternated by this dilemma. I run my Dinotte on low/no flash and my Planet Bike blinkeys blink'n. The Dinotte on flashing is just totally over the top. I've been using this set up for several years and haven't had any problems with seizures or appoplexy near as I can tell. Of course

Re: [RBW] Tubeless candidate???

2012-01-23 Thread cyclotourist
I usually find the goathead(s) in a flat tire the next day. FWIW tubeless works great riding through a patch. Pick 'em out and keep riding. That's the #1 reason I went that way on my 29er. On 1/23/12, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Forgot to add: I am skeptical about Foss's being

Re: [RBW] What kind of mustache wax to use?

2012-01-23 Thread tarik saleh
Rather than trimming my mustache I'd like to curl it up. What kind of mustache wax have you used? What do you like? Anything to stay clear of? The now quasi iconic Tarik Saleh Bike Club mustache was achieved with the help of clubman wax, which smelled pleasant was reasonably easy to use

[RBW] Re: What kind of mustache wax to use?

2012-01-23 Thread Manuel Acosta
 Lip balm works really good. But for the bold and hungry I find that grease from chicken adobe works well. On Jan 23, 5:29 pm, tarik saleh tariksa...@gmail.com wrote: Rather than trimming my mustache I'd like to curl it up.  What kind of mustache wax have you used?  What do you like?  

[RBW] Re: Brief Weather Respite, Ride, Good Luck in Italy, True Story

2012-01-23 Thread Manuel Acosta
The bird was just christening the bag on it's maiden voyage! Looks good. On Jan 23, 10:48 am, Ryan Ray ryanr...@gmail.com wrote: Saturday I had a ride to Vashon on the calendar. The Thursday before, SNOWPOCALYPSE descended upon the PNW and the ride was cancelled. I had just received a few bike

[RBW] Re: Bar Tape

2012-01-23 Thread Joe M
I have Brooks on my Sam and Lizardskins on my Seven. The Lizardskin feels plush but I stiil prefer the Brooks Leather. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To

[RBW] Re: What kind of mustache wax to use?

2012-01-23 Thread William
chicken *adobe *?!? Goodness, and you call yourself pinoy! Please! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/dd-NPmndgIwJ. To post to this

[RBW] Re: Bay Area Travel/Biking - any place

2012-01-23 Thread Manuel Acosta
Agreed. Don't forget the ever wonderful BART transit. More than able to cut a few hours of your day to get to the beautiful places of the bay area quicker. When in March are you planning to visit? If I'm free, I wouldn't mind showing you guys some prime ride around the area. -Manny On Jan 22,

[RBW] Re: Supernova E3 tail light opinions

2012-01-23 Thread charlie
I use the new Toplight line steady tail light. The horizontal bar helps drivers judge distance and it is as bright as any auto tail light. I also use a Princeton Tec Swerve on my helmet ( the switch is easy to manipulate when riding with winter gloves) that I turn on when I suspect a driver is not