really, they're all wearing black and our road dust is caliche
On Saturday, April 25, 2015 at 6:30:24 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
fenders are wonderful - we're having a wet spring, and bunches of
skunk-striped urbanites come out to ride my local creek bottom road
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Ha! Ours is usually red, so I look like Christmas in my olive ventile when
I ride the Hunqapillar.
With abandon,
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On Saturday, April 25, 2015 at 5:38:56 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
really, they're all wearing black and our road dust is caliche
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fenders are wonderful - we're having a wet spring, and bunches of
skunk-striped urbanites come out to ride my local creek bottom road
On Friday, April 24, 2015 at 5:11:45 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
Fenders are growing on me. Well, staying on the Quickbeam. So far. Maybe,
just maybe, I
I switched my VO Zepplin fenders to the SKS Velo 29er
http://simplecycle-marc.blogspot.com/2013/08/err-towards-practical.html
fenders and have really liked them. They are super inexpensive and
normally slip on and off of a little metal tonque mounted on the fork and
rear bridge. I used zip
Thanks, Marc. I have no desire or temptation to fender the Hunqapillar. I
tried fenders with it's big knobbies and did not like it. It's the
Quickbeam or no fenders at all.
You're right, those fenders do look good on your Hunqa!
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Fenders are growing on me. Well, staying on the Quickbeam. So far. Maybe,
just maybe, I was taking out my frustration on their lack of desire to
install on their ability to perform once installed. Sardonic grin. They
didn't suck on today's sloppy, muddy, snowy, melty dirt road goodness ride.
Reference to growth mind sets/effort/Dweck: Reader No. 40, pages 24-27
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Could you provide more context please, Liesl?
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On Monday, April 20, 2015 at 6:37:00 PM UTC-6, Liesl wrote:
Reference to growth mind sets/effort/Dweck: Reader No. 40, pages 24-27
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While the subject for discussion is revolving around fenders, their
construction, and materials used, I figured these comments from a different
blog, same subject, might be useful:
… When a wheel is moving inside even a dry fender it is producing a pretty
decent wind-tunnel effect, which will
Friends, I have delighted in the entirety of this thread because I am in
such good company.
Fenders are hard to install ≠ I'm not a good mechanic
Fenders are hard to install = the more I do it and practice
problem-solving, the better I will get!
Over the past 10 years, I've mounted fenders on
Patrick,
Do I need new glasses, or is it my imagination, or did you part the
Red Sea without getting wet?
John
On Monday, April 20, 2015 at 10:36:57 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
Ooops. That was the wrong photo. Here's what I say to fenders:
Ooops. That was the wrong photo. Here's what I say to fenders:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/sets/72157652014701796/
On Monday, April 20, 2015 at 11:35:43 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
Here's what I say to fenders:
Here's what I say to fenders:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/12254206093/in/photolist-jES1xp-jES2ix
Grin.
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Ha! How rumors and legends begin. Grin.
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Patrick
On Monday, April 20, 2015 at 12:22:00 PM UTC-6, John wrote:
Patrick,
Do I need new glasses, or is it my imagination, or did you part the
Red Sea without getting wet?
John
On Monday, April 20, 2015 at 10:36:57 AM
Michael H. mentioned that fenders can get in the way of most roof racks,
and he's right. There are products one can buy that raise up the front of
the bike, but I've found that they are really expensive (for what they are)
and they don't seem to hold the bike that securely -- it seems like the
I recommend cutting the top off the fork crown bracket on SKS fronts with a
hacksaw file.This among other things makes it very easy to remove by
allowing you to slip it on/off the bolt or front-rack bolt when
removing.The secu-clips on the rear thing is another good optimization
In addition to the suggestions above, Problem Solvers makes a convenient
gadget they call a Fender Flute that can be used to lower the front
fender on bikes with considerable fork clearance. It can be purchased from
on-line retailers for about $16:
I just did a couple hour test ride. This is a great day for fenders, with
melting snow mud and runoff slopping everything. They worked fantastically.
For me the cost/benefit just doesn't pan out. I'll keep them on for a few
more rides, but they are likely coming back off. Being Scottish,
Thanks all! I really appreciate it. Turns out, thanks to you all, I am
smarter than fenders, but just! Grin.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/17200998075/
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Patrick, when I first started following Rivendell, they recommended using
zip ties. Drill holes on each side of the fork crown, each side of the
transverse seatstay brace and bottom bracket brace in your fenders. Use zip
ties everywhere. McMaster.com has mil spec zip ties that are
Patrick,
Have tools,hardware..will travel.I love my fenders. Sometimes they get big
cotton wood leaves stuck in there..but otherwise they keep me and the bike
clean and dry. And the cream fenders match the lug color on my Sam and look
so cool! :)
Here to help if needed.
Jon
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Thanks! It's all put away for the moment as I have a wee think about how
much I'm willing to put into having fenders.
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Deacon, I have been using fenders on all but my travel bike for almost 2
decades. Here's everything I have learned not to like about fenders:
1. They limit my choice of car racks.
2. They get in the way of many bike racks.
3. Plastic fenders can easily get knocked out of line.
4. In the winter
Thanks, Michael. I really appreciate the wonderful response. I am aware of
the benefits fenders offer, as I rode the Hunqapillar with fenders for the
first two years. We'll see what times does. If I'm interested in installing
them, I'll post photos. Thanks again!
With abandon,
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On
To play the devil's advocate, we are coming on to the dry season in Colorado
and SS's clean up mightily easy.
Joe in Grand Junction who has some fettered and unfettered bikes and likes em
both ways.
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Can anyone recommend a quick-on and quick-off set of fenders for a 29er?
They need not be full coverage, just better-than-nothing coverage; the key
is quick on/off.
I've adapted 60 mm SKS's, but the rear requires removing the wheel even if
it has been shortened to avoid the need for struts (I
Michael says it very well. If you are on the east coast or NW I would think
fenders would win by a lot.
But damn that first time I put fenders on a bike was SO hard, time
consuming and frustrating. I'm getting better and now it only takes about three
times as long as it should.
Fender
done 2 sets of Honjos and SKS on my daughter's bike. I like the Honjos
better.
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If I lived in your neck of the woods, Patrick, I would just come over there
and do it with you!
Have you watched the RBW fender installation video? It is helpful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG_WZVS9SUY
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Thanks! I'd forgotten to check their videos. It addresses several of my
issues. Like bolt cutters, bending the fork piece, etc. H.
With abandon,
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On Saturday, April 18, 2015 at 7:13:46 PM UTC-6, lungimsam wrote:
If I lived in your neck of the woods, Patrick, I would just come over
The link is still active: http://www.jitensha.com/eng/honjinstl.html
On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 8:01 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
Hiroshi at Jitensha studios had the most complete and well organized
instructions for mounting metal fenders (he sold Honjos) that I've ever
seen.
Sheldon's fender nuts make taking the fender off much, much easier. You don't
have to mess with the brakes.
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On Saturday, April 18, 2015 at 3:58:25 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
Can anyone recommend a quick-on and quick-off set of fenders for a 29er?
They need not be full coverage, just better-than-nothing coverage; the key
is quick on/off.
SKS makes one called X-blade and Planet Bike makes the
You can do it!
Just takes a little time, is all!
And then sit back, ride, and enjoy that clean bike! Only get hit by water
that falls from the sky. Clean.
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Hiroshi at Jitensha studios had the most complete and well organized
instructions for mounting metal fenders (he sold Honjos) that I've ever
seen. I used them for my first Honjos and had a relatively easy time --
tho' I'd mounted Berthouds once before, by guess and by gosh, and mounted
plastic
Rene - I ran Pasela 35s on the AHH with Honjo 45s for a while. I think
it's right at the limit of clearance, and I have since gone back to Jack
Brown or smaller (Gran Bois Cypres) which are perfect for these fenders. I
recall having the same issue with the 35s having some rub while I was
Hey René,
I actually don't really notice it when I'm riding. My wife hasn't
experienced tire rubbing when she rides, either.
I only noticed the rubbing a few weeks ago when I was walking the bike
through the hallway. The tire was slightly wet so the rubbing noise was
very noticeable. It
On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 10:44 AM, René Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote:
Forgot to add that this rubbing when climbing standing doesn't happen on
my Atlantis with its Berthoud fenders. Again, while it is a possibility
that the Honjo fender on the AHH is twisting somehow (it was my first
As far as I am concerned, frustration is synonymous with installation
when it comes to fenders. ahahah.
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Hi Rene,
Here's a photo
sethttp://www.flickr.com/photos/21531208@N00/sets/72157628802524201/of my
Mark's rack setup. Comparing to my Sam, the fender fit on the Betty
is much tighter (given that the Betty has caliper brake and also wider
tires). I switched one of the bolts and used it to
Thanks for the photos. I've still not added the fenders to my Betty, but
will need to do so shortly. Let me know what your LBS say about the reason
for the rub when you turn the wheel to the right. Does that only happen
when you're riding or also when the bike is on the stand or on the floor
but
Thanks, Esteban. I like your suggestion, and am leaning hard in that
direction. If I didn't spend so much time on gravel roads, it would
be a slam dunk. I love Hetres on gravel.
But I'm pretty sure I do not love gravel wedged within inadequate
fender clearance.
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Rene,
I just walked over to my Mark's Rack (I have all 3 still) and i never
even thought of using those slots in the longboard. do you have a
picture as it looks a lot higher to my eye then a nitto mini front but
maybe that is just an optical illusion.
On Jan 4, 11:00 pm, René Sterental
Hey René,
I actually did use one of the bolt slots to stabilize the fender (by
switching out the original bolt to a longer one that goes through the
fender, adding a spacer between the fender and the diving board, and
securing the fender with nut/washer), but it's still rubbing when the wheel
Chris,
I think you're going down the right track, as your turning the wheel
the fender is likely pivoting somewhere. it could be that the stays
for the fender are not aligned, it could be you're not getting a good
seat at the daruma between the daruma rubber washer and the fender, so
that it's
This is also a good suggestion. However, the Rene Herse adapter/widget
won't work well with forks and sidepull brakes due to the rear brake bolt
interference that doesn't allow the daruma to be centered.
René
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Forgot to add that this rubbing when climbing standing doesn't happen on my
Atlantis with its Berthoud fenders. Again, while it is a possibility that
the Honjo fender on the AHH is twisting somehow (it was my first metal
fender installation ever and I may have gotten better with all the practice
My wife's Betty also has rubbing on the front/right tip of the fender when
the bike steers to the right. The bike has 50mm Honjo installed with
35mm Soma Xpress tires. I kinda wish the Mark's rack had a boss, like the
Mini front, which could be used to secure the front tip of the fender. The
Hi Chris,
I had this problem too, i had a Nitto Mini Front and when i switched
to a Nitto Campee Front i lost that same boss up front. I came up
with my own DIY solution, i used an extra daruma bolt and a ziptie to
secure it to the cross section of the rack, it doesn't look as clean
but is rock
I'm not sure what you are referring to. Both my Mark's Racks (on the AHH
and the Betty) have 2 bolts on the flat section that holds the rack in the
middle and goes into the brake hole in the fork crown. I use one of these
to stabilize the front of the fender. Has anything changed recently?
René
One thing the Hetre has done is create a lot of noises and tight
clearances for the the 650B denizens whose Kogswells, Ebisus, and
Rivendells were spec'd for around 37mm - which was all that was
available about 2007.
I agree with Ryan - after riding the Lierres, if you want supple
casing and a
Hi René,
No offense intended at all, but I cannot see myself doing that on my bikes.
None taken. Different strokes for different folks. I was having fun
fabricating small parts from old junk in the garage, so there was a
perverse pleasure in this for me. For someone with more metal working
Hi Mark,
Even if I wouldn't do it, I still think it is a very ingenious solution I
never thought of either. The great thing about this group is how many other
ideas you get exposed to that in turn, generate new ideas in your head.
Happy riding!!!
René
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 9:24 PM, Mark
Thanks, Rene.
Fender line was not perfect, but satisfactory for me. The space at
the fork was a little less than at the fender ends. I agree the brake
was a challenge. I dented fender top at fork AND at break to give a
little more clearance. The shortened daruma might work. I've
considered
Mine rubbed too. I just cut it down.. twice even. :) Well after buying a new
one.
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The AHH has 65mm of brake reach and a fork crown that maximizes that
65mm for fender clearance. (It does so by putting the hole as low as
possible in the fork crown, to make sure there's no metal where there
could be air). The Silver brake was designed, also, with fenders in
mind (wide mouth high
Very well put, Grant.
There would be no issues if I had kept the Marathon tires I got with the
Betty, which I believe are 35s... but those red Hetres look so good on the
Betty... :-)
And of course, even though she desn't have time to ride it, my oldest
daughter wants the hammered Honjo fenders
I have fender greed. I don't believe I have ever set up a fender
without trying to eke every mm of tire width out of the setup.
Actually, not true. The front of my Utopia has inches of clearance,
and I had to make a 3 drop bracket to get the fender down near the
tire. The back, though, I had to
Fork-crown darumas are stupid. I recommend riveting a bracket onto the
fender that attaches to the rear brake bolt.
Philip
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Thanks, Rene.
Fender line was not perfect, but satisfactory for me. The
On Mon, 2012-01-02 at 14:16 -0800, Philip Williamson wrote:
Fork-crown darumas are stupid. I recommend riveting a bracket onto the
fender that attaches to the rear brake bolt.
Of course, not a very practical solution if you're using cantilevers or
brazed-on centerpulls...
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Y'all trying to cram huge tires under no-clearance fenders be crazy, man.
That's a stuck-rock-or-stick disaster waiting to happen.
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.
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If I had a rivet gun I might agree, but daruma's aren't that bad.
Installing metal fenders does take a little longer and will require a
bit fiddling and patience, however, if I can do it anybody can. Once
you get them on they are WAY better than the plastics models (IMHO).
I've installed maybe
Thanks, Grant, for the reply. Just wanted to point out that I
understand the design, and that I know I'm cheating. I love my AHH
unconditionally. If I can make this hack work, fine. If not, no
knock on the bike, I'll adjust.
Thanks, also for all the other suggestions. I'm gonna ponder this a
If the Hetres won't work I think the Lierres are just about equal in
ride quality.
Ryan
On Jan 2, 4:27 pm, Pondero cj.spin...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks, Grant, for the reply. Just wanted to point out that I
understand the design, and that I know I'm cheating. I love my AHH
unconditionally.
I had a similar problem. After much gnashing of teeth, I decided to
cut my rear fender and splice it using home made brackets:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/devinf/6620876305/in/photostream
This photo shows the second set of brackets. The first rear bracket
attempted to run under the brake, but
If it's the daruma bolt that's causing the rub, then take out the Dremel and
grind that sucker down. Interestingly, the only time I've had a problem with a
tire rubbing the daruma was with a Hetre. Good luck.
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Stick with it, took me 5 nights of fiddling but I got the hetres, 52
zeppelins and 58cm Saluki to all play nice together. Use the l bracket and
Sheldons fender nut. I secure that then when you bend the fenders to secure
the at the fork you will get the clearance you need. Trust me.
On Jan 2, 2012
Nitto M12 for the win! Waitasecond... what's a daruma supposed to hang
from on a non-sidepull bike? A cork?
It didn't occur to me to use a daruma with disc brakes:
http://www.biketinker.com/2011/projects/im-thankful-for-my-fenders/
No rivet gun, just a drill, a hammer, and a couple pokey-things
Wow!
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 10:35 PM, Philip Williamson
philip.william...@gmail.com wrote:
Nitto M12 for the win! Waitasecond... what's a daruma supposed to hang
from on a non-sidepull bike? A cork?
It didn't occur to me to use a daruma with disc brakes:
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