[RBW] Re: Supple tires and rim fit trouble

2017-12-05 Thread RichS
Brian, this thread may be exhausted but for what it’s worth I built up two sets of Sun rims this year. 26” Rhyno-Lite and 700c CR-18. The Rhyno-Lites built up fine and I mounted Compass1.75s on them w/o much difficulty. The 700s were a different story. Front wheel went together okay. The rear

[RBW] Re: Supple tires and rim fit trouble

2017-12-05 Thread Eric Karnes
Thanks for all the replies! As always, this group is super helpful. I'll definitely bring the wheel to my mechanic as Bill recommends and see if he can get the tire on/off easily. If not, I may have to bite the bullet and go back to OpenPros or A719s. Which means getting my brand new wheels

[RBW] Re: Supple tires and rim fit trouble

2017-12-04 Thread Brian Campbell
FWIW, I swore off using an SUN CR-18's after I ended up with 3 sets of wheels built with the defective (slightly too large) rims. Getting any tire on or off was chore. Roadside flats were a nightmare. I once had a Nexus 8 Speed internal hubbed whee/tire l pick up a staple, and go flat. I was

[RBW] Re: Supple tires and rim fit trouble

2017-12-04 Thread Craig Montgomery
I've had the same problem. Mostly with the older rims like Mavic MA40's and their equivalents and Model 58's. Have pinched a couplafew tubes getting Bon Jon Passes 35's on. I don't remember having problems with CR-18's though. Craig in Tucson On Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 10:32:24 AM

[RBW] Re: Supple tires and rim fit trouble

2017-12-03 Thread Kellie
There's a product Stan's No Tubes sells just for this problem as I've encountered this with setting up tubeless. Can't remember the name but a small bottle with applicator rubbed on the rim/tire and whatever the liquid really does help with getting the tire on. Take a look. On Thursday,

[RBW] Re: Supple tires and rim fit trouble

2017-12-01 Thread dougP
Thanks, Patrick. Good to hear. dougP On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 2:30:30 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote: > > DougP, yup. A-719 and all Compass offerings I’ve put on them work just > fine. > > With abandon, > Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google

[RBW] Re: Supple tires and rim fit trouble

2017-12-01 Thread Deacon Patrick
DougP, yup. A-719 and all Compass offerings I’ve put on them work just fine. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: Supple tires and rim fit trouble

2017-12-01 Thread dougP
I've been considering those same Compass Snoqualmie Pass tires but this gives me pause. Does anyone have experience with these on 700cMavic A-719 rims? Thx, dougP On Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 9:32:24 AM UTC-8, Eric Karnes wrote: > > Hi all- > > I have a question about the fit of supple

[RBW] Re: Supple tires and rim fit trouble

2017-12-01 Thread Pete Olson
Based on my experience, it may be more related to tubeless rims rather than supple tires. This fall I had an 8 year old 650B Velocity Synergy rear rim crack. I had a local frame builder/mechanic build an new wheel. He wasn't able to order a Synergy, so he got an A-23. I had just switched from

[RBW] Re: Supple tires and rim fit trouble

2017-12-01 Thread RonaTD
On Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 11:37:36 PM UTC-6, Justin, Oakland wrote: > I had a wheelset from VO with rims from that CR18 oversized batch. Fucking > horrendous. I blame the rim in that case. > > -J Ironically, my VO wheels with their own rims are a perfect match to Rat Trap Pass tires!

[RBW] Re: Supple tires and rim fit trouble

2017-11-30 Thread Justin, Oakland
I had a wheelset from VO with rims from that CR18 oversized batch. Fucking horrendous. I blame the rim in that case. -J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,

[RBW] Re: Supple tires and rim fit trouble

2017-11-30 Thread drew
Barlow pass tires were my first foray into the world of supple. Mounted them on sun cr18 and they were by far the hardest tires I've ever mounted. Didn't take 30 minutes, and I'm not afraid to ride the bike, but I did note how difficult they were. -- You received this message because you are

[RBW] Re: Supple tires and rim fit trouble

2017-11-30 Thread RonaTD
On Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 11:32:24 AM UTC-6, Eric Karnes wrote: > > Hi all- > > I have a question about the fit of supple tires and the way they fit on > rims. > > Compass Snoqualmie Passes on Sun C-18s (700c). Both tires are so tight to > the rim they're very difficult to get off and

[RBW] Re: Supple tires and rim fit trouble

2017-11-30 Thread David B
Hi Eric, I am running Snoqualmie Pass tires on CR18s and while a little tight, they're not overly difficult to mount. I did use Stan's tape on those as I was out of cloth rim tape so maybe that is what helped. David On Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 2:26:38 PM UTC-6, Eric Karnes wrote: > > Hi

[RBW] Re: Supple tires and rim fit trouble

2017-11-30 Thread Bill Lindsay
Eric Do you have other tubeless-compatible wheelsets? Among your 2, 3, 6 tubeless compatible wheelsets, are your A-23s unusually or uniquely different from all the other tubeless compatible wheelsets in your stable? Technique-wise, the key is pushing the bead into the deep well in the

Re: [RBW] Re: Supple tires and rim fit trouble

2017-11-30 Thread Tim Gavin
Eric- I believe there were indeed a batch of CR-18s made several years ago that were out of specification; the diameter was larger than 622 mm. I don't know if they were mis-labeled 630 mm (aka 27") rims or just bad quality control. Perhaps yours were from that batch? Where and when did you

[RBW] Re: Supple tires and rim fit trouble

2017-11-30 Thread Eric Karnes
Hi Bill- Yep, I used Stan's tubeless rim tape on the A23s as specified. I don't remember them being quite as bad as the Sun rims, but they were still difficult. I'm a pretty mediocre home mechanic and I'm sure I could improve my technique, but I also rarely require more than on tire lever even

[RBW] Re: Supple tires and rim fit trouble

2017-11-30 Thread Bill Lindsay
A-23 rims are tubeless compatible. This means you should/must use tubeless rim tape, even if you are running tubes. Stans, or an equivalent thin, slippery rim tape is necessary, unless you want to make your life miserable. What rim tape are you using? The very tightest tires take me about a

[RBW] Re: Supple tires and rim fit trouble

2017-11-30 Thread dougP
Eric: The only supple tires I've tried were the Soma C-Lines. My Atlantis has Mavic A-719 rims, and both the Somas and various Schwalbes have mounted easily by hand. I think there's enough difference in rims that a tire that may be tight on one could be an easy install on another brand or