I guess I have have a question about floor living in general. As this is
the first I've ever really heard of it. I have one on those big yoga
balls that I sit on sometimes instead of a chair and stretch on it
sometimes too.
A little background, my back hurts a lot, neck and knees too. Being a
Hey Scott,
If you're looking for a test area that will help you know if this nutty
idea works for you or not, I'd suggest sleeping on the floor (if that can
be done in a way conducive with whatever your family life is). When I
switched, my wife switched too, so that made it a non-issue.
I started 6-7 years ago in my home office. Rigged up a system which I still
use. Imagine all your paperwork, stapler, ruler, etc, on the floor, keyboard a
level up, computer another level up still. (See photo in link).
From there I added floor sleeping (no photo). Next was floor dining (photo).
Two coworkers, Lance and Dave, just reconfigured their cubicles to stand-up
format
Lance is an ultra endurance athlete and has found that standing almost 100%
of his waking hours helps keep foot issues at bay during events
Dave is a life long code monkey who has no body issues yet but wants to
Yoga balls don't fix the fundamental flaw of the chair position. We didn't
sit like that for 2 million years. Now it's the only way to sit?
With abandon,
Patrick
On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 11:47:39 AM UTC-6, William wrote:
Two coworkers, Lance and Dave, just reconfigured their cubicles to
Baby steps. It'll take me half the day to move my cubicle to the floor.
Humans might have sat on the ground for 2 million years, but I've been
sitting on a chair for 44. Let me ease into it..with only a tiny bit
of abandon.
On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 10:54:21 AM UTC-7, Deacon
Thanks for the chuckle! Great plan! Enjoy the shift.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 12:20:26 PM UTC-6, William wrote:
Baby steps. It'll take me half the day to move my cubicle to the floor.
Humans might have sat on the ground for 2 million years, but I've been
A chuckle was precisely what I was after...
Completely independent of this thread, yesterday I was at work and craving
a cat-nap. I went to the smallest conference room which has a lock inside.
I turned out the lights and had a 20-minute nap right there on the floor
and felt like a million
I switched to a standing desk over 10 years ago. It worked really well for
me and eliminated the back tightness that I had. I do try to get on the
floor as much as I can. Just getting down and up from the floor works a
number of core muscles.
~mike
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Michael,
I discovered with my vertigo that sitting in chairs taxed my brain
enormously because the position is poor and provides little proprioceptive
feedback so the body knows where it is in space (my primary compensation
for my constant neurological vertigo). So wherever I am, I do not sit
Patrick: If you have any insights into the followingI'd be interested to
hear them.
I've wondered the same thing, namely whether simply sitting up straight
without leaning against anything does something positive for your trunk
muscles. I used to say my prayers sitting cross legged on the floor,
Forgot to add something, as usual: I'l bet that standing, as is customary
in an Orthodox church where there are usually no pews and chairs only for
the old, infirm, and lazy, for up to 3 hours for a service is good for your
core muscles! It took me six months to get used to it, and even now I cop
I'll chime in and say that I stand up most of the time--I have an Anthro
cart, which allows me to work at a computer while standing up. I find that
I don't stand still, but rather, move my position throughout the day.
My thinking is that sitting puts your back/neck/shoulders in an unnatural
Well, Patrick, I'm no posture expert, but rather a n=6 experiment (our
whole family). As Christopher mentions, one of the keys is not sitting
still, but naturally shifting as needed. This is what has the core
constantly engaged: moving and working and adjusting. Cross-legged: I'll
shift around
Thanks, Patrick -- much good information here. I will archive this
conversation and go back and read it at more leisure. (MUST get back to
work. Must get back to work ...)
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:
Well, Patrick, I'm no posture expert, but
Don-
If you have some back pain, I'd definitely recommend that you check out
Esther Gokhale's *8 Steps to a Pain-Free Back*. You can probably see the
table of contents and read some sections over at Amazon to get a much
better feel for her ideas and approach than I can give you here. I think
Another floor sitter here. When you sit onto floor without back support, you
have no choice but to work your core. Also, you have to shift positions--unlike
when you're supported by a comfy chair. So in essence, you're doing work just
to stay upright. Tiring at first but it works. Been doing
I just want to say thanks for all your ideas. This is a great site and the
members are very caring.
Monday, I started a regimen with a clinic called Pump in Lodi. It's run by
P.T's and they concentrate on core and balance. I had been going to a gym
for years and just got lazy. After only riding
I know I've mentioned this before, but sitting on the floor without chairs
or back rest (like you're out in the woods) works your core all the time,
so you don't have to do core exercises. Takes a few months to get
proficient at it, and it inherently means shifting positions every 20-40
Deacon Patrick,
So you mean, that whenever you sit at home, you are on the floor, cross
legged, leaning on nothing? What positions do you find you can maintain for
longest?
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What core exercises do you do now?
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Michael,
I am starting slow. No sit ups. Mostly balancing workouts. trying to hold
my hips stable by using my abs. It all seems pretty simple, but after a few
minutes, I realize how I have not been using these muscles. Also, because
the majority of my exercise has been on the bike, my stability
Back problems can be caused by a number of different factors. The
joints might be arthritic, The disc might be bulging. The nerves
might be irritated. The muscles might be tight. And all these things
lead to each other. Bottom line, is that what works for one may not
work for another because
You may have made too much change all at once - too much change in the
handlebars, and it might have been better to do lots of smaller rides
to allow your back to get used to it. Baby steps are the key when
making changes like this.
For now it seems like you've sorted things out, which is
Hi,
I used to have lots of back aches after moderate to long bike rides.
(60 mi). And it did n't matter much whether i was upright or on the
drops. When using the drops changing had positions often did help
some. The soluion only came when I started to go to the gym every
morning through the
I am just realizing the exact same thing, so glad you posted about
this. After a few years of riding road and track bikes where the
handlebars were generally lower than the saddle, I decided to build my
brevet bike for comfort: extra tall Technomic stem with Noodles. I
figured this would
John, that is a gorgeous bike, but I'm prejudice. I have an ebisu
with the same color fenders. I concur with your back analysis. I
have found that my back often feels better if I ride on the drops for
5-10 minutes. Enjoy.
Michael
On May 13, 1:13 am, John Ferguson rfj1...@yahoo.com wrote:
I will suggest you read this blog entry by Dave Moulton
http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com/blog/2007/8/17/position-is-all-about-comfort-and-efficiency.html
My guess is by lowering your bar, you back is flat. Bottom line, if
it does not hurt and give you the performance level you want, it is
Just proves once again that one-size-fits-all (or one-philosophy-fits-
all, as in raise 'd bars!) does not work for everyone.
--Eric
campyonly...@me.com
www.campyonly.com
www.wheelsnorth.org
On May 13, 2009, at 12:09 PM, RonLau wrote:
I will suggest you read this blog entry by Dave
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 11:13 PM, John Ferguson rfj1...@yahoo.com wrote:
As some of you may remember, I recently built up a Saluki with your
generous help in selecting components.
I have an on-and-off bad back, and thought it would be a great idea to
raise the handlebars substantially above
Boy, Moulton's experience hit home with me. I went from a 10 CM stem
and Noodle bar (110 mm reach?) on my Riv Road, to an 8 cm stem with a
Ritchie Biomax bar (80 mm reach) set 3 cm lower, and was more
comfortable. My back angle didn't change much, but my hands are now
not so far in front of my
Either way, that's one beautiful bike!!!
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 10:13 PM, John Ferguson rfj1...@yahoo.com wrote:
As some of you may remember, I recently built up a Saluki with your
generous help in selecting components.
I have an on-and-off bad back, and thought it would be a great idea to
I¹d say that as an added bonus, the bike looks a lot better (to my eye at
least) with the current fit. But I¹m with you: for me, slightly lower bars
let me stretch out the lower back and take some of the pressure off it.
Dustin ³Rules of thumb are great, but nothing beats experimentation² Sharp
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