[RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass: reviews? impressions? poetic waxings?

Also. I didn't point this out in the last post-but I ran baby shoe and rat traps (neither were the extra lites) Even though they eat glass, I have only really had one cut large enough to patch. When I DID get a flat I saw all the glass and shards embedded and plucked it all out with a needle.

[RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass: reviews? impressions? poetic waxings?

I’ve used the Antelope Hill, Steliacoom, and the Stampede Pass tires in the past and never had flatting issues. I wouldn’t use them as a durable commuting tire though...that’s not really their purpose. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners

[RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass: reviews? impressions? poetic waxings?

My bad. Got suckered into a &%%$@! zombie thread. I find these almost as annoying as slashing a sidewall on a new tire. C'mon people, if a thread was started 4 years ago and last zombied two years ago, it's okay to start a new thread, even on a similar or identical topic. This has become a

[RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass: reviews? impressions? poetic waxings?

I've also found the tires eat glass shards and anything sharp like mad. Also recently found on any muddy surface there like riding on ice. I've switched to running a 2.1 racing Ralph on the front and a RTP on the rear. I've found it a nice setup as long as I'm extra careful to steer clear of

[RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass: reviews? impressions? poetic waxings?

I just got back from the local bike shop to pick up a new tire and swap out my Rat Trap Pass. I had two flats within the same week on the same tire. The smoothness of the ride is incredible, but they simply do not hold up to real world use for me. The riding I do is aggressive NYC daily

[RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass: reviews? impressions? poetic waxings?

Thanks Phil! Yeah, my rim is 20mm on the inside and 27mm on the outside and the tire measures 50mm. One SV14 blew at around 48 psi, one survived ;) A Michelin "tank" tube replaced the other. Unfortunately one tire is a complete banana, very poorly crafted, maybe by an intern or so. Which

[RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass: reviews? impressions? poetic waxings?

The tires are made by Panaracer, and these tires are made by hand - which may explain why there is a slight difference in weight, yet crafted very carefully. The RTPs are some of my favorite tires, if only they made more bikes that fit them. I would get the SC 14s, as the tires on 23mm outside

[RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass: reviews? impressions? poetic waxings?

Hi, I feel a bit crazy as I just received a pair of these... well, it's my little Christmas presi? Of course I had to inspect them first and a few questions came up that I did not find on my wild search in the net and I was wondering if there are some who'd know a bit more? - I was

Re: [RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass: reviews? impressions? poetic waxings?

Since the blurb you are commenting on is about Compass tires in general as opposed to just RTP, let me just say that, I think they handle just as well as anything else out there in the rain! I've done quite a few rainy rides on them, on warm days and cold ones. I also get many less flats than on

Re: [RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass: reviews? impressions? poetic waxings?

Thanks for sharing the link, Jan. Very informative and often entertaining discussion. Candid, too, but respectfully so. Nice that you're getting recognition for all the tire testing contributions you and crew have made over the years. Quite interesting was discussion of the effect that wider

[RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass: reviews? impressions? poetic waxings?

The EL casing is so much more supple than most tires that my realization of too low of a pressure in my Stampede Pass Els was a low speed washout on the switchbacks of multi user ramp on a repurposed bridge, decked with concrete, on a sunny dry day, just as Clayton's. No "mold release" or bloom

Re: [RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass: reviews? impressions? poetic waxings?

That is interesting stuff, but I think the idea that wider tires are a disadvantage on smooth roads is a bit outdated. I wonder when this video was recorded. You might also be interested in a podcast that featured Josh Poertner, formerly of Zipp (now of Silca), James Huang and me, talking

Re: [RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass: reviews? impressions? poetic waxings?

Listen to what Keith Bontrager says about wide tires. Not directed at you Jan. It is at 2:35. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpxUcfZhxLk=TL7aUwq5E8PH4yMjA4MjAxNg On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 5:26 PM, Jan Heine wrote: > The Rat Trap Pass use the same casings, same tread

[RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass: reviews? impressions? poetic waxings?

The Rat Trap Pass use the same casings, same tread pattern, and same tread thickness as the other tires in the Compass line. We did a lot of testing with prototypes to make sure that you could actually use such a supple casing on such a wide tire – nobody had ever done that before. As to tread

[RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass: reviews? impressions? poetic waxings?

It's not clear to me why a tire would have to grip worse in the rain to be faster. Both grip and speed are improved with softer rubber – ask any skateboarder about this! So a tire that grips better in the rain also will be faster. When you compare tread patterns, the Pasela is basically a

[RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass: reviews? impressions? poetic waxings?

Right. Key word is "look". They look slow, too, to some who haven't ridden them. Love the last paragraph of the Riv quote. rod -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from

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The tread pattern on my RTP is the same as the one on my 700C Stampedes. A fatter 26" tire with this minimal herringbone road tread will definitely look pretty smooth. Since this is RBW, here are their tips on tires: https://www.rivbike.com/kb_results.asp?ID=58

[RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass: reviews? impressions? poetic waxings?

They're certainly not cheap, but they're also not bald. Low profile file tread. Pretty grippy, in my experience. Not Paselas, different feel, but also not Kojaks... and not water skis... rod -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch"

[RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass: reviews? impressions? poetic waxings?

These tires are expensive but fast. Corners like you might expect from a bald tire though I don't push it. I think it might be a diff story if there were actually wide 26 rim brake rims for these tires. Most of them are in the 17-20 internal width range. Grip is pretty decent, but Thunder Burts

[RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass: reviews? impressions? poetic waxings?

I would agree with Gravel & Grind that most designers would be reluctant to advertise shortcomings. But I was surprised at just how contradictory this review was to the item description (ie, sales copy) on the Compass website. Your review in a nutshell: Low mileage, repeated flatting, poor wet

[RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass: reviews? impressions? poetic waxings?

No one is gunna claim their tires don't grip in the rain, especially if they live in Seattle. I don't think these tires have bad grip, for what they are, but Paselas have way more grip, in my experience. Paselas are also slower feeling, and as the saying goes, there's no free lunch. Gotta

Re: [RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass: reviews? impressions? poetic waxings?

When tires are manufactured, the inside of the molds are sprayed with a substance to make the rubber release after cooking them. Until that thin coating wears off, the tires can be quite slippery. I learned this in the motorcycle world, where it is VERY important to know your tires and what

[RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass: reviews? impressions? poetic waxings?

Thats odd because Heine states that tge tread rubber is super grippy even in rain,iirc. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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Fir all Compass tires, iirc. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send

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Mark - take James word over mine, I'm not a fan of riding in the rain in general and don't have many tires to compare it for wet riding conditions. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

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Wow. No grip in wet conditions and short tread life are not things I've hear about the RTP up till now. I have a pair, but only rode them briefly before I took apart the bike they were on. I am in the process of building a different bike and plan to use these tires. This will be mainly a

[RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass: reviews? impressions? poetic waxings?

I have the standards on a hunqapillar and love them. I was sort of thinking of selling my hunq due to too much overlap but after putting some RTP on them it has breathed new life (into an already awesome bike, but one that was setup w/ knobbies and used mostly for trail riding). I've used them

[RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass: reviews? impressions? poetic waxings?

I have the standards. I first road them on a loaner bike in Seattle. The dreamy ride motivated me to build up a bike that could take em. They roll as fast as the Babyshoe Pass (650B) and Barlow Pass (700) on my other bikes with even more pillowy float. I haven't tried them on trails or dirt

Re: [RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass: reviews? impressions? poetic waxings?

You also want to remove it from the tread of a brand new tire, for the same reason. On 08/19/2016 03:42 PM, Scott Loveless wrote: A mold release agent, typically silicon-based, is applied to the mold used in the production of tires and tubes. It's what gives them their shiny appearance when

Re: [RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass: reviews? impressions? poetic waxings?

A mold release agent, typically silicon-based, is applied to the mold used in the production of tires and tubes. It's what gives them their shiny appearance when new. It's also slick. When you repair a tube with a patch, the purpose of sanding is to remove the mold release agent so the patch,

[RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass: reviews? impressions? poetic waxings?

Thanks both of you. I'm a small guy, and live in a very dry Los Angeles. Wanting to build an old Trek mtb I found into an overnighter road+dirt camper/tourer. Thinking these may still fit my bill. James, are you running the Extralights or Standards? Have you experienced both? Worried about

Re: [RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass: reviews? impressions? poetic waxings?

On 08/19/2016 12:10 PM, 'Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote: I have been using the ultra lights with the tan sidewall. The sidewalls are translucent. Very, very light tires with a delicious ride. Supple. Sort of like riding on just an inner tube as the tire. When I first

[RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass: reviews? impressions? poetic waxings?

I running a set of standard RTPs on a 86' Schwinn Cimarron and love them. No flats in 300 miles and I run them at 35/40psi, but maybe I should lower that a bit. The bike is set up with dirt drop bars and I consistently return a higher average speed on my commute as compared to my Sam

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What do you mean by "mold release". -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group,

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> > I have been using the ultra lights with the tan sidewall. The sidewalls > are translucent. Very, very light tires with a delicious ride. Supple. Sort > of like riding on just an inner tube as the tire. > > When I first installed them, the front end washed out on clean dry > pavement and

[RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass: reviews? impressions? poetic waxings?

I had an experience recently that may be relevant. As part of a hilly 30-mile loop in the Boston suburbs, intended as a training ride for a gravel ramble in the Vermont hills later in the month, I came to a long segment (maybe 2 miles?) of grooved pavement in a hilly stretch of Concord Ave.,

[RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass: reviews? impressions? poetic waxings?

I had an experience recently that may be relevant. As part of a hilly 30-mile loop in the Boston suburbs, intended as a training ride for a gravel ramble in the Vermont hills in the month, I came to a long segment (maybe 2 miles?) of grooved pavement in a hilly stretch of Concord Ave.,

[RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass: reviews? impressions? poetic waxings?

I’ve had ‘em on my Hunqapillar for about half a year. I commute, do fire roads, single track with rocks, short dirt road tours. Tread wear is as to be expected from such a light tire. Paselas they are not, for durability on the tread. They also don’t grip nearly as well as Paselas, as I