Re: [RBW] Re: The BLAHG, eRivs?

My first disc brake experience was with a cheap mechanical disc brake, and braking performance, by any measure, was on par with cheap caliper or v-brakes. They'd stop the bike as needed, but I didn't observe any advantage with them. I then upgraded to some Shimano XT hydraulics and this is when

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Would love a disc brake 650b Hunqapillar US or Taiwan-made. It would be a fight to try to get one before it sold out thouh -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,

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Just think: a Hunqapillar or an Atlantis with hydraulic discs, front-wheel swap-in electric motor, and full-time concierge parking service, and most radical of all, *no second top tube!* C'mon, Grant! Seriously, I can believe you. I've not tried hydraulic discs except for the one time I sampled

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What are you trying to stop with them? I've got 1.5 hydraulic brakes sitting in my bike mess at home (I have a plan to put a disc brake onto a Bob Yak trailer) and I spent some time with them on a regular bike but didn't really see any difference between them and the mechanical discs I put

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"And I hear that hydraulic disc brakes are even more powerful and that they modulate even better than the best mechanicals." If you ever want to get brake-spoiled, try hydraulics. Power and modulation with light hand pressure out the kazoo; they make even the mechanical discs on my folder feel

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I've potholed a few rims, and the main damage to them is the brake track. You /can/ get the bend out (one of my potholed rims is a 650b ztr355, which can't be replaced for love or money now that Stans has drunk deep from the disc brake well, so you can be assured that I fixed that wagon and

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On 06/03/2017 03:24 PM, Garth wrote: If I am going to compare costs between this and that, it has to be the total cost of ownership. So sure, rims and pads may wear down and require replacement, but a wheel of disc brakes is not immune to the same and/or it's own issues. They are still

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If I am going to compare costs between this and that, it has to be the total cost of ownership. So sure, rims and pads may wear down and require replacement, but a wheel of disc brakes is not immune to the same and/or it's own issues. They are still relatively new so long term costs are

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I happily use calipers on 3 of my 4 bikes, but for an off road bike with 700C wheels -- = heavy -- discs have some advantages that haven't been mentioned. 1. IME, they are *not* less efficient than cantilevers or V brakes; in fact, the mechanical discs I've used are as powerful as most rim brakes

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I find it surprisingly not surprising at all much of the bike biz has gone hog wild for disc brakes. I actually prefer to brake as little and as light as possible, and I live in area where there are many 1 mile and under steep and curvy rolly polly hills to ride on. I drive my pickup the

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On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 12:49 PM, Grant Petersen wrote: ... ... > Bikes aren't lite versions of motor vehicles, and adopting > motor-technology unnecessarily on bicycles in order to make them appear > more high tech (and when you see disc brakes on citi-bikes, what else can

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On Saturday, June 3, 2017 at 9:50:41 AM UTC-7, Grant @ Rivendell wrote: > > I'm probably becoming a predictable bore on disc brakes, but still and for > the record, except for the few conditions where it's an obvious benefit to > get the brake away from the tire (mudglop and grit), the rim IS

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On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 9:02 AM, drew wrote: > I don't know if I would buy one (and since he's already said he's against > it, it would sorta make me sad) but I think it would be a good move for the > company and they would sell a lot. It would also help to differentiate

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I agree. As I've been attempting to perfect my bike stable, attempting to have the least amount of bikes for all my possible riding, I've found myself with 3 of my 5 bikes with disc brakes, and down to one Riv (Rosco v2) where I had as many as 4 at one time (Hilsen, Hillborne, Romulus, Rosco) - if

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I don't know if I would buy one (and since he's already said he's against it, it would sorta make me sad) but I think it would be a good move for the company and they would sell a lot. It would also help to differentiate the models, which are getting pretty overlappy on the dirt and tour side.

[RBW] Re: The BLAHG, eRivs?

I would buy a Taiwan 650b plus Hunqapillar with disk brakes. I know Riv/Grant isn't thrilled with disks, but they're pretty much the future for bikes intended to tackle dirt roads. I know some folks perceive them as more complex, but after some time with mechanical disks on my folder I've found

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Keith, >From what I understand, folks have already successfully run 29x2.5 tires in >their Hunqs. I imagine, though, that those "2.5s" weren't actual 2.5s, but >maybe they were. I agree, however, that this sort of clearance for a >27.5/650b+ tire would be really cool. Thing is, it's likely

[RBW] Re: The BLAHG, eRivs?

On Thursday, June 1, 2017 at 7:40:58 AM UTC-6, Philip Kim wrote: > > yep. at that point might as well go disc brakes > >> >> Phillip, I suppose I see your point. If Velocity stopped making the cliffhanger (as they did once before), you'd kind of be screwed. That might actually be one of

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A Hunqapillar made by their excellent Taiwan manufacturers at ~$500 to $1000 lower price, while still making sustainable revenue for Rivendell would also be nice. BL in EC On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 10:54:58 PM UTC-7, iamkeith wrote: > > So... sorry to change the subject, but I

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Not BITD - today and for the foreseeable future! Here in Toronto - like many other big cities I would guess - both e-bikes and e-mopeds are plentiful. They are allowed in the bike lanes and don't require a license to operate. I agree they have certain benefits to providing greater utility and

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yep. at that point might as well go disc brakes On Thursday, June 1, 2017 at 1:54:58 AM UTC-4, iamkeith wrote: > > So... sorry to change the subject, but I finally got around to reading > the pertinent Blahg entry, and what caught my eye was something else > entirely. And unlike an

[RBW] Re: The BLAHG, eRivs?

So... sorry to change the subject, but I finally got around to reading the pertinent Blahg entry, and what caught my eye was something else entirely. And unlike an e-riv, it sounds like it's at least a remote possibility. Is anyone else as excited as me by the possibility of a

[RBW] Re: The BLAHG, eRivs?

Hi - At the outset, I should state, that I would not buy a bicycle with an electric motor. I am not without experience in the world of electric vehicles (known as EVs in some circles). I think EVs are here to stay. I invested in Tesla. I currently drive a Nissan Leaf. I don't think a Leaf is

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I-phones, e-bikes, o boy! I think any bike designed around a specific motor system will indeed become obsolete sooner than later. And so the 10-year-old bicycle in the back of the garage will have more in common with a computer sporting a floppy drive than a vintage Bridgestone XO-2. Though

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I'd just like to say I appreciate everyone's comments on this topic, and realize it's a touchy one for many. My goal isn't to hijack a Riv forum for ebike talk, I'm just chiming in about a topic that has come up several times recently on The Blahg. Ebikes are THE big discussion in the bicycle

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I also have a Haibike from Germany with a Yamaha mid-drive built into a dedicated ebike frame..this is the type you're seeing in your shop. Here's a link to the place I got my folder, which will give you an idea how these kits fit on standard frames. My folder started with a small battery

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That's kinda neat. I didn't realize there were any mid-drive kits that could be retrofitted to a normal BB. All the mid-drive setups I've seen are big bricks. But then, I'm not in the e-bike market (except for the new ones that go through our shop). Still, it would be best if the battery were

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I haven't even read the blahg yet but will say that, as a reformed motorhead and perpetual mechanical tinkerer/hobbyist who found cycling as a redemption from more destructive pastimes, I'll admit to being both very intrigued by e-bikes and disgusted at the thought of seeing them on trails and

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PS: I'll buy one to give to the wee little wanker who passed me this morning in a lifted black pickup with extraloud muffler and very little acceleration. On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 12:25 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: > My goodness! How uncharitable! Mercy! > > Patrick "LOL" Moore

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My goodness! How uncharitable! Mercy! Patrick "LOL" Moore On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 7:35 AM, Deacon Patrick wrote: > One of my less-than brilliant visions is to buy a pile of these stickers > and put them on parked motorcycles in the area (I used Gran't link to the > sticker

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Apologies for the confusing last eight words of my post. It was all fine up to them..and even I can't figure it out. Oh, language! ("...has to be worked out in 'pedal' mode.") Whaaa--? On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 9:30 AM, Grant @ Rivendell wrote: > We won't sell eBikes

[RBW] Re: The BLAHG, eRivs?

My personal anticipatory frustration with e-MTBs is there is a certain, albeit basic and low, level of knowledge required to end up on certain trails __ miles in. This "filter" correlates with a certain quality of person -- one who tends to care for their surroundings, knows basics of

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In some strange way, e-cycling seems to address several of Grant's philosophies on what cycling ought to be. Comfort, broad use, accessibility, the whole "Just Ride" approach away from the marketed "racing " utopian approach of the later decades. Add to these the good feeling of increased

[RBW] Re: The BLAHG, eRivs?

We've experimented with putting bionx kits on a riv or two. The utility factor can't be denied. From an aesthetic factorI ended up taking them off. They were bionx aftermarket kits and they had excellent range, function etc etc. They were just too ugly for a Riv. We recently got a demo

[RBW] Re: The BLAHG, eRivs?

Yes, that's what mopeds became (and it's what may be the future of this generation; there are already some /very/ scooter-looking electric mopeds out there that I occasionally see on the bike paths/locked up to bike racks in Portland. The only thing keeping the electric mopeds from becoming

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I hesitate a little to chime in because I recognize and agree, to some extent, with both sides of the thinking. That said, I have an electric assist cargo bike, a somewhat cobbled together but perfectly functional Yuba Mundo and I will say that it is the most practical vehicle I have ever

[RBW] Re: The BLAHG, eRivs?

One of my less-than brilliant visions is to buy a pile of these stickers and put them on parked motorcycles in the area (I used Gran't link to the sticker factory to make up a prototype). I suppose e-bikes are quiet, but they haven't caught on here yet, knock on wood. Sardonic grin. With

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I don't see Rivendell as the shop you'd think of to go buy an e-bike. And I doubt that Riv would "put some bikes together with the latest mid-drive motors with 5 levels of pedal-assist available". A mid-drive motor would wreck the aesthetics of the classic diamond frame that Riv celebrates, and

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I wouldn't buy one right now. But if I had mobility problems that prevented me from pedaling my bike, I'd seriously consider it. I live in NYC and ebikes are everywhere, mostly being ridden by people delivering food. I live in Queens and commute into Manhattan by bike via the Williamsburg

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completely agree. i see more parents in the morning taking their kids to school by bike and they are usually on an e-bike in office clothes. makes sense - you want to drop your kids off and get to work on time, maybe not get too sweaty before getting into the office. then after work, could have

[RBW] Re: The BLAHG, eRivs?

completely agree. i see more parents in the morning taking their kids to school by bike and they are usually on an e-bike in office clothes. makes sense - you want to drop your kids off and get to work on time, maybe not get too sweaty before getting into the office. then after work, could have

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Precisely. And they are so much greener than scooters. --Tom On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 4:09:59 AM UTC-4, panog wrote: > > A year ago it would be remarkable if I saw one ebike a month. Yesterday I > saw three during the morning commute alone. They are not coming, they are > here and when they

[RBW] Re: The BLAHG, eRivs?

A year ago it would be remarkable if I saw one ebike a month. Yesterday I saw three during the morning commute alone. They are not coming, they are here and when they become cheaper to buy there will be many, many more. If ebiking makes cycling approachable to more people, I'd welcome it. More

[RBW] Re: The BLAHG, eRivs?

I should correct my original post after reading the BLAHG again: Grant references not thinking this would work for them. I implied they might possibly do it someday, which is not correct. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.

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Mopeds were slow motorcycles you could only ride by using the throttle. The pedals only existed to qualify it as non-licensed back in the day, you couldn't actually use it as a bicycle. So the comparison, while pithy, has nothing to do with the question I asked. -- You received this message

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Mopeds just won't stay dead, will they? It's nice that this generation of them are battery-electrics, but an electric Rivespa will never displace any of my clutter of pushbikes. -david parsons On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 11:53:44 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote: > > Grant mentioned ebikes