Re: [RBW] Re: what would make the best..

2010-06-22 Thread CycloFiend
On Jun 21, 1:02 am, andrew hill neurod...@gmail.com wrote: Lighter rubber and/or lighter wheels on the Sam are an excellent place to start. And I appreciate the suggestion to enjoy the slowness.  :)   But it's not really an illusion - on a different bike (29er mtn bike with 2.2 knobbys) i

Re: [RBW] Re: what would make the best..

2010-06-21 Thread cyclotourist
My similar data-point: http://cyclotourist.blogspot.com/2010/05/bike-servations.html That was on a flat route though. On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Bill Gibson bill.bgib...@gmail.com wrote: Perception of speed is just that: subjective. Enjoy your ride! To go fast, get a good night's

Re: [RBW] Re: what would make the best..

2010-06-20 Thread Bill Gibson
Perception of speed is just that: subjective. Enjoy your ride! To go fast, get a good night's sleep, eat drink well, be well, don't wear flappy clothes, find your fast tires (which may or may not the most durable). In that order. The engine, the air, then tires. If it's hilly, OK, lose weight,

Re: [RBW] Re: what would make the best..

2010-06-15 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 20:30 -0700, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: But now that you mentioned it, maybe Jan Heine can repeat his tire rolling resistance tests, except to test the effect of different numbers and lacing patterns of spokes. Wouldn't a drum test work even better? --

[RBW] Re: what would make the best..

2010-06-15 Thread JoelMatthews
Or, my favorite solution: reject the dominant racing paradigm and embrace your slowness! By far the best advice! On Jun 14, 8:39 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: The spoke count matters very little compared to the weight of the tire/ tube/rim combination. You can

[RBW] Re: what would make the best..

2010-06-15 Thread Darin G.
I posted similar questions to yours a while back as Speed Up My Sam. I had just abandoned my racing bike for a Sam and was struggling with how sluggish it felt when climbing and generally losing 2-3 mph over my average pace. I ultimately just rode the century with my commuting wheels, fenders

[RBW] Re: what would make the best..

2010-06-15 Thread Michael_S
Just my humble opinion but finishing a ride slower that a previous one of equal distance can be due to many factors, fitness level, wind and weather, proper hydration and food intake, tire pressure, etc. etc. Most people ( not here for the most part) think bigger tires means slower. I guess I

[RBW] Re: what would make the best..

2010-06-15 Thread JoelMatthews
Good point Mike. Rolling resistance is a huge factor. If the rides are on relatively debris free roads, the Schwalbe Kojak is another comfotably wide tire that rolls very freely. On Jun 15, 1:13 pm, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: Just my humble opinion but finishing a ride  slower

[RBW] Re: what would make the best..

2010-06-14 Thread JoelMatthews
i'm using Mavic rims with 36h XT hubs front and rear, with 40mm Schwalbe Mara Supremems. Andrew: Those are pretty big tires. For sure quite comfortable to ride (I know mine are!), but a lot of rubber to move as well. A lighter, tire coupled to lighter wheelset will make a big difference.

[RBW] Re: what would make the best..

2010-06-14 Thread William
Andrew Dont forget to consider the rear wheel spacing. Your Hillborne is 135mm, but if you go to a traditional go-fast, you may find yourself shopping for a 130mm rear wheel all over again. On Jun 13, 10:39 pm, andrew hill neurod...@gmail.com wrote: thanks guys - good suggestion. i'm using

[RBW] Re: what would make the best..

2010-06-14 Thread Jeremy Till
Don't forget the upcoming Rivendell/Soma collaboration (Amos?)- basically a road bike for 57mm calipers (like Ram, Rom, and Roadeo) with the expanded geos. Sounds like exactly what you're looking for. On Jun 13, 7:17 pm, andrew hill neurod...@gmail.com wrote: hi folks, i loved riding my first

Re: [RBW] Re: what would make the best..

2010-06-14 Thread andrew hill
ah.. i had forgotten the not-Amos. that or a SimpleOne will prob be my next, then.. thanks! andrew On Jun 14, 2010, at 11:37 AM, Jeremy Till wrote: Don't forget the upcoming Rivendell/Soma collaboration (Amos?)- basically a road bike for 57mm calipers (like Ram, Rom, and Roadeo) with the

[RBW] Re: what would make the best..

2010-06-14 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
The spoke count matters very little compared to the weight of the tire/ tube/rim combination. You can save a bunch of rolling weight and probably improve rolling resistance, for example, simply by switching to an ultralight tube (I almost always use ultralight tubes). You save even more rolling

[RBW] Re: what would make the best..

2010-06-14 Thread eflayer
you might find a subtle, yet fine difference with an off the rack Gunnar Sport...with a carbon fork. i think bikes with longer chainstays seem slower. the Sport is just a bit shorter that way and the geometry is a tad more upright in the front and about the same in the seat tube compared to the

[RBW] Re: what would make the best..

2010-06-14 Thread XO-1.org Rough Riders
Eric Hjertberg, who knows more about wheels than the rest of the planet combined, told me that the combined frontal area of 36 spokes is more than the bicycle frame itself, plus the spokes are spinning through the air as the bike moves forward, further adding drag to our forward movement. Thus,

[RBW] Re: what would make the best..

2010-06-14 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
I don't want to get into a 2nd hand argument with Eric Hjertberg about aerodynamics of spokes, but I would suggest that the OP is riding a Hillborne (not the usual choice for the TT crowd) and that he just did his first century with relatively large, heavy touring tires. I'm sure there are at

Re: [RBW] Re: what would make the best..

2010-06-14 Thread cyclotourist
FWIW, my buddy uses 26 tubes in his 29er wheels. They're lighter than 29er UL tubes (and half the cost) as well as the tubeless fluids/strips. He's pretty happy with his set up, and doesn't puncture very often. He says it's not a hassle to mount them, but YMMV. On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 8:30

Re: [RBW] Re: what would make the best..

2010-06-14 Thread Rene Sterental
Now that you mention Jan Heine, today I received my BQ for the summer of 2010 and in it, there is a very interesting article and discussion regarding whether modern bicycles are actually faster than older ones based on an analysis of Tour de France speed. I haven't read it yet, just finished

[RBW] Re: what would make the best..

2010-06-14 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
We use UL 26x2.4-2.7 tubes in Surly Endomorph/Larry 26x3.7 tires. Saves about a pound per wheel over the standard tube. Haven't had one of these flat yet. On Jun 14, 11:01 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: FWIW, my buddy uses 26 tubes in his 29er wheels.  They're lighter than 29er

Re: [RBW] Re: what would make the best..

2010-06-14 Thread cyclotourist
A pound per wheel... wow! On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: We use UL 26x2.4-2.7 tubes in Surly Endomorph/Larry 26x3.7 tires. Saves about a pound per wheel over the standard tube. Haven't had one of these flat yet. On Jun 14, 11:01 pm,

[RBW] Re: what would make the best..

2010-06-13 Thread JoelMatthews
If you like your Sam, you may be able to get the extra boost you want for cheap with an event wheel set. You do not say what you are using currently, but if it is optimal for commuting, it is a probably heavier with wider tires. Get your favorite hubsets in 32h configuration, match them to a set

[RBW] Re: what would make the best..

2010-06-13 Thread rcnute
Seems to me that the Sam would be just fine for both, unless you have a heavy rack/heavy tires on it. I wanted a fast-ish, stripped-down skinny tire bike and found an old Trek on Craiglist for $120. Lots of great deals out there for nice old steel bikes. Ryan On Jun 13, 7:46 pm, JoelMatthews

[RBW] Re: what would make the best..

2010-06-13 Thread XO-1.org Rough Riders
I would recommend some lighter, and more importantly, far more aero wheels. In this day and age, such wheels, with, for example, 24 spokes front and rear, are totally bomber if you buy from a reputable brand. I have ridden piles of miles on such wheels in the dirt, without a hitch. Cyclocross

Re: [RBW] Re: what would make the best..

2010-06-13 Thread andrew hill
thanks guys - good suggestion. i'm using Mavic rims with 36h XT hubs front and rear, with 40mm Schwalbe Mara Supremems. a lighter 32h wheelest/tires for event rides is an extremely good idea. and then i'd have one for a road-ey bike if i wanted to go more dedicated :) best, andrew -- You