Just a semi-related observation:
One of the things I noticed the other day I'd fired up the MapMyRide
app, which used to just have bike/run/walk, etc then later it added
road bike, and mountain bike.
So my surprise was, it had multiple categories: Road Cycling, Mountain
Bike,
how much do you wanna bet? The '92 Trek 790 Hybrid came standard with 40
mm tires. I rode an early 80's Univega Gran Rally ( road bike) that had
Nitto rando bars and 32mm tires in the early '80's. There have always
been road oriented bikes with fatter tires. Time to take off the rose
I like my glasses!
On Monday, October 20, 2014 8:55:34 AM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote:
how much do you wanna bet? The '92 Trek 790 Hybrid came standard with 40
mm tires. I rode an early 80's Univega Gran Rally ( road bike) that had
Nitto rando bars and 32mm tires in the early '80's.
Totally agree with that observation. But I wasn't biking in 1994, so am
unable to speak from experience there. Wonder how much the 29er concept
also influenced the bikes?
As to the QBP brands, I'm not sure. From what I have read, they are pretty
indepdent of each other. As in they don't all
A few months back I was reflecting on some of these things and Riv's
influence in a piece I wrote that some might find worth a read. It's kind
of amazing to think it's been so long since I first got my first Bstone and
then my late 90s era AllRounder. I've seen quite the evolution over the
years
Addison,
Love the post. I have one of the tee shirts in size large in pretty good/ great
shape if you are interested. Let me know if you are interested.
Chris
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as far as I know... the demi balloon tire resurgence started in Japan with
some die-hard French Cyclo-touring folks who got the Hetre made. Jan
imported them to the US and started riding that kind of bike. Certainly
Grant was an influence in parallel for fat tired bikes in today's market,
On 10/19/2014 03:08 PM, Mike Schiller wrote:
as far as I know... the demi balloon tire resurgence started in Japan
with some die-hard French Cyclo-touring folks who got the Hetre made.
Jan imported them to the US and started riding that kind of bike.
Certainly Grant was an influence in
I was referring to the road bike market not all bikes. That excludes
hybrids/touring/cross/MTB bikes. That was what the original comment David
made referenced.
~mike
On Sunday, October 19, 2014 12:55:34 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
On 10/19/2014 03:08 PM, Mike Schiller wrote:
Surely Shirley rides a Surly through the slurry surreptitiously. (But we'll
never know because she's so good!) Grin.
With abandon,
Patrick
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No, didn't want to make it sound like Grant invented or even re-invented
the idea. But I think the *acceptance* of large tires on road bikes is
hugely a result of pushes he (and others!) made over the last 20 years. The
folks that run 42mm as their *narrow* tires aren't representative of the
I bet the tires size on all bikes has grown over the last 20 years. Hybrids
previously had 30mm tires, now have 35 or 40. Even MTB widths have grown
with the advent of fat bikes. Those obviously aren't related to Rivendell,
but I do believe that the acceptance of fatter tires across the board has
I agree with Steve P about the idea of being associated with a brand persona.
I'm not really sure that Surly's current marketing is all that crazy though, is
it? What I've seen is mostly touting their products' technical attributes and
capabilities. Maybe it's perceived as more abrasive than it
If I like the clem after a test ride I'll deal with the stigma :p
On Friday, October 17, 2014 1:28:35 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
And yet, if a company's advertising/perceived attitude is strong enough,
bystanders will associate anyone displaying or using one of their
products with
You can always remove decals...
What kind of bike is that?
Steel
?
Just in case some folks didn't know, Surly is a brand (like Salsa now,
among others) owned by QBP (Quality Bicycle Products) which is the largest
wholesaler of bike parts accessories within the US. That means that if
exactly Jim, Surly (and Salsa) is bringing steel bikes to mainstream bike
shops - steel bikes that are something more than 3-speed cruisers.
On Saturday, October 18, 2014 11:24:40 AM UTC-5, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
You can always remove decals...
What kind of bike is that?
Steel
?
IMO it's a boon that a huge company like QBP is financially backing a group
like Surly...not all can or want to support the mom pop companies, sometimes
I just don't want to pay the premium. Not everyone wants to purchase a
Mercedes, choosing rather to buy (insert brand) instead. I've had
On 10/17/2014 05:29 PM, Daniel D. wrote:
If I like the clem after a test ride I'll deal with the stigma :p
On Friday, October 17, 2014 1:28:35 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
And yet, if a company's advertising/perceived attitude is strong
enough,
bystanders will associate
A couple of days ago, someone asked what type of Dutch bike my Sam
Hillborne was. He was quite serious and shocked when I informed him the
bike was modern and designed in California.
This was actually the first time I'd been on a trip up to Grand Marais, MN
with a Rivendell. Previous trips had
I think the growth and acceptance of large tire sizes definitely happened
on Grant's/Rivendell's watch and he can humbly take the majority of credit
for it. He obviously didn't invent the concept of a demi-ballon tire, and
others were working in tandem (Jan, Surly, etc), but in modern mainstream
how can you tell what you want if they don't tell you what you want?! :)
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't buy things based on a company's advertising or perceived attitude.
The only thing that matters to me is is it what I really really want ?
! !
On 10/17/2014 03:09 PM, Garth wrote:
I don't buy things based on a company's advertising or perceived
attitude.
The only thing that matters to me is is it what I really really want
? ! !
And yet, if a company's advertising/perceived attitude is strong enough,
bystanders will associate
The moment I cater to what other people think of who/what I associate with
, I become their slave .
All my life I have associated with whomever and whatever I desire , not
without discord of course, but if I don't listen to and trust myself and my
desires I imprison myself to their wants
I fully support the things that Surly is doing. I even looked at an
XXL Ogre Disc the other day. I've never seen a frame with so many
fork eyelets, and eyelets in general. Can run 29x2.3 or
700Cx40-something with fenders. Very versatile. No, not as
attractive as a Rivendell, and probably
Yeah, I hate those Riv guys, they just make copies of vintage Raleigh
Internationals and old French bikes.
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Most bike problems have been solved by our inventive ancestors. Grant,
Jan, Sheldon and others have reminded us that almost every new product was
first in The Data Book
What led you to choose the Fatboy? Did you also consider other fatbikes?
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Sorry for prior post, should have taken my question off-group.
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Yeah, I
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