Thanks for the links.
I pre ordered the kindle version too, (clicked through the link on Kent's site,
so hopefully Kent gets a nickel!) and will pick up the paper version from RBW
when available.
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Love the color!
I for one appreciate the look of the rear rack parallel to the top tubes! :-p
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Ironically, I just bought the 2005 back issue of VQ (then VBQ) that has the
interview with GP and JH, and it's funny to see their differing opinions. Grant
is all it's great if a bike is flexible to be equipped any way someone wants
and Jan is all but didn't the French essentially figure out
There's always the battle between novelty for novelty's sake and entrenched
convention!
Never having ridden a 650B I can't say anything about it, other than it
would have to be pretty darn superior to both 26 and 700c to get the
industry to embrace it. One thing that may, however, is if The
On Thursday, February 16, 2012 5:27:45 PM UTC-5, William wrote:
true ^^
Most shops dont even have an Ultegra derailer on the shelf, much less a
Dura Ace. I've gotten to the point where I feel like the name of every
bike shop employee is: No-but-we-can-order-it-for-you
LOL! So true. I
I've made Harris my de facto LBS. UPS ground gets to me overnight. In fact, I
have a package from them waiting for me when I get home!
Pete
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I've never had anyone at a shop be unfriendly, but honestly most of them have
never even heard of the things I'm looking for. Nitto? Blank stare. Cloth bar
tape? Chuckle, followed by blank stare. Friction shifter? Centerpull brake?
Berthoud bag? Nope, nope and who? Koolstop pads? Schwalbe
Any opinions on whether or not it's preferable to shellac your cork grips? I'm
trying them for the first time and they are currently naked, but I was
wondering if anyone had pros and cons for leaving them that way vs shellacking
them?
If it matters, these are the plain version without the
Joe-
I know there's at least one other NYC Riv guy on here, and a few in CT, MA,
DC and you can't miss BobbyB from NJ.
I live in CT and work in Manhattan. I ride my QB or LHT to the station
every day and take the train in.
I'm not sure what you mean by the Riv aesthetic. There's plenty of
I've owned nothing but steel bikes and lived nowhere but the northeast.
Except for a winter beater/commuter bike it's a non-issue.
I've also been thinking about Joe K's original question and I bet the ratio
of Riv/Bob riders to total riders is as high here as it is out west, it's
just that
Great pic.
If you lay a straight edge over the top of the chain you could measure the
static sag and provide a very good rule-of-thumb for setting up single
speeds. To be verified by the Park beer bottle opener test, of course!
From the photo it looks like about 1/4 - 3/8 inch?
This might be
There are only olive 'sacks on the website, right?
I hope so since I wanted a grey but bought olive since I thought it was that or
nothing!
- Pete in CT
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This is really great, helpful, info for a SS newbie! Thanks all.
I was REALLY running my chain too tight! I might even loosen it some more
for the commute home.
-Pete in CT
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I have 10 speed SRAM Rival on my Sam at the moment, just to try it, so I hope
I'm not breaking any rules!
Though I did go to the trouble to find the all silver components from a few
years back.
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Winds gusting to 40 today, so it's a bit tough to check for sluggishness.
You're either rocketing along with a tailwind, or barely moving.
Early investigations on the drivetrain reveal a slightly too tight chain, which
isn't helping pedaling efficiency or bearing looseness. The chainline is
Thanks for all the great responses.
I'm hoping to work methodically through the variables over the weekend, so I
can identify the real issue and (hopefully) learn a thing or 2 in the process.
Rather than my usual change a bunch of stuff and hope for an improvement
method!
I'll keep you
I've really been loving the single speeding simplicity of my new-to-me QB,
but it's not feeling particularly quick.
I was expecting a slick, efficient, butter-smooth feel to the bike, but it
seems a bit more like I'm riding through peanut butter. I'm finding I need
to pedal on slight downhills
I find it's usually.worth a call or email to RBWHQ if you see something is
not available on the site.
On a couple of occasions Spenser has been able to find inventory of an
item that they didn't know they had - probably the case here. Someone opens
an old cardboard box and voila, a couple of
Thanks guys.
I'm certainly not implying it's anything inherent in the bike, and I should
be clear that my baseline reference for sluggish is pretty darn low! It's
just a distinct feeling that I'm pedaling through peanut butter. I
certainly don't expect it to plane but I expected at least as
I have 60cm LHT with 26er wheels and it's great. It can look a bit ungainly
with the 26s on larger frames if you use skinny tires, but I run 50mm Big
Apples and black fenders so the visual perception of the wheels looks
pretty good in proportion to the whole bike.
Can't say much about speed, as
+1 Steve. I think that BQ's article on optimum wheel and tire sizes may have
concluded that the Cypres (and the folding 35mm Kojak too, BTW) was about the
right weight for acceptable handling on 700c wheels, but everything Jan has
written on the subject would seem to indicate the wider, lower
I love the Kojak 35s on my Sam. Pretty much a no-compromise solution. Great
ride, light weight (in folding version at least) and tough thanks to the belt.
Pete
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Haven't used the 'sack yet but put the Platrack to good use last weekend on
a run to the local bakery.
Needing to transport a cake box, I'm lucky I actually remembered I had just
received my rack'n'sack from the sale!
-Pete in CT
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Hmm. I did not know that. Something tells me this new system won't last.
If this is the way people have to use the system, Riv will now have a lot
of little sales with very little revenue - it's going to be like The Price
Is Right where the game is to get your shopping cart as close to $0.01
I thought the 66 would look awkward, too but your bike looks great. Even the
basket is perfectly proportioned.
I'm very curios about the drivetrain. A 40/11 is 99 gear inches, right at the
100 that Grant (and my own experience) suggests is the most you'd need for
everyday riding. I've been
I think both you and Patrick would run afoul of tome limits with some of your
posts! :)
Pete in CT
(I can be a twit in 140 characters)
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The build kits seem to be a logical extension of the typical build sheets
listed with some models. It's easy for customers to know the exact cost, and IF
it saves RBW some time there's a discount in it too. I think after one or two
substitutions it might become a typical custom build anyway,
Dave
While we have your attention, any chance that the site could have a heritage
section where we could access info about previous models? The Cyclofiend site
is great, but I for one would love to be able to pull up the old pages for bike
models that are no longer current.
Just a thought.
They seem to be missing the big picture ;) but otherwise site loads fine on my
iPhone 4S.
Pete on CT
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Only a true Rivendell would come with double top tubes!
-Pete
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French press - now that's a man with his priorities straight.
Still, I've got to concur with Kevin M that Via is not too bad at all. But
I've never toured anywhere so I'm not speaking as a bike touring expert,
only as a coffee drinker.
Pete, CT
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Well I'm glad to know I'm not the only one with this frustration. Yes, in my
case, like Max's, there is a low spot caused by the bead not seating out in the
correct position, though mine is just to one side of the valve stem, not on the
opposite side.
I previously thought this poroblem was
How bout Last of the Mohican's?
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I have a tire issue that I hope someone can help with. A year ago I hung a pair
of 1 yr old Pasela TG 35's on a hook in the garage. I recently went to
re-install them on my Sam and one of them will not seat evenly all the way
around the rim (Velocity Dyad) no matter what I do. I put several
Patrick-
Not sure what you think it means ;-) but it's a 60cm Sam with sidepull
brakes and a single top tube.
There was a thread a couple of months ago where some of us were trying to
decipher all the various versions of Sam that are/were available.
I have a few not-so-great flickr photos
I don't think GP will like it, but I think Chief would be great.
The long and laid-back nature of bike makes me think of someone who's
entitled to take their time...
The back-up bars also remind me of this:
http://www.indianmotorcycle.com/en-us/experience/history/pages/vintage-news.aspx
And
Oh man. All this talk of no-brainers - You guys have my credit card
finger starting to itch!
Does anyone know if a long reach caliper brake will work in front? I know
the frame is designed for cantis but I kind of like the simplicity of a
sidepull on a single-speed. I can always use the canti
I'd feel a bit bad using my rebate for sale things too. I put in a small order
pre-sale, and two more in-sale, so I guess I'm doing my bit to help. I'll save
the rebate to ease the pain of returning to full-price shopping next week!
I'm glad Riv is distilling their product line. I've recently
I got out for 2 hours in the balmy 50 deg weather we had here in CT. Alas no
photos, but I was on my orange Sam. Use your imagination!
Pete
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I had just placed a small order last week after Grant posted that they didn't
have a great year. Now the sake, and I just got a platrack/slicker sack combo
and railroad shirt too! Merry Xmas to me!
That Simpleone is tempting too, though
Pete
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Overall I think this a fun thought exercise, but it's really easy to go
through the looking glass in pursuit of it.
As noted, the aluminum in a Paul's component, isn't MUSA, nor is probably
the steel, rubber, plastic, etc in any other part. But of course raw
meterials are only a small part of
I like the SO, not least because it's the only budget ($1k range as opposed
to $2k range) Riv remaining with 1TT in the upper sizes. But the canti brakes
are not what I want on a bike like this. Cable hangers aren't simple and
v-brakes just look wrong.
Also, as a business strategy, why doesn't
Clearly Grant is just jumping on the Pinarello asymmetrical bandwagon! ;-)
I like Slackeur too, though it sounds like a porteur that's too lazy to
carry anything...
-Pete
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I had the opposite experience.
I saw a rider up in the distance as I approached the bottom of big hill. I
was gaining, but not that quickly. As I caught up, I noticed it was a girl
riding a comfort bike in flip-flops with her purse and some flowers in the
front basket. Having just passed her
I just put a used SRAM Rival set-up on my Sam as an experiment to make it
road-y-er. I had never used brifters before and they are fun for the kind
of short rides that I do. I think the Apex group that Patrick suggested
looks good too if you need the range. I went with the Rival because the
I'm in that camp, Jim. My Sam is my nice bike, LHT is my commuter.
I think it's great that between Surly, Soma and a few others the world is
full of really good $400 bike frames
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Anyone know how far apart the Sam orange is between Waterford and Taiwan? I
have a Taiwan Sam and I'd suspect the W'ford color is closer than anything
else I could get.
As for Riv selling touch up, the tail-of-two-Sam-oranges is a perfect
example of why I don't think they would ever bother.
Think you meant this for Patrick, but good advice nonetheless !
Pete
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I think the 18 to 24 ish inch square piece of cotton canvas otherwise known as
a burrito wrap would be perfect. At 3 bucks it's in your wheelhouse, price
wise, too. Cut and customize to your no-longer-wind-chilled hearts content!
Pete
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My ratio is infinity:1 these days. I used to ride motorcycles a lot, but
haven't been on one in a few years. I did a number of summer tours with a
buddy - one lap of Lake Superior, another to Nova Scotia and PEI, down to
Deals Gap NC, but just kind of moved on. I still have a late 60's Ducati
Flitz is good. I've also had very good luck on bare metal and chrome with a
product called Nevr-Dull. It won't remove actual pits or deep scratches,
but it's fantastic for oxidation/tarnish and light dirt.
http://www.nevrdull.com/page5.html
I think I remember someone telling me it was invented
That locker is more weatherproof than my 90 year old garage, where my bikes
are, so I'd agree that it's no problem.
One advantage of lockers is that thieves don't know what is in them, or
even if there's anything in them at all. I would keep a lock on it even
when empty so there is no clear
I think BQ serves its niche pretty well. And quite a niche it is. I
sometimes wonder if a better title wouldn't be Bikes Jan Likes. It would
interesting to see more articles from outside contributors, just to provide
other perspectives.
I also subscribe to Bicycle Times and find it serves its
I did a large (3000+ riders) metric century earlier in the summer and got a
number of comments.
The first, as expected, was from a passing roadie to his buddies, Man,
it's gonna be a long day on THAT thing, referring to my Sam.
Happily, it got better after that. I got passed by probably several
I use one on my LHT commutility bike and love it. I cut the legs down so
that one wheel is only 1/2 off the ground (it usually sits nose-down when
empty, but tail-down with anything on the back. It had it almost perfectly
balanced the other day, so it would rock back and forth on its Big Apples
That looks different enough that they should be calling it by another name.
I'm disappointed - I had been waiting for a grid grey XS, but that won't
match my current bag any better than a green one would...
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I think this is a great idea, though I imagine ordering a dozen or so designs
might be a duanting prospect for Riv.
I think a design for each model with the headbadge on the front (maybe the left
breast pocket location) and a drawing of the bike on the back would be
fantastic.
Maybe there is
Is this the same kind of thin mat I see sticking out of purses and packs all
over Manhattan? If so, I really can't imagine carrying that little thing on yor
back would cramp your style.
Do you really need a $100 piece of hardware to carry the same thing that every
19 year old model wanna be
This is exactly what drives me nuts about the Barsack and rack combo. You have
a bag that only works with one rack, and a rack that's only good for carrying
one bag. It seems totally anti-Riv (though I am aware that anything Riv does
is, by definition, Riv-ish!)
They talk so much about
There are some benefits to the front bag, depending on your needs. It's not
necessary to use only a front bag, and many people combine front and rear
as needed. Among the benefits are the ability to easily get things from the
bag while you are riding, the ability to see your bag at all times
No doubt that the Nitto rack is a fine piece of bike jewellery. I've no
doubt it will mount to most bars easily. Though you probably want to take it
off when you're not using the bag, since it serves no other function and
looks like it would be pointy and menacing.
I guess I just don't
Zack
Beautiful bike. Man, every detail on that is so sweet. I would have fainted if
I opened a box from Riv and saw that!
I have never bike camped (best I can manage is a Sub 2-to-4 Hour ride) so at
first it looked like an awful lot of baggage, but there's nothing on your list
you could omit,
Likewise insignificant, but last weekend I just got my first ever puncture
in a belted tire - a nail in my TG Pasela.
Now that I've jinxed myself.
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I asked PW a few months back and they were discontinued.
Now removed from the PJW web page too, apparently.
-Pete
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Another vote for Kojaks.
I run 700 x 35's (actually measure about 31.5mm on Velocity Dyads) as the
sporty tire on my Sam and really like them.
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I usually run 700x35 TG Kevlar paselas, and the Kojaks feel much livlier. But
that is probably due entirely to the fact that they are about 100g lighter. I
originally tried them afer reading the BQ test about the optimum tire for
given wheel size. Jan felt that 700's need to be lighter than
The Gomez is back up. It's a big mixte - a 62 - which happens to be my size.
Tempting!
Pete
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It sounds like you have 90% of the build already figured out, maybe except
pedals and bars? These seem like 2 things your LBS would let you test out
without abusing the privelidge too much.
If you have a 10 mi commute each way, that means you do 100 miles a week
just commuting, and it's likely
Caption for the Grant photo:
Hmmm, we need to come up with a harder game.
congrats!
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They noted this price jump with regret a while ago.
As far as I can discern, the current Sam line-up is:
48cm - Waterford - single TT - 650b - canti brakes? - BB, headset, no
seatpost - $1500
52cm - Waterford - single TT - 650b - canti brakes? - BB, headset, no
seatpost - $1500
56cm - Taiwan -
Looking at the photo on the RBW site, I thought hanging a pair of bells off the
rails of a Brooks would be the Riv equivalent of Truck Nutz!!
:-D
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Wow. Great ride, write-up, and photos!
For a moment there I forgot I was at work! Thanks for that.
-Pete
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I read it exactly the way Grant explained it. I imagine there are a lot of
people out there who would expect to get a foot in the door assuming that,
once there, everyone would be so impressed with their designing, building,
marketing, whatever skills that they'd be hailed as the next GP and
re good 26 tires - Do Schwalbe Kojaks come in 559x50?
I have 700x35's (which are actually barely 32's) on my Sam and love them.
I think wheel and tire weight makes a big difference in feel, if not actual
speed, because they are moving so fast compared to the rest of the bike and
rider. Jan
Patrick
Why yes, I do save any extra hardware I get. A small organizer / caddy has
4,5,6 mm nuts bolts washers etc, plus leather washers, cable end ferrules,
fender hardware, headset spacers, valve stem caps, and so on.
I find I'm in there almost every day making a deposit or withdrawal of one
I never cease to be impressed what an upstanding company Riv is and what a
fine group this is.
Who knew Riv's came with a whole host of guardian angels?
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I don't see how reserving the Rivendell logotype for customs makes any
sense at all. It's the company name, not the model.
Schwinn didn't reserve Schwinn for only high-end bikes, nor does Serotta
refrain from putting Serotta on production frames, etc etc.
Further, the only people you're
What's odd is that he describes it as his bike, yet offers a description
that includes irrelevant things like overall length.. describes the tires by
the rim manufacturer, etc.
You need to know more than that about bikes just to ORDER a Betty!
He may have acquired it second hand, but as others
I had a good LBS install a Chris King on my Sam over the winter after the
original Tange started feeling wonky. Granted, the Tange was installed by
Riv but set-up by me, which easily explains the issue! ;)
The Chris King is beautiful. I agree with Ryan that going with the best for
parts you
I think Jan Heine once said needle bearing headsets help.
I read somewhere that the one he prefers (Miche, I think?) is, of course,
out of production.
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Thanks. Sorry for the mis-information.
I should know better than to repeat something I read on the internet
somewhere! :)
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Loads slow, but eventually, on a virtually antique 8GB iPhone 3G on ATT.
I think it looks ok once loaded, but there seems to be a lot more overhead
the phone has to deal with.
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In the absolute worst case, you can always send it back to Brooks and have
them repair it. It won't be free, but you won't have lost your
well-broken-in saddle either.
I'm sure even if you tried a DIY and botched it (not a major botch, but a
minor one) Brooks would bail you out in the end. They
It's pretty common to find Ibex, Icebreaker and Smartwool stuff on sale with
a bit of patience.
Probably easier in August!
Ibex quality is great, but their sizing and cut is often a bit odd, so it's
important to try before you buy if possible.
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It should cost as much as the market will bear.
Bike building is a for-profit enterprise, not a charity, and there is no
morally-correct value to a bike.
That being said, I do agree that there is a place for value judgments in HOW
a company makes the bike and sells it, that involves labor
I don't think it's so hard to imagine buying a bike from someone other than
Riv. Are we all really sharing our justifications for cheating on Riv with
another company? :)
First, I am what seems to be an atypical Riv owner, at least based on this
group. My Sam is by far the nicest (and, by a
Per the Riv site:
We're down to two 54s as of July 22. More in a few months
So they got in 15 on the 12th, and in 10 days are down to 2?
I'm guessing a bunch were pre-sold, but wither way I'm glad they are a hit!
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Oh. I interpreted it to mean all they had left of the 15 was two
54's.(seeing as how Ri'vs seem to sell out in the big sizes first)
It didn't occur to me they might mean they have only two 54's but still have
5 each of the 59's and 63's.
My bad if the excitement was premature.
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I'm in southwestern CT (Norwalk to be exact) and might be able to join for a
bit.
Originally from RI, so I know and have visited a lot of the places on the
Maritime segment, but not on a bike, so it would be very interesting.
The traffic isn't so bad along the shore in October.
Keep us posted.
Not to start THAT discussion again, but that 56 looks seriously over-tubed
IMHO.
I'm glad my 60 Sam is singletubeorange.
I think the Utube is polarizing, and can't imagine why Riv wants to make it
harder to sell bikes than it already seems to be these days.
Though, in truth, when your riding
I did a BarSack hack and mount the 'Sack to my Mark's Rack.
Didn't like the idea of having to get the Nitto thing that's a total
mono-tasker. Seems a bit un-Riv-ish to me, actually.
My light (BM Ixon) mounts to the front tab of the rack, so there's no
interference.
(Sorry, I know this isn't
If the Yves is basically a Sam with a mixte-tube, then you should have no
problem.
Aside from durability, I think MTB drivetrains are mainly about having
enough chain wrap capacity to use a really small stump-puller front ring.
The ONLY thing I can think of is some front deraillers have a very
I'm not sure how the automatic head is supposed to work given the picture on
the box.
You need something to push the pin on the valve down to let air in - in
either presta or schraeder mode.
I have the HPX classic and you can see here there is a pointy-thing inside
the valve head that pushes
Seems to me it might be a matter of paint. Grant mentioned in that recent
interview that he was hoping to sell his new city bike for around $750,
unpainted. People seem to generally agree that it cost around $300 (retail) to
paint a bike. The Maxway Sam is $1000, so that makes perfect sense.
Use clear.
If you can't fix it, feature it!
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Another vote here in favor. I had them on Noodles on my Sam and really liked
them. Mine were Tektros and were great IMHO. I find that on dirt or gravel I
hate riding on the hoods and prefer the flats, the the cross levers are
perfect. Maybe too many years of mountain biking. I also use a VO
I have an almost new pair of 26x2.15 (55mm) Big Apple liteskins if you are
looking for a really plush ride!
Pete
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Seems to be sold.
Thank you to whoever bought it and saved my marriage! :)
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Oh man. That's really torture!
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