[RBW] Re: chain line and the Quickbeam

2014-10-26 Thread Kainalu
Well worth the effort then, and you're never at a loss for torque. The Phil hub 
is freewheel/fixed? Or freewheel/freewheel? I was thinking fixed would be fun 
in the snow and ice but the suzie's lacking the fixed locking side. Might have 
to find a relatively cheap fixie rear wheel to try it out, which are 
fortunately never in short supply here in Brooklyn. 
Much obliged
-Kai

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[RBW] Re: Big-big better than small-small?

2014-10-26 Thread Garth

 Yes  ,  Patrick :)  It's no accident I see so many pro racers riding the 
big rings up hills as much as they can :.

http://cyclingtips.com.au/2010/04/the-big-ring-mechanical-or-psychological-advantage/

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[RBW] Re: chain line and the Quickbeam

2014-10-26 Thread Deacon Patrick
It's free/free, and I have a 22t free on the flip side. I was told I could 
put on a fixed gear and it would work fine so long as I didn't do 
aggressive backpedaling to brake (since I have brakes) -- so that's my plan 
for someday when I try it out. But I definitely like having the freewheel 
for single track, dodging rocks and roots and steep trough-trail sections.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Road Standard vs. Rambouillet?

2014-10-26 Thread Bruce Herbitter
Is the top tube level or sloped?

On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 1:23 PM, rw1911 rw1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks.  Unfortunately the frame is not in my possession and won't be
 accessible for a while.  Here's a shot of the non-extended head tube also
 showing the old style lugs...



 On Thursday, October 23, 2014 6:42:55 PM UTC-4, Fullylugged wrote:

 Your date code on the BB shell will tell you when your bike was made.
 Level TT?  Whose dropouts?

 On Wednesday, October 22, 2014, rw1911 rw1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks!  That's exactly what I was hoping for - something a little more
 sporty and lively.

 Question regarding your 2nd post:  Do you know more about the specific
 differences between the earlier Road and the later Road Standard?
 Cyclofiend has info on the Road Standard, but haven't been able to find
 anything on the earlier Road. The bike I'm looking at is 753/531 with
 Sachs(?) lugs, but it does not have an extended head tube leading me to
 believe it's an earlier Road.


 On Monday, October 20, 2014 8:06:13 PM UTC-4, Fullylugged wrote:

 I have both bikes. The Road is a much quicker steering bike than the
 Ram, which tracks like it's on rails. The Road is made from Reynolds 753
 with 531 forks which gives it a noticeably livlier ride than than the Ram,
 which is very smooth and comfortable. I love them both, but these days put
 more time on the Road saddle than the Ram's. Both have the same Selle
 Anatomica saddle model, btw, as does the Saluki which gets less time than
 either.



 On Friday, October 10, 2014 10:36:38 PM UTC-5, rw1911 wrote:

 Bumping this hoping for some additional input...


 On Saturday, September 20, 2014 9:03:15 PM UTC-4, rw1911 wrote:

 Compared to my 60cm Rambouillet, a 61cm Road Standard has 1.5cm
 longer top tube, 1cm shorter chain stays, .5 degree steeper head tube and
 probably will only take a 32 tire.  Numbers are nice, but I'm curious if
 anyone has first hand experience with both?  Is the ride similar?  Is one
 sportier, stiffer, or more compliant, etc. than the other?


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[RBW] Re: Need help replicating Riv custom on a budget - for a shortish female friend

2014-10-26 Thread Fullylugged
Echoing Doug's thoughts, a 50 CM Ram might work. They take 38 mm tires w/o 
fenders and have great geometry in a small bike using 26 (559 ERD) wheels. 
 

On Saturday, October 25, 2014 11:49:23 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote:

 Lesli:

 My wife is 5'2 and rides a 47 cm Atlantis with 26 wheels.  Granted, they 
 are somewhat rare but do come up for sale from time to time.  While it's 
 been on a few tours, most of her riding is casual / recreational / sport 
 touring, and she loves the bike for it's comfort.  Given your description 
 of your own bike, I'd suggest any Rivendell in the sub 50 cm frame size 
 would work, either 26 or 650b wheels.  Smaller frame sizes often go for 
 very affordable prices but patience is required.  Or post a WTB on this 
 list.  OTH, if a new bike is preferred, David's suggestion is a good one.  
 And definitely avoid 700c wheels in a small frame.  There's just too many 
 compromises needed to squeeze them into a sub-50 cm frame.  My wife thought 
 her 48 cm Trek with 700c wheels was just fine until she rode a 47 cm 
 Atlantis with 26 wheels.  She's not a bike geek or a snob, but immediately 
 noticed the difference and purchased the Atlantis after riding it only a 
 short time.  I'm sure a Hilsen, Homer, or other Rivendell would have bee a 
 similar experience.

 dougP

 On Saturday, October 25, 2014 8:19:04 PM UTC-7, Lesli Larson wrote:

 I'm helping a friend source a new (or possibly) used bike to replicate my 
 own Riv custom which has a 50cm seat tube and a 50 cm top tube.  My bike, 
 originally a rando rig, is now set up with porteur bars, inverse levers, 
 wider brooks saddle, honjos and 38c grand bois tires.  It's such a fun bike 
 to ride.  In my friends words, the bike changed her life, or at least, 
 attitude about bike fit and comfort.  My friend and I are both 5'3 and ride 
 bikes in the 48cm to 50 cm range.

 I've been shopping around for a stock 650b frame for her that could be 
 built up into an upright, go fast, weekender bike.  We're in the Surly/Soma 
 budget when it comes to the frame.  Sadly, most of these bikes seems to be 
 made for 700c wheels or have extra long top tubes (even for bikes that are 
 47cm).  

 Send me your frame suggestions.  Right now, our target is the Soma San 
 Marcos which I believe takes 650b in smaller sizes.   We're working with a 
 terrific shop in Brooklyn.  I just wanted to solicit the group for any 
 extra knowledge of stock frames that we might also want to evaluate. 

 Regards,

 Lesli Larson
 Eugene, Oregon



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[RBW] Re: Need help replicating Riv custom on a budget - for a shortish female friend

2014-10-26 Thread Will
You might want to poke around for a small 1984 Trek 620 or one of the 
mid-80s 520s. Longish framesets, relaxed seat and head tubes, long 
chainstays, canti-posts. Details at Vintage-Trek.com. Either would be a 
great conversion to 650B which would give room for 38s. Originally designed 
as touring bikes (lots of braze-ons, so very easy to rack); these make 
wonderful upright utility/commuter/all-rounders. I know :-) My wife has the 
620.  

http://www.vintage-trek.com/images/trek/84Trek3Touring.pdf

You could get very close to your All-Rounder on one of these. Riv has a 
great set of bolt on wide-mouth, long-reach, side-pulls if you cannot get a 
canti-model. 


On Saturday, October 25, 2014 10:19:04 PM UTC-5, Lesli Larson wrote:

 I'm helping a friend source a new (or possibly) used bike to replicate my 
 own Riv custom which has a 50cm seat tube and a 50 cm top tube.  My bike, 
 originally a rando rig, is now set up with porteur bars, inverse levers, 
 wider brooks saddle, honjos and 38c grand bois tires.  It's such a fun bike 
 to ride.  In my friends words, the bike changed her life, or at least, 
 attitude about bike fit and comfort.  My friend and I are both 5'3 and ride 
 bikes in the 48cm to 50 cm range.

 I've been shopping around for a stock 650b frame for her that could be 
 built up into an upright, go fast, weekender bike.  We're in the Surly/Soma 
 budget when it comes to the frame.  Sadly, most of these bikes seems to be 
 made for 700c wheels or have extra long top tubes (even for bikes that are 
 47cm).  

 Send me your frame suggestions.  Right now, our target is the Soma San 
 Marcos which I believe takes 650b in smaller sizes.   We're working with a 
 terrific shop in Brooklyn.  I just wanted to solicit the group for any 
 extra knowledge of stock frames that we might also want to evaluate. 

 Regards,

 Lesli Larson
 Eugene, Oregon


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[RBW] Re: Need help replicating Riv custom on a budget - for a shortish female friend

2014-10-26 Thread Will
or maybe, you could get this poster to a more reasonable price:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/internet-bob/Ut5CD7twypo

On Saturday, October 25, 2014 10:19:04 PM UTC-5, Lesli Larson wrote:

 I'm helping a friend source a new (or possibly) used bike to replicate my 
 own Riv custom which has a 50cm seat tube and a 50 cm top tube.  My bike, 
 originally a rando rig, is now set up with porteur bars, inverse levers, 
 wider brooks saddle, honjos and 38c grand bois tires.  It's such a fun bike 
 to ride.  In my friends words, the bike changed her life, or at least, 
 attitude about bike fit and comfort.  My friend and I are both 5'3 and ride 
 bikes in the 48cm to 50 cm range.

 I've been shopping around for a stock 650b frame for her that could be 
 built up into an upright, go fast, weekender bike.  We're in the Surly/Soma 
 budget when it comes to the frame.  Sadly, most of these bikes seems to be 
 made for 700c wheels or have extra long top tubes (even for bikes that are 
 47cm).  

 Send me your frame suggestions.  Right now, our target is the Soma San 
 Marcos which I believe takes 650b in smaller sizes.   We're working with a 
 terrific shop in Brooklyn.  I just wanted to solicit the group for any 
 extra knowledge of stock frames that we might also want to evaluate. 

 Regards,

 Lesli Larson
 Eugene, Oregon


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[RBW] Re: chain line and the Quickbeam

2014-10-26 Thread Kainalu
That makes sense, you could use another cog on there as a lockring of 
sorts, and if you carried a chainwhip you could swap your fixed set. Or I 
suppose you could use your crank and chain as a chainwhip just as easily by 
using a stick to brake the crank. There must be a thread around here 
somewhere that touches on all the details of this, that maybe able to 
dispel all the myths I'm able to cook up in my head regarding simple and 
cheap two geared fixed gears with a third as lockring and superfluous 3rd 
option...
freewheeling 13 until then I think
-Kai

On Sunday, October 26, 2014 9:11:17 AM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 It's free/free, and I have a 22t free on the flip side. I was told I could 
 put on a fixed gear and it would work fine so long as I didn't do 
 aggressive backpedaling to brake (since I have brakes) -- so that's my plan 
 for someday when I try it out. But I definitely like having the freewheel 
 for single track, dodging rocks and roots and steep trough-trail sections.

 With abandon,
 Patrick


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[RBW] Re: Need help replicating Riv custom on a budget - for a shortish female friend

2014-10-26 Thread Lesli Larson
Thanks.  These are great options and confirmed my suspicions that I should 
be watching the used market as well.  I always want to buy new but ended up 
believing a better value and better product can be sourced from the past, 
so to speak.

I would love to find a 47cm or 50 cm Riv frame - especially an Atlantis - 
that could be build up by my local shop, Blue Heron Bicycles.

Curious to know how folks feel about the San Marcos versus the used Riv 
option.  I'm taken aback a bit about the long top tube on even the smaller 
frames.

Regards,

LL

On Saturday, October 25, 2014 11:19:04 PM UTC-4, Lesli Larson wrote:

 I'm helping a friend source a new (or possibly) used bike to replicate my 
 own Riv custom which has a 50cm seat tube and a 50 cm top tube.  My bike, 
 originally a rando rig, is now set up with porteur bars, inverse levers, 
 wider brooks saddle, honjos and 38c grand bois tires.  It's such a fun bike 
 to ride.  In my friends words, the bike changed her life, or at least, 
 attitude about bike fit and comfort.  My friend and I are both 5'3 and ride 
 bikes in the 48cm to 50 cm range.

 I've been shopping around for a stock 650b frame for her that could be 
 built up into an upright, go fast, weekender bike.  We're in the Surly/Soma 
 budget when it comes to the frame.  Sadly, most of these bikes seems to be 
 made for 700c wheels or have extra long top tubes (even for bikes that are 
 47cm).  

 Send me your frame suggestions.  Right now, our target is the Soma San 
 Marcos which I believe takes 650b in smaller sizes.   We're working with a 
 terrific shop in Brooklyn.  I just wanted to solicit the group for any 
 extra knowledge of stock frames that we might also want to evaluate. 

 Regards,

 Lesli Larson
 Eugene, Oregon


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[RBW] Re: Need help replicating Riv custom on a budget - for a shortish female friend

2014-10-26 Thread Kieran J
Is your friend planning on also using porteur bars or similar, to achieve 
the upright riding position? As you probably know, accommodating a long-ish 
top tube with swept-back bars is much less of a challenge than it can be 
for drop bar configurations. 

It would seem that the 650b San Marcos with Alba/Dove/VO porteur bars would 
be a solid option to look at!

KJ


On Saturday, October 25, 2014 11:19:04 PM UTC-4, Lesli Larson wrote:

 I'm helping a friend source a new (or possibly) used bike to replicate my 
 own Riv custom which has a 50cm seat tube and a 50 cm top tube.  My bike, 
 originally a rando rig, is now set up with porteur bars, inverse levers, 
 wider brooks saddle, honjos and 38c grand bois tires.  It's such a fun bike 
 to ride.  In my friends words, the bike changed her life, or at least, 
 attitude about bike fit and comfort.  My friend and I are both 5'3 and ride 
 bikes in the 48cm to 50 cm range.

 I've been shopping around for a stock 650b frame for her that could be 
 built up into an upright, go fast, weekender bike.  We're in the Surly/Soma 
 budget when it comes to the frame.  Sadly, most of these bikes seems to be 
 made for 700c wheels or have extra long top tubes (even for bikes that are 
 47cm).  

 Send me your frame suggestions.  Right now, our target is the Soma San 
 Marcos which I believe takes 650b in smaller sizes.   We're working with a 
 terrific shop in Brooklyn.  I just wanted to solicit the group for any 
 extra knowledge of stock frames that we might also want to evaluate. 

 Regards,

 Lesli Larson
 Eugene, Oregon


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[RBW] Re: chain line and the Quickbeam

2014-10-26 Thread David Banzer
You can use the rotafix method to install and remove fixed cogs without the 
need for a chainwhip. It uses the wheel as leverage which gets far more 
torque than a chainwhip. I've used this method to setup fixed gears for 
myself on a regular freewheel threading and have never had a cog come 
loose. I don't skid stop but I do resist pedaling to slow down.
http://www.urbanvelo.org/issue11/urbanvelo11_p76-77.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qIVEpyelP0
David
Chicago


On Sunday, October 26, 2014 9:48:55 AM UTC-5, Kainalu wrote:

 That makes sense, you could use another cog on there as a lockring of 
 sorts, and if you carried a chainwhip you could swap your fixed set. Or I 
 suppose you could use your crank and chain as a chainwhip just as easily by 
 using a stick to brake the crank. There must be a thread around here 
 somewhere that touches on all the details of this, that maybe able to 
 dispel all the myths I'm able to cook up in my head regarding simple and 
 cheap two geared fixed gears with a third as lockring and superfluous 3rd 
 option...
 freewheeling 13 until then I think
 -Kai

 On Sunday, October 26, 2014 9:11:17 AM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 It's free/free, and I have a 22t free on the flip side. I was told I 
 could put on a fixed gear and it would work fine so long as I didn't do 
 aggressive backpedaling to brake (since I have brakes) -- so that's my plan 
 for someday when I try it out. But I definitely like having the freewheel 
 for single track, dodging rocks and roots and steep trough-trail sections.

 With abandon,
 Patrick



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RE: [RBW] Re: chain line and the Quickbeam

2014-10-26 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
I believe Riv used a BB lockring to hold the fixed cog tight on one side of the 
free/free Suzue hub on my Quickbeam – I don’t think I’ve ever actually focused 
on it, but that’s what they said way back then.

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Banzer
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 11:16 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: chain line and the Quickbeam

You can use the rotafix method to install and remove fixed cogs without the 
need for a chainwhip. It uses the wheel as leverage which gets far more torque 
than a chainwhip. I've used this method to setup fixed gears for myself on a 
regular freewheel threading and have never had a cog come loose. I don't skid 
stop but I do resist pedaling to slow down.
http://www.urbanvelo.org/issue11/urbanvelo11_p76-77.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qIVEpyelP0
David
Chicago


On Sunday, October 26, 2014 9:48:55 AM UTC-5, Kainalu wrote:
That makes sense, you could use another cog on there as a lockring of sorts, 
and if you carried a chainwhip you could swap your fixed set. Or I suppose you 
could use your crank and chain as a chainwhip just as easily by using a stick 
to brake the crank. There must be a thread around here somewhere that touches 
on all the details of this, that maybe able to dispel all the myths I'm able to 
cook up in my head regarding simple and cheap two geared fixed gears with a 
third as lockring and superfluous 3rd option...
freewheeling 13 until then I think
-Kai

On Sunday, October 26, 2014 9:11:17 AM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
It's free/free, and I have a 22t free on the flip side. I was told I could put 
on a fixed gear and it would work fine so long as I didn't do aggressive 
backpedaling to brake (since I have brakes) -- so that's my plan for someday 
when I try it out. But I definitely like having the freewheel for single track, 
dodging rocks and roots and steep trough-trail sections.

With abandon,
Patrick
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[RBW] Re: Polling what's the best 650b touring tire?

2014-10-26 Thread Nanga Parbat
I have been extremely happy with the Schwalbe Big Ben. They come in 700c 
and 650, roll fast, work better than expected off road, provide a plush 
ride and no flats.
My new favorite tire.
Cheers,
Scott

On Thursday, January 31, 2013 3:30:46 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:

 I want to thank all of you for your contributions to my poll. The 
 questions genesis was posed by my Brother who with me plans to do a tour 
 in late spring down the California coast. I thought hey I know a resource 
 of fellows with lots of knowledge. 

 @ Jim Thill as it seems in my limited experience you have a straight 
 forward logic really helpful and humorous, as in why didn't I think of 
 that. @ Jan also in my limited experience your ability to clear 
 misapprehension with precise logical investigation is a great resource 
 thank you. 

 Jan I have two rides on my Hetres and find such a plush ride with good 
 puncture 
 resistance hard to wrap my head around, don't get me wrong I believe you. 
 Now I have to conduct my own data acquisition, oh the fun.

 I could not be happier to have discovered this group. Cheers-

 Hugh
 Sunland, Ca

 On Wednesday, January 30, 2013 5:00:46 PM UTC-8, Jan Heine wrote:

 Touring, I don't think I've had more than one or two flats. This is 
 over decades of occasional tours, and tens of thousands of miles. On 
 backroads, there tends to be very little debris, and wider tires get 
 fewer flats anyhow. So I choose the most supple, comfortable and fun 
 tires I can find. Puncture protection is only a minor consideration. 

 Punctures seem to occur mostly during organized events that use the 
 shoulders of busy highways. I avoid those, not just because I get 
 flats, but also because I don't enjoy riding there. Some riders seem 
 to get more punctures on urban streets, but as long as you stay out of 
 the gutter, the road surface also tends to be relatively clean. 

 Overall, once you go to really wide tires, you will find that you get 
 almost zero punctures. I have ridden more than 12,000 miles on Grand 
 Bois Hetres, most of them in the city and suburbs, yet I've had only 
 two punctures. Both occurred when the tires were very worn. One was a 
 very sharp flint, the other a huge steel wire from an exploded truck 
 tire. 

 Disclosure: Our sister company, Compass Bicycles Ltd., sells Grand 
 Bois tires. 

 Jan Heine 
 Editor 
 Bicycle Quarterly 
 www.bikequarterly.com 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Parts - Hetres, Nitto Stems, MKS Pedals.

2014-10-26 Thread David Banzer
GB tires are sold as well.

On Saturday, October 25, 2014 6:20:47 PM UTC-5, David Banzer wrote:

 MKS Touring  Grip King pedals are sold.



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Re: [RBW] FS/WTT New-in-the box Waterford Atlantis 56cm

2014-10-26 Thread Chris Chen
Yeah unfortunately I'm afraid you're right... I'm a 83 PBH and I think my
atlantis would be a 54.5 one.

Not that I have one, that's just my understanding.
On Oct 25, 2014 10:20 PM, Wildcat96 cschoentha...@gmail.com wrote:


 https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-o3XgYwYn8vI/VEqs9H-76JI/BW0/ESvG7xSUoek/s1600/IMG_1740.JPG
 Hey all, I picked this frame up from a fellow Riv fan locally and was
 hoping to transfer most of the parts over from my Alba-bar 51cm Sam.  After
 spending some time on the phone with the guys at Riv, I am not so sure now
 that I'm going to be happy with the fit as it's borderline too big.  I am
 5'7 with a 81 PBH.  It is still in the original packaging and I only
 pulled it out to inspect it for damage and snap some pics.  I am asking
 $1850 plus shipping, but I am open to other offers or possibly trading for
 an 53 or 54.5 Atlantis, 48 or 51 Hunqapillar, 48 Bombadil, or even a 54
 Hilsen that is new or in decent shape.  This is the brand new Waterford
 frame that Riv sells for $2300.

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[RBW] Re: Polling what's the best 650b touring tire?

2014-10-26 Thread Garth
   
700x38 Vittoria Rando Hypers, called Voyager Hyper now :)  

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Atlantis 56cm

2014-10-26 Thread Pondero
I'm bumping this on Ryan's behalf, since I've taken myself out of the 
running for this great deal.

That nagging detail mentioned in my last post was a standing offer to buy a 
friend's Atlantis if/when he wanted to sell it.  He had recently hinted 
that he was about ready to do so, and I needed to contact him first.  As it 
turns out, he is ready to sell and has proposed a partial bike sale that 
fits my needs perfectly.  I need to follow through with that approach.

So Ryan's excellent deal is still out there and I encourage someone to step 
up and take advantage of it.

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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[RBW] Re: chain line and the Quickbeam

2014-10-26 Thread Philip Williamson
I've always been lucky with chainlines. Oh, cool, that worked. Or else I just 
don't get into it unles I have a problem, and haven't had any problems. I'm 
still on the QB's original BB.

I've also happily run fixed for years and years without lockrings, but I may 
have been lucky there, too. I use the Chaingang Rotafixa method of binding the 
chain on the bottom bracket shell and using the back wheel as a lever to mount 
the cog or crack it loose.

I just started riding the Quickbeam with a freewheel, which is fun, and 
different. I've had to resist the temptation to flip back to fixed, though, 
since I want to really give it a good try. I would like a WI double FW, but so 
far the 17t is working fine. 
36/44 x 17 freewheel
36/44 x 17/21 fixed.

Philip
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Re: [RBW] FS/WTT New-in-the box Waterford Atlantis 56cm

2014-10-26 Thread Wildcat96
Yes, Mark at RBW said he was a 82 pbh and felt most comfortable on a 54.5.  I 
think the recommended minimum pbh on the 56 is 82 or 83.  I rode a 59cm 
Bridgesone XO-2 for a and while it was obviously too tall, it felt great with 
Albatross bars.  I can straddle a 56 and get both feet on the ground with my 
riding shoes, but don't have a mm to spare.  Interestingly, the guy I bought it 
from also had a 81 pbh and said that this is the size he was recommended if he 
likes to stretch out and get his bars high.  If my asking price is out of line, 
I'm open to offers.

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[RBW] Re: fs: 700c Rich built - LX/Synergy 36h wheels + Soma Highway One handlebars

2014-10-26 Thread Eric
Wheels sold. 

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Re: [RBW] Big-big better than small-small?

2014-10-26 Thread Patrick Moore
John and Garth: thanks; both responses contain food for thought. My
thought, upon pursuing the matter, is that heavier circumferences (ie, rims
and tires) with larger radiuses, maintain momentum better, and this is what
I feel; the differences in friction between a 52/17 and a 46/15, per the
responses, would be too small to notice.

OTOH, I don't feel the same sort of momentum with my Fargo's wheels,
which are even longer in radius and heavier at the circumferential extreme.
But then there are vast differences in the tires on the Fargo and those on
the Ram -- Big Apple Liteskins or (presently) Furious Freds* versus Parigi
Roubaix.

No, it's not merely the quality of the tire: I felt this momentum with very
old IRC Tandems, 30 mm.

*The FF is just 30 grams heavier than the Parigi Roubaix: 360 honest grams
versus 330; but the tape build up and, of course, the 700-800 gram rims,
not to mention the vestigial knobs, undoubtedly play a role.

On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 8:58 PM, John Stowe stowe.j...@gmail.com wrote:

 Are you sure the different feel isn't attributable to the 70 vs 75
 difference? Does the Ram have a gear combo you could test that's closer to
 75? Are the geometry, rider position, etc. similar enough that it's a fair
 test?

 Pondering in the abstract, though, I'd expect real world differences to be
 practically meaningless outside a racing situation, I can think of two ways
 that different sized, but ratio-equivalent, gear combos could theoretically
 have different amounts of drag. Both have to do with friction and other
 forces in the chain:

 On one hand, the smaller gears make the chain bend around a smaller turn,
 so it's conceivable that this additional flex means additional friction.
 But, the jockey wheels on a derailleur are already smaller than all but the
 smallest racing sprockets, so surely this is fairly minor. Also, in
 general, more gradual turns are better for transmitting force, so I could
 see some losses to additional bending forces (tighter turns = more work,
 even with zero friction, just in terms of redirecting the motion).

 On the other hand, given the same wheel and crank speed, a larger set of
 gears means the chain is traveling faster (more teeth, same rpm). So the
 chain has more kinetic energy, and the bending/unbending as it goals around
 the gears (and through the derailleur, if there is one) has to happen
 faster. I'm not an expert on friction or fluid dynamics (of chain lube) but
 dealing with energy and speed usually involves a square relationship, so it
 seems like this COULD be the more important factor (once you've taken care
 of proper lube, straight chainline, etc.). Also, in terms of maintenance,
 especially for tourers/commuters, you're putting the chain through more
 load cycles per ride with the bigger rings, so I'd expect the chain to wear
 out a little sooner. So maybe the winning argument is from economic and not
 energy efficiency?

 Food for thought at least.
 -J

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[RBW] Re: Need help replicating Riv custom on a budget - for a shortish female friend

2014-10-26 Thread Joe Bernard
The San Marcos uses Riv's current expanded frame concept, so the seattube 
number is significantly smaller than the toptube. When shopping bikes like 
this and the Sam Hillborne, the trick is to ignore the claimed size of the 
frame and focus on how long the toptube is. The 47cm San Marcos has a 53.5 
toptube, which I think would work for your friend with some kind of 
sweptback bar. It's a really nice frame at a really good price.

Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Sunday, October 26, 2014 8:01:05 AM UTC-7, Lesli Larson wrote:

 Thanks.  These are great options and confirmed my suspicions that I should 
 be watching the used market as well.  I always want to buy new but ended up 
 believing a better value and better product can be sourced from the past, 
 so to speak.

 I would love to find a 47cm or 50 cm Riv frame - especially an Atlantis - 
 that could be build up by my local shop, Blue Heron Bicycles.

 Curious to know how folks feel about the San Marcos versus the used Riv 
 option.  I'm taken aback a bit about the long top tube on even the smaller 
 frames.

 Regards,

 LL

 On Saturday, October 25, 2014 11:19:04 PM UTC-4, Lesli Larson wrote:

 I'm helping a friend source a new (or possibly) used bike to replicate my 
 own Riv custom which has a 50cm seat tube and a 50 cm top tube.  My bike, 
 originally a rando rig, is now set up with porteur bars, inverse levers, 
 wider brooks saddle, honjos and 38c grand bois tires.  It's such a fun bike 
 to ride.  In my friends words, the bike changed her life, or at least, 
 attitude about bike fit and comfort.  My friend and I are both 5'3 and ride 
 bikes in the 48cm to 50 cm range.

 I've been shopping around for a stock 650b frame for her that could be 
 built up into an upright, go fast, weekender bike.  We're in the Surly/Soma 
 budget when it comes to the frame.  Sadly, most of these bikes seems to be 
 made for 700c wheels or have extra long top tubes (even for bikes that are 
 47cm).  

 Send me your frame suggestions.  Right now, our target is the Soma San 
 Marcos which I believe takes 650b in smaller sizes.   We're working with a 
 terrific shop in Brooklyn.  I just wanted to solicit the group for any 
 extra knowledge of stock frames that we might also want to evaluate. 

 Regards,

 Lesli Larson
 Eugene, Oregon



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Re: [RBW] Re: Platform/Spiked pedals question (gripsters, grip kings, etc.)

2014-10-26 Thread Jim Bronson
The Spry comes in a nice looking silver.  How far does it stick out
from the crankarm as compared to the VP-001 Thin Gripster?  List
price is similar.  I'm already using a 20mm Kneesaver pedal extender
so I wouldn't want the pedal to be closer to the crankarm.

http://www.xpedo.com/products/pedals/platform/144/spry


On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 5:27 AM, Richard rlh3...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've been riding with the thin gripster pedals for about 5 months now.
 During the summer months in Merrell sandals, and sneakers and socks now that
 the weather is cooler. The VP001 pedals weight 360 grams. I also own the
 Xpedo Spry pedals which weight 243 grams, or 117 grams lighter than the
 Gripsters. I'm certainly no weight-weenie, but lower weight in rotating mass
 is a plus. They're super light and the platform is huge.

 Platform pedals with pins have transformed my riding. The grip is fantastic,
 even when wet. The only way my foot comes off the pedal, is if I lift it
 off. My pedal stroke is stronger riding naked, I'll never go back to SPD's
 or any other foot retention system.

 Richard

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[RBW] fs: Carradice - Nelson Longflap - vintage one w/ cool lettering!

2014-10-26 Thread Eric
Here's a Carradice Nelson Longflap saddle bag. Super nice shape. Very, very 
gently used. It's been sitting in box for quite sometime. This is an older 
one that has the cool letter too!

$130 shipped via PayPal. You have to send the funds via pay for goods  
services and not as a gift. 

http://s10.postimg.org/8ub4tpomh/image.jpg
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[RBW] Dave's Graveyard

2014-10-26 Thread Curtis McKenzie
Has anyone from Portland ridden by Dave's Graveyard?
http://davisgraveyard.com

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[RBW] WTT/WTB 7 or 8cm Tallux to replace a 9cm Tallux

2014-10-26 Thread lungimsam
I have a 6cm Technomic.
You can also rotate your brake levers a little higher on the bends/ramp to 
bring them closer.

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[RBW] New to Me Rivendell Road (Standard)

2014-10-26 Thread WETH
The FedEx driver delivered my new-to-me Rivendell Road frame and fork on 
Saturday.  There is nothing quite like the anticipation of a new bike.  I had 
wanted something a bit different from my Atlantis and Surly LHT and decided 
this was it.  This will be my winter project, and I hope to have it on the road 
come spring.  Photos here: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/86975051@N08/sets/72157646658697853/
So I have a question for the collective wisdom of this group.  I have read 
Cyclofiend's page on the Rivendell Road Standard.  How do I tell whether mine 
is a Road, Road Standard, or some other custom?  I am at least the third owner. 
 If I understand Waterford serial numbers, mine the 42nd frame made in July of 
1996 (G96042).  It doesn't matter to my riding enjoyment what model it is, but 
I am curious and take pride, like all of you, in my Rivendells.  So, how to 
learn more about the frame?
Also, does anyone have photos of their Rivendell Road (Standard) bike to share? 
 Looking for ideas and inspiration.
Thanks,
Erl

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[RBW] Re: New to Me Rivendell Road (Standard)

2014-10-26 Thread Kieran J
What's going on in that first picture there? Did the frame bring a ghostie 
with it? So spooky.
:-P

Oh, and the frame looks very nice!

KJ


On Sunday, October 26, 2014 9:02:28 PM UTC-4, WETH wrote:

 The FedEx driver delivered my new-to-me Rivendell Road frame and fork on 
 Saturday.  There is nothing quite like the anticipation of a new bike.  I 
 had wanted something a bit different from my Atlantis and Surly LHT and 
 decided this was it.  This will be my winter project, and I hope to have it 
 on the road come spring.  Photos here: 
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/86975051@N08/sets/72157646658697853/
 So I have a question for the collective wisdom of this group.  I have read 
 Cyclofiend's page on the Rivendell Road Standard.  How do I tell whether 
 mine is a Road, Road Standard, or some other custom?  I am at least the 
 third owner.  If I understand Waterford serial numbers, mine the 42nd frame 
 made in July of 1996 (G96042).  It doesn't matter to my riding enjoyment 
 what model it is, but I am curious and take pride, like all of you, in my 
 Rivendells.  So, how to learn more about the frame?
 Also, does anyone have photos of their Rivendell Road (Standard) bike to 
 share?  Looking for ideas and inspiration.
 Thanks,
 Erl

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[RBW] Re: New to Me Rivendell Road (Standard)

2014-10-26 Thread Deacon Patrick
Beautiful bike! Hard to imagine two people choosing to let that go, but all 
the better for you!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, October 26, 2014 7:02:28 PM UTC-6, WETH wrote:

 The FedEx driver delivered my new-to-me Rivendell Road frame and fork on 
 Saturday.  There is nothing quite like the anticipation of a new bike.  I 
 had wanted something a bit different from my Atlantis and Surly LHT and 
 decided this was it.  This will be my winter project, and I hope to have it 
 on the road come spring.  Photos here: 
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/86975051@N08/sets/72157646658697853/
 So I have a question for the collective wisdom of this group.  I have read 
 Cyclofiend's page on the Rivendell Road Standard.  How do I tell whether 
 mine is a Road, Road Standard, or some other custom?  I am at least the 
 third owner.  If I understand Waterford serial numbers, mine the 42nd frame 
 made in July of 1996 (G96042).  It doesn't matter to my riding enjoyment 
 what model it is, but I am curious and take pride, like all of you, in my 
 Rivendells.  So, how to learn more about the frame?
 Also, does anyone have photos of their Rivendell Road (Standard) bike to 
 share?  Looking for ideas and inspiration.
 Thanks,
 Erl

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[RBW] Re: New to Me Rivendell Road (Standard)

2014-10-26 Thread Tony DeFilippo
Wow!  Looks great.  I and help at all on your question unfortunately but I am 
curious what you are thinking with respect to the build?  

I can't wait to check out that head badge in person!

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[RBW] Re: chain line and the Quickbeam

2014-10-26 Thread Kainalu
Suzue! And I said Suzie, don't even know what I'm rolling... Thanks for the 
great chain tricks and fixed opportunity right in front of my nose.

Suzie being the name of my first pup
-Kai

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Re: [RBW] Re: Platform/Spiked pedals question (gripsters, grip kings, etc.)

2014-10-26 Thread George Millwood
I have a set of MacNeil gripster style BMX pedals on my beach cruiser which 
is an old Specialise Shark Sport.  I ride in the morning on a trip that 
takes me down to the stadium, back to the lighthouse, around the fishing 
wharf, along the waterfront, onto the dirt path through the nature reserve 
and up the bike path to the Bellambi Rock Pool and back.  You can google 
map it at Wollongong, Australia.  Then eat your heart out cos this is 
living in god's pocket.
 
This trip has everything.  Smooth asphalt and concrete, rotten asphalt, 
well made crushed red gravel, poor sand and some ups and downs.  These 
pedals are magnificent.  My feet never move and i can lift and reposition 
my feet to get a different set of muscles working for this bit or that 
hill.  Why BMX?  Dunno, Ross, my mechanic, fitted them and (blush) I liked 
them cos they colour matched my front hub and Brooks Select.  Now all I 
need is a black and tan bag to match the overall colour scheme.  I'm using 
a Carradice green and tan but the green jars.

George Millwood
Wollongong, Australia 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Platform/Spiked pedals question (gripsters, grip kings, etc.)

2014-10-26 Thread George Millwood
Forgot to say that i wear Keen sandals since I ripped a big toenail off in 
the nature reserve and they are wonderful.  I could wear sneakers and socks 
in winter but it never gets cold enough.  

Cheers

George

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Re: [RBW] Re: chain line and the Quickbeam

2014-10-26 Thread JL
Thanks for the tip guys.  After reading this I today set my 'beam up with spare 
parts. I now have a 42x22 fixed/free flip flop.

Jason Leach
SF, CA



 On Oct 26, 2014, at 7:19 PM, Kainalu kaiviers...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Suzue! And I said Suzie, don't even know what I'm rolling... Thanks for the 
 great chain tricks and fixed opportunity right in front of my nose.
 
 Suzie being the name of my first pup
 -Kai
 
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Re: [RBW] FS/WTT New-in-the box Waterford Atlantis 56cm

2014-10-26 Thread dougP
I have 2 old Atlantis flyers.  For the 56 cm size, one lists a PBH range of 
82 to 85 cm, and the other lists 83 to 85 cm.  These are quite old,  
pre-date my 2003 purchase, so there may be something current on the 
Rivendell website.  Specs may change over time.  For instance, the 54.5 is 
only listed on one of the flyers, and covers 80 to 82.5 cm PBHs.  The other 
flyer lists the 53 cm for PBHs 79 to 83 cm.

My PBH is 85-86 cm  I ride a 58 cm.  I've also ridden a 56 a short 
distance  it fit fine too.  Hope you can find a smaller one to trade.  I'm 
partial to the Atlantis but any of the others you're considering are great 
bikes too.

dougP

On Sunday, October 26, 2014 1:29:49 PM UTC-7, Wildcat96 wrote:

 Yes, Mark at RBW said he was a 82 pbh and felt most comfortable on a 54.5. 
  I think the recommended minimum pbh on the 56 is 82 or 83.  I rode a 59cm 
 Bridgesone XO-2 for a and while it was obviously too tall, it felt great 
 with Albatross bars.  I can straddle a 56 and get both feet on the ground 
 with my riding shoes, but don't have a mm to spare.  Interestingly, the guy 
 I bought it from also had a 81 pbh and said that this is the size he was 
 recommended if he likes to stretch out and get his bars high.  If my asking 
 price is out of line, I'm open to offers.

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[RBW] New to Me Rivendell Road (Standard)

2014-10-26 Thread Pondero
Pure class, and so much potential there.  I'm looking forward to seeing the 
build.  Enjoy!

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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Re: [RBW] Re: Platform/Spiked pedals question (gripsters, grip kings, etc.)

2014-10-26 Thread Joe Bunik
Hi Richard
Just curious- what cranks are those you have there? And thanks for the
Xpedo rec.!
=- Joe Bunik
Walnut Creek, CA


On 10/25/14, Richard rlh3...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've been riding with the thin gripster pedals for about 5 months now.
 During the summer months in Merrell sandals, and sneakers and socks now
 that the weather is cooler. The VP001 pedals weight 360 grams. I also own
 the Xpedo Spry pedals which weight 243 grams, or 117 grams lighter than the

 Gripsters. I'm certainly no weight-weenie, but lower weight in rotating
 mass is a plus. They're super light and the platform is huge.

 Platform pedals with pins have transformed my riding. The grip is
 fantastic, even when wet. The only way my foot comes off the pedal, is if I

 lift it off. My pedal stroke is stronger riding naked, I'll never go back
 to SPD's or any other foot retention system.

 Richard

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