[RBW] Re: quick Platrack report
Berthoud 50mm fenders Pasela Tourguard 700x37 Cheers, -br On Oct 2, 4:35 pm, Doug Van Cleve dvancl...@gmail.com wrote: Cool Bill :^) Those are Berthoud fenders, right? What tires and what size do you have on there? Thanks, Doug On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Bill Rhea billr...@yahoo.com wrote: Thanks Grant and everybody for your replies. I hear you - you just adapt to however your weight is placed on the bike that day and get on with your life As a kid I used to haul about 80 copies of the Chicago Tribune in one of those ginormous Wald front baskets on an old Schwinn ballooner, and I didn't think twice about it at the time. Esteban, here is a link to some photos of the QB / Platrack / Adam setup: http://picasaweb.google.com/Wheelsmith91/QuickbeamWithAMarkSPlatrack# Originally I was going to put the PR on my grocery hauler / touring bike, which my trusty albatross bar'd, basketed X0-1. Then I'd get a large Wald on the front to match the one on the rear for those mega grocery runs However, my QB is my daily commuter and I just wanted to play around a bit by switching my normal front / rear bag setup. Rides great either way! I'm thinking I'll keep the PR on the QB for now and transfer it to the X0-1 for tours only. -br On Oct 1, 9:06 am, grant grant...@gmail.com wrote: Jay here rides almost entirely with a load up front (on Platrackprototype with big basket and ShopSack prototype with lots in it), no problem. On campouts, three to four campers will have heavy loads up there, sometimes 60 percent front, 40 rear; and sometimes the other way around. I have no preference and no strong opinions about loading a bike. I've done it so many ways so differently so many times, and it's just a matter of getting in sync with the bike loaded this way or that, and it takes (seems to take me) no time at all. Last week I was riding home with the PR and SLICKERSACK with heavy stuff in it-laptop, food, cameras, some tools. You adapt to the weight shift in fifty yards, and then it's normal. I think it's on of those don't overthinkit things, but that's just me. G On Sep 30, 3:08 pm, Bill Rhea billr...@yahoo.com wrote: I just received one of the new Platracks the other day, and have it hooked up on my 64cm QB. My intention was to use it specifically for touring, but am intrigued by the new Slicker sack. So I've checked to see what it feels like to have my normal commute load (laptop, clothes, lunch) on the front rather than the back to see how it rides before throwing down the money. Installation was a breeze, though I have a front BM generator headlight for which I fabricated a new bracket so that it would not sit higher than the rack (and get in the way of big loads). It turns out that my Baggins Adam bag fits on the Platrack quite securely - you can loop the seatpost strap over the hoop, run the main compartment straps over the front of the rack, and even tuck the side compartment buckles under the sides. That setup does not sway one tiny bit, but it's not as quick to take on and off. The NS Lil' Loafer goes on the rear Nitto bag support. Riding with the weight up front feels different, but not in a bad way. However, I've really gotten used to the convenience of the Lil Loafer up front - so easy to get at while pedaling. I like how quick and easy the Slicker appears to go on and off, and the handle is a plus, but my setup pre-Flatrack has worked great for years w/o complaints. I guess I'm just a sucker for nice bicycle luggage :-) Anybody have any thoughts they'd want to share about carrying weight up front vs. on the rear? Any other Platrack feedback? -br --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: FS X0-1
is it free? On Sep 30, 3:29 pm, kaiser...@aol.com wrote: I am thinning out the herd. Sold my old Rivendell a couple of weeks ago and the next to go will be my X0-1. ? It is the large size--about a 59. It has about 2500 miles on it. It was purchased direct from Grant/Bridgestone when Grant was closing up Bridgestone USA and was offering some of unsold bikes to the BOB's--I think in about 1995. ?It has almost new cranks as I put the triple crank on after most of the miles had been ridden. ? I am in Fresno, Ca. Nick 001_1.JPG 1949KViewDownload --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: FS X0-1
Awesome, I love free bikes! On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 7:53 AM, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: is it free? On Sep 30, 3:29 pm, kaiser...@aol.com wrote: I am thinning out the herd. Sold my old Rivendell a couple of weeks ago and the next to go will be my X0-1. ? It is the large size--about a 59. It has about 2500 miles on it. It was purchased direct from Grant/Bridgestone when Grant was closing up Bridgestone USA and was offering some of unsold bikes to the BOB's--I think in about 1995. ?It has almost new cranks as I put the triple crank on after most of the miles had been ridden. ? I am in Fresno, Ca. Nick 001_1.JPG 1949KViewDownload -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Installing Tioga Studs on Grip King Pedals
I have an extra set of Tioga grip studs and I just bought some Grip King Pedals, and I was wondering if any of you all know what tools/ procedures are necessary to get the studs to thread into the GK holes. I saw a hand - drill mentioned on RBW's website, but I do not know what that is. So basically, has anybody on here installed these and if so could you please give a brief description of how to do it. I'm sure it's simple, but clarification would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: FS X0-1
Already sold. This post was delayed in the system before it appeared on the list. Nick -Original Message- From: kaiser...@aol.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, Sep 30, 2009 3:29 pm Subject: [RBW] FS X0-1 I am thinning out the herd. Sold my old Rivendell a couple of weeks ago and the next to go will be my X0-1. ? It is the large size--about a 59. It has about 2500 miles on it. It was purchased direct from Grant/Bridgestone when Grant was closing up Bridgestone USA and was offering some of unsold bikes to the BOB's--I think in about 1995. ?It has almost new cranks as I put the triple crank on after most of the miles had been ridden. ? I am in Fresno, Ca. Nick --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Cork shoes to match your cork grips
That's what I have been telling people. Maybe one day. On Oct 1, 6:42 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: I sometimes wonder if someone could use the 'vegetan micro' material they have to make a vegan brooks. -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] long day ride out of new york city?
Hi Anyone on here planning on a longish day ride out of NYC before it gets cold? I'm interested in riding up to Blue Mountain in Peekskill or maybe putting the bikes on the train to get out of the city then riding up... generally i'd like to ride north of the city in some foothills...see a little trail riding and would be interested if there is a smallish group interested in something similar http://www.westchestergov.com/parks/brochures/Trailways/BlueMTnTrailway.htm --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] 650B for the long haul?
I have a friend who is seriously considering purchasing a Hillborne for his next bike. His only hesitation is committing to 650B given the fact that he tends to hang on to bikes for a long time. His specific concern is the availability of tires,tubes,wheels several years from now. I know there are a lot of folks here who ride and love 650B. What would you say to him to allay his fears? Thanks! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: 650B for the long haul?
I think a good question for him to answer for himself is how he currently gets parts for his bikes. If he uses mail-order, there will always be a way to get 650b consumables. If he currently gets off the shelf parts from his LBS, he may not comfortable w/ the 650b size. Another alternative is to buy horde, which behavior I may or may not resemble. :-) On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 10:35 AM, bradgantt bga...@dentsuamerica.com wrote: I have a friend who is seriously considering purchasing a Hillborne for his next bike. His only hesitation is committing to 650B given the fact that he tends to hang on to bikes for a long time. His specific concern is the availability of tires,tubes,wheels several years from now. I know there are a lot of folks here who ride and love 650B. What would you say to him to allay his fears? Thanks! -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: 650B for the long haul?
Good rubber tires kept in a cool dry place will remain good as new for decades. If he is real worried all the manufacturers making these tires will stop, I suggest buying 3 or 4 sets and storing them somewhere. A good set of tires well maintained should last you at least 3 or 4 years (my eldest sister, admittedly eccentric, used the same pair of tires that came new on her '79 Raleigh until just this Spring!). If he cannot get new 650Bs 15 years from now, perhaps the bike will be old enough he does not mind converting it to a 26 incher. On Oct 3, 12:35 pm, bradgantt bga...@dentsuamerica.com wrote: I have a friend who is seriously considering purchasing a Hillborne for his next bike. His only hesitation is committing to 650B given the fact that he tends to hang on to bikes for a long time. His specific concern is the availability of tires,tubes,wheels several years from now. I know there are a lot of folks here who ride and love 650B. What would you say to him to allay his fears? Thanks! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: 650B for the long haul?
He could always get an extra set of rims to hold onto and an extra set of those Schwalbe tires like Rivendell sells, they'll last years. I ride bigger bikes so all mine are 700c but if I rode smaller bikes I wouldn't hesitate to go for 650b. On Oct 3, 10:35 am, bradgantt bga...@dentsuamerica.com wrote: I have a friend who is seriously considering purchasing a Hillborne for his next bike. His only hesitation is committing to 650B given the fact that he tends to hang on to bikes for a long time. His specific concern is the availability of tires,tubes,wheels several years from now. I know there are a lot of folks here who ride and love 650B. What would you say to him to allay his fears? Thanks! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Winter Riding Clothing
Hi all. I'm looking to improve my winter wardrobe this year. I'm specifically looking for a jacket and pants that work well for riding - somewhat trim, zippers for ventilation etc. I live in northern Michigan (the home of miserable winters) so, realistically, I'll park the bike when it hits around 20 degrees and/or the snow and ice become glacial. I'm willing to spend some bucks on this stuff. I understand layering - I'm mostly interested in outerwear. I'll do the research - just point me in a direction for stuff that has worked for you. Thanks in advance for any help or suggestions, Mike --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Winter Riding Clothing
I suggest a Showers Pass rain jacket with some wool layers underneath. Their jackets are well ventilated if you want them to be, but they'll also keep all the wind out and get quite warm inside if you want that. The wool layers will help keep you dry in case you sweat inside the jacket. --Eric campyonly...@me.com www.campyonly.com www.wheelsnorth.org On Oct 3, 2009, at 1:30 PM, geezer wrote: Hi all. I'm looking to improve my winter wardrobe this year. I'm specifically looking for a jacket and pants that work well for riding - somewhat trim, zippers for ventilation etc. I live in northern Michigan (the home of miserable winters) so, realistically, I'll park the bike when it hits around 20 degrees and/or the snow and ice become glacial. I'm willing to spend some bucks on this stuff. I understand layering - I'm mostly interested in outerwear. I'll do the research - just point me in a direction for stuff that has worked for you. Thanks in advance for any help or suggestions, Mike --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: 650B for the long haul?
I agree- at the very least, your friend will be able to mail order 650b rims/tires etc. when needed. The 650b wheel size has been around for the better part of a century, so I wouldn't worry too much about it vanishing. Right now especially, it is gaining popularity after a period of (relative) obscurity. On Oct 3, 4:13 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: He could always get an extra set of rims to hold onto and an extra set of those Schwalbe tires like Rivendell sells, they'll last years. I ride bigger bikes so all mine are 700c but if I rode smaller bikes I wouldn't hesitate to go for 650b. On Oct 3, 10:35 am, bradgantt bga...@dentsuamerica.com wrote: I have a friend who is seriously considering purchasing a Hillborne for his next bike. His only hesitation is committing to 650B given the fact that he tends to hang on to bikes for a long time. His specific concern is the availability of tires,tubes,wheels several years from now. I know there are a lot of folks here who ride and love 650B. What would you say to him to allay his fears? Thanks! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: 650B for the long haul?
Considering that the 650B is not a new wheel or tire size and has been around much longer than the 26inch, I would say he has nothing to worry about. On Oct 3, 1:35 pm, bradgantt bga...@dentsuamerica.com wrote: I have a friend who is seriously considering purchasing a Hillborne for his next bike. His only hesitation is committing to 650B given the fact that he tends to hang on to bikes for a long time. His specific concern is the availability of tires,tubes,wheels several years from now. I know there are a lot of folks here who ride and love 650B. What would you say to him to allay his fears? Thanks! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: 650B for the long haul?
Sign him on to the 650B list From: bradgantt bga...@dentsuamerica.com Subject: [RBW] 650B for the long haul? I know there are a lot of folks here who ride and love 650B. What would you say to him to allay his fears? Thanks! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: long day ride out of new york city?
I'm in! Tomorrow, I'm taking the train to Bronxville, then riding back to the city. I think it's about a 2 hour ride. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] 8-Speed Quickbeam
Just completed updating my Quickbeam with an 8-speed Sturmey-Archer hub. Photos are here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176...@n03/sets/72157622384321375/ You'll see that I used a J-Tek bar-end shifter in place of the standard gripshifter that comes with the hub. It works perfectly, and makes for a much cleaner installation, IMHO. Thanks to Jim at Hiawatha Cyclery, who sold me the hub and shifter. He even included in the inline barrel adjuster that sits just upstream of the hub (something I wouldn't have thought of). I have the chain running on 32T inner ring on the QB's crankset. The chainline is much straighter than on the 40T large ring, and the range of gears is better (for me). The hub's lowest gear is direct drive-- with the stock 25T cog, that gives me about 34 gear inches. Gears 2-8 multiply the low gear--top end is 104 gear inches. (By comparison, low/high on the 40T ring would be 43/131. The top gear there would really be necessary only on downhills of 30mph or more; I prefer a more usable range and a lower low gear.) Gear calcs from Sheldon Brown's online calculator (http://sheldonbrown.com/gears/internal.html ): For 700 X 28 / 28-622 tire with 170 mm cranks and 25 tooth sprocket 40 / 25 25.0 % 32 / 25 3.05130.6 104.5 28.2 % 2.38101.9 81.5 13.3 % 2.1 89.971.9 12.9 % 1.8679.663.7 13.4 % 1.6470.256.2 13.1 % 1.4562.149.7 13.3 % 1.2854.843.8 28.0 % 1 42.834.3 Pros (so far): --Simple and easy to shift --Impervious to weather --Singlespeed chains are cheap and easy to replace --Legendary Sturmey-Archer reliability --Good range of gears --Makes cool ticking noises that change depending on what gear you're in. Cons (so far): --Heavy. Hub alone is 4 pounds. Built wheel is close to five. --Impossible to fix on the road if something goes wrong inside the hub. I'm interested in any other experiences that members of this list have with Sturmey-Archer hubs. --Eric www.wheelsnorth.org www.campyonly.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: 650B for the long haul?
On Oct 3, 2009, at 12:35 PM, bradgantt wrote: I have a friend who is seriously considering purchasing a Hillborne for his next bike. His only hesitation is committing to 650B given the fact that he tends to hang on to bikes for a long time. His specific concern is the availability of tires,tubes,wheels several years from now. I know there are a lot of folks here who ride and love 650B. What would you say to him to allay his fears? Thanks! That the future of 650B is brighter than the future of tubulars. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Cork shoes to match your cork grips
On Oct 3, 2009, at 1:42 PM, JL wrote: On Oct 1, 6:42 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: I sometimes wonder if someone could use the 'vegetan micro' material they have to make a vegan brooks. That's what I have been telling people. Maybe one day. Well, there is this, although most of us would likely think it too narrow: http://www.saddleco.com/flowmain.html I saw a half dozen of these at PBP in 2003. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Winter Riding Clothing
On Oct 3, 2009, at 3:30 PM, geezer wrote: Hi all. I'm looking to improve my winter wardrobe this year. I'm specifically looking for a jacket and pants that work well for riding - somewhat trim, zippers for ventilation etc. I live in northern Michigan (the home of miserable winters) so, realistically, I'll park the bike when it hits around 20 degrees and/or the snow and ice become glacial. I'm willing to spend some bucks on this stuff. I understand layering - I'm mostly interested in outerwear. I'll do the research - just point me in a direction for stuff that has worked for you. Thanks in advance for any help or suggestions, Are you looking for a shell type layer or something more, well, wooly? For jacket type things, I have a Showers Pass Elite rain jacket which is also a very good shell layer for dry cold weather thanks to its excellent ventilation. And I have a very light weight nylon jacket which appeared to be aimed at cross-country skiing (scratch and dent sale at REI, so the original tags were missing). This works surprisingly well with just a wool jersey into the mid to low 40s and with a long sleeve wool jersey into the mid to upper 30s. LIttle ventilation but it breathes fairly well (I dislike using the term breathes for an inanimate object, but if I try something like osmotes that isn't any better and has to be explained anyway). Tomorrow morning the missus and I are going the Gandhi Dancer ride on the Gandy Dancer trail in Wisconsin, celebrating Gandhi's birthday. Starting temps should be around 35F or so. Sheesh. So I'll get to try out my layers earlier than usual. Too bad the Mahatma wasn't born in August... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Winter Riding Clothing
On Oct 3, 1:30 pm, geezer bair.m...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. I'm looking to improve my winter wardrobe this year... I recently replaced my 11-year-old Burley Rapid Rider with a Showers Pass Touring Jacket. So far I am pretty happy with it; lots of ventilation if you want, or close everything up and stay pretty warm. (Not a concern for most on this list but this model comes in Womens' Specific sizing, which made it easier for me to invest the money and be assured of a decent fit.) Underneath I layer everything from a Pendleton shirt to heavy wool sweater. For really cold-weather riding I'll use a Wooly Warm wool tee as a base layer and go from there. Beth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Cork shoes to match your cork grips
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote: On Oct 3, 2009, at 1:42 PM, JL wrote: On Oct 1, 6:42 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: I sometimes wonder if someone could use the 'vegetan micro' material they have to make a vegan brooks. That's what I have been telling people. Maybe one day. Well, there is this, although most of us would likely think it too narrow: http://www.saddleco.com/flowmain.html I saw a half dozen of these at PBP in 2003. And yet: http://www.saddleco.com/index.html saddleco is no more :( -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: 650B for the long haul?
Another one who feels that 650B will probably be around for a long time. My caveat - if he rides in winter and uses studded tires, there may be a problem. However, that is probably a discussion for a different list at a different time. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Oct 3, 12:35�pm, bradgantt bga...@dentsuamerica.com wrote: I have a friend who is seriously considering purchasing a Hillborne for his next bike. His only hesitation is committing to 650B given the fact that he tends to hang on to bikes for a long time. His specific concern is the availability of tires,tubes,wheels several years from now. I know there are a lot of folks here who ride and love 650B. What would you say to him to allay his fears? Thanks! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Winter Riding Clothing
I usually use a smartwool long sleeve shirt with a Showers Pass Touring jacket. This is good down to temps of about zero Fahrenheit on my five mile commute. On my head I can't say enough good things about my Walz wool cap with earflaps. Under my helmet no problems done to zero. Dan Abelson St. Paul, MN On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 3:30 PM, geezer bair.m...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. I'm looking to improve my winter wardrobe this year. I'm specifically looking for a jacket and pants that work well for riding - somewhat trim, zippers for ventilation etc. I live in northern Michigan (the home of miserable winters) so, realistically, I'll park the bike when it hits around 20 degrees and/or the snow and ice become glacial. I'm willing to spend some bucks on this stuff. I understand layering - I'm mostly interested in outerwear. I'll do the research - just point me in a direction for stuff that has worked for you. Thanks in advance for any help or suggestions, Mike --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Winter Riding Clothing
I want to second the Foxwear recommendation. Lou's stuff can't be beat for the outer layer. He also sells some fleece type stuff but I haven't tried that. He will work with you until he gets you exactly what you want. George Strickler New Orleans On Oct 3, 8:27 pm, Dan Abelson d...@abelsons.net wrote: I usually use a smartwool long sleeve shirt with a Showers Pass Touring jacket. This is good down to temps of about zero Fahrenheit on my five mile commute. On my head I can't say enough good things about my Walz wool cap with earflaps. Under my helmet no problems done to zero. Dan Abelson St. Paul, MN On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 3:30 PM, geezer bair.m...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. I'm looking to improve my winter wardrobe this year. I'm specifically looking for a jacket and pants that work well for riding - somewhat trim, zippers for ventilation etc. I live in northern Michigan (the home of miserable winters) so, realistically, I'll park the bike when it hits around 20 degrees and/or the snow and ice become glacial. I'm willing to spend some bucks on this stuff. I understand layering - I'm mostly interested in outerwear. I'll do the research - just point me in a direction for stuff that has worked for you. Thanks in advance for any help or suggestions, Mike --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Winter Riding Clothing
OK I am going to swim against the current here and say plastics are great outdoor clothing. This statement is coming from a 53 yr old retrogrouch who has played in the mountains and deserts his entire life. I love my wool sweaters and socks and undershirts. But when it gets seriously hot or cold, I go plastic (you know...synthetics like poly-pro). My main fitness activity in the winter is cross country skiing at above 10,000 ft here in western Colorado. When it is below say 20 degrees and the wind is blowing, I may have wool next to the skin, but synthetics on the outside. Kent Peterson from the Seattle area knows more than me: http://kentsbike.blogspot.com/2006/06/good-gear-for-bad-times.html So on a cold windy day in the snow, here is what I will typically have on: On top I like a plastic fishnet undershirt http://www.reliableracing.com/detail.cfm?edp=10133932 with a thin wool (Smartwool, Ibex, Icebreaker) layer on top of that, then either an XCSporthill top or if its really cold but still dry the very versatil Marmot Windshirt http://www.backcountry.com/outdoorgear/Marmot-Original-DriClime-Windshirt-Mens/MAR0657M.html The Showers Pass rain jacket is very nice, but is heavy, bulky, very expensive and hot in mild weather. A nice inexpensive alternative is the O2 jacket http://www.touringcyclist.com/clothing/model_13378.html On bottom, the XCSporthill pant has an incredible comfort range http://www.milemarkersports.com/product.php?TypeID=2100gender=m Add thin wool underwear underneath for very cold conditions, a thin nylon shell over the top for cool very wet conditions or the Rainlegs that Kent recommends (and don't forget a nylon lined underwear to protect the boyz). For my head while cycling, I use the rain cover for my Bell Metro helmet http://tinyurl.com/yba24rp along with Earbags http://www.earbags.com/ and a wool balaclava for the really cold days. For skiing I am in a wool hat with either earbags or a balaclava underneath. Gloves/Mitts are very individual. Wool socks keep my feet happy; not to tight. On Oct 3, 2:30 pm, geezer bair.m...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. I'm looking to improve my winter wardrobe this year. I'm specifically looking for a jacket and pants that work well for riding - somewhat trim, zippers for ventilation etc. I live in northern Michigan (the home of miserable winters) so, realistically, I'll park the bike when it hits around 20 degrees and/or the snow and ice become glacial. I'm willing to spend some bucks on this stuff. I understand layering - I'm mostly interested in outerwear. I'll do the research - just point me in a direction for stuff that has worked for you. Thanks in advance for any help or suggestions, Mike --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: 650B for the long haul?
well, there is at least the 650b Nokian A10 around, perhaps more studded tires on the way. On Oct 3, 5:58 pm, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Another one who feels that 650B will probably be around for a long time. My caveat - if he rides in winter and uses studded tires, there may be a problem. However, that is probably a discussion for a different list at a different time. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Oct 3, 12:35 pm, bradgantt bga...@dentsuamerica.com wrote: I have a friend who is seriously considering purchasing a Hillborne for his next bike. His only hesitation is committing to 650B given the fact that he tends to hang on to bikes for a long time. His specific concern is the availability of tires,tubes,wheels several years from now. I know there are a lot of folks here who ride and love 650B. What would you say to him to allay his fears? Thanks! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: 650B for the long haul?
Or make your own! On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 6:44 PM, JL subfas...@gmail.com wrote: well, there is at least the 650b Nokian A10 around, perhaps more studded tires on the way. On Oct 3, 5:58 pm, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Another one who feels that 650B will probably be around for a long time. My caveat - if he rides in winter and uses studded tires, there may be a problem. However, that is probably a discussion for a different list at a different time. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Oct 3, 12:35 pm, bradgantt bga...@dentsuamerica.com wrote: I have a friend who is seriously considering purchasing a Hillborne for his next bike. His only hesitation is committing to 650B given the fact that he tends to hang on to bikes for a long time. His specific concern is the availability of tires,tubes,wheels several years from now. I know there are a lot of folks here who ride and love 650B. What would you say to him to allay his fears? Thanks! -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Winter Riding Clothing
I would like to add, the XCSporthill pants are expensive at $105. But once you own a pair, and after years of use they begin to wear and thin, you will gladly pay it again to replace them. They are indespensible active winter weather gear for me for the last 13 years. I am on pair number 2 (older and thinner) and 3 (newer and more robust). On Oct 3, 7:40 pm, Mojo gjtra...@yahoo.com wrote: OK I am going to swim against the current here and say plastics are great outdoor clothing. This statement is coming from a 53 yr old retrogrouch who has played in the mountains and deserts his entire life. I love my wool sweaters and socks and undershirts. But when it gets seriously hot or cold, I go plastic (you know...synthetics like poly-pro). My main fitness activity in the winter is cross country skiing at above 10,000 ft here in western Colorado. When it is below say 20 degrees and the wind is blowing, I may have wool next to the skin, but synthetics on the outside. Kent Peterson from the Seattle area knows more than me:http://kentsbike.blogspot.com/2006/06/good-gear-for-bad-times.html So on a cold windy day in the snow, here is what I will typically have on: On top I like a plastic fishnet undershirt http://www.reliableracing.com/detail.cfm?edp=10133932 with a thin wool (Smartwool, Ibex, Icebreaker) layer on top of that, then either an XCSporthill top or if its really cold but still dry the very versatil Marmot Windshirthttp://www.backcountry.com/outdoorgear/Marmot-Original-DriClime-Winds... The Showers Pass rain jacket is very nice, but is heavy, bulky, very expensive and hot in mild weather. A nice inexpensive alternative is the O2 jacket http://www.touringcyclist.com/clothing/model_13378.html On bottom, the XCSporthill pant has an incredible comfort rangehttp://www.milemarkersports.com/product.php?TypeID=2100gender=m Add thin wool underwear underneath for very cold conditions, a thin nylon shell over the top for cool very wet conditions or the Rainlegs that Kent recommends (and don't forget a nylon lined underwear to protect the boyz). For my head while cycling, I use the rain cover for my Bell Metro helmethttp://tinyurl.com/yba24rpalong with Earbagshttp://www.earbags.com/ and a wool balaclava for the really cold days. For skiing I am in a wool hat with either earbags or a balaclava underneath. Gloves/Mitts are very individual. Wool socks keep my feet happy; not to tight. On Oct 3, 2:30 pm, geezer bair.m...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. I'm looking to improve my winter wardrobe this year. I'm specifically looking for a jacket and pants that work well for riding - somewhat trim, zippers for ventilation etc. I live in northern Michigan (the home of miserable winters) so, realistically, I'll park the bike when it hits around 20 degrees and/or the snow and ice become glacial. I'm willing to spend some bucks on this stuff. I understand layering - I'm mostly interested in outerwear. I'll do the research - just point me in a direction for stuff that has worked for you. Thanks in advance for any help or suggestions, Mike- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Anyone have a right Silver shifter?
I munged mine up by putting in a Campy (I think) cable and it got stuck. Got a little drill-happy trying to remove it and, well, here I am. Thanks! Ryan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Winter Riding Clothing
Layers of wool, thin ones, for me, too. Two are good down to 40, add an Ibex wool/syntho blend vest down to freezing, add another layer of wool under the vest down to about 20 or a bit below, if it isn't too windy. Legs: wool knickers with double cloth in front, and Rick's socks, down to about freezing, then my ancient and still very wearable heavy Hind windfront tights, one of my best garment purchases ever. Head: Target mostly-wool imitation Peru hat with flaps that tie under the chin down to about freezing; below that, add a thin balaclava underneath. Hands: wool glove liners down to about 40, lighter padded mitts down to freezing, then some heavy duty padded mitts with, if needed, the wool liners, down to just below 20. Outdoor Research nylon sheaths over heavy boiled wool mittens are also good, but the nylon makes it very awkward to do anything except grab the handlebar. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: 8-Speed Quickbeam
Very cool! I have been considering doing this too. Did you have to re-space the rear dropouts? On Oct 3, 5:45 pm, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote: Just completed updating my Quickbeam with an 8-speed Sturmey-Archer hub. Photos are here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176...@n03/sets/72157622384321375/ You'll see that I used a J-Tek bar-end shifter in place of the standard gripshifter that comes with the hub. It works perfectly, and makes for a much cleaner installation, IMHO. Thanks to Jim at Hiawatha Cyclery, who sold me the hub and shifter. He even included in the inline barrel adjuster that sits just upstream of the hub (something I wouldn't have thought of). I have the chain running on 32T inner ring on the QB's crankset. The chainline is much straighter than on the 40T large ring, and the range of gears is better (for me). The hub's lowest gear is direct drive-- with the stock 25T cog, that gives me about 34 gear inches. Gears 2-8 multiply the low gear--top end is 104 gear inches. (By comparison, low/high on the 40T ring would be 43/131. The top gear there would really be necessary only on downhills of 30mph or more; I prefer a more usable range and a lower low gear.) Gear calcs from Sheldon Brown's online calculator (http://sheldonbrown.com/gears/internal.html ): For 700 X 28 / 28-622 tire with 170 mm cranks and 25 tooth sprocket 40 / 25 25.0 % 32 / 25 3.05 130.6 104.5 28.2 % 2.38 101.9 81.5 13.3 % 2.1 89.9 71.9 12.9 % 1.86 79.6 63.7 13.4 % 1.64 70.2 56.2 13.1 % 1.45 62.1 49.7 13.3 % 1.28 54.8 43.8 28.0 % 1 42.8 34.3 Pros (so far): --Simple and easy to shift --Impervious to weather --Singlespeed chains are cheap and easy to replace --Legendary Sturmey-Archer reliability --Good range of gears --Makes cool ticking noises that change depending on what gear you're in. Cons (so far): --Heavy. Hub alone is 4 pounds. Built wheel is close to five. --Impossible to fix on the road if something goes wrong inside the hub. I'm interested in any other experiences that members of this list have with Sturmey-Archer hubs. --Ericwww.wheelsnorth.orgwww.campyonly.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: 8-Speed Quickbeam
No respacing needed. The Sturmey-Archer hub starts at 115mm and goes up to 135-just add more locknuts. It fits perfectly in the QB's 120mm fork ends. --Eric campyonly...@me.com www.campyonly.com www.wheelsnorth.org On Oct 3, 2009, at 8:35 PM, Kelly wrote: Very cool! I have been considering doing this too. Did you have to re-space the rear dropouts? On Oct 3, 5:45 pm, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote: Just completed updating my Quickbeam with an 8-speed Sturmey-Archer hub. Photos are here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176...@n03/sets/72157622384321375/ You'll see that I used a J-Tek bar-end shifter in place of the standard gripshifter that comes with the hub. It works perfectly, and makes for a much cleaner installation, IMHO. Thanks to Jim at Hiawatha Cyclery, who sold me the hub and shifter. He even included in the inline barrel adjuster that sits just upstream of the hub (something I wouldn't have thought of). I have the chain running on 32T inner ring on the QB's crankset. The chainline is much straighter than on the 40T large ring, and the range of gears is better (for me). The hub's lowest gear is direct drive-- with the stock 25T cog, that gives me about 34 gear inches. Gears 2-8 multiply the low gear--top end is 104 gear inches. (By comparison, low/high on the 40T ring would be 43/131. The top gear there would really be necessary only on downhills of 30mph or more; I prefer a more usable range and a lower low gear.) Gear calcs from Sheldon Brown's online calculator (http://sheldonbrown.com/gears/internal.html ): For 700 X 28 / 28-622 tire with 170 mm cranks and 25 tooth sprocket 40 / 25 25.0 % 32 / 25 3.05130.6 104.5 28.2 % 2.38101.9 81.5 13.3 % 2.1 89.971.9 12.9 % 1.8679.663.7 13.4 % 1.6470.256.2 13.1 % 1.4562.149.7 13.3 % 1.2854.843.8 28.0 % 1 42.834.3 Pros (so far): --Simple and easy to shift --Impervious to weather --Singlespeed chains are cheap and easy to replace --Legendary Sturmey-Archer reliability --Good range of gears --Makes cool ticking noises that change depending on what gear you're in. Cons (so far): --Heavy. Hub alone is 4 pounds. Built wheel is close to five. --Impossible to fix on the road if something goes wrong inside the hub. I'm interested in any other experiences that members of this list have with Sturmey-Archer hubs. --Ericwww.wheelsnorth.orgwww.campyonly.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Winter Riding Clothing
Hi Mike, Wool...and for when it gets nasty, a jacket from these folks: http://www.bicycleclothing.com/Waterproof-Breathable-Rain-Jackets.html I've got one and like it so much I even use it as my primary rain jacket when I'm not riding. Good Luck! lyle f bogart dpt tacoma, wa On Oct 3, 1:30 pm, geezer bair.m...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. I'm looking to improve my winter wardrobe this year. I'm specifically looking for a jacket and pants that work well for riding - somewhat trim, zippers for ventilation etc. I live in northern Michigan (the home of miserable winters) so, realistically, I'll park the bike when it hits around 20 degrees and/or the snow and ice become glacial. I'm willing to spend some bucks on this stuff. I understand layering - I'm mostly interested in outerwear. I'll do the research - just point me in a direction for stuff that has worked for you. Thanks in advance for any help or suggestions, Mike --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
