[RBW] Re: Rear hub for Atlantis build: WI or PW?

yeah, Mark, I think it was your experience that as well as the price for a new cassette PW that made me consider other alternatives. The WI hubs are really nice On Monday, June 19, 2017 at 11:06:37 AM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote: > > WHITE, do not go with Phil. I had three failed Phil Wood

[RBW] Re: Rear hub for Atlantis build: WI or PW?

I won't pretend to be an engineer or anything like that, but thinking aloud is it that difficult to design and make a freehub that just works ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and

[RBW] Re: Rear hub for Atlantis build: WI or PW?

WHITE, do not go with Phil. I had three failed Phil Wood hubs (the newest style) on my Atlantis until I finally switched. I have a Paul hub back there (Industry 9 freehub mechanism) and a White on my other bike. Both have been 100% perfect since I first laced them up. I used to have an

[RBW] Re: Rear hub for Atlantis build: WI or PW?

On Thursday, June 15, 2017 at 8:45:44 PM UTC-7, panog wrote: > > If one believes that the XT diiscussion here is purely circumstantial or > anecdotal and wants more proof then a basic Google search on the subject > would show a lot of unfavorable comments on what XT developed to be. Plain >

[RBW] Re: Rear hub for Atlantis build: WI or PW?

On the other hand... everyone needs another fixie hub, right? I just bought a used King Classic on ebay for $120 shipped, to match a front hub I've had in the drawer for a couple of years. I couldn't pull the trigger on a $450 hub after all. I'm probably going to build the wheelset with Sun

[RBW] Re: Rear hub for Atlantis build: WI or PW?

If one believes that the XT diiscussion here is purely circumstantial or anecdotal and wants more proof then a basic Google search on the subject would show a lot of unfavorable comments on what XT developed to be. Plain and simple. Most people do not make negative comments on a product if they

[RBW] Re: Rear hub for Atlantis build: WI or PW?

Plus there are quite a few reports of this on the interwebs with respect to the newer XT hubs failing - the T780 and possibly others - it appears to be more than just one or two isolated cases. KJ On Thursday, June 15, 2017 at 9:22:55 PM UTC-4, Clayton.sf wrote: > > Rich, my newer xt rear

[RBW] Re: Rear hub for Atlantis build: WI or PW?

Rich, my newer xt rear hub's freehub body seized twice. Original and the replacement in less than 2 years. This failure turns the hub into a fixed wheel unexpectedly and depending on when it happens the consequences can be serious. "Toning it down" in regards to this failure mode does not

[RBW] Re: Rear hub for Atlantis build: WI or PW?

Rich at Rivendell here. I'm a little concerned about over-generalizing on this thread, from anecdotal information or personal experience. I don't know of any general weaknesses in current Phil, WI, or Shimano hubs. It's important, I think, to be careful, especially about negative feedback

Re: [RBW] Re: Rear hub for Atlantis build: WI or PW?

A friend bought a used Atlantis that came with CK hubs, he switched rear wheels to get rid of the noise. Steve On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 2:25 PM Minh wrote: > > As an owner of CK classic hubs, i strongly suggest you demo them before > owning them, mine are older so this may

Re: [RBW] Re: Rear hub for Atlantis build: WI or PW?

As an owner of CK classic hubs, i strongly suggest you demo them before owning them, mine are older so this may not be as true with new ones but they soundinteresting. i use a PW freewheel rear and that's been great, but it sounds like most issues are with the cassette options. --

Re: [RBW] Re: Rear hub for Atlantis build: WI or PW?

Yes when I was debating whether to buy PW hubs I balked at the price for PW rear cassette hubs. Mark Abele at Riv suggested the WI MI15hubs and Rich built my 650B wheels for $870.00 which I think is really reasonable for hand-built high quality wheels. As others have noted, too, they are lovely

[RBW] Re: Rear hub for Atlantis build: WI or PW?

I like high engagement hubs, so I'd go King classics or Onyx. The Onyx is especially attractive for being silent. White is local to me, and I think their hubs are beautiful, and a great match for a dynamo wheel. Everyone says nice things about the DT 240 and 350, if you aren't set on American

[RBW] Re: Rear hub for Atlantis build: WI or PW?

> > No for me, on Shimano hubs. They suck. I won't consider them until they > make sealed bearing hubs. I really like DT swiss hubs. They have a sealed > bearing system and my favorite freehub design (Easy to pull and maintain). > Every pair of the newer Shimano hubs I owned (3), had dimpled

Re: [RBW] Re: Rear hub for Atlantis build: WI or PW?

If this conversation is about hubs and money is not an object, then let me throw my two cents in the pot. I have two bikes with White Industries rear hubs, two bikes with Chris King classic rear hubs, and one bike with an XT touring hub. The white industries hubs are great, my only complaint

Re: [RBW] Re: Rear hub for Atlantis build: WI or PW?

"the replacement of the steel axles with aluminum resulted in smaller diameter bearing balls to allow for the increase in axle diameter. The result is compromised longevity." Thanks Pano for this insight/info. On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 10:51 AM, panog wrote: > I have

Re: [RBW] Re: Rear hub for Atlantis build: WI or PW?

I have the WI MI5 on my Riv and I am very pleased with it. The wheels are built using H+Son TB-14 rims and 36 Sapim Race spokes. A word of caution on the newer XT hubs; the replacement of the steel axles with aluminum resulted in smaller diameter bearing balls to allow for the increase in axle

Re: [RBW] Re: Rear hub for Atlantis build: WI or PW?

Hi Birdman, I have no experience with PW but I had Rich build me a WI M15 26" (36 spokes) rear wheel and a Son Hub front (36 spokes) for my 51 Atlantis. Both front and rear wheels performed well during my TransAm last 2016. I was very glad I had Rich build my wheels since I met 3 cyclist

[RBW] Re: Rear hub for Atlantis build: WI or PW?

Thanks all, I'm enjoying and learning from your thoughts/experiences/opinions. Cory, I've been in touch with Rich too. In fact, it was his mentioning the WI and PW as "high end" options for my situation/build that prompted this thread. Pleasure to meet another Atlantis-awaiter. Thanks again

[RBW] Re: Rear hub for Atlantis build: WI or PW?

Isaac- I'm in the same position as you - I'm awaiting an Atlantis, and presently putting together my build (with two wheelsets). I had thought about Phil hubs for one set of wheels (old XT hubs I already had for the other), but I went with MI-5s after speaking with Rich. There was no

[RBW] Re: Rear hub for Atlantis build: WI or PW?

I own the PW touring hub, had it for 3 years now. On the way down the coast on my tour last summer I stopped by PW and had them upgrade the hub to the latest 11 speed cassette body and change all the bearings, not that I needed it, I was just in the area. Since then I've put 10,000km on it

[RBW] Re: Rear hub for Atlantis build: WI or PW?

More money doesn't always mean a better hub, and I define an excellent hub as one that works as intended with minimal maintenance. FWIW, I don't own any cassette wheels, having run PW FW hubs ongoing. They have been excellent, and I for one do prefer the independence of hub and freewheel.

[RBW] Re: Rear hub for Atlantis build: WI or PW?

I think the WI M15's are beautiful hubs and less spendy than PW rear cassette hubs On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 10:38:28 AM UTC-5, Birdman wrote: > > So it turns out that while I wait for my Atlantis frame, I get to have > lots of fun drafting up my dream build before the cold, hard reality

[RBW] Re: Rear hub for Atlantis build: WI or PW?

I would personally go WI hub. It's durable and it's a great hub. i got one on a custom, and it's very well-made. However, I've never tried a phil hub, but i do remember hearing some issues in very freezing temps? On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 11:38:28 AM UTC-4, Birdman wrote: > > So it turns