[RBW] Re: Help me pick my second Rivendell!

[John G.]

Thanks, everyone! I see a lot of votes for a Roadeo. I'm also intrigued by 
the Black Mountain Cycles road model. More investigation is needed.

The feedback is much appreciated.

On Monday, November 7, 2016 at 10:54:02 AM UTC-5, John G. wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm the proud and delighted owner of a 58 cm Hunqapillar. Some of my best 
> days ever have been on that bike. I'm fortunate enough to be able pull 
> together the money for second Rivendell, but I'd like some advice.
>
> My stable:
> 58 cm Hunq. Love it.
> 60 cm 1980 Mercian Superlight: also love this, but it's getting long in 
> the tooth and I want to be gentle with it.
> 58 cm Soma Smoothie: the black sheep. It has some very nice Ultegra 
> components on it, but it's really just too small, and I never ride it.
>
> So, a few questions for the bunch:
> 1. I'm looking for a nimble bike for roads. Not a lot of gravel in my part 
> of the northeast, and the Hunq has that covered, anyway. *What Rivendell 
> best fits my needs in the context of my stable?*
> 2. I don't need 4 bikes. Should I part out the Smoothie and use it to 
> build up a new bike, or should I sell the complete bike?
>
> All advice appreciated.
>

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Re: [RBW] XL frames and 650b experiences

[Abcyclehank]

Toshi. 
I am not converting the Atlantis or Bomba.  
Rather the 68cm custom Riv. or a 73cm custom Mark Nobilette with Canti brakes 
comparable to a Hilsen.
The Nobilette has 32mm tires now but that is almost max.
I could get 38-42mm on the Custom if converted.
I will run a 175 or 170 crank.  I have 2 nice wheel sets and a full build for a 
Betty that is not going to be used by this riding family.

Ryan

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[RBW] Bay Area fork bender person

[Joe Bernard]

Ah, I haven't been there in years. I bought my first Bridgestone there, and 
used to use their public shop space. Good call!

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[RBW] Bay Area fork bender person

[Bill Lindsay]

Missing Link has a pretty decent fork alignment tool.  I'd ask for Chuck Betz 
or Bill Sparks to do the work. 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito Ca

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis

[Richard Rios]

Really is a special bike. I have a 56 and love and baby it to no end. Ride is 
smooth and stable. Bike is a home run. No wait grand slam IMHO. The new 650b 
version looks killer as well sure it's ride is just as sublime as ever. There 
is just some magic in the design.

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[RBW] FS: Jones loop H bars 710 with grips and brake levelers

[Richard Rios]

SOLD!

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[RBW] Reuse Brooks handlebar tape?

[Reid]

A few months ago I bought a demo AHH from RBW and the Noodle bars are 
wrapped with Brooks leather "tape." It's time to make some changes to the 
set up, so I wonder -- can I unwrap the Brooks leather tape and then 
re-wrap such that the tape still looks good, not tacky?

Thanks for any ideas.

Reid

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[RBW] Re: XL frames and 650b experiences

[Anton Tutter]

My largest 650B conversion was my first and most ambitious one, although it 
isn't a large frame by your standards-- 63cm. The bike has seen several 
builds after conversion, and the one that just works most wonderfully is 
its current build as an around town porteur with flat VO Postino bars and a 
large front rack. It's been in this configuration for the last 2 1/2 years 
and it's probably only ever going to see minor tweaks here and there. It 
was a touring bike and tubing is 9/6/9 so it's on the stout side and 
doesn't have much flex (it didn't perform well configured in drop-bar 
rando-mode, partly because of the stiffness and also because the front end 
felt heavy). But riding around town with swept-back bars at saddle height 
and a slightly more upright riding position, it just glides very smoothly 
and feels well balanced. The 650B wheel size suits it very well. It's 
wearing old generation Hetres, one of which is now worn. Still a sublime 
smooth riding tire even though there are some better ones on the market now 
(e.g., Compass).



Here it is in its former rando setup from about four years ago:



Anton
velolumino.com


On Sunday, November 6, 2016 at 9:39:59 AM UTC-5, Abcyclehank wrote:
>
> Just completed my fleet by purchasing a Joe/Joe 68cm Riv Custom frameset. 
>  Considering a 650b build possibly due to severe overlap of ride options. 
>  Plan to reconfigure the 68cm Atlantis and 64cm Bombadil also. Will 
> constitute my winter projects here during an uncertain Michigan winter. 
>  Currently 60 degrees on Nov. 6th, loving the extended fall riding season. 
>  Not even thinking about hanging up the classics and dragging out the XXL 
> Moonlander yet.
>
> What specific experiences have fellow listers had with conversions?
>
> Ryan Hankinson
> West Michigan
>
>

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[RBW] Bay Area fork bender person

[Joe Bernard]

I purchased a weird Japan-market KHS mini velo on eBay and it showed up with a 
slightly squished fork. Who in the SF Bay Area or Sacramento can spread/align 
it for me?

Thanks,
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

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Re: [RBW] XL frames and 650b experiences

[Steve Palincsar]

Are there any cranks 3 cm longer than 170s?


On 11/07/2016 06:54 PM, Toshi Takeuchi wrote:
I don't usually fret about BB height on my 650b conversions, but use 
170 mm cranks.  However, adding 1-3 cm of crank length would have me 
concerned enough to not recommend it.  I've scraped road twice in 
thousands of miles with SPD pedals (sorta bounced the pedal off the 
road--not any danger of crashing).  Most of my miles have been with a 
650b Ram.


Besides, the benefit for 650b conversions (for me) is to gain in max 
tire width, which is beneficial for the plush ride and safer in terms 
of handling cracks and potholes in the road.  I can't tell if you are 
thinking about converting your Hunq or Atlantis, but it doesn't seem 
to be of benefit in terms of tire width, because those bikes can 
handle wide tires already?


Toshi


On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Abcyclehank > wrote:


David your frequent messages about the Redwood has been one of my
main inspirations.  Glad I stopped bidding against you for it, I
benefitted from losing.

Miss Ryan, I agree that tragic is much better than fatal when
discussing accidents of any kind: whether people, bike or cars are
involved.  Steel bikes  usually repairable, people rehabilitated,
newer cars written off by insurance companies.

Are 47cm chain stays longer than normal.  I have Clem like spacing
between wheel and seat tube?

Ryan Hankinson
Muskegon Michigan



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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs Heron Touring ... GO

[ted]

I'm glad you have found the solution that you like, but some of us do like the 
way cantilevers work and are glad they still exist. Saying cantilevers are 
obsolete and only exist for fashion is a mistake.

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[RBW] FS: riv bullmoose handlebars

[mike gasparino]

Not used much. I did however take half an inch off each side. In good shape. 
$130 shipped 

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Re: [RBW] 650b Atlantis Pic on the BLUG

[Frank Brose]

Do it Max. You won't look back or be sorry. I have a 56 26" and love it but 
I also love 650b wheels as I have a couple of bikes with those as well. 
I'll be hard pressed to not sell mine and pony up the extra cash for a 650b 
model. I'll wait for the geometry charts.
Frank

On Sunday, November 6, 2016 at 8:34:37 AM UTC-6, Max S wrote:
>
> ooh!... I'd been trying to save up for a 56cm / 650b Hunqapillar, but now 
> that there's a 650b Atlantis... 
>
> - Max
>
> On Friday, November 4, 2016 at 9:42:18 PM UTC-4, drew wrote:
>>
>> Aren't they going proportional? Big-700c, medium-650b, small-26". That 
>> was my take. I have a beloved 700c hunq, but a 56cm with 650b is s 
>> damn tempting. 
>
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Re: [RBW] XL frames and 650b experiences

[Toshi Takeuchi]

I don't usually fret about BB height on my 650b conversions, but use 170 mm
cranks.  However, adding 1-3 cm of crank length would have me concerned
enough to not recommend it.  I've scraped road twice in thousands of miles
with SPD pedals (sorta bounced the pedal off the road--not any danger of
crashing).  Most of my miles have been with a 650b Ram.

Besides, the benefit for 650b conversions (for me) is to gain in max tire
width, which is beneficial for the plush ride and safer in terms of
handling cracks and potholes in the road.  I can't tell if you are thinking
about converting your Hunq or Atlantis, but it doesn't seem to be of
benefit in terms of tire width, because those bikes can handle wide tires
already?

Toshi


On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Abcyclehank  wrote:

> David your frequent messages about the Redwood has been one of my main
> inspirations.  Glad I stopped bidding against you for it, I benefitted from
> losing.
>
> Miss Ryan, I agree that tragic is much better than fatal when discussing
> accidents of any kind: whether people, bike or cars are involved.  Steel
> bikes  usually repairable, people rehabilitated, newer cars written off by
> insurance companies.
>
> Are 47cm chain stays longer than normal.  I have Clem like spacing between
> wheel and seat tube?
>
> Ryan Hankinson
> Muskegon Michigan
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs Heron Touring ... GO

[Christopher Cote]

Thanks. I had a Heron Road back in the day, too. It was a wonderful bike 
and I wish I still had it to complete the collection, but in reality, it is 
too racy for me. I'm much happier with wider tires and fenders.

I think the cantilever brakes I had last on the Heron Touring were the 
BR550s. I was on the fence between trying the V-brakes and the Tektro CR720 
brakes. I'm glad I went with the V brakes. IMO, cantilevers are really an 
outdated design (and this is coming from a confirmed retrogrouch). They 
only still exist for fashion's sake.

Chris


On Monday, November 7, 2016 at 6:26:20 PM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> glad you found a solution that worked out; that's a very nice bike and you 
> might've suffered from seller's remorse.
>
> I'm not in the market for one of the Herons myself at this stage of the 
> game, but I've always thought they were really nice understated  bikes and 
> I'm glad to see the brand is resurrected
>
> re: cantilevers; I had a horrid time with the Shimano BR550's which were 
> nice looking enough...cold-forged, yadda,yadda but did squeal and didn't 
> brake all that well. I thought the Shimano CX-70's were a vast 
> improvement...but you got the V-brakes to work, so your Heron sounds like 
> it's no longer on the chopping block
>
> On Sunday, November 6, 2016 at 4:45:33 PM UTC-6, Christopher Cote wrote:
>>
>> This thread motivated me to get out to the garage and install the 
>> V-brakes. I knew from having them on mountain bikes that they'd work fine, 
>> but I was hesitant because I've never liked the looks of a road bikes with 
>> V-brakes. Also, I didn't think I'd like the RL520 levers. I bought a set of 
>> the big fat Cane Creek aero levers when they first came out, and never 
>> liked them. I much prefer the old Shimano aero levers. I was pleasantly 
>> surprised that the brakes don't look too out of place, and I do like the 
>> feel of the RL520 levers. Of course, they work very well. They're light to 
>> the touch, powerful, smooth, and quiet. I can do stoppies and lock up the 
>> rear at will.
>>
>> I was able to get out for a short ride before it got dark. I didn't have 
>> time to tape the bars, as we're back in the dark ages, AKA standard time, 
>> and it gets dark at 4 o'clock in the afternoon here.
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, November 6, 2016 at 4:37:35 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> Christopher: If the Heron can take 38 Compass tires, then, speaking only 
>>> for myself, I'd not hesitate for a minute to choose the Heron. IIRC (my Sam 
>>> Hill was an earlier model), the Sam can't fit tires much fatter.
>>>
>>> And V brakes are (at least judging from my experience in setting them up 
>>> and riding with them) much easier and better stopping than any canti I've 
>>> used.
>>>
>>> I have what may be a similar dilemma with my 1999 Joe Starck custom 
>>> fixed gear gofast. It's limited -- I asked Grant particularly for no dt 
>>> bottle cage braze ons, no tt cable housing stops or guides, no derailleur 
>>> hangar or housing stops (these things slow you down you know). Very many 
>>> times over the last 17-18 years I've told myself, "Alright, let's get real, 
>>> let's give this to Chauncey and have him braze on derailleur bits, rear 
>>> brake bits, bottle cage bits." Most recently, it's been rear brake bits, so 
>>> that I can use the lovely Sturmey Archer AM hub. But then, I take it out 
>>> for a climbing ride (it weighs under 18 lb), and I am once again convinced 
>>> that it would be foolish to alter it.
>>>
>>> Perhaps your dilemma is like this one. Me, I'd install V brakes and 
>>> Compass tires before I did anything else. The tires would do well on a Sam 
>>> Hill should you finally go that route.
>>>
>>> FWIW, I delight in taking the gofast, with Compass Elk Pass tires that 
>>> measure just under 28 mm on the skinny rims, on the less neglected of our 
>>> Rio Grand bosque acequia access trails. I admit to shivers of self 
>>> importance when, as I did just recently, pulled off the paved trail, 
>>> carried the bike across the motor vehicle barrier, set it down next to a 
>>> couple cyclocross riders, got on, and road off in the 76" fixed gear with 
>>> the single brake and 175 gram tires. I know, sorry.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 10:06 AM, Christopher Cote <
>>> christophe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Patrick! I do have a set of V-brakes and Tektro RL520 levers 
 that I bought in a last-ditch effort to want to keep the bike. I haven't 
 gotten around to installing them yet, as I've been enjoying my mountain 
 bikes more this summer. I've also been eyeing the Compass 700x38mm tires, 
 whatever they're called. Currently the bike is shod with some 40mm WTB 
 Nanos that actually measure 37mm wide. I put them on for a "gravel" ride I 
 did earlier this summer and haven't bothered to take them off since they 
 ride surprisingly 

[RBW] FS: Jones loop H bars 710 with grips and brake levelers

[Richard Rios]

Sale pending...

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[RBW] Re: FREE goodwill gesture: A one-of-a-kind A. Homer Hilsen coffeemug

[Joe Bernard]

Does it plane?

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Re: [RBW] XL frames and 650b experiences

[Abcyclehank]

David your frequent messages about the Redwood has been one of my main 
inspirations.  Glad I stopped bidding against you for it, I benefitted from 
losing.

Miss Ryan, I agree that tragic is much better than fatal when discussing 
accidents of any kind: whether people, bike or cars are involved.  Steel bikes  
usually repairable, people rehabilitated, newer cars written off by insurance 
companies.

Are 47cm chain stays longer than normal.  I have Clem like spacing between 
wheel and seat tube?

Ryan Hankinson
Muskegon Michigan

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[RBW] 64 orange Rambouillet

[alan lavine]

Now on e-Bay.

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[RBW] Re: FREE goodwill gesture: A one-of-a-kind A. Homer Hilsen coffeemug

[Irving]

Bill, some important questions:

What type of clay did you use for this coffee mug?

How many ounces of coffee (or other liquids) has this mug seen over it's 
lifetime?

Do you have any geo charts or measurements from MugCAD?

The cup specifies that the mug is 650b, but is it compatible with 700c or 
26in lifestyles as well?

How would you compare the mouth or lip feel of said mug compared to off the 
rack offerings?


On Monday, November 7, 2016 at 11:57:23 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I used to own a 58cm 650B A Homer Hilsen.  When I did own it, I made a 
> coffeemug at the local DIY Ceramics studio.  As an ex-Hilsen owner, I feel 
> kind of like a poser using it.  So, it's offered for free to whoever claims 
> it.  It's 6 years old, and it's a little faded but not chipped.  Here's a 
> photo-album from 2010 when I made it.  
>
> Flickr album 
> 
>
> Hopefully the person who claims it actually owns a 650B A Homer Hilsen, 
> but whatever
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito CA
>
> P.S. I sold it because I wanted to replace it with two bikes: a 
> weight-weenie 650B brevet bike, plus a sturdy 650B touring bike.  
>

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[RBW] Re: New purple custom mixte - not mine but nice Minnesota Viking purple

[Joe Bernard]

I love the long stays on my Appaloosa. I couldn't tell ya how they affect the 
ride - it rides great, like every Riv I've owned - but the stretched look gives 
it a chopper vibe for me. I'd love to put a rod-operated "suicide shifter" 
front detailer on it ;-)

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[RBW] Help me pick my second Rivendell!

[Surlyprof]

My dream is to own a 650b Hunq for trails and most other uses and a Roadeo for 
road riding.  I've split the difference with a Hillborne because I believe the 
other dream is financially out of reach for me (and I love my Hillborne). 
You've got the Hunqapillar, why not cover the other end of the spectrum with a 
Roadeo?

John

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[RBW] Re: Help me pick my second Rivendell!

[dougP]

My inclination would be to go for the Roadeo.  That would give you each end 
of the Rivendell spectrum, with virtually zero overlap.  You mention nice 
Ultegra parts on the Soma, so build a Roadeo with that & sell of the too 
small frame.  

dougP

On Monday, November 7, 2016 at 7:54:02 AM UTC-8, John G. wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm the proud and delighted owner of a 58 cm Hunqapillar. Some of my best 
> days ever have been on that bike. I'm fortunate enough to be able pull 
> together the money for second Rivendell, but I'd like some advice.
>
> My stable:
> 58 cm Hunq. Love it.
> 60 cm 1980 Mercian Superlight: also love this, but it's getting long in 
> the tooth and I want to be gentle with it.
> 58 cm Soma Smoothie: the black sheep. It has some very nice Ultegra 
> components on it, but it's really just too small, and I never ride it.
>
> So, a few questions for the bunch:
> 1. I'm looking for a nimble bike for roads. Not a lot of gravel in my part 
> of the northeast, and the Hunq has that covered, anyway. *What Rivendell 
> best fits my needs in the context of my stable?*
> 2. I don't need 4 bikes. Should I part out the Smoothie and use it to 
> build up a new bike, or should I sell the complete bike?
>
> All advice appreciated.
>

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Re: [RBW] FREE goodwill gesture: A one-of-a-kind A. Homer Hilsen coffeemug

[dougP]

Re-uniting the mug with the bike that inspired it would be cool.  Hopefully 
the current owner will chime in quickly.

dougP

On Monday, November 7, 2016 at 12:18:42 PM UTC-8, Jeff wrote:
>
> The gent who currently cares for your Hilsen, Chris, is on the list I 
> believe. I gave it its first home away from home and sent it back to the 
> left coast a few months back for Chris to have a turn.
>
> On Monday, November 7, 2016, Bill Lindsay  
> wrote:
>
>> I used to own a 58cm 650B A Homer Hilsen.  When I did own it, I made a 
>> coffeemug at the local DIY Ceramics studio.  As an ex-Hilsen owner, I feel 
>> kind of like a poser using it.  So, it's offered for free to whoever claims 
>> it.  It's 6 years old, and it's a little faded but not chipped.  Here's a 
>> photo-album from 2010 when I made it.  
>>
>> Flickr album 
>> 
>>
>> Hopefully the person who claims it actually owns a 650B A Homer Hilsen, 
>> but whatever
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito CA
>>
>> P.S. I sold it because I wanted to replace it with two bikes: a 
>> weight-weenie 650B brevet bike, plus a sturdy 650B touring bike.  
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Re: [RBW] FREE goodwill gesture: A one-of-a-kind A. Homer Hilsen coffeemug

[Jeff Lesperance]

The gent who currently cares for your Hilsen, Chris, is on the list I
believe. I gave it its first home away from home and sent it back to the
left coast a few months back for Chris to have a turn.

On Monday, November 7, 2016, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> I used to own a 58cm 650B A Homer Hilsen.  When I did own it, I made a
> coffeemug at the local DIY Ceramics studio.  As an ex-Hilsen owner, I feel
> kind of like a poser using it.  So, it's offered for free to whoever claims
> it.  It's 6 years old, and it's a little faded but not chipped.  Here's a
> photo-album from 2010 when I made it.
>
> Flickr album
> 
>
> Hopefully the person who claims it actually owns a 650B A Homer Hilsen,
> but whatever
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito CA
>
> P.S. I sold it because I wanted to replace it with two bikes: a
> weight-weenie 650B brevet bike, plus a sturdy 650B touring bike.
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[RBW] FREE goodwill gesture: A one-of-a-kind A. Homer Hilsen coffeemug

[Bill Lindsay]

I used to own a 58cm 650B A Homer Hilsen.  When I did own it, I made a 
coffeemug at the local DIY Ceramics studio.  As an ex-Hilsen owner, I feel 
kind of like a poser using it.  So, it's offered for free to whoever claims 
it.  It's 6 years old, and it's a little faded but not chipped.  Here's a 
photo-album from 2010 when I made it.  

Flickr album 


Hopefully the person who claims it actually owns a 650B A Homer Hilsen, but 
whatever

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito CA

P.S. I sold it because I wanted to replace it with two bikes: a 
weight-weenie 650B brevet bike, plus a sturdy 650B touring bike.  

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[RBW] Re: New purple custom mixte - not mine but nice Minnesota Viking purple

[Ryan Fleming]

That's a nice way to put it...now that you put it that way, Bill...whatever 
I get I'm sure I'll love it. I imagine those stays will make the ride 
luxurious.

On Monday, November 7, 2016 at 12:56:04 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Eric summarized:  "The long stays scream "beach cruiser" to me. "
>
> I agree!  That bike looks like it should be ridden joyfully by somebody 
> who wants to smile.  Somebody who wants to feel the way they felt on their 
> very first bike.  That's a joyful looking bike.  
>
> It neither surprises nor bothers me that people who want to have more of a 
> stern bike-face, and want to eke out 'measurable benefits' from their 
> cycling experience, might have issues understanding an expensive bike that 
> looks like a beach cruiser.  
>
> Either way, I hope everyone gets what they are after out of their bicycles
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, November 7, 2016 at 10:34:46 AM UTC-8, Eric wrote:
>>
>> For me, aesthetically the long chainstays don't work. If there's no 
>> measurable benefit them then I don't get it.
>>
>> My former Atlantis looked right. My girl's Betty Foy looks spot on.
>>
>> The long stays scream "beach cruiser" to me. 
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Help me pick my second Rivendell!

[Bill Lindsay]

I have a couple thoughts on this.  As you know, the roadish Rivendells are 
the Roadeo, the Hilsen and the Hillborne.  I'd say the Hillborne fits most 
like a Hunqapillar, but maybe it's not sporty enough for you.  The Hilsen 
is lovely and sleek but still takes a ~40mm tire.  The Roadeo is most like 
a road bike.  

If you don't know for sure, and wanted to give yourself a mega-extended 
test ride before deciding, consider the Road frame from Black Mountain 
Cycles.  It's $595 and is functionally equivalent to a Roadeo.  It's 
painted in homage to Eddy Merckx Molteni team bikes.  You could even flesh 
out your complete Roadeo build kit.  Ride that for a season, and decide if 
you for sure want a Roadeo, or maybe decide that you'd rather go Hilsen. 
 For $595, consider it a rental.  Turn around and sell it for $350 after a 
year and your "cost" is about 10% of your Roadeo anyway.  Or keep it as a 
guest bike.  It's the deal of the century at $595 (I have two of them). 
 The Roadeo is definitely a nicer bike and is way way prettier, and is 
MUSA, and I love Rivendell like family.  So only take the BMC route if you 
need help deciding.  

Give Mike Varley a call at Black Mountain Cycles.  He will hook you up.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, November 7, 2016 at 7:54:02 AM UTC-8, John G. wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm the proud and delighted owner of a 58 cm Hunqapillar. Some of my best 
> days ever have been on that bike. I'm fortunate enough to be able pull 
> together the money for second Rivendell, but I'd like some advice.
>
> My stable:
> 58 cm Hunq. Love it.
> 60 cm 1980 Mercian Superlight: also love this, but it's getting long in 
> the tooth and I want to be gentle with it.
> 58 cm Soma Smoothie: the black sheep. It has some very nice Ultegra 
> components on it, but it's really just too small, and I never ride it.
>
> So, a few questions for the bunch:
> 1. I'm looking for a nimble bike for roads. Not a lot of gravel in my part 
> of the northeast, and the Hunq has that covered, anyway. *What Rivendell 
> best fits my needs in the context of my stable?*
> 2. I don't need 4 bikes. Should I part out the Smoothie and use it to 
> build up a new bike, or should I sell the complete bike?
>
> All advice appreciated.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Help me pick my second Rivendell!

[Patrick Moore]

+1 -- good selection of choices. My own first choice would be the Roadeo.

On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 9:49 AM, Sky Coulter  wrote:

> I'd think Roadeo, Legolas, or less expensively, a used Rambouillet,
> Romulus or Soma San Marcos.
>
> Sky in new west
>
>
> On Monday, November 7, 2016 at 7:54:02 AM UTC-8, John G. wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I'm the proud and delighted owner of a 58 cm Hunqapillar. Some of my best
>> days ever have been on that bike. I'm fortunate enough to be able pull
>> together the money for second Rivendell, but I'd like some advice.
>>
>> My stable:
>> 58 cm Hunq. Love it.
>> 60 cm 1980 Mercian Superlight: also love this, but it's getting long in
>> the tooth and I want to be gentle with it.
>> 58 cm Soma Smoothie: the black sheep. It has some very nice Ultegra
>> components on it, but it's really just too small, and I never ride it.
>>
>> So, a few questions for the bunch:
>> 1. I'm looking for a nimble bike for roads. Not a lot of gravel in my
>> part of the northeast, and the Hunq has that covered, anyway. *What
>> Rivendell best fits my needs in the context of my stable?*
>> 2. I don't need 4 bikes. Should I part out the Smoothie and use it to
>> build up a new bike, or should I sell the complete bike?
>>
>> All advice appreciated.
>>
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Re: [RBW] XL frames and 650b experiences

[Ryan Fleming]

Well...I sincerely  hope that you, at least,  are OK, but that is too bad 
about your bike. I hope it is tragic accident  and not  a fatal one for 
your bike

Ryan  in Winnipeg who now knows  she has  compression fracture of a lower 
vertebra and with  our lovely November is making do with walking and not 
riding yet. But the X0-1 appears to be fine

On Sunday, November 6, 2016 at 5:47:36 PM UTC-6, Andrew Patteson wrote:
>
>
>
> 
>
> Here's my 1983 Trek 600.  It had a tragic encounter with a curb a few 
> weeks after this was taken :(
>
> Go for it!  Most issues can be worked out or around but really long cranks 
> might be a problem.
>
> Andrew in SLC
>
> On Sunday, November 6, 2016 at 1:19:50 PM UTC-7, Abcyclehank wrote:
>>
>> Eric 
>> Both of these examples are beautiful.  Provided a ton of potential 
>> answers.  Areas of concern currently are brake issues but I have a set of 
>> Silvers, and am willing to modify if necessary (although looks fine during 
>> mock up).  Bottom bracket drop also is a potential concern asI generally 
>> run 180mm-200mm cranks.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ryan Hankinson
>>
>> Follow up thought... Is it possible to convert a bike with 
>> canti-brakes?
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Help me pick my second Rivendell!

[adam leibow]

check out A Homer Hilsen, for sure!! I had one and it was the perfect 
complement to my Hunqapillar, but it was the wrong size so I sold it!. 

On Monday, November 7, 2016 at 7:54:02 AM UTC-8, John G. wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm the proud and delighted owner of a 58 cm Hunqapillar. Some of my best 
> days ever have been on that bike. I'm fortunate enough to be able pull 
> together the money for second Rivendell, but I'd like some advice.
>
> My stable:
> 58 cm Hunq. Love it.
> 60 cm 1980 Mercian Superlight: also love this, but it's getting long in 
> the tooth and I want to be gentle with it.
> 58 cm Soma Smoothie: the black sheep. It has some very nice Ultegra 
> components on it, but it's really just too small, and I never ride it.
>
> So, a few questions for the bunch:
> 1. I'm looking for a nimble bike for roads. Not a lot of gravel in my part 
> of the northeast, and the Hunq has that covered, anyway. *What Rivendell 
> best fits my needs in the context of my stable?*
> 2. I don't need 4 bikes. Should I part out the Smoothie and use it to 
> build up a new bike, or should I sell the complete bike?
>
> All advice appreciated.
>

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[RBW] Re: New purple custom mixte - not mine but nice Minnesota Viking purple

[Ryan Fleming]

I'm kinda hoping mine aren't excessively long...like I get that the mixte 
will ride differently but...we'll see what we get

On Monday, November 7, 2016 at 12:34:46 PM UTC-6, Eric wrote:
>
> For me, aesthetically the long chainstays don't work. If there's no 
> measurable benefit them then I don't get it.
>
> My former Atlantis looked right. My girl's Betty Foy looks spot on.
>
> The long stays scream "beach cruiser" to me. 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New purple custom mixte - not mine but nice Minnesota Viking purple

[Bill Lindsay]

Eric summarized:  "The long stays scream "beach cruiser" to me. "

I agree!  That bike looks like it should be ridden joyfully by somebody who 
wants to smile.  Somebody who wants to feel the way they felt on their very 
first bike.  That's a joyful looking bike.  

It neither surprises nor bothers me that people who want to have more of a 
stern bike-face, and want to eke out 'measurable benefits' from their 
cycling experience, might have issues understanding an expensive bike that 
looks like a beach cruiser.  

Either way, I hope everyone gets what they are after out of their bicycles

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, November 7, 2016 at 10:34:46 AM UTC-8, Eric wrote:
>
> For me, aesthetically the long chainstays don't work. If there's no 
> measurable benefit them then I don't get it.
>
> My former Atlantis looked right. My girl's Betty Foy looks spot on.
>
> The long stays scream "beach cruiser" to me. 
>
>
>

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RE: [RBW] Schwalbe Smart Sam 29 x 2.1 on Clem Smith / Clementine 59 cm

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Just saw this, so you may long ago have gotten an answer, but… I am in the 
process of building up a Clementine 59 with Schwalbe Big Ones (29 X 2.35), and 
there is more than ample room.  So I'm sure the somewhat smaller Smart Sams 
would fit easily.

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Subject: [RBW] Schwalbe Smart Sam 29 x 2.1 on Clem Smith / Clementine 59 cm

Has anyone tried this combination? Is there adequate clearance fore and aft?

Thanks!
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[RBW] Re: New purple custom mixte - not mine but nice Minnesota Viking purple

[Eric]

For me, aesthetically the long chainstays don't work. If there's no 
measurable benefit them then I don't get it.

My former Atlantis looked right. My girl's Betty Foy looks spot on.

The long stays scream "beach cruiser" to me. 


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Re: [RBW] Re: Show me your Legolas

[Patrick Moore]

So, possibly 42s without fenders? That's more than I had thought.

On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 9:47 AM, reynoldslugs  wrote:

> Patrick:
>
> Mine has 38 mm Compass Barlow Pass tires, and looks to have plenty of room
> for fenders.
>
> On Sunday, November 6, 2016 at 11:35:41 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Both are very nice looking bikes, but that Legolas is particularly
>> pretty, and a very becoming combination of retro and new. How wide a tire
>> will the Legolas take without fenders?
>>
>>
>>
> Max
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[RBW] Re: Atlantis

[masmojo]

Sure,
http://smg.photobucket.com/user/masmojo/media/20160930_181152_zpsdevdxsqz.jpg.html

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[RBW] Clem Smith Jr with Alternate Handlebars? - Choco-moose

[masmojo]

http://smg.photobucket.com/user/masmojo/media/20160513_080716_zpsjvxvvvwo.jpg.html

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Re: [RBW] Re: Show me your Legolas

[Call Me Jay]

Mark at Riv thought that the new 38 Compass knobbies would fit.  

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[RBW] Re: Show me your Legolas

[jeffrey kane]

Elfin Green, man ... somewhere in the "spring green / "bright olive" family 
sounds right to me. Creamy head tubes work with nearly everything, of 
course, but I wouldn't rule out Sky Blue with the green idea, either (!)

On Saturday, November 5, 2016 at 7:46:49 PM UTC-4, Call Me Jay wrote:
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> I have one on order but can't decide on a color.  Inspiration wanted. 
>  Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: Help me pick my second Rivendell!

[Eric Karnes]

I would go with a Roadeo frame and move the parts from the Smoothie over. 
It's a really wonderful frame. If you want to spend a bit less, wait for a 
Rambouillet to come up in your size. Or on the mysterious new Roadini...

Eric


On Monday, November 7, 2016 at 10:54:02 AM UTC-5, John G. wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm the proud and delighted owner of a 58 cm Hunqapillar. Some of my best 
> days ever have been on that bike. I'm fortunate enough to be able pull 
> together the money for second Rivendell, but I'd like some advice.
>
> My stable:
> 58 cm Hunq. Love it.
> 60 cm 1980 Mercian Superlight: also love this, but it's getting long in 
> the tooth and I want to be gentle with it.
> 58 cm Soma Smoothie: the black sheep. It has some very nice Ultegra 
> components on it, but it's really just too small, and I never ride it.
>
> So, a few questions for the bunch:
> 1. I'm looking for a nimble bike for roads. Not a lot of gravel in my part 
> of the northeast, and the Hunq has that covered, anyway. *What Rivendell 
> best fits my needs in the context of my stable?*
> 2. I don't need 4 bikes. Should I part out the Smoothie and use it to 
> build up a new bike, or should I sell the complete bike?
>
> All advice appreciated.
>

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Re: [RBW] Heine Heron, Petersen Heron, and other Heron models?

[islaysteve]

Thanks Max. No hurry at all, it's pretty academic at this point, but the 
bars do look nice. 
Steve


On Monday, November 7, 2016 at 11:45:58 AM UTC-5, reynoldslugs wrote:
>
> Steve, those are Nitto bars.  Can't remember the numerical designation, 
> will look at them tonight.
>
> On Monday, November 7, 2016 at 4:56:43 AM UTC-8, islaysteve wrote:
>>
>> Nice job, Max.  Your cockpit may be a model for a future iteration of my 
>> bike.  May I ask what bars are those?
>> Thanks, Steve
>>
>>
>>
>> Max 
>

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[RBW] Clem Smith Jr with Alternate Handlebars? - Choco-moose

[masmojo]

I test rode a Clem Jr. In Walnut Creek with Alba's & I enjoyed it immensely; I 
built my Clementine with Boscos, but even after going from an 80mm stem to a 
100mm one they were too long.
On a whim I swapped in a set of 80's aluminum cruiser bars  (Laguna?) and I 
have been happy ever since. I would recommend them, but they are long out of 
production and impossible to find. Last set I saw on ebay was going for  
$200
Still, I think there could be  something better so I am keeping my eyes open!

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[RBW] Re: headset adjustment

[Garth]

   Get a good 32mm headest wrench !  Park's tool precision , aka quality 
control(meaning the tool fits snug), is all over the place. Maybe Pedros 
would be better for a first time buyer .  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Show me your Legolas

[reynoldslugs]

Patrick:

Mine has 38 mm Compass Barlow Pass tires, and looks to have plenty of room 
for fenders.

On Sunday, November 6, 2016 at 11:35:41 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Both are very nice looking bikes, but that Legolas is particularly pretty, 
> and a very becoming combination of retro and new. How wide a tire will the 
> Legolas take without fenders?
>
>
>
Max 

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[RBW] Re: Help me pick my second Rivendell!

[Richard Rios]

How about wait for the new Riv single speed that is coming out or used 
quickbeam / simpleone.  Ever one should have a one speeder for fun and 
challenge.  Looks to me like your other bases are pretty well covered.  

On Monday, November 7, 2016 at 7:54:02 AM UTC-8, John G. wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm the proud and delighted owner of a 58 cm Hunqapillar. Some of my best 
> days ever have been on that bike. I'm fortunate enough to be able pull 
> together the money for second Rivendell, but I'd like some advice.
>
> My stable:
> 58 cm Hunq. Love it.
> 60 cm 1980 Mercian Superlight: also love this, but it's getting long in 
> the tooth and I want to be gentle with it.
> 58 cm Soma Smoothie: the black sheep. It has some very nice Ultegra 
> components on it, but it's really just too small, and I never ride it.
>
> So, a few questions for the bunch:
> 1. I'm looking for a nimble bike for roads. Not a lot of gravel in my part 
> of the northeast, and the Hunq has that covered, anyway. *What Rivendell 
> best fits my needs in the context of my stable?*
> 2. I don't need 4 bikes. Should I part out the Smoothie and use it to 
> build up a new bike, or should I sell the complete bike?
>
> All advice appreciated.
>

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[RBW] Re: Help me pick my second Rivendell!

[Sky Coulter]

I'd think Roadeo, Legolas, or less expensively, a used Rambouillet, Romulus 
or Soma San Marcos.

Sky in new west


On Monday, November 7, 2016 at 7:54:02 AM UTC-8, John G. wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm the proud and delighted owner of a 58 cm Hunqapillar. Some of my best 
> days ever have been on that bike. I'm fortunate enough to be able pull 
> together the money for second Rivendell, but I'd like some advice.
>
> My stable:
> 58 cm Hunq. Love it.
> 60 cm 1980 Mercian Superlight: also love this, but it's getting long in 
> the tooth and I want to be gentle with it.
> 58 cm Soma Smoothie: the black sheep. It has some very nice Ultegra 
> components on it, but it's really just too small, and I never ride it.
>
> So, a few questions for the bunch:
> 1. I'm looking for a nimble bike for roads. Not a lot of gravel in my part 
> of the northeast, and the Hunq has that covered, anyway. *What Rivendell 
> best fits my needs in the context of my stable?*
> 2. I don't need 4 bikes. Should I part out the Smoothie and use it to 
> build up a new bike, or should I sell the complete bike?
>
> All advice appreciated.
>

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Re: [RBW] Heine Heron, Petersen Heron, and other Heron models?

[reynoldslugs]

Steve, those are Nitto bars.  Can't remember the numerical designation, 
will look at them tonight.

On Monday, November 7, 2016 at 4:56:43 AM UTC-8, islaysteve wrote:
>
> Nice job, Max.  Your cockpit may be a model for a future iteration of my 
> bike.  May I ask what bars are those?
> Thanks, Steve
>
>
>
> Max 

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[RBW] Re: headset adjustment

[Jim S.]

thanks for the info!

On Sunday, November 6, 2016 at 12:19:10 PM UTC-6, Jim S. wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I was going to attempt a headset adjustment, which I've never done. I need 
> to buy two wrenches to do the job. It's probably obvious to others, but I 
> can't figure out what size wrench to buy to adjust the headsets on my 
> Rivendells. Are they all going to be 32 mm? That appears to be the most 
> common size. 
>
> Thanks in advance for any answers.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Help me pick my second Rivendell!

[Ryan Fleming]

Sounds like a Roadeo would work

On Monday, November 7, 2016 at 9:54:02 AM UTC-6, John G. wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm the proud and delighted owner of a 58 cm Hunqapillar. Some of my best 
> days ever have been on that bike. I'm fortunate enough to be able pull 
> together the money for second Rivendell, but I'd like some advice.
>
> My stable:
> 58 cm Hunq. Love it.
> 60 cm 1980 Mercian Superlight: also love this, but it's getting long in 
> the tooth and I want to be gentle with it.
> 58 cm Soma Smoothie: the black sheep. It has some very nice Ultegra 
> components on it, but it's really just too small, and I never ride it.
>
> So, a few questions for the bunch:
> 1. I'm looking for a nimble bike for roads. Not a lot of gravel in my part 
> of the northeast, and the Hunq has that covered, anyway. *What Rivendell 
> best fits my needs in the context of my stable?*
> 2. I don't need 4 bikes. Should I part out the Smoothie and use it to 
> build up a new bike, or should I sell the complete bike?
>
> All advice appreciated.
>

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[RBW] Re: Help me pick my second Rivendell!

[Will]

Riv has a demo Roadeo that looks like a good size and function fit:  
http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/f-roadeo-wsf1.htm


On Monday, November 7, 2016 at 9:54:02 AM UTC-6, John G. wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm the proud and delighted owner of a 58 cm Hunqapillar. Some of my best 
> days ever have been on that bike. I'm fortunate enough to be able pull 
> together the money for second Rivendell, but I'd like some advice.
>
> My stable:
> 58 cm Hunq. Love it.
> 60 cm 1980 Mercian Superlight: also love this, but it's getting long in 
> the tooth and I want to be gentle with it.
> 58 cm Soma Smoothie: the black sheep. It has some very nice Ultegra 
> components on it, but it's really just too small, and I never ride it.
>
> So, a few questions for the bunch:
> 1. I'm looking for a nimble bike for roads. Not a lot of gravel in my part 
> of the northeast, and the Hunq has that covered, anyway. *What Rivendell 
> best fits my needs in the context of my stable?*
> 2. I don't need 4 bikes. Should I part out the Smoothie and use it to 
> build up a new bike, or should I sell the complete bike?
>
> All advice appreciated.
>

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[RBW] Help me pick my second Rivendell!

[John G.]

Hi everyone,

I'm the proud and delighted owner of a 58 cm Hunqapillar. Some of my best 
days ever have been on that bike. I'm fortunate enough to be able pull 
together the money for second Rivendell, but I'd like some advice.

My stable:
58 cm Hunq. Love it.
60 cm 1980 Mercian Superlight: also love this, but it's getting long in the 
tooth and I want to be gentle with it.
58 cm Soma Smoothie: the black sheep. It has some very nice Ultegra 
components on it, but it's really just too small, and I never ride it.

So, a few questions for the bunch:
1. I'm looking for a nimble bike for roads. Not a lot of gravel in my part 
of the northeast, and the Hunq has that covered, anyway. *What Rivendell 
best fits my needs in the context of my stable?*
2. I don't need 4 bikes. Should I part out the Smoothie and use it to build 
up a new bike, or should I sell the complete bike?

All advice appreciated.

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[RBW] Re: XL frames and 650b experiences

[jim]

Wow your Redwood conversion makes me want to do the same to my Pacer.

Jim (laid off in Madison, WI)


On Sunday, November 6, 2016 at 8:55:59 PM UTC-6, David Banzer wrote:
>
> I've done a lot of 650b conversions, just have one right now. 
> 65cm Riv Redwood. 
> Fits WTB Horizons and fenders. 
> Some Rock n Roads would be a possibility too. 
> I'm going to try some 750 centerpulls for fun, but Telford have worked 
> okay. 
> David
> River Grove, IL
>
> On Sunday, November 6, 2016 at 8:39:59 AM UTC-6, Abcyclehank wrote:
> > Just completed my fleet by purchasing a Joe/Joe 68cm Riv Custom 
> frameset.  Considering a 650b build possibly due to severe overlap of ride 
> options.  Plan to reconfigure the 68cm Atlantis and 64cm Bombadil also. 
> Will constitute my winter projects here during an uncertain Michigan 
> winter.  Currently 60 degrees on Nov. 6th, loving the extended fall riding 
> season.  Not even thinking about hanging up the classics and dragging out 
> the XXL Moonlander yet.
> > 
> > What specific experiences have fellow listers had with conversions?
> > 
> > Ryan Hankinson
> > West Michigan
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Retroshift 1x10 Shifter Set and Retroshift Burd RD

[Steve Palincsar]

There is no single shifter that will work with *any 10spd Shimano 
derailleur. *10 speed Shimano road shifters are compatible with 10 speed 
Shimano road rear derailleurs and 8/9 speed Shimano MTB rear 
derailleurs.  10 and 11 speed Shimano MTB rear derailleurs have a 
different cable pull and require an adapter such as the Wolftooth TanPan 
to correct the cable pull.



On 11/06/2016 08:17 PM, Geeter wrote:

Price adjustment:  $125 Shipped

On Sunday, November 6, 2016 at 8:34:27 AM UTC-6, Geeter wrote:

This shifter setup has only a few hundred miles on it.

 The shifters use Shimano pull ratio so will work with any 10spd
Shimano derailleur as far as I know. Same goes for the RD - should
work with any 10spd Shimano shifters.

Asking $140 Shipped

email me off the board for info!

-Dave


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[RBW] Re: FS: Retroshift 1x10 Shifter Set and Retroshift Burd RD

[Geeter]

Price adjustment:  $125 Shipped

On Sunday, November 6, 2016 at 8:34:27 AM UTC-6, Geeter wrote:
>
> This shifter setup has only a few hundred miles on it. 
>
>  The shifters use Shimano pull ratio so will work with any 10spd Shimano 
> derailleur as far as I know. Same goes for the RD - should work with any 
> 10spd Shimano shifters.
>
> Asking $140 Shipped
>
> email me off the board for info!
>
> -Dave
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Heine Heron, Petersen Heron, and other Heron models?

[islaysteve]

Nice job, Max.  Your cockpit may be a model for a future iteration of my 
bike.  May I ask what bars are those?
Thanks, Steve


On Sunday, November 6, 2016 at 7:20:00 PM UTC-5, reynoldslugs wrote:
>
> Road Heron was the first bike I got from Rivendell, 1990-something.  The 
> bike lives on as a 650b.  Lotta good miles on this one:
>
> https://flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/sets/72157642068014924
>
> Max Beach
> Santa Rosa Ca
>
>

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