[RBW] Re: July twenty-fifth, year of our Lob, two thousand and thirteen, BLUG

2013-07-27 Thread Tom Virgil
Not sure which was more awesome. The bacon wrapped trout or the hatchet range. On Friday, July 26, 2013 11:20:48 AM UTC-7, William wrote: That was an epic BLUG yesterday. Classic. 'chets/'hawks and 'gues and 'ckets made of 'tile. That one had it all. -- You received this message

[RBW] Shellac removal?

2013-07-27 Thread Larry H
Shellac in natural form is a solid. It is dissolved in denatured alcohol as a carrier to permit application by brush. Use the same as a solvent to remove. Presuming the paint is not alcohol base, it should be fine. http://m.wikihow.com/Remove-Shellac Can also be used to removed finish from

Re: [RBW] Re: July twenty-fifth, year of our Lob, two thousand and thirteen, BLUG

2013-07-27 Thread cyclotourist
Found a hatchet in the woods yesterday: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/9375100502/ Providence I say! On 7/26/13, Tom Virgil tevir...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure which was more awesome. The bacon wrapped trout or the hatchet range. On Friday, July 26, 2013 11:20:48 AM UTC-7, William

[RBW] Seeking route advice for a series of sequential S24O rides... (Bay Area)

2013-07-27 Thread Rex Kerr
OK, so they're not really S24O if they're sequential, but... looking for a good route from the SF bay area to the Sacramento area, with enough detour to make it interesting. Looking at 5 days and about 45-65 miles per day. Would like to camp at least half of the nights. I ask here because I'm

[RBW] Bike Fitting - A Mine Field

2013-07-27 Thread IanA
My friend was in the market for a new bicycle with a budget of around $800.00. He'd looked at various aluminum mountain bikes and talked to me about it - he'd mentioned that he'd possibly like a single speed. I suggested he check out the Surly line of bikes and maybe push his budget a little

[RBW] Re: Bike Fitting - A Mine Field

2013-07-27 Thread Matt Beebe
Well at least this encounter with the bike-fit establishment ended well, despite their best efforts :)I give your friend a lot of credit for sticking with what he felt was the best size. Perhaps what happened here is an instance of a phenomenon Grant Petersen explains in his essay

[RBW] Re: Bike Fitting - A Mine Field

2013-07-27 Thread Michael Hechmer
Size Matters. And not just in the bike. My experience has been that the larger the shop the smaller the level of knowledge. There are of course exceptions to this, e.g. Harris Cyclery. But most often very large bike shops survive by hiring college age guys, usually steeped in racing, to

Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Fitting - A Mine Field

2013-07-27 Thread Eric Platt
Actually, it sounds to me like everyone knew what they were doing. I've owned a number of Surly bikes over the years. The first one, a Cross Check, was 62cm. Realized after about 2 months I'd never get comfortable with the handlebars so far away. Ended up putting Albatross bars on that bike

[RBW] Re: Thin Gripsters are cool

2013-07-27 Thread justinaugust
Rob over at Ocean Air makes a pretty convincing case to upgrade to the VP Vice. http://oceanaircycles.com/2013/04/22/vp-vice-and-001-pedal-comparison/ - Lower Q - Easier pins - Less stress on the bearings Interesting! -J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google

[RBW] Re: Bike Fitting - A Mine Field

2013-07-27 Thread Matt Beebe
Even shops that are aware of and support Rivendell sizing techniques can sometimes lead you astray. I once had my PBH measured at such a shop, an otherwise really great shop which shall remain unnamed, and they measured it at 88cm, which in retrospect I think is definitely about 2cm too

Re: [RBW] Great hookup with fellow Riv geek in Denver

2013-07-27 Thread nawrock
I would be in for this! Dave Nawrocki Fort Collins, CO - Original Message - From: Kip Otteson kip.otte...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 6:38:39 AM Subject: [RBW] Great hookup with fellow Riv geek in Denver Had a great time meeting up

Re: [RBW] Seeking route advice for a series of sequential S24O rides... (Bay Area)

2013-07-27 Thread Anne Paulson
Where in the SF Bay Area? Are you looking to start in Walnut Creek? If you're actually starting in San Francisco itself, I'd recommend crossing over to Marin right away and heading north before heading east, but that's just because I like riding in Marin and Sonoma. The Adventure Cycling route

Re: [RBW] Bike Fitting - A Mine Field

2013-07-27 Thread Patrick Moore
Good on yer for sticking to your guns. A few years ago I scotched a sale at a LBS when a clerk was trying to sell a 56 cm road frame to a 6'4 young man (I, 5'10, was riding a 60 cm Herse at the time). Note however that **top tube does matter**!! And that top tubes generally grow longer as seat

Re: [RBW] Bike Fitting - A Mine Field

2013-07-27 Thread Ron Mc
my favorite bike shop quote, yeah, we know a lot more about fit than they did back then On Saturday, July 27, 2013 8:44:51 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: Good on yer for sticking to your guns. A few years ago I scotched a sale at a LBS when a clerk was trying to sell a 56 cm road frame to a

Re: [RBW] Re: Thin Gripsters are cool

2013-07-27 Thread Dan Abelson
I have not tried the thin gripsters but I have a pair of the VP vice pedals and they are my favorite pedals. Dan Abelson On Jul 27, 2013 7:46 AM, justinaug...@gmail.com wrote: Rob over at Ocean Air makes a pretty convincing case to upgrade to the VP Vice.

[RBW] Re: Great hookup with fellow Riv geek in Denver

2013-07-27 Thread Kip Otteson
Yes, the spot is epic for riding. We are finally getting to enjoy the area as the building of the place is largely done. I wanted to clear up that we are going to be gone overseas for two years and then we'd like to do a hookup at the place. It seems like there is interest in the idea of a

[RBW] Re: It's still possible to order a 64 cm Atlantis

2013-07-27 Thread David Craig
It would be a single tt in 64 cm. I didn't ask, but I'd bet the 66 would be as well. I'd think that it could be ordered as a dbl tt since it seemed that I could request changes that didn't affect the geometry (for additional cost). That would be a good question to ask Keven. The point of my

Re: [RBW] Great hookup with fellow Riv geek in Denver

2013-07-27 Thread Mojo
On Saturday, July 27, 2013 7:17:16 AM UTC-6, Dave Nawrocki wrote: I would be in for this! Dave Nawrocki Fort Collins, CO Count me in too! Joe Ramey on the West Slope -- *From: *Kip Otteson kip.o...@gmail.com javascript: *To:

[RBW] Shifting Issues Question for the Mechanic Types

2013-07-27 Thread Johnny Alien
OK so I just got my new Hillborne this week. It is completely friction and I am using the IRD thumbshifters with the Deore rear derailer and the CX front derailer. It has a Sugino double crankset. On day one it worked wonderful and the shifting with the IRD thumbshifters was great. I did a

[RBW] Re: Bike Fitting - A Mine Field

2013-07-27 Thread jpp
I used to work in a bike shop and fitting can be tricky. There are thousands of bike fitting philosophies, so it is impossible to be up to speed on all of them. I had people come in to by a $400 hybrid with a printed out article on how carbon race bikes should fit. But your friend did the

Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Fitting - A Mine Field

2013-07-27 Thread IanA
An excellent point about the measurement system. The CC SS comes with flat bars with a bit of a backwards sweep, so maybe the longer top tube was what my friend found so comfortable. Curiously, the store was of the opinion that if you have drops, then a longer top tube is better so you can

[RBW] Re: Shifting Issues Question for the Mechanic Types

2013-07-27 Thread Jay in Tel Aviv
Could the shifter be loose? Something similar happened to me the other day. The left/front barend shifter had gotten loose. A few turns with a (knife serving as a) screwdriver was all it took. Anything more complicated than that is sadly beyond my expertise. I fit into the willing but barely

Re: [RBW] Shifting Issues Question for the Mechanic Types

2013-07-27 Thread Patrick Moore
#1: Dirty chain catching on bottom of the smaller (the proper term, ahem, for us periti, is chainring or ring, he said snootily) so that the bottom run of the chain is brought up to, or sucked to, the top to lodge in the derailleur? #2: You managed to loosen the front derailleur shift lever's

Re: [RBW] Shifting Issues Question for the Mechanic Types

2013-07-27 Thread Jim M.
On Saturday, July 27, 2013 10:31:17 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: #1: Dirty chain catching on bottom of the smaller (the proper term, ahem, for us periti, is chainring or ring, he said snootily) so that the bottom run of the chain is brought up to, or sucked to, the top to lodge in the

Re: [RBW] Shifting Issues Question for the Mechanic Types

2013-07-27 Thread Peter Morgano
I agree with Jim, when I get shifting issues the first thing I check is cables, especially on a new bike. The cable could have half been in a ferrule and bedded itself down or whatnot. Sounds like the front DR is pushing the chain over which indicates you have a lack of tension on the front DR.

Re: [RBW] Shifting Issues Question for the Mechanic Types

2013-07-27 Thread Michael Hechmer
The only other thing I can think of is either cable stretch, which is normal on a new setup,but usually takes more than a couple of rides, or a little slip at the derailler. I'm not familiar with the thumb shifters but would suggest putting each shifter - derailler in the loosest position and

Re: [RBW] Shifting Issues Question for the Mechanic Types

2013-07-27 Thread Michael Hechmer
Also, sometimes a new cable can slip out of some guides under the bottom bracket. This too might cause a sudden slackness. Michael On Saturday, July 27, 2013 1:45:27 PM UTC-4, Michael Hechmer wrote: The only other thing I can think of is either cable stretch, which is normal on a new

Re: [RBW] Shifting Issues Question for the Mechanic Types

2013-07-27 Thread Patrick Moore
Several hours of riding --- dirt? Possible On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Jim M. mather...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, July 27, 2013 10:31:17 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: #1: Dirty chain catching on bottom of the smaller (the proper term, ahem, for us periti, is chainring or

[RBW] Cycling is inherently conservative.

2013-07-27 Thread Patrick Moore
http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/ And not only conservative, but snarling, Cobbett-like, High Church Anglican, old-crusted-port, dyed-in-wool Tory (but bitterly anti-Cameron!) village-sage-type conservative. Damn'd Whigs! -- http://resumespecialties.com/index.html

[RBW] Re: Cycling is inherently conservative.

2013-07-27 Thread Deacon Patrick
I'd say cycling is inherently liberal. Not the backwards modern meaning politicians use today. The correct, original meaning of liberal, as in liberating, seeking freedom for every person. With abandon, Patrick On Saturday, July 27, 2013 12:12:51 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:

Re: [RBW] Re: Cycling is inherently conservative.

2013-07-27 Thread Patrick Moore
And inherently conservative -- rejecting unneeded and ultimately harmful innovation. On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: I'd say cycling is inherently liberal. Not the backwards modern meaning politicians use today. The correct, original meaning of

[RBW] FT or FS: Brooks B68 for B17

2013-07-27 Thread jandrews_nyc
Hello my well used B17 Special was lifted off my Hillborne last night. I've been using it since 2009 and it moulded to my sit-bones perfectly. I'm more upset about that part than shelling out for another saddle. Anyway, I have a B68 in great shape that I've had for about 6 years but it only saw

Re: [RBW] FT or FS: Brooks B68 for B17

2013-07-27 Thread Dan McNamara
Sorry to hear about the loss of the B17. I have a black B17 NIB that I would trade for a B68. It is a standard model. Let me know if that seem interesting. Dan On Jul 27, 2013, at 11:41 AM, jandrews_nyc jasonaschwa...@gmail.com wrote: Hello my well used B17 Special was lifted off my

Re: [RBW] Cycling is inherently conservative.

2013-07-27 Thread Tim McNamara
Unfortunately the words that get co-opted (or perhaps corrupted would be more apropos) by politicians come to mean everything and nothing, depending on the expediency of the moment. Riding a bike is liberal in the terms that Deacon Patrick used- it is liberating and indeed played a major role

Re: [RBW] Cycling is inherently conservative.

2013-07-27 Thread Patrick Moore
I should have added that I posted that link simply because it is interesting to me to see what spectrum of opinion cycling embraces in fact, although most dedicated cyclists seem to be liberal, and not because I wanted to push any ideological agenda; I despise ideologies, right or left (if these

Re: [RBW] Cycling is inherently conservative.

2013-07-27 Thread Brian Hanson
Love the link - thanks, Patrick. As one who just visited London, it is interesting to hear that they feel that the car culture is hitting them squarely. I used the tube, bus, and feet to get around, but I noticed a LOT more medium to large cars than I remember from my last trip 12 yrs ago. That

[RBW] Re: Shifting Issues Question for the Mechanic Types

2013-07-27 Thread William
Johnny The IRD thumbshifters have the internals of the Silver downtube shifters. The D-ring on top can be tightened with your fingers to add friction to the assembly. That friction is necessary to hold your chain in gear. Each derailer has a return spring that wants to move the chain to a

[RBW] Re: Shifting Issues Question for the Mechanic Types

2013-07-27 Thread Johnny Alien
Thanks guys. I did know they were called chainrings but then just got my brain off track by thinking of what the rear ones were called which I assumed was cogs but I wasn't sure. I tightened both of the D rings and that might be enough to fix the rear derailer but when I checked the cables as

[RBW] Re: Shifting Issues Question for the Mechanic Types

2013-07-27 Thread Johnny Alien
I forgot to mention that I can't really test it at the moment as it is storming like crazy. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: So.Cal Vs Nor.Cal Rumble ?

2013-07-27 Thread allenmichael
Just arrived. Looks like everyone is out riding. I'm going in to morro bay for a taco and will come by again later. Michael Allen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from

[RBW] Routes from Portland, OR to Seattle, WA

2013-07-27 Thread shawn m.
Hey Gang, I'll be riding my Hunqapillar from Portland to Seattle sometime around next weekend, and I'm hoping someone more local to PDX can offer me some guidance on route selection. I don't really want to do the I-5/STP corridor, and frankly I don't have the legs for the Mt. St.

[RBW] Re: So.Cal Vs Nor.Cal Rumble ?

2013-07-27 Thread allenmichael
Just arrived. Looks like everyone is out riding. I'm going in to morro bay for a taco and will come by again later. Michael Allen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from

[RBW] Re: So.Cal Vs Nor.Cal Rumble ?

2013-07-27 Thread allenmichael
Just arrived. Looks like everyone is out riding. I'm going in to morro bay for a taco and will come by again later. Michael Allen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from

[RBW] Re: Shifting Issues Question for the Mechanic Types

2013-07-27 Thread Johnny Alien
OK, I stand corrected. Loose cable aside tightening the D rings seem to have corrected the issue on both derailers. The front one can be overshifted in a way. If you take it too far it will move out far enough to rub the chain and chain guard. Easy enough to take care of as all you need to

Re: [RBW] Re: Shifting Issues Question for the Mechanic Types

2013-07-27 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 07/27/2013 07:05 PM, Johnny Alien wrote: OK, I stand corrected. Loose cable aside tightening the D rings seem to have corrected the issue on both derailers. The front one can be overshifted in a way. If you take it too far it will move out far enough to rub the chain and chain guard.

[RBW] Routes from Portland, OR to Seattle, WA

2013-07-27 Thread Lynne Fitz
Here is our flèche route - it will get you to Raymond. http://ridewithgps.com/routes/2235523 No Hwy 30. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Re: Cycling is inherently conservative.

2013-07-27 Thread ascpgh
I like that line from Yvon Chouinard: “The more you know, the less you need.” It parallels one he had said decades before that which was roughly that one's object when crossing the wilderness should be to do so with as little as possible. Sounds Riv-like to me. Andy Cheatham Pittsburgh, PA

Re: [RBW] Re: Thin Gripsters are cool

2013-07-27 Thread Eric Platt
I do believe there is a version of the Thin Gripster without the flats for a pedal wrench. Don't have them myself, but have seen them on a bike in Jim Thill's shop. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Dan Abelson d...@abelsons.net wrote: I have not tried the thin

Re: [RBW] Routes from Portland, OR to Seattle, WA

2013-07-27 Thread Eric Norris
Have you considered riding the Seattle to Portland course backwards? You can find that route broken down into a two-day ride here: http://wheelsnorth.campyonly.com/the_route.html Photos here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176895@N03/sets/72157621585077712/

Re: [RBW] Re: New AHH 56cm 650B Build

2013-07-27 Thread David Hays
I switched out the silver side pulls for the Dia Comp 750-thank you Peter- and mounted the VO Zeppelins and a Tubus rack. I'm pleased. Thanks everyone for the suggestions and support. David

[RBW] for those of us that enjoy working our bikes

2013-07-27 Thread Don Compton
I own a Roadeo, my third Rivendell, and will probably keep it forever. I am a tinkerer and have installed several cranksets on the frame. My recent experience is worth noting. I bought a new Campy Athena crankset. The quality of this crankset is as good as it gets. The bearings are flawless

Re: [RBW] for those of us that enjoy working our bikes

2013-07-27 Thread Eric Norris
Athena doesn't have crankarms that come off the spindle. Like Record and Chorus, it has an integrated crankarm/spindle. What were you trying to remove? –Eric N Sent from iOS 7 On Jul 27, 2013, at 7:39 PM, Don Compton dpco...@gmail.com wrote: I own a Roadeo, my third Rivendell, and will

Re: [RBW] for those of us that enjoy working our bikes

2013-07-27 Thread Don Compton
Eric, I am very familiar with the the workings of a power torque Athena crankset. The left crankarm is attached to the one piece spindel that is permanently attached to the right side crankarm. It is totally different than ultra torque. In addition, there is a slight taper on the spindel, you

Re: [RBW] for those of us that enjoy working our bikes

2013-07-27 Thread Eric Norris
I haven't taken one of those apart, but I assumed they came apart more easily–like UltraTorque. –Eric N Sent from iOS 7 On Jul 27, 2013, at 7:56 PM, Don Compton dpco...@gmail.com wrote: Eric, I am very familiar with the the workings of a power torque Athena crankset. The left crankarm

Re: [RBW] for those of us that enjoy working our bikes

2013-07-27 Thread cyclotourist
A few years back Grant bemoaned having to install or remove a Campy crankset. Just a complete bear of a job requiring expensive proprietary tools. But let this be a lesson to you: Do not deviate from the Zephyr! On 7/27/13, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote: I haven't taken one of those

[RBW] Moved, 50% by Bicycle

2013-07-27 Thread Christopher Chen
Hey Gang: So I moved apartments, 20 blocks diagonally, if you use the pythagorean theorem, down a subtle but noticeable hill. I decided to do some or most of the moving with my Hilsen. I borrowed Smitty's trailer, a tastefully converted burley kid hauler. The riding really wasn't much to write