Yeah, I've heard/read that, too, somewhere, but it don't make sense to
me. The brake bridge looks to me like a pre-manufactured piece that
gets brazed in place after its holes have already been made. I assume
that the frame gets held at some point by this brake bridge, but how
one extra little
My 1996 Waterford-built All-Rounder has a fender mount under the
brake bridge, so the issue is not that they are not capable of doing
it. If they are using a solid cast brake bridge, that may be the
issue- there is nowhere for the end of the bolt to go. The bridge on
my A/R is a bit of
can we say Grant is a marketing expert? And he creates fine bikes and
he is not afraid to throw the noodles against the wall and see what
sticks? 650B and double top tubes fit in there somewhere. To me the
single sloping top tube, lugged Sam is the cat's pajamas...whatever
that means.
Richard
i think i have a second generation sam. when i was ordering it i was
talking to dave, i think, and we were talking about fit. i was trying
to decide stem length and he mentioned that the top tube on this frame
was a cm shorter than on the previous generation. if i measure the
effective tt on
Not sure about the Sam forks. I think the Hunqa forks were supposed to
be Toyo-built. That said, I have a first run (Taiwanese?) Sam (bought
Sept 09), which has the 3 dot fork crown, slender fork blades, and
cantilevers (but has the seatstay bridge with the hole underneath for
direct fender
Saw somewhere on the group that Waterford's frame-building process
involved holding the frame in such a way as to make it difficult to
drill and/or thread the fender 'boss under the bridge. Merely
parroting; I don't know enough to know whether this makes sense. But I
do like appearing
Really? You can't tell that you have a full bottle on your bike? It
feels like an extra pound. I feel it when I'm out of the saddle.
I don't feel like a princess and the pea kind of rider, but my bike
feels different with a full bottle. I can feel 175mm cranks, or 25mm
tires instead of 28s. I
I must be an insensitive lug then, because I certainly do not notice a
7.29 oz difference ( 28oz bottle 3/4 full vrs full) which is .45 lb.
For me that is a .2% difference in total bike +rider weight. I still
find the 2nd parallel top tube unappealing visually. Must be that
aging SoCal hipster
I really like to double TT. I liked it when brought it in on the
bigger bikes and like the function of it. I like it even more on the
smaller bikes (56 SH) where it could be argued that there is no real
function. What's cooler than a few extra lugs and a spare tt? I also
really like that Waterford
I'll vote (kind of). I'm surprised at how close the weights are. I
think the double TT looks cool, and I'd find useful. On BART I have
to grab hard on the seat tube to portage the bike up stairs, because
I'd get a handful of frame pump if I grabbed the TT. A second TT
would be a portage handle
Did I read somewhere that the Maxway frame uses a Toyo built fork? Toyo did a
fine job on prior forks, so one wonders why the one pictured by Bryan seems
stockier.
To be honest, both bikes look great to me. I like the paint on the Maxway a bit
better, but agree that the Waterford crown is
I also thought that someone else (not Maxway) was doing the forks, but
can't remember who. Given that the lugs appear identical otherwise,
i'm surprised in the differences in the forks, especially that the
canti version seems to have narrower tapered legs. The fork bend looks
the same on both,
The Single TT one (Maxway?) has no BB cable guide installed!! Send it
back!
The Double TT one has a seatstay bridge that is not threaded
underneath for a fender!! Send it back!
On Sep 1, 12:14 pm, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote:
I also thought that someone else (not Maxway) was doing
Indeed - I'd be happy to dispose of them properly, just email directly
for my shipping address :-)
Bill
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:35 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
The Single TT one (Maxway?) has no BB cable guide installed!! Send it
back!
The Double TT one has a seatstay bridge that
On Sep 1, 11:04 am, Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles
renaissancebicyc...@gmail.com wrote:
In the Shop we happen to have two 56cm Hillbornes. One is the
Taiwanese made Maxway, the other is the Waterford version from WI.
Of course, we couldn't help but take
On Sep 1, 11:04 am, Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles
renaissancebicyc...@gmail.com wrote:
In the Shop we happen to have two 56cm Hillbornes. One is the
Taiwanese made Maxway, the other is the Waterford version from WI.
Of course, we couldn't help but take
but what's the purpose?
obviously to protect the frame pump and to allow me to carry up the
Bart stairs more easily
Duh
On Sep 1, 11:35 am, bfd bfd...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sep 1, 11:04 am, Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles
renaissancebicyc...@gmail.com wrote:
In the Shop we happen to have two
I really don't know why Riv has to go and make multiple different
versions of this bike.
Yes, I know the only answer that matters is because Grant wants to
but even HE has to expend lots of unnecessary energy explaining to
people why one version is, allegedly, as good as the other.
Just when he
Alan at EcoVelo has a 60cm Maxway Sam with cantis and what will, now,
forever hence be known as the nice fork; I have a 60cm Maxway Sam
with sidepulls and what will forever hence be known as the crappy
fork.
What qualities of Alan's fork make it better than yours?
On Sep 1, 4:12 pm, Peter
I dont think calling it a crappy fork is fair. I have a Bleriot
(obviously Taiwanese) and I dont think there is a crappy thing about
it. Riv had supply problems with taiwan and needed another builder. G
goes into it in some detail on the site. Seems like a new builder
would be a great time to try
I own a 56cm Maxway canti Sam with the 3 spot fork crown and my
bike is plenty stiff enough for off road endeavors. I originally had
70x40 knobbies on it and took it on very technical singletrack quite a
few times... It never felt anything other than solid.
and for the record... I like both
It sometimes happens that a bike model will have changes over the run
- the Romulus and Saluki are other examples where there was a change
in brake type. The Sam is a little unusual in that it was caught in
production issues just as it was ramping up, so there was undoubtedly
some scrambling to
I also prefer the fork crown on the double tt model. Although I tend
to like sidepulls better than canti's. I also really like the
trademark double tt look but sadly I ride smaller size frames and will
never be able to own one.
On Sep 1, 5:43 pm, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote:
It
Sorry, I was being intentionally melodramatic with the crappy
comment! Poor choice of words.
I have been exceedingly happy with my bike, my first Riv, and actually
had the option of getting a Waterford frame at the time. I liked the
sidepulls and single top tube, so I took the Maxway. No
is a feature, not a bug!
you must work with software. haha. We say that all the time at
work.
I think the Maxway crown is really cool. I just fell in love with the
curly crown on mine which is also on the Waterford. The fatter lower
fork blades are what I thought was chunky, but even when I
On Wed, 2010-09-01 at 16:43 -0500, Bill Connell wrote:
It sometimes happens that a bike model will have changes over the run
- the Romulus and Saluki are other examples where there was a change
in brake type.
If you're thinking of the Centerpulluki and the Cantiluki versions of
the Saluki,
Because I know people will ask ... the weight difference between the
frames is 8 ounces. For perspective, that is about the difference
between a full water bottle and one that is 3/4 full.
Now that puts the weight in real terms. I defy anyone to tell the
difference in how their bike performs
My first run Hillborne has a different crown than either of those.
Think it might have been the same as the Romulus. Otherwise, I do
like the one on the Waterford made version.
Then again, noticed that the Atlantis forks have changed over the
years.
While I do like the new ones, and have seen
I'm slower with an empty bottle because I'm looking around for someplace to
fill up. Stands to reason! :-)
Bob
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:34 PM, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
Because I know people will ask ... the weight difference between the
frames is 8 ounces. For perspective,
I think it's cool that these various iterations of the Hillborne are
out there - keeps it interesting. Mine is a single top tube 60cm
Maxway with cantis and the fork shown on the Waterford in Bryan's
photos. It might be just a tad flexy for some people, but it feels
just right under my 160 lb. I'd
Beautiful pictures of two beautiful frames Bryan...thank you.
Two or one...I'll take one thanks.
Angus
On Sep 1, 1:04 pm, Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles
renaissancebicyc...@gmail.com wrote:
In the Shop we happen to have two 56cm Hillbornes. One is the
Taiwanese made Maxway, the other is the
One more variable:
I have a single top tube - 60cm - orange - Waterford with the 3 dot
fork...but my three dots didn't get the offset color, they were
painted orange. I think this was a very early Waterford with a
painting error. Any others out there like this? Oh well.
Joel
On Sep 1, 8:44 pm,
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