There's a simple matter of finite capital, as well. Riv is always struggling
with lack of capital when trying to bring products to market. I'd imagine they
have to be pretty selective about what sorts of products they'll focus on, and
I don't see a budget frame that fails to meet their
On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 07:14 -0800, eflayer wrote:
I am both impressed and dismayed with the degree of commitment to a
single point of view. Whatever works works. Thinking there was a
time when Grant thought he'd never leave Japan for Taiwan...and that
time came. Granted, he is still making
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 9:14 AM, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote:
I am both impressed and dismayed with the degree of commitment to a
single point of view. Whatever works works. Thinking there was a
time when Grant thought he'd never leave Japan for Taiwan...and that
time came. Granted,
On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 07:44 -0800, eflayer wrote:
Steve, This is not about me. It is an idea. Please don't take it as
an attack on everything you and Riv stand for. Just an idea.
I don't take it as an attack -- certainly not an attack on anything I
stand for. If adopted, it is an idea that
Bill Connell wrote, in part:
...I applaud Grant's stubborn aesthetic sense; he has a cohesive vision
for the company, and that strong visual identity is a huge asset...
Yeah, I think they'd stand to lose more than they gain if they wander too far
from that vision. I recall in an early
on 12/11/09 7:14 AM, eflayer at eddie.fla...@att.net wrote:
I am both impressed and dismayed with the degree of commitment to a
single point of view. Whatever works works. Thinking there was a
time when Grant thought he'd never leave Japan for Taiwan...and that
time came. Granted, he is
on 12/11/09 8:02 AM, eflayer at eddie.fla...@att.net wrote:
Grant is capable of changing though, isn't he. I think you are all
correct and he probably won't consider tig. But as I recall he both
never used to mention the weight of bikes, framesets and now look at
how he is
Grant wrote that his bikes were affordable by people with a job and bicycle
priorities. His goal was never to build bikes at every price point. The moves
from Waterford (and back again in a limited way) to Toyo to Maxway (I think
that is his Taiwanese supplier. They certainly supply many big
On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 08:02 -0800, CycloFiend wrote:
I think the inherent flaw is the idea of a gorgeous tig-welded bicycle
frame. Personally, I don't see anything wrong with that method of frame
building, but they've never struck me as particularly good looking.
I have a titanium Santana
On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 08:35 -0800, eflayer wrote:
Steve, well said. -- I am typing now in tiny tiny
print...said very quietly in a whisper...Grant could do it best.
In an equally small whisper, when it comes to TIG welded bikes and their
design, based on the current track record
on 12/11/09 8:29 AM, Steve Palincsar at palin...@his.com wrote:
On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 08:02 -0800, CycloFiend wrote:
I think the inherent flaw is the idea of a gorgeous tig-welded bicycle
frame. Personally, I don't see anything wrong with that method of frame
building, but they've never
on 12/11/09 8:29 AM, Steve Palincsar at palin...@his.com wrote:
On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 08:02 -0800, CycloFiend wrote:
I think the inherent flaw is the idea of a gorgeous tig-welded bicycle
frame. Personally, I don't see anything wrong with that method of frame
building, but they've never
On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 08:58 -0800, CycloFiend wrote:
The titanium Ibis frames were in that realm. I don't know if the different
nature of ti welding processes lends itself to that, or the knowledge that
there won't be paint covering the work. Or that they only let the
uber-skilled
On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 11:03 -0800, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote:
Threaded stems and headsets are pretty much obsolete on new-production
bikes, and the number of threaded stem/headset options is small and
getting smaller. There are a few holdouts, like Riv and some custom
shops, but I
There are still millions upon millions of bikes out there with
threaded headsets, many of them owned by people of limited means who
will need to fix them rather than buy a new bike. Ditto for bikes with
freewheels. That's why it's still possible to buy freewheels in this
age of cassettes
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 1:35 PM, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote:
Headtubes on BLT and BLTaiwans are short...
But it does look as if little old BG is sourcing his own upjutting
Salsa (old) quill stems.
Bet the BLTaiwans weigh a ton. Don't want a tank. Want an all around
700c. Let's
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Headtubes on BLT and BLTaiwans
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 1:35 PM, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote:
Headtubes on BLT and BLTaiwans are short...
But it does look as if little old BG is sourcing his own upjutting
Salsa (old) quill stems.
Bet the
On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 11:40 -0800, eflayer wrote:
ps, street bike with rear rack brazeons so I can carry my lunch in
stuff in a trunk bag, and put on bigger tires if I want to...but
lightweight and lively...as you would say.
I think you already own it, your Fuji touring.
--
You
I guess my thought on this is why would RBW want to drop into the Surly/Soma
price arena? GP has said many times he thinks Surly makes a great product.
As far as a TIG'ed Roadeo equivalent goes, I think it would cannibalize
Roadeo sales to some degree since it could be lighter and that is where
On Thu, 2009-12-10 at 14:13 -0800, eflayer wrote:
i'm all for supporting usa manufacturing, but the Sams look so great.
i think Grant could do something along the Roadeo line with
lightweight tigged tubes done in Taiwan, tall headtubes, threaded
forks, and a new line of steel open face quills
This topic is raised too often. The search function applies to conceptual
conversations, as well.
Thanks,
erik
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on 12/10/09 1:52 PM, eflayer at eddie.fla...@att.net wrote:
think about a bike that looks as great as an orange or green Sam, that
rides great, looks great, and cost 30% less.
Now, I thought that the Sam was a great riding, beautiful looking lugged
bicycle frame that cost 50% of a
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