Re: [RBW] Jan and Grant starting a wide tire revolution among racers now?

2012-10-19 Thread PATRICK MOORE
3500 fixed gear rear for a 650CX23 Conti Grand Prix; only 1,500 fixed rear for a 559X22 Turbo (much more in front, of course) but for me worth it for the ride. I probably under inflate, but I realized 20 years ago that the Turbos were particularly cushy for narrow tires if properly inflated. (I di

Re: [RBW] Jan and Grant starting a wide tire revolution among racers now?

2012-10-19 Thread PATRICK MOORE
There are some that come close, at least. I don't know about the Compass tires -- perhaps they fit your bill -- but the Kojak is light (at least with Kevlar bead), supple, fast, and my new, warranteed 559X1.35 wire beads claim "Level 4 flat protection" whatever that means. Just got back from a ver

Re: [RBW] Jan and Grant starting a wide tire revolution among racers now?

2012-10-19 Thread Tim McNamara
On Oct 19, 2012, at 12:24 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: > Even some of the most racer-ish cyclists will proudly boast that their > lightweight tires/rims/whatever are "bomb-proof" (I cringe to type that), > until they get a flat, which sends them in search of yet another lightweight,

Re: [RBW] Jan and Grant starting a wide tire revolution among racers now?

2012-10-19 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 10:27 -0700, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: > I haven't tried the Hetres, but one of these days I'll put together a > 650B bike and try them. I've heard lots of good stuff, but didn't > realize how durable they're proving to be. For me, flat resistant, comfortable, long

Re: [RBW] Jan and Grant starting a wide tire revolution among racers now?

2012-10-19 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 10:24 -0700, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: > I agree, Steve, if we're talking about tire "connoisseurs" (i.e. many > people reading this group), that some are willing to use a > no-compromise tire. Among 95% of my usual clientèle, however, a tire > that is somewhat delic

Re: [RBW] Jan and Grant starting a wide tire revolution among racers now?

2012-10-19 Thread Toshi Takeuchi
I don't know how strong they need to be, but my impression is that Grant prefers tires with stronger sidewalls--presumably because they are safer? I am a fan of high performance tires for event rides. The Pari-moto tires are fantastic. I also have Grand Bois Cypres for my 700c bike. For "everyday"

Re: [RBW] Jan and Grant starting a wide tire revolution among racers now?

2012-10-19 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
I haven't tried the Hetres, but one of these days I'll put together a 650B bike and try them. I've heard lots of good stuff, but didn't realize how durable they're proving to be. On Friday, October 19, 2012 12:19:15 PM UTC-5, Jan Heine wrote: > > > > On Friday, October 19, 2012 9:11:23 AM UTC-7,

Re: [RBW] Jan and Grant starting a wide tire revolution among racers now?

2012-10-19 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
I agree, Steve, if we're talking about tire "connoisseurs" (i.e. many people reading this group), that some are willing to use a no-compromise tire. Among 95% of my usual clientèle, however, a tire that is somewhat delicate for the sake of efficiency is a deal-breaker. No matter how nicely a ti

Re: [RBW] Jan and Grant starting a wide tire revolution among racers now?

2012-10-19 Thread Jan Heine
On Friday, October 19, 2012 9:11:23 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote: > If only there were a way to make a tire that was (a) fast and supple but > also provided (b) decent resistance to punctures from small pieces of > glass and sharp stone and long tread life. I guess while I'm at it I > s

Re: [RBW] Jan and Grant starting a wide tire revolution among racers now?

2012-10-19 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 09:33 -0700, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: > I don't know anybody who wants a puncture-prone tire, or expensive > tires that are worn to the threads after 2000 miles. Most of us find > that some middle ground is suitable. > Many are willing to accept < 2,000 miles per

Re: [RBW] Jan and Grant starting a wide tire revolution among racers now?

2012-10-19 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
As somebody who sells bike stuff to the general public, I can testify that the notion that every bike or part or accessory choice comes with a set of compromises is generally not easy to accept for many cyclists (especially those who just have one bike). I'd personally take the 35 mm Marathons o

Re: [RBW] Jan and Grant starting a wide tire revolution among racers now?

2012-10-19 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 09:17 -0700, Toshi Takeuchi wrote: > Does supple tire automatically mean weak sidewalls? I'm not even sure what "weak sidewalls" means. I'm using several different tires that are all assuredly fast and supple, including Grand Bois Cypres, Grand Bois Hetre and Challenge Pari

Re: [RBW] Jan and Grant starting a wide tire revolution among racers now?

2012-10-19 Thread Lyle Bogart
I agree, Steve. Fast, supple, puncture resistant. . . that'd be delightful. On 19 October 2012 12:11, Steve Palincsar wrote: > On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 08:59 -0700, Jan Heine wrote: > > When you look at our tire first tests, the three fastest tires > > measured 24, 25 and 38 mm wide. The slowest ti

Re: [RBW] Jan and Grant starting a wide tire revolution among racers now?

2012-10-19 Thread Toshi Takeuchi
Does supple tire automatically mean weak sidewalls? Toshi On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > If only there were a way to make a tire that was (a) fast and supple but > also provided (b) decent resistance to punctures from small pieces of > glass and sharp stone and l

Re: [RBW] Jan and Grant starting a wide tire revolution among racers now?

2012-10-19 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 08:59 -0700, Jan Heine wrote: > When you look at our tire first tests, the three fastest tires > measured 24, 25 and 38 mm wide. The slowest tires were 33 mm wide. The > correlation between width and speed/comfort applies only if you keep > the casing the same. > > A good thi

Re: [RBW] Jan and Grant starting a wide tire revolution among racers now?

2012-10-19 Thread Jan Heine
On Thursday, October 18, 2012 11:48:03 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: > who still thinks that skinny supple tires are better than fat stiff > ones. > I think that is easily overlooked. Given a choice between a 25 mm Vittoria Open CX Corsa and a 35 mm Schwalbe Marathon, I know I'd pick the sk

Re: [RBW] Jan and Grant starting a wide tire revolution among racers now?

2012-10-19 Thread Brewster Fong
On Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:23:12 PM UTC-7, Michael_S wrote: > > that's an easy fix... dump that crabby fiber fork and get a real steel > one. Fat tire problem solved What?! You want me to ADD weight to my bike? :) I suppose its possible, but are there really alot of people who "dump" th

Re: [RBW] Jan and Grant starting a wide tire revolution among racers now?

2012-10-18 Thread Reid
And here all this time, I've been s smug about my Ruffy Tuffys (28s) and how I don't fall for all that idiotic "racer boy" stuff. How am I gonna keep my self-righteous attitude if real racers are using 28s? How dare they! Reid -- You received this message because you are subscribed to t

Re: [RBW] Jan and Grant starting a wide tire revolution among racers now?

2012-10-18 Thread Michael_S
that's an easy fix... dump that crabby fiber fork and get a real steel one. Fat tire problem solved ~mike On Thursday, October 18, 2012 1:52:14 PM UTC-7, Brewster Fong wrote: > > > On Thursday, October 18, 2012 1:42:54 PM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote: >> >> It does sound strange to call 25 wider, but

Re: [RBW] Jan and Grant starting a wide tire revolution among racers now?

2012-10-18 Thread Lyle Bogart
ing, > Marc > > From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] > on behalf of Lyle Bogart [lylebog...@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 1:46 PM > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [RBW] Jan and

RE: [RBW] Jan and Grant starting a wide tire revolution among racers now?

2012-10-18 Thread Marc Schwartz
Lyle Bogart [lylebog...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 1:46 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Jan and Grant starting a wide tire revolution among racers now? You think? See, I was thinking of the floor (size-wise) as something like Grand Bois Cypres at 32, then

Re: [RBW] Jan and Grant starting a wide tire revolution among racers now?

2012-10-18 Thread Brewster Fong
On Thursday, October 18, 2012 1:42:54 PM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote: > > It does sound strange to call 25 wider, but my buddy just rebuilt his > 27-y-o Mercian into upright, and while he can fit a 28 commuter tire on the > rear with no worries, he's having problems with 25 a commuter tire on the > fr

Re: [RBW] Jan and Grant starting a wide tire revolution among racers now?

2012-10-18 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Thu, 2012-10-18 at 13:42 -0700, Ron Mc wrote: > It does sound strange to call 25 wider... It's all a matter of context. 25 /is/ "wider" when it come to racing tires and racing frames. There are plenty of racing frames that don't have room for a 25mm tire. And the extra width can have a huge

Re: [RBW] Jan and Grant starting a wide tire revolution among racers now?

2012-10-18 Thread Ron Mc
It does sound strange to call 25 wider, but my buddy just rebuilt his 27-y-o Mercian into upright, and while he can fit a 28 commuter tire on the rear with no worries, he's having problems with 25 a commuter tire on the front. If he gets anywhere near the recommended pressure, the bulge from h

Re: [RBW] Jan and Grant starting a wide tire revolution among racers now?

2012-10-18 Thread Lyle Bogart
ners-bunch@googlegroups.com [rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] > on behalf of Lyle Bogart [lylebog...@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 1:10 PM > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [RBW] Jan and Grant starting a wide tire revolution among > racers now?

RE: [RBW] Jan and Grant starting a wide tire revolution among racers now?

2012-10-18 Thread Marc Schwartz
8, 2012 1:10 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Jan and Grant starting a wide tire revolution among racers now? H. . . I thought "wider" began at 32mm. . . On 18 October 2012 11:49, lungimsam mailto:john11.2...@gmail.com>> wrote: Even race frames

Re: [RBW] Jan and Grant starting a wide tire revolution among racers now?

2012-10-18 Thread Lyle Bogart
H. . . I thought "wider" began at 32mm. . . On 18 October 2012 11:49, lungimsam wrote: > Even race frames are being changed to accomodate wider tires now?!?!?! > http://www.roadbikerider.com/ask-coach-fred > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "

Re: [RBW] Jan and Grant starting a wide tire revolution among racers now?

2012-10-18 Thread PATRICK MOORE
This news is pretty amazing if you remember what the bike and tire situation was like 10 to 15 years ago. Kudos to both of them! Patrick "my 650c Michelin Pro Race 3 23s were on sale, and now I know why (but they are acceptably cushy at 85/90--90/95 or so)" Moore, who will switcth to, say, 26s to