[RBW] WTB: 700c front wheel dynamo

[Patch T]

Hi Bunch,

The QB would like some dyno. Looking for 700 32 hole with something like an 
SP, used but with life.

Thanks and love,
Patch
LACA


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[RBW] Re: Rivet Pearl or C17 Carved

[Bill in Roswell GA]

Jay, a bike tour of Israel would be awsome! Especially the coast and 
highlands. I'm a bit of a naturalist nut, rare plants and all, great way to 
find by bike (such as Forest Service roads in the USA). My buddy Ben did 
most of Israel by bike until he had dinner one night before he had found 
lodging. After dinner, he walked over to the pension to check in, got a 
room key. Washed up a bit and then headed back down to the cafe where he 
left the bike. Turns out, all that was left was the frame, the cable and 
the lock. All in less than 10 minutes. Fortunately being a regular 
traveler, Ben had travel insurance. He is considering a Moulton for future 
travels so he can fold it up and keep it with him! 

Cheers to anyone traveling by back as a litestyle choice. I'm especially 
good at riding onto ferries and trains. 

Cheers,
Bill in Roswell, GA

On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 9:51:55 AM UTC-5, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>
> I have a Rivet on my Sam and a not carved C17 on the Brompton.
> I like them both, but I like the Rivet better. If you make it to Tel Aviv 
> you're welcome to try them out.
>
> Jay
>
>
> On Sunday, March 5, 2017 at 7:51:40 PM UTC+2, Stuart Lovinggood wrote:
>>
>> If there's an opportunity to try out the Rivet I'd say go for it. I have 
>> a carved C17 and while it's probably the best vegan saddle I've come 
>> across, it's far from as magic as I would have hoped it to be. 
>>
>> On Saturday, March 4, 2017 at 3:25:48 PM UTC-6, Surlyprof wrote:
>>>
>>> I need to get a new saddle and want to get one with a cutout.  Narrowed 
>>> it down to the Rivet Pearl and the Brooks C17 Carved.  Anyone have any 
>>> thoughts and opinions regarding the pros and cons of these saddles?  Would 
>>> love to get some personal experiences before I plunk down the cash.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> John
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Rivet Pearl or C17 Carved

[Bill in Roswell GA]

Jeff, the cracking nose on the Cambiums seems to be associated with the 
first production run according to the local shop dealer. All the ones 
they've sold the past year have been fine so far. 

I tried a C17 and liked it pretty well. It wasn't as comfortable as my late 
80s B17 Narrow (the thick leather version). The Cambiums do seem to run a 
bit narrower than the number would indicate compared to the B17. Maybe a 
C19 Carved would do the trick. The most compelling reason for me to get a 
Cambium is due to prodeal pricing. 

By all accounts over the years, you can't go wrong with a Rivet. Nor can I 
get a prodeal on one! However, in this case absolute comfort wins out. 
There is a reason you rarely ever see used Rivets for sale! That speaks 
volumes about their integrity and comfort.

Cheers,
Bill in Roswell, GA

On Sunday, March 5, 2017 at 10:03:08 AM UTC-5, Jeff wrote:
>
> I've not tried the Rivet Pearl. I've professed my love for the C17 carved 
> here and on the iBob list a few times. My previous saddle of choice was the 
> B17n (narrow) whereas the B17 was too wide, so, I'd say compare the widths 
> first with any other saddles you currently ride. I believe the C17 is a bit 
> narrower than the Pearl. If you're sensitive to width, the decision may be 
> made for you.
>
> After finding nirvana with the Cambium C17 carved, I have gone back and 
> carved one of my B17n's, and it's a better saddle now as well - the cutout 
> improves an already great saddled.
>
> So... cutout = good. If width for either = good for you, it comes down to 
> materials and/or construction maybe. 
>
> I've found in my personal experience that the C17 carved flexes just 
> enough, just like a well broken in Brooks saddle - not an over-used 
> too-broken-in saddle. What the C17 doesn't do is flex or sag too much when 
> it gets wet from precipitation or from a long day or series of days of 
> being sweat upon. Sometimes, my B17n feels a bit saggy at the end of long, 
> hot days. When combined with my own fatigue, it can diminish my ride 
> enjoyment. I'd suspect that any leather saddle could behave in such a way - 
> at some point, too my wet = bad with leather saddles.
>
> I like that I don't have to think about precipitation at all with my C17. 
> I don't wear myself out thinking about such things with my leather saddles, 
> but I consider it and carry a saddle cover or shower cap for them when 
> there's chance of rain.
>
> I've heard feedback, on this list and iBob, that the C17 is prone to 
> cracking/splitting towards the nose of the saddle, near the frame support 
> there. I haven't experienced this at all, but it's possible that these have 
> a material durability problem.
>
> I have noticed what appears to be a decline in quality with Brooks leather 
> saddles over the past few years. If I were to look to purchase a leather 
> saddle, I'd look to the Rivet saddles, based on the positive feedback I've 
> seen here and on the iBob list.
>
> -Jeff
> Silver Spring, MD
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 4:25 PM, Surlyprof  > wrote:
>
>> I need to get a new saddle and want to get one with a cutout.  Narrowed 
>> it down to the Rivet Pearl and the Brooks C17 Carved.  Anyone have any 
>> thoughts and opinions regarding the pros and cons of these saddles?  Would 
>> love to get some personal experiences before I plunk down the cash.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> John
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Re: [RBW] Something French

[Bill in Roswell GA]

Hey Eric,
Beautiful bike, truly an iconic classic. 

One question having used bottle generators before: how is the tire going to 
hold up if the generator wheel isn't rolling on a gen specific track (such 
as Schwalbe and Michelin use). 

I used a B gen rolling on a Pasela and the tire wasn't too happy about 
it. 

The gen worked great, always worried about the tire.

Cheers,
Bill in Roswell, GA 

On Monday, March 13, 2017 at 11:08:45 PM UTC-4, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> There are people out there asking crazy prices for them.
>
> --Eric Norris
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>
> On Mar 13, 2017, at 4:47 PM, Belopsky  
> wrote:
>
> There was a Singer in my size for sale in California, I think it was..but 
> I believe the asking price was $6k
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[RBW] Re: FS Tubus Airy Titanium rear rack

[Bruce Smitham]

The rack is sold

On Friday, March 17, 2017 at 8:34:47 AM UTC-7, Bruce Smitham wrote:
>
> New Tubus Airy Titanium rear rack. Worlds lightest rack. I thought I 
> would be keeping this but realized I just don't need it.  Mounted but never 
> used. 2 different rear seat stay struts lengths. One set was cut from 
> original 240mm to 170mm and the other 240mm were bent to fit my Salsa Vaya. 
> Includes all mounting hardware. Fits 26", 27.5", 29" & 700c wheels. $140 
> plus shipping CONUS.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bruce in San Diego
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[RBW] RBW Newsletter

[Joe Bernard]

Congrats, Philip. The green is the bomb diggity.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Various Shimano goodies - Dura Ace 7400, 600 Tri-color, and more

[Max S]

I'm potentially interested in the 600 shifters. How many speeds?.. Does the 
friction option work?..  

- Max 

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[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Max S]

I think I can relate to your original comment about freeing up mental space, 
which is at a premium for me, so going N-1 offers considerable merit, IMO. 
Also, I recently read Mari Kondo. And if pretending to be you, I would do this: 

- Find a good new home for the Bomba
- Find a new home for the newest Specialized 
- Find a new home for the Rom 
+ Get an Appaloosa and set up with dirt drops, fat tires, and a riser stem, 
fenderless, narrowest Q factor crank 2x. 
+ Get spare Compass EL tires for the Saluki. 
= Everything else stays the same 

DONE! 

Seems like this way you'd be covering 99.5% of the riding you actually do, 
still have a spare when a friend visits, generate a bit of cash for the bike 
slush fund. 

Just as an aside, I did an experiment: rode my then-newly-acquired, 58cm, 650b 
Ebisu exclusively for 1 year. Dirt roads. Smooth roads. Some off road. It was 
great. I was slower off-road than I'd be on a 29er, but oh well! I then got a 
second, light wheelset for it, and I think it could just ride this set up 99% 
of the time. My only wish would be to have an identical fender-less version for 
off-road or very fast rides with the faster of my riding buddies. Since I'm on 
a 58cm frame, I could just as well ride 700c. And I'm slowly getting to a 
Jobstian outlook on owning multiple bikes: it's just mentally, spatially, and 
financially too taxing to maintain a "fleet" beyond one or two frames, plus 
some spare components. 

- Heretically, Max in A2 

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[RBW] Re: Reminder: Rivendell Road Standard FS

[JohnS]

I use to own a Volvo 240, nice and boxy.

JohnS


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>
> Speaking of selling bikes … reminder that I’m trying to find a new home 
> for this very pretty Rivendell:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/campyonlyguy/albums/72157681347310655 
>
> Asking $1,450 shipped, but what the heck … make me a reasonable offer and 
> I’ll probably take it.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
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>
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[RBW] RBW Newsletter

[Philip Kim]

Ordered the green so glad I did

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Re: [RBW] RBW Newsletter

[James Warren]

Bag and Bolt Matcher?!

Wow

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 17, 2017, at 5:18 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
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> A blue saddlebag and bartube would be sweet on a blue joe. Ooh, and blue 
> chainring bolts. This could get ridiculous!
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[RBW] RBW Newsletter

[Joe Bernard]

A blue saddlebag and bartube would be sweet on a blue joe. Ooh, and blue 
chainring bolts. This could get ridiculous!

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[RBW] Re: Wide drops for loaded Hunqapillar

[sameness]

Hey Drew, if you want to give the Portolas a try, I have a pair just 
sitting there looking pretty but doing nothing, you're welcome to borrow 
them.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Friday, March 17, 2017 at 4:12:10 PM UTC-7, Austin ^ wrote:
>
> 56 cm Soma Portola bar is nice and seems to fit the specs. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[scott]

Touring bikes suffer from the pick-up truck syndrome. Some folks buy them for 
the potential of hauling a lot, but the actual amount they get used for the 
intended purpose is not worth the expense (both trucks and bikes). Your other 
bikes will probably suit light touring duty. When you are ready for epic 
touring, get a touring machine. That said, bike lust is a real thing that is 
hard to dissuade. Good luck!

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[RBW] RBW Newsletter

[scott]

Hi-ho silver! I was skeptical of that color based on the tube sample that they 
kicked around for a while, but I love it! Prolly ordering in the morning. Also, 
that blue fabric is something. Bag matchers good luck...

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[RBW] Wide drops for loaded Hunqapillar

[Stuart Lovinggood]

Have you seen the Leather-Bar from Crust? Should be back in stock in a month or 
two:  https://www.crustbikes.com/products/wide-load-bar?variant=28423107981

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[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Sky Coulter]

Thanks Ryan. Ya, I'm not completely fixated on the Appaloosa. Just a riv that I 
can use for touring. If it could double as a mtb and take drops, that'd be 
about perfect.  If I had a spare 3500 I'd be trying to convince Pudge to part 
with his Atlantis...or I'd be happy to go w a 56cm bombasky

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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborn

[Carla Waugh]

Thanks everyone for your help and wonderful ideas!! I decided to get a Rosco 
fatty Rode. I'm excited to have a Rivendell for the future.

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[RBW] Re: Wide drops for loaded Hunqapillar

[Austin ^]

56 cm Soma Portola bar is nice and seems to fit the specs. 

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[RBW] Re: Wide drops for loaded Hunqapillar

[Mattt]

When the crust leather bar becomes available again in April, I am going to try 
them out.  I have tried most handlebar configurations, might as well give the 
widest drop bars a shot.

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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborn

['Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Carla, I'm a bit late with a reply, but I have had two Sam Hillbornes. The 
first was a double TT 56cm, 2010 vintage - a tad bit too large for me. I 
used it for rough touring and was satisfied. But, I sold it and bought the 
beautiful black & cream 55 cm single TT and moved all components - 
including the 100mm stem and mustache bars - and added low rider racks up 
front. I love it! Still my touring / commuter. I'm 5'11" and weight about 
165-170 lbs. By the way, the workmanship and paint was much improved on the 
2015 model. The slight price bump between the two was well worth it for the 
cleaner appearance! Flickr 
album: https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72157656598945451

My vote: a BUY!

Paul in Midlothian, Va.

On Wednesday, March 8, 2017 at 7:18:50 PM UTC-5, Carla Waugh wrote:
>
> Hello Sam owners I'm thinking about purchasing a Sam for retirement partly 
> price mostly because it's a Rivendell and lugged. I have one other bike 
> it's a custom 650B and I know the Sam is a 700c. Ideas? Thoughts? Thanks

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[RBW] Re: Wide drops for loaded Hunqapillar

[Kieran J]

And I want a 52cm wide version of their Wild Honey Bar. Can we add that to 
the list of demands please? :-)

KJ


On Friday, March 17, 2017 at 6:06:44 PM UTC-4, Patch T wrote:
>
> Ya'll think that if enough of us email SimWorks they would maybe convince 
> Nitto to make a version of the RM-13 with 125 drop and add a 55 width?
>
> Seriously.
>
> Love,
> Patch
> LACA
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[RBW] RBW Newsletter

[Joe Bernard]

Green and silver Appaloosas, and a very cool new blue for Sackvilles. I don't 
need another saddlebag, but that blue biggy would look great on my blue joe. 
Want!

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[RBW] Re: Wide drops for loaded Hunqapillar

[drew]

Great idea!

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[RBW] Re: Wide drops for loaded Hunqapillar

[Patch T]

Ya'll think that if enough of us email SimWorks they would maybe convince 
Nitto to make a version of the RM-13 with 125 drop and add a 55 width?

Seriously.

Love,
Patch
LACA

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day: unpacking

[Jim Bronson]

Ya my other 2 are a 68 cm Road Standard or Custom from the 90s, converted
to 650B and a 68cm Redwood from the 04-06 range, both acquired used.  This
is my first new Rivendell.  I'm kind of geeking out about it, even though
it's not technically as nice as the others, there's something to be said
about being the first and only owner. ;)

Of course, I am already thinking about mods, and I haven't even gotten the
bike yet.  The fenders are in the box.  I'm looking at tires in the 40-50mm
range.

Besides carrying my toddler around, I have a mixed terrain 200K in mind for
this bike that my usual brevet bike (the Road Standard/Custom) is not well
suited to. This particular ride has about about a 6 mile stretch of soft
sand followed by hard rocks right before the turnaround, then you get to go
through it again the other direction.  I can only fit 38mm tires, tops, on
the RoadStd/Custom.  I tried it once and there was a lot of slideouts on
the sandy section, it was definitely touch and go with 38mm slicks.  That
left me fairly disappointed because other than that one rough section, it's
one of the nicest rides around this area.

I'm thinking maybe something like this would work well, or even the stock
tires.
http://www.wtb.com/products/riddler-45c
I need something that can get through the sand more confidently and not get
cut on the rocks but that won't be too much of a slog on pavement.

of course being an upright bar bike with largest gear of 38x12(?) it will
be a leisurely ride but one has 13.5 hours to finish a 200K.  All you need
is RFD, that being, Relentless Forward Direction...

On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Wally Estrella 
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> You are most welcome!
>
> NICE! Congrats!  I can relish that new bike.  Now can you ketchup? ;)
>
> I like big bikes! I push a 64 Atlantis and 64 Quickbeam.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, March 17, 2017 at 2:28:45 PM UTC-4, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Clem Smith Jr H Frame 65cm Mustard.
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/web-special-framesets-
>> and-bicycles/products/clem-smith-jr-h-style-complete
>>
>> Resistance became futile when they dropped the price $200.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Wally Estrella 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Oh and most importantlywhat's the new bike?
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[RBW] Re: RB-1 vs Rivendell

[Davey Two Shoes]

I almost bought the RB-1 with the dual plane fork. It was NOS and very 
pretty. Instead I built up a red/chrome '86 Pinarello Montello. That thing 
is the definition of a twitchy speed demon, but I love it when I crave 
excitement. Riding that bike is an event. Its flashier than an RB-1 and 
isn't attractive in the same way a Riv is but It is without a doubt a 
beautiful bike that stands up tall next to anything. I also ride a Salsa 
Vaya, which In my stable fills the role a sporty Rivendell road bike would 
but with a more modern, less visually stimulating approach. The Vaya is 
stable but fast and I use it on long or mellow rides. The two bikes have a 
decidedly different nature and purpose.

As such my interest in Rivendell is along their less sporty offerings.

My limited advice? Sell the Velo Orange Rando and go Riv. I think Those 
bikes likely have more in common. To me selling your RB-1 would be the same 
as if I sold my Pinarello, kept the Salsa and bought a sporty Riv. They'd 
compete between themselves for the same type of riding.

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[RBW] Re: My Rosco Road Fatty build

[Gabriel Bruguier]

Thank you, Bill!  Your informative posts on this frame (especially the PSA 
about the lifter tube!) were instrumental in my decision-making process, so 
I also want to thank you for that.

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Re: [RBW] Rosco Fatty Road

[dstein]

I got the 53cm, it's awesome. It's replaced my go fast road bike for the 
time being, still looking forward to how it does on trails (been super 
rainy on the west coast lately). I love it.

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> Gabriel thanks for the info. Your post is what brought the Rosco to my 
> attention! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day: unpacking

[Carla Waugh]

Congratulations!

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day: unpacking

[Wally Estrella]

You are most welcome!

NICE! Congrats!  I can relish that new bike.  Now can you ketchup? ;)

I like big bikes! I push a 64 Atlantis and 64 Quickbeam.





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> Thanks.
>
> Clem Smith Jr H Frame 65cm Mustard.
>
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/web-special-framesets-and-bicycles/products/clem-smith-jr-h-style-complete
>
> Resistance became futile when they dropped the price $200.
>
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>
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Re: [RBW] Rosco Fatty Road

[Carla Waugh]

Gabriel thanks for the info. Your post is what brought the Rosco to my 
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[RBW] Re: Wide drops for loaded Hunqapillar

[Deacon Patrick]

What if you ride the hoods? If they're too narrow for comfort, slide them 
outbound a wee bit? Or get those hood-like knobbies and put them in the 
curves?

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, March 17, 2017 at 12:02:27 PM UTC-6, drew wrote:
>
>  what i cant find on them is that position where the fatty part of my hand 
> can sit like it sits on hoods. if i could find that, you're right, it would 
> be perfect. 
>
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[RBW] Re: PSA: 56cm Quickbeam on eBay

[Pondero]

Congrats, Andrew!

As the delighted owner of a 56 Quickbeam (orange), I was following this 
thread with interest.  That silver looks mighty sharp, and I'd like to see 
how you personalize it.

Chris Johnson
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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day: unpacking

[Jim Bronson]

Thanks.

Clem Smith Jr H Frame 65cm Mustard.

https://www.rivbike.com/collections/web-special-framesets-and-bicycles/products/clem-smith-jr-h-style-complete

Resistance became futile when they dropped the price $200.

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[RBW] Re: Wide drops for loaded Hunqapillar

[drew]

Hey patrick,
yes and i'm still continuing to.  i love the albastache until i dont. i 
think the issue for me is that bars where i cant rest my hands on the on 
the area between my thumb and pointer (like on hoods or ramps) are fine up 
to a point, and then all of a sudden my hands go numb and i cant move my 
pinky and ring finger. this usually happens around 30-50 miles on upright 
bars and the mustache. if im riding every day, the point where that 
happens, happens sooner and sooner. Doesnt happen when i ride the hood area 
on drops. 

 i really like the shape of albastache and all the different positions. i 
like them off road and for situations where i need to maneuver the bike a 
lot way more than drops. what i cant find on them is that position where 
the fatty part of my hand can sit like it sits on hoods. if i could find 
that, you're right, it would be perfect. 

i'll continue to play with them, since my original question doesnt seem to 
have an easy answer. 

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[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Ryan Fleming]

I'd have a tough time dumping a Riv since I love all of them...but in  your 
situation maybe it's time to move the Bomba since the fit's not ideal. And 
keep an open mind for the N+1 ...I suspect it would be nice to test ride 
the Appaloosa. You have an elegant stable BTW

On Thursday, March 16, 2017 at 8:45:54 PM UTC-5, Sky Coulter wrote:
>
> Hey All,
>
> I have a bunch of bikes, with a fair bit of overlap, and yet I find myself 
> lusting after n+1. At the same time, I don't have a lot of cash to throw 
> toward a new bike and love the idea of reducing the number of bikes I have. 
>  So I'm kind of inclined to sell off one or two to make more physical and 
> mental space and to fund the pursuit of the N+1.  With that in mind I 
> invite advice, jeers, and any other comments you might feel inclined to 
> make in helping guide and influence my decision process. It's a wordy post 
> and probably of limited interest, but there are pictures at least.
>
> pictures here:  
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/140959259@N03/albums/72157681401817736/with/32640008764/
>
> The N+1 I'm after is a 55cm silver appaloosa. It's quite a bit smaller in 
> seat tube length than my other bikes, but Will told me the standover is 
> 83.5cm and the stack and reach numbers on the geometry chart look about 
> right for me. I'll build it up with drop bars. Will thought the 58cm would 
> probably be a better fit, but I think the older I get the more standover 
> clearance I'm likely to want.
>
> In the stable currently are:
>
> 1. 60cm butterscotch Saluki. Probably my best fitting bike with a 84cm 
> standover on 42mm parimotos (measuring closer to 38mm).  Not a bike I'm 
> really willing to part with.  It's quite possibly the nicest bike I'll ever 
> own and I can see riding it until I can't swing a leg over the saddle.
>
> 2. 60cm twin top tube dark green  Bombadil.  This one is probably the most 
> likely to get moved on as the standover is a bit too tight for comfort. 
>  It's ok on level ground, but a quick dismount on uneven terrain is a 
> frightening proposition.  my pbh is 89cm, although generally I go by 88cm 
> as I seem to prefer a slight size down approach with rivendells.  The 
> standover on the bombadil with 45cm tires is ~88.5cm, which is ok for 
> controlled dismounts, but really, feels a little too big.  My reluctance to 
> sell it at the moment is that selling the frame alone won't get me enough 
> for a replacement frame that fits and that if I sell it as a complete, I'll 
> need to buy a new build kit.
>
> 3. 59cm orange Clementine. This bike won't go anywhere for the next while. 
> It's really my baby daughter's bike, I just act as a chauffeur.
>
> 4. 61cm light blue Romulus.  I love this bike.  It feels the fastest of 
> the bikes I own.  Unfortunately it does overlap a fair bit with the Saluki 
> so it's a bit redundant to keep around. Currently I tell myself that it can 
> be differentiated as my "beater" bike and ridden in crappy vancouver winter 
> weather. But really, I'm just lying to myself there; I'd be perfectly 
> willing to ride the saluki in crappy weather too and with the wider tires 
> it's probably a better choice.  Really, I don't wanna sell it because I'm 
> attached to it and I don't think it'd ever sell for as much as it's worth 
> to me.  But I feel a little guilty holding onto it because it takes up 
> space and doesn't offer anything the other bikes don't.
>
> 5. 2016 61cm matte black Specialized Sequoia.  I bought this a month ago 
> to try out the allroad category from a big bike company and to try STI 
> shifting and mechanical disk brakes.  It's alright.  I don't think I'll 
> like it as much as my rivs and I kinda regret buying it instead of 
> pre-ordering an appa frameset, but I wanted to try something different. I'd 
> like to keep it for a year or so, try a couple different things with it 
> before deciding to move it on.
>
>
> So if you were in my shoes, and the Clementine and Saluki were the two 
> bikes you intend to hold onto no matter what, what would u do?
>
> thanks,
>
> Sky in new west
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Wide drops for loaded Hunqapillar

[Deacon Patrick]

Have you played with various combinations of your current new moustache 
(albastache) bars?
- tilt either way
- bar height
- stem length
- saddle height
- saddle tilt

Any combination of these changes will shift: Wrist angle, weight ratio, 
elbow bend, uprightness of position, and more. I'd recommend playing with 
these, one at a time, and learning. For me, the new moustache bars are the 
bars you describe looking for, and they got better as I dialed them in for 
me.

With abandon,
Patrick

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>
> I seem to be going in reverse rivendell order with handlebars on the 
> hunqapillar. it had albatross and now albastache bars. like both for up to 
> 30 mile rides, but im starting to get bad wrist pain/numbness after that. I 
> have 46cm noodles on another bike which are about the pinnacle of comfort 
> for my wrists 
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[RBW] Wide drops for loaded Hunqapillar

[Philip Kim]

Velo orange us coming out with a 31.8 quill stem which could definitely open up 
options for something like salsa cowbells or Jones loop bars

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[RBW] Re: My Rosco Road Fatty build

[Bill Lindsay]

I thought I had already registered my approval, but reading through the 
thread it looks like I have not.  So...

APPROVE!

BL in EC


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Re: [RBW] Helpful resources for building a bike at home?

[Lee Legrand]

To add to what Tim listed.

YOu need a set of metric, open ended wrenches as well.

On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Max Bergen  wrote:

> Thanks everyone!
>
> I'm familiar with assembling and installing most parts on a bike (except
> BB and derailleurs), but I feel much more prepared after you all have
> shared tips, advice and insight from your personal experiences.
>
> BTW, I live in San Diego. I'll be building the bike with my buddy the
> first weekend in April, but if anyone here lives in the area and wants to
> help out/hangout eat some pizza and drink beer...let me know.
>
> Cheers,
> Max
>
> On Friday, March 17, 2017 at 8:57:34 AM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 12:42 PM, Max Bergen  wrote:
>>
>>> My Hunq is being delivered in a few days and I plan on building the bike
>>> myself.  I was hoping some folks would have helpful resources on process
>>> and tools for installing:
>>>
>>> -BB: I think Rivendell uses Shimano bbs, no? So, splined BB tool and big
>>> crescent wrench.
>>>
>>
>>
>>> -crankset: To install, 14 mm socket, but to remove, get the Park bb
>>> removal tool.
>>>
>>
>>
>>> -derailleurs: 4 and 5 mm allen wrenches
>>>
>>
>>
>>> -chain: Me, I always use a master link, but you'll want a chain tool to
>>> cut the chain to length.
>>>
>>
>>
>>> -brakes and levers and cables: 4 or just possibly 5 mm allens.
>>>
>>
>>
>>> -thumbie shifters and cables: 4 mm allen; possibly Phillips screwdriver.
>>>
>>
>> Also: cable and housing cutters -- I like separate tools, but Park makes
>> a combo tool. I *have* cut cables and housing using a chisel and hammer,
>> but then you need a file to clean up the cuts on the housing (you should
>> clean them up in any case).
>>
>> You also need some way of holding the bike upright and still while you
>> work on it. I've assembled and disassembled many bikes simply lying flat on
>> the floor, or else leaning against a wall (held up by my head as needed)
>> but believe me it's much easier of you have a stand. You can get by with
>> hooks hung from the ceiling, though these won't hold the bike still.
>>
>> (As a expat teenager, I did complete teardowns and build ups using
>> nothing more than vise grips, hammer, chisel, screwdriver, and pipe wrench;
>> these bikes had old loose bearing bb assemblies and I used the hammer with
>> a nail to adjust the movable cup and lockring -- a fraught process indeed.
>> The nail, with a big nut as anvil, also broke and re-assembled chains.)
>>
>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> -Max
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Rosco Fatty Road

[Gabriel Bruguier]

I posted here before I saw that you had asked some questions on my Rosco 
Fatty post.  So I wanted to let you know that I responded to them over 
there.  Good luck and let us know how it turns out!  And post pics!!!

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[RBW] Re: My Rosco Road Fatty build

[Gabriel Bruguier]

Carla asked about my height and test riding.  I'm 5'10'' with a PBH of 86, 
with average proportions.  

I didn't go to Rivendell to test ride any other bikes (I live in Lincoln, 
Nebraska!).  My approach was to compare the geometry chart on the Riv page 
against bikes that I currently have that fit well.  The Rosco actually 
offered better features than my previous best-fitting bike, a 1990 RB2. 
 What I mean by that is that the seat tube is longer by 2cm, and while the 
top tube length is the same at 57.5cm, the Rocso has a slight incline, and 
an extended head tube.  So I took a shot and ordered the frame, and it paid 
off.  The extended head tube puts me in a very comfortable riding position 
compared to the other bike.  I hope this is helpful.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wide drops for loaded Hunqapillar

[Patrick Moore]

"Coming April 2017."



On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 10:57 AM, Mattt  wrote:

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[RBW] Re: Wide drops for loaded Hunqapillar

[drew]

i was coming up empty too. i thought i was just missing the right website. 
seems like the market would appreciate an option like this, especially 
since there are so many other redundant variations on drops and dirt drops. 
 

the leather bar may be too much on the wide side for my aesthetic taste.

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Re: [RBW] Rosco Fatty Road

[Gabriel Bruguier]

I agree with Jim-- go for it!  They are great bikes with a fantastic ride! 
And the lifter tube is ingenious.  And you can run huge tires.  And the 
geometry is super comfortable.  Etc etc.
>
>
I pulled the trigger on the 58cm version and couldn't be happier.  Its the 
most comfortable, best riding bike in the stable now.  

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[RBW] Re: Wide drops for loaded Hunqapillar

[Mattt]

https://www.crustbikes.com/products/wide-load-bar?variant=28423107981

If you can find them

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[RBW] Re: Wide drops for loaded Hunqapillar

['Mike Schiller' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I've looked for that kind of bar for years... no such luck.My fav wide 
off-road bar these days is the new Ritchey Venturemax... but its 31.8 clamp 
and black.

~mike
Carlsbad Ca


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[RBW] Re: New bike day: unpacking

[Wally Estrella]

Oh and most importantlywhat's the new bike?

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[RBW] Re: New bike day: unpacking

[Wally Estrella]

this one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbvZJWIm1o0


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> Didn't Riv make a video of the best way to unpack a bike that they had 
> shipped?  I've been looking for it but haven't found it so far.
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[RBW] New bike day: unpacking

[Jim Bronson]

Didn't Riv make a video of the best way to unpack a bike that they had
shipped?  I've been looking for it but haven't found it so far.

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[RBW] Wide drops for loaded Hunqapillar

[drew]

I seem to be going in reverse rivendell order with handlebars on the 
hunqapillar. it had albatross and now albastache bars. like both for up to 
30 mile rides, but im starting to get bad wrist pain/numbness after that. I 
have 46cm noodles on another bike which are about the pinnacle of comfort 
for my wrists 

I would rather not put noodles on hunq because...
1-i like having a wider bar for leverage with a front load or off road or 
both
2-riding in the drops/hooks, on descents, is not comfortable or easy to get 
to the brake levers

I find the less extreme dirt drops intriguing, but i would like to be able 
to be on the hoods most of the time. 

What im looking for is...
-wider drop with some flare. 
-useable hood/ramp area
-26mm clamp
-accepts bar ends
-has 125mm or less of drop
-comes in silver

the fairweather all road bar looks about perfect, but it's not quite wide 
enough. the nitto rm-13 in the widest size may work, but the 140mm of drop 
seems like it may have the same descent issue as noodles. 

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[RBW] Wide drops for loaded Hunqapillar

[drew]

I seem to be going in reverse rivendell order with handlebars on the 
hunqapillar. it had albatross and now albastache bars. like both for up to 
30 mile rides, but im starting to get bad wrist pain/numbness after that. I 
have 46cm noodles on another bike which are about the pinnacle of comfort 
for my wrists 

I would rather not put noodles on hunq because...
1-i like having a wider bar for leverage with a front load or off road or 
both
2-riding in the drops/hooks, on descents, is not comfortable or easy to get 
to the brake levers

I find the less extreme dirt drops intriguing, but i would like to be able 
to be on the hoods most of the time. 

What im looking for is...
-wider drop with some flare. 
-useable hood/ramp area
-26mm clamp
-accepts bar ends
-has 125mm or less of drop
-comes in silver

the fairweather all road bar looks about perfect, but it's not quite wide 
enough. the nitto rm-13 in the widest size may work, but the 140mm of drop 
seems like it may have the same descent issue as noodles. 

any recommendations?



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Re: [RBW] Rosco Fatty Road

[Jim Bronson]

Do it!  I wish they made a Rosco fatty Road in my size!  (99cm pbh).

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[RBW] Rosco Fatty Road

[Carla Waugh]

I'm very close to pulling the trigger for a complete Rivendell build on the 
Rosco with Wills help I think it will be a great ride,

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Re: [RBW] Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Patrick Moore]

I agree with Steve about the aesthetics part, but disagree largely about
the rotational inertia part, ie that wheel diameters and circumferential
weights make huge differences in handling. First, handling differences can
in part be adjusted for by frame design. Second, these differences are not
that great in any event. I've ridden very light "twenty six inch" wheels
with 360 gram rims, 70 gram tubes, and 200 gram tires measuring 24 inches
in actual diameter back to back with very heavy "29er" wheels with 900 gram
tires, 200 gram tubes, and 800 gram (lightweight model!) rims and an actual
 wheel diameter of 29 1/2 inches -- fully 5 1/2 inches bigger. Did I feel a
difference? Of course. Was it shocking? Hardly; I noticed the transition
from one to another much less than that between the 130 mm Q of the small
wheeled bikes and the 160+/- Q of the 29er.

Do the small wheel bikes feel twitchy? Hardly; in fact they are my
benchmark for good road bike handling with wheels of any size. Did the
29ers feel ponderous? By no means; in fact, when I took them on fastish
(and flat) singletrack, I was surprised at how "flickable" the Fargo and
Monocog 29er were -- and this with 60 mm Big Apples and SnoCat rims. Jan
may be a lot more sensitive than I am, but while I believe there is
*no* reason,
in other than tiny frame sizes, to upscale wheels with frame size, I also
believe that there is *no* reason to stick with one overall wheel diameter
for handling purposes. And I've ridden enough bikes to know good from bad
handling. Different? Sure. Bad versus good? Not at all.

I did notice that my brother's very light 26er mtb was more nimble than my
Fargo, but the difference was interesting rather than bothersome. I had no
problem keeping up with him on our twisty, thicket-smothered bosque
singletrack.

For the record, my road bikes now sport very light wheels measuring 24 3/4"
in diameter, and my 29er has very light wheels (for a 29er) of 28 1/2" in
diameter. Once again, for handling, frame differences are much more
noticeable than wheel differences.

On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 9:18 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

>
>
> On 03/17/2017 11:06 AM, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
>> The Saluki design of 650B at all frame sizes no longer aligns to Riv's
>> philosophy of matching wheel sizes to frame sizes... At one point they were
>> offering to send you either AHH or Saluki decals and head badge on the
>> tweener sized frames though.
>>
>
> I understand that is the philosophy.  What I fail to see is any advantage
> to it.  What matters really is rotational inertia.  You feel that in the
> handling.  And when you expand the diameter to retain a near-constant
> rotational inertia you have to reduce the tire width or find another way to
> reduce the weight of the wheel plus tire.  Aesthetics are in the eye of the
> beholder, obviously (otherwise, how could people claim that the look of
> today's racing bikes is attractive?) but in my opinion any claim that a
> 650B wheel looks "too small" on a 60 cm frame are purely bogus; and I can't
> help but wonder why the people who claim that don't also advocate a larger
> wheel than 622 for taller road racers.
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Re: [RBW] Helpful resources for building a bike at home?

[Max Bergen]

Thanks everyone! 

I'm familiar with assembling and installing most parts on a bike (except BB 
and derailleurs), but I feel much more prepared after you all have shared 
tips, advice and insight from your personal experiences. 

BTW, I live in San Diego. I'll be building the bike with my buddy the first 
weekend in April, but if anyone here lives in the area and wants to help 
out/hangout eat some pizza and drink beer...let me know. 

Cheers, 
Max

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> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 12:42 PM, Max Bergen  > wrote:
>
>> My Hunq is being delivered in a few days and I plan on building the bike 
>> myself.  I was hoping some folks would have helpful resources on process 
>> and tools for installing: 
>>
>> -BB: I think Rivendell uses Shimano bbs, no? So, splined BB tool and big 
>> crescent wrench. 
>>
>  
>
>> -crankset: To install, 14 mm socket, but to remove, get the Park bb 
>> removal tool.
>>
>  
>
>> -derailleurs: 4 and 5 mm allen wrenches
>>
>  
>
>> -chain: Me, I always use a master link, but you'll want a chain tool to 
>> cut the chain to length.
>>
>  
>
>> -brakes and levers and cables: 4 or just possibly 5 mm allens.
>>
>  
>
>> -thumbie shifters and cables: 4 mm allen; possibly Phillips screwdriver.
>>
>
> Also: cable and housing cutters -- I like separate tools, but Park makes a 
> combo tool. I *have* cut cables and housing using a chisel and hammer, 
> but then you need a file to clean up the cuts on the housing (you should 
> clean them up in any case). 
>
> You also need some way of holding the bike upright and still while you 
> work on it. I've assembled and disassembled many bikes simply lying flat on 
> the floor, or else leaning against a wall (held up by my head as needed) 
> but believe me it's much easier of you have a stand. You can get by with 
> hooks hung from the ceiling, though these won't hold the bike still. 
>
> (As a expat teenager, I did complete teardowns and build ups using nothing 
> more than vise grips, hammer, chisel, screwdriver, and pipe wrench; these 
> bikes had old loose bearing bb assemblies and I used the hammer with a nail 
> to adjust the movable cup and lockring -- a fraught process indeed. The 
> nail, with a big nut as anvil, also broke and re-assembled chains.)
>
>
>> Thanks! 
>> -Max
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[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[iamkeith]

I guess i glossed over the part about wanting to use drop bars.  Given that, 
the smaller joe might make sense than the hunq.  For some reason (based on 
nothing but speculation) I don't think of the joe as a drop bar bike.

For what it's worth, i'm an n+1 guy too, and the thing that has so far kept me 
in check is a rule about not duplicating handlebar types, unless there's a 
drastic difference in bike capabilities, too.

I also read too quickly over the "sequoia" part, and thought you had a classic 
one.  No brainer to get rid of that.

I still stand by the hunquapillar suggestion though.  You could even use your 
bomba parts (including wheels) to build it up.  You just need to relinquish the 
drop bar notion.

Interesting how some of the comments encourage contentment, while i seem to 
love encouraging you to spend your money.

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[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[stevef]

I used to have a lot of overlapping bikes in my herd and I sold off more 
than half.  It wasn't easy but it was rewarding.  The simplicity of having 
fewer bike to maintain and store is pretty great.  They were all nice bikes 
that I appreciated but once I decided some had to go, it was pretty clear 
which ones I rode more, and which ones meant more to me as a rider rather 
than just "this is a nice bike and I want to possess it."  

Things to consider would be which bikes you feel most overlap each other, 
and/or the bike you hope to add.  And which bike, if any, you feel the 
least attached to the experience of riding, rather than just as a nice bike 
worth owning.  Also keep in mind that the Specialized would probably be the 
easiest one to sell anywhere but, well--here. 

Steve 

On Thursday, March 16, 2017 at 9:45:54 PM UTC-4, Sky Coulter wrote:
>
> Hey All,
>
> I have a bunch of bikes, with a fair bit of overlap, and yet I find myself 
> lusting after n+1. At the same time, I don't have a lot of cash to throw 
> toward a new bike and love the idea of reducing the number of bikes I have. 
>  So I'm kind of inclined to sell off one or two to make more physical and 
> mental space and to fund the pursuit of the N+1.  With that in mind I 
> invite advice, jeers, and any other comments you might feel inclined to 
> make in helping guide and influence my decision process. It's a wordy post 
> and probably of limited interest, but there are pictures at least.
>
> pictures here:  
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/140959259@N03/albums/72157681401817736/with/32640008764/
>
> The N+1 I'm after is a 55cm silver appaloosa. It's quite a bit smaller in 
> seat tube length than my other bikes, but Will told me the standover is 
> 83.5cm and the stack and reach numbers on the geometry chart look about 
> right for me. I'll build it up with drop bars. Will thought the 58cm would 
> probably be a better fit, but I think the older I get the more standover 
> clearance I'm likely to want.
>
> In the stable currently are:
>
> 1. 60cm butterscotch Saluki. Probably my best fitting bike with a 84cm 
> standover on 42mm parimotos (measuring closer to 38mm).  Not a bike I'm 
> really willing to part with.  It's quite possibly the nicest bike I'll ever 
> own and I can see riding it until I can't swing a leg over the saddle.
>
> 2. 60cm twin top tube dark green  Bombadil.  This one is probably the most 
> likely to get moved on as the standover is a bit too tight for comfort. 
>  It's ok on level ground, but a quick dismount on uneven terrain is a 
> frightening proposition.  my pbh is 89cm, although generally I go by 88cm 
> as I seem to prefer a slight size down approach with rivendells.  The 
> standover on the bombadil with 45cm tires is ~88.5cm, which is ok for 
> controlled dismounts, but really, feels a little too big.  My reluctance to 
> sell it at the moment is that selling the frame alone won't get me enough 
> for a replacement frame that fits and that if I sell it as a complete, I'll 
> need to buy a new build kit.
>
> 3. 59cm orange Clementine. This bike won't go anywhere for the next while. 
> It's really my baby daughter's bike, I just act as a chauffeur.
>
> 4. 61cm light blue Romulus.  I love this bike.  It feels the fastest of 
> the bikes I own.  Unfortunately it does overlap a fair bit with the Saluki 
> so it's a bit redundant to keep around. Currently I tell myself that it can 
> be differentiated as my "beater" bike and ridden in crappy vancouver winter 
> weather. But really, I'm just lying to myself there; I'd be perfectly 
> willing to ride the saluki in crappy weather too and with the wider tires 
> it's probably a better choice.  Really, I don't wanna sell it because I'm 
> attached to it and I don't think it'd ever sell for as much as it's worth 
> to me.  But I feel a little guilty holding onto it because it takes up 
> space and doesn't offer anything the other bikes don't.
>
> 5. 2016 61cm matte black Specialized Sequoia.  I bought this a month ago 
> to try out the allroad category from a big bike company and to try STI 
> shifting and mechanical disk brakes.  It's alright.  I don't think I'll 
> like it as much as my rivs and I kinda regret buying it instead of 
> pre-ordering an appa frameset, but I wanted to try something different. I'd 
> like to keep it for a year or so, try a couple different things with it 
> before deciding to move it on.
>
>
> So if you were in my shoes, and the Clementine and Saluki were the two 
> bikes you intend to hold onto no matter what, what would u do?
>
> thanks,
>
> Sky in new west
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Steve Palincsar]

On 03/17/2017 11:06 AM, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
The Saluki design of 650B at all frame sizes no longer aligns to Riv's 
philosophy of matching wheel sizes to frame sizes... At one point they 
were offering to send you either AHH or Saluki decals and head badge 
on the tweener sized frames though.


I understand that is the philosophy.  What I fail to see is any 
advantage to it.  What matters really is rotational inertia.  You feel 
that in the handling.  And when you expand the diameter to retain a 
near-constant rotational inertia you have to reduce the tire width or 
find another way to reduce the weight of the wheel plus tire.  
Aesthetics are in the eye of the beholder, obviously (otherwise, how 
could people claim that the look of today's racing bikes is attractive?) 
but in my opinion any claim that a 650B wheel looks "too small" on a 60 
cm frame are purely bogus; and I can't help but wonder why the people 
who claim that don't also advocate a larger wheel than 622 for taller 
road racers.





I love how the 60cm frame can wear 42mm tires and not feel tall. 


The benefit of a 650B wheel!


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Re: [RBW] Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Tony DeFilippo]

The Saluki design of 650B at all frame sizes no longer aligns to Riv's
philosophy of matching wheel sizes to frame sizes... At one point they were
offering to send you either AHH or Saluki decals and head badge on the
tweener sized frames though.

I love how the 60cm frame can wear 42mm tires and not feel tall. The 56
Bomba had the same trait even with 2.25" tires.

Sounds like you are really just taken with the Appa, aesthetic, design,
whatever... I'd say go for it and see for yourself. I haven't regretted
buying any bikes even the two Riv's I've ended up selling.


On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 10:30 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Whoops, just saw that the Bombadil is too big. Sorry. Well, in that case,
> I'd get rid of it. Even the best bike is no good if it doesn't fit. But I'd
> try to trade it for a smaller one.
>
> On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 8:28 AM, Patrick Moore 
> wrote:
>
> I'd reduce by reducing overlap. I'd want a road bike, an off road bike
> capable of touring, and perhaps a bike that is fun to ride but that I could
> lock up and lose without much wailing and gnashing of teeth.
>
> I'd certainly keep the Bombadil and I'd be tempted to keep the Romulus
> since it's the fastest. I'd certainly (in your shoes) dump the Sequoia,
> though if it were 30 years older, I might keep it instead of the Rom.
>
> And why the Appaloosa? What niche will it fill, and will it do so better
> than the Bombadil or the Clem? (I'm not quite sure if the Clem is similar
> to the Ap or not.) Certainly the Bombadil will be hard to replace, and the
> Saluki sounds like the ideal all rounder.
>
> Me, I'd not drop a bike to get a new one unless there were some real
> advantage to the new one over the old one to be jettisoned.
>
> On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 7:45 PM, Sky Coulter 
> wrote:
>
> Hey All,
>
> I have a bunch of bikes, with a fair bit of overlap, and yet I find myself
> lusting after n+1. At the same time, I don't have a lot of cash to throw
> toward a new bike and love the idea of reducing the number of bikes I
> have.  So I'm kind of inclined to sell off one or two to make more physical
> and mental space and to fund the pursuit of the N+1.  With that in mind I
> invite advice, jeers, and any other comments you might feel inclined to
> make in helping guide and influence my decision process. It's a wordy post
> and probably of limited interest, but there are pictures at least.
>
> pictures here:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/140959259@N03/albums/72157681401817736/with/32640008764/
>
> The N+1 I'm after is a 55cm silver appaloosa. It's quite a bit smaller in
> seat tube length than my other bikes, but Will told me the standover is
> 83.5cm and the stack and reach numbers on the geometry chart look about
> right for me. I'll build it up with drop bars. Will thought the 58cm would
> probably be a better fit, but I think the older I get the more standover
> clearance I'm likely to want.
>
> In the stable currently are:
>
> 1. 60cm butterscotch Saluki. Probably my best fitting bike with a 84cm
> standover on 42mm parimotos (measuring closer to 38mm).  Not a bike I'm
> really willing to part with.  It's quite possibly the nicest bike I'll ever
> own and I can see riding it until I can't swing a leg over the saddle.
>
> 2. 60cm twin top tube dark green  Bombadil.  This one is probably the most
> likely to get moved on as the standover is a bit too tight for comfort.
> It's ok on level ground, but a quick dismount on uneven terrain is a
> frightening proposition.  my pbh is 89cm, although generally I go by 88cm
> as I seem to prefer a slight size down approach with rivendells.  The
> standover on the bombadil with 45cm tires is ~88.5cm, which is ok for
> controlled dismounts, but really, feels a little too big.  My reluctance to
> sell it at the moment is that selling the frame alone won't get me enough
> for a replacement frame that fits and that if I sell it as a complete, I'll
> need to buy a new build kit.
>
> 3. 59cm orange Clementine. This bike won't go anywhere for the next while.
> It's really my baby daughter's bike, I just act as a chauffeur.
>
> 4. 61cm light blue Romulus.  I love this bike.  It feels the fastest of
> the bikes I own.  Unfortunately it does overlap a fair bit with the Saluki
> so it's a bit redundant to keep around. Currently I tell myself that it can
> be differentiated as my "beater" bike and ridden in crappy vancouver winter
> weather. But really, I'm just lying to myself there; I'd be perfectly
> willing to ride the saluki in crappy weather too and with the wider tires
> it's probably a better choice.  Really, I don't wanna sell it because I'm
> attached to it and I don't think it'd ever sell for as much as it's worth
> to me.  But I feel a little guilty holding onto it because it takes up
> space and doesn't offer anything the other bikes don't.
>
> 5. 2016 61cm matte black Specialized Sequoia.  I bought this a month ago
> to try 

Re: [RBW] Re: FS 53cm Roadeo

[Johnny Alien]

Hey. Is this roadeo still available?  I am interested.

On Wednesday, February 22, 2017 at 9:55:06 AM UTC-5, Chad wrote:
>
> Bump!

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Re: [RBW] Helpful resources for building a bike at home?

[Patrick Moore]

On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 12:42 PM, Max Bergen  wrote:

> My Hunq is being delivered in a few days and I plan on building the bike
> myself.  I was hoping some folks would have helpful resources on process
> and tools for installing:
>
> -BB: I think Rivendell uses Shimano bbs, no? So, splined BB tool and big
> crescent wrench.
>


> -crankset: To install, 14 mm socket, but to remove, get the Park bb
> removal tool.
>


> -derailleurs: 4 and 5 mm allen wrenches
>


> -chain: Me, I always use a master link, but you'll want a chain tool to
> cut the chain to length.
>


> -brakes and levers and cables: 4 or just possibly 5 mm allens.
>


> -thumbie shifters and cables: 4 mm allen; possibly Phillips screwdriver.
>

Also: cable and housing cutters -- I like separate tools, but Park makes a
combo tool. I *have* cut cables and housing using a chisel and hammer, but
then you need a file to clean up the cuts on the housing (you should clean
them up in any case).

You also need some way of holding the bike upright and still while you work
on it. I've assembled and disassembled many bikes simply lying flat on the
floor, or else leaning against a wall (held up by my head as needed) but
believe me it's much easier of you have a stand. You can get by with hooks
hung from the ceiling, though these won't hold the bike still.

(As a expat teenager, I did complete teardowns and build ups using nothing
more than vise grips, hammer, chisel, screwdriver, and pipe wrench; these
bikes had old loose bearing bb assemblies and I used the hammer with a nail
to adjust the movable cup and lockring -- a fraught process indeed. The
nail, with a big nut as anvil, also broke and re-assembled chains.)


> Thanks!
> -Max
>
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[RBW] Re: Reminder: Rivendell Road Standard FS

[John G.]

That's a fantastic bike. If it was my size, I'd bite.

On Friday, March 17, 2017 at 12:45:30 AM UTC-4, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Speaking of selling bikes … reminder that I’m trying to find a new home 
> for this very pretty Rivendell:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/campyonlyguy/albums/72157681347310655 
>
> Asking $1,450 shipped, but what the heck … make me a reasonable offer and 
> I’ll probably take it.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
> @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)
>
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[RBW] Re: Wanted: 53 Bleriot or 54 Heron Road

[Johnny Alien]

Thanks!  That one sold the day I contacted her.

On Friday, March 17, 2017 at 8:50:04 AM UTC-4, Belopsky wrote:
>
> How about this,?
>
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/heron$2053cm%7Csort:relevance/rbw-owners-bunch/6ApDNLKIEJA/YTsfadM5AgAJ
>
> On Thursday, March 16, 2017 at 10:08:01 PM UTC-4, Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>> I am looking for a 53cm Bleriot or 54 Heron road frame.  I would consider 
>> completes depending on price and parts but am more interested in just the 
>> frame.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Helpful resources for building a bike at home?

[panog]

The subject of the necessary tools needed for the home mechanic is often 
debated and usually the line between "need" and "want" is crossed. Assuming 
that the act of building you own bike is pursued more out of pride than 
necessity then having the right tool often makes the job easier and more 
accurate. Some argue that the difference between the experienced home 
mechanic and the professional mechanic is the tools they use. I tend to 
agree with that. 
Anyway, this stand from PB is pretty darn good for what it 
costs 
http://www.performancebike.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10052_10551_1030266_-1_400152__400152


  
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Re: [RBW] Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Patrick Moore]

Whoops, just saw that the Bombadil is too big. Sorry. Well, in that case,
I'd get rid of it. Even the best bike is no good if it doesn't fit. But I'd
try to trade it for a smaller one.

On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 8:28 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I'd reduce by reducing overlap. I'd want a road bike, an off road bike
> capable of touring, and perhaps a bike that is fun to ride but that I could
> lock up and lose without much wailing and gnashing of teeth.
>
> I'd certainly keep the Bombadil and I'd be tempted to keep the Romulus
> since it's the fastest. I'd certainly (in your shoes) dump the Sequoia,
> though if it were 30 years older, I might keep it instead of the Rom.
>
> And why the Appaloosa? What niche will it fill, and will it do so better
> than the Bombadil or the Clem? (I'm not quite sure if the Clem is similar
> to the Ap or not.) Certainly the Bombadil will be hard to replace, and the
> Saluki sounds like the ideal all rounder.
>
> Me, I'd not drop a bike to get a new one unless there were some real
> advantage to the new one over the old one to be jettisoned.
>
> On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 7:45 PM, Sky Coulter 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey All,
>>
>> I have a bunch of bikes, with a fair bit of overlap, and yet I find
>> myself lusting after n+1. At the same time, I don't have a lot of cash to
>> throw toward a new bike and love the idea of reducing the number of bikes I
>> have.  So I'm kind of inclined to sell off one or two to make more physical
>> and mental space and to fund the pursuit of the N+1.  With that in mind I
>> invite advice, jeers, and any other comments you might feel inclined to
>> make in helping guide and influence my decision process. It's a wordy post
>> and probably of limited interest, but there are pictures at least.
>>
>> pictures here:  https://www.flickr.com/photos
>> /140959259@N03/albums/72157681401817736/with/32640008764/
>>
>> The N+1 I'm after is a 55cm silver appaloosa. It's quite a bit smaller in
>> seat tube length than my other bikes, but Will told me the standover is
>> 83.5cm and the stack and reach numbers on the geometry chart look about
>> right for me. I'll build it up with drop bars. Will thought the 58cm would
>> probably be a better fit, but I think the older I get the more standover
>> clearance I'm likely to want.
>>
>> In the stable currently are:
>>
>> 1. 60cm butterscotch Saluki. Probably my best fitting bike with a 84cm
>> standover on 42mm parimotos (measuring closer to 38mm).  Not a bike I'm
>> really willing to part with.  It's quite possibly the nicest bike I'll ever
>> own and I can see riding it until I can't swing a leg over the saddle.
>>
>> 2. 60cm twin top tube dark green  Bombadil.  This one is probably the
>> most likely to get moved on as the standover is a bit too tight for
>> comfort.  It's ok on level ground, but a quick dismount on uneven terrain
>> is a frightening proposition.  my pbh is 89cm, although generally I go by
>> 88cm as I seem to prefer a slight size down approach with rivendells.  The
>> standover on the bombadil with 45cm tires is ~88.5cm, which is ok for
>> controlled dismounts, but really, feels a little too big.  My reluctance to
>> sell it at the moment is that selling the frame alone won't get me enough
>> for a replacement frame that fits and that if I sell it as a complete, I'll
>> need to buy a new build kit.
>>
>> 3. 59cm orange Clementine. This bike won't go anywhere for the next
>> while. It's really my baby daughter's bike, I just act as a chauffeur.
>>
>> 4. 61cm light blue Romulus.  I love this bike.  It feels the fastest of
>> the bikes I own.  Unfortunately it does overlap a fair bit with the Saluki
>> so it's a bit redundant to keep around. Currently I tell myself that it can
>> be differentiated as my "beater" bike and ridden in crappy vancouver winter
>> weather. But really, I'm just lying to myself there; I'd be perfectly
>> willing to ride the saluki in crappy weather too and with the wider tires
>> it's probably a better choice.  Really, I don't wanna sell it because I'm
>> attached to it and I don't think it'd ever sell for as much as it's worth
>> to me.  But I feel a little guilty holding onto it because it takes up
>> space and doesn't offer anything the other bikes don't.
>>
>> 5. 2016 61cm matte black Specialized Sequoia.  I bought this a month ago
>> to try out the allroad category from a big bike company and to try STI
>> shifting and mechanical disk brakes.  It's alright.  I don't think I'll
>> like it as much as my rivs and I kinda regret buying it instead of
>> pre-ordering an appa frameset, but I wanted to try something different. I'd
>> like to keep it for a year or so, try a couple different things with it
>> before deciding to move it on.
>>
>>
>> So if you were in my shoes, and the Clementine and Saluki were the two
>> bikes you intend to hold onto no matter what, what would u do?
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> Sky in new west
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Patrick Moore]

I'd reduce by reducing overlap. I'd want a road bike, an off road bike
capable of touring, and perhaps a bike that is fun to ride but that I could
lock up and lose without much wailing and gnashing of teeth.

I'd certainly keep the Bombadil and I'd be tempted to keep the Romulus
since it's the fastest. I'd certainly (in your shoes) dump the Sequoia,
though if it were 30 years older, I might keep it instead of the Rom.

And why the Appaloosa? What niche will it fill, and will it do so better
than the Bombadil or the Clem? (I'm not quite sure if the Clem is similar
to the Ap or not.) Certainly the Bombadil will be hard to replace, and the
Saluki sounds like the ideal all rounder.

Me, I'd not drop a bike to get a new one unless there were some real
advantage to the new one over the old one to be jettisoned.

On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 7:45 PM, Sky Coulter 
wrote:

> Hey All,
>
> I have a bunch of bikes, with a fair bit of overlap, and yet I find myself
> lusting after n+1. At the same time, I don't have a lot of cash to throw
> toward a new bike and love the idea of reducing the number of bikes I
> have.  So I'm kind of inclined to sell off one or two to make more physical
> and mental space and to fund the pursuit of the N+1.  With that in mind I
> invite advice, jeers, and any other comments you might feel inclined to
> make in helping guide and influence my decision process. It's a wordy post
> and probably of limited interest, but there are pictures at least.
>
> pictures here:  https://www.flickr.com/photos/140959259@N03/albums/
> 72157681401817736/with/32640008764/
>
> The N+1 I'm after is a 55cm silver appaloosa. It's quite a bit smaller in
> seat tube length than my other bikes, but Will told me the standover is
> 83.5cm and the stack and reach numbers on the geometry chart look about
> right for me. I'll build it up with drop bars. Will thought the 58cm would
> probably be a better fit, but I think the older I get the more standover
> clearance I'm likely to want.
>
> In the stable currently are:
>
> 1. 60cm butterscotch Saluki. Probably my best fitting bike with a 84cm
> standover on 42mm parimotos (measuring closer to 38mm).  Not a bike I'm
> really willing to part with.  It's quite possibly the nicest bike I'll ever
> own and I can see riding it until I can't swing a leg over the saddle.
>
> 2. 60cm twin top tube dark green  Bombadil.  This one is probably the most
> likely to get moved on as the standover is a bit too tight for comfort.
> It's ok on level ground, but a quick dismount on uneven terrain is a
> frightening proposition.  my pbh is 89cm, although generally I go by 88cm
> as I seem to prefer a slight size down approach with rivendells.  The
> standover on the bombadil with 45cm tires is ~88.5cm, which is ok for
> controlled dismounts, but really, feels a little too big.  My reluctance to
> sell it at the moment is that selling the frame alone won't get me enough
> for a replacement frame that fits and that if I sell it as a complete, I'll
> need to buy a new build kit.
>
> 3. 59cm orange Clementine. This bike won't go anywhere for the next while.
> It's really my baby daughter's bike, I just act as a chauffeur.
>
> 4. 61cm light blue Romulus.  I love this bike.  It feels the fastest of
> the bikes I own.  Unfortunately it does overlap a fair bit with the Saluki
> so it's a bit redundant to keep around. Currently I tell myself that it can
> be differentiated as my "beater" bike and ridden in crappy vancouver winter
> weather. But really, I'm just lying to myself there; I'd be perfectly
> willing to ride the saluki in crappy weather too and with the wider tires
> it's probably a better choice.  Really, I don't wanna sell it because I'm
> attached to it and I don't think it'd ever sell for as much as it's worth
> to me.  But I feel a little guilty holding onto it because it takes up
> space and doesn't offer anything the other bikes don't.
>
> 5. 2016 61cm matte black Specialized Sequoia.  I bought this a month ago
> to try out the allroad category from a big bike company and to try STI
> shifting and mechanical disk brakes.  It's alright.  I don't think I'll
> like it as much as my rivs and I kinda regret buying it instead of
> pre-ordering an appa frameset, but I wanted to try something different. I'd
> like to keep it for a year or so, try a couple different things with it
> before deciding to move it on.
>
>
> So if you were in my shoes, and the Clementine and Saluki were the two
> bikes you intend to hold onto no matter what, what would u do?
>
> thanks,
>
> Sky in new west
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Bill Lindsay]

I'm adding a catchphrase.  From now on, the opposite of the lamentable action 
of "thinning the herd", will heretofore be called (by me at least) "thicking 
the herd".

BL in EC
ABT - Always Be Thicking 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Jim Bronson]

I agree with Leaf Slayer, sell the Bombadil and Sequoia.

Of course, I'm the guy who keeps bikes just for the sake of keeping them,
that I never ride.  I have 3 that should leave, really: my mountain bike
from college (25 years ago) that's way too small, my tandem that is way too
small, and my garage project fixie, I never ride them.  I have another one
coming this week, a Clem Smith Jr.

On another note, the love for the Saluki is palpable.  I think Rivendell
should wake this model up from it's sleep if possible.

On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 8:17 AM, Leaf Slayer  wrote:

> Sell the Bombadil and Sequoia. A few years back I sold off the last of my
> Rivs, an AHH to make room for and fund a mountain bike. I don't regret that
> move. This may sound crazy, but my LHT was the bike I wish my AHH was. I
> had previously sold off my Rambouilet and Quickbeam. About a year before I
> sold the Riv I had purchased a Salsa Vaya with the intention of that being
> a replacement for the AHH and LHT. It just never worked out that way. I
> really wanted to like the Salsa with it's disc brakes and all but it just
> never felt right. It's now in the process of being sold. My point is, if
> you're really not in love with or using the bikes, move them on to someone
> else and make room for the bike you want.
>
> Once my Vaya is sold I'll likely pick-up a 26" wheeled 60cm LHT. Sure
> there's redundancy with my current LHT but I always regret not getting that
> in the first place. I've threatened to build one up for years. I have most
> of the parts laying around with the exception of rims. I was looking at the
> Alppa's for a second but I'm in-between sizing. I know the LHT will work. I
> also thought about the Crust Bikes Romanceur (Sp?) but again, why not just
> stick with what works, the LHT. And finally, I'm fine with cantis for 90%
> of my riding. Besides, I'll likely be selling my Krampus frame later in the
> year and that combined with left over funds from the Vaya sale should allow
> me to pick-up a new Surly Ogre frame for all my dirt road disc brake needs.
>
> But yeah, sell the Bomba and Sequoia and get the bike you want. You should
> have no problem selling either.
>
> --mike
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[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Leaf Slayer]

Sell the Bombadil and Sequoia. A few years back I sold off the last of my 
Rivs, an AHH to make room for and fund a mountain bike. I don't regret that 
move. This may sound crazy, but my LHT was the bike I wish my AHH was. I 
had previously sold off my Rambouilet and Quickbeam. About a year before I 
sold the Riv I had purchased a Salsa Vaya with the intention of that being 
a replacement for the AHH and LHT. It just never worked out that way. I 
really wanted to like the Salsa with it's disc brakes and all but it just 
never felt right. It's now in the process of being sold. My point is, if 
you're really not in love with or using the bikes, move them on to someone 
else and make room for the bike you want. 

Once my Vaya is sold I'll likely pick-up a 26" wheeled 60cm LHT. Sure 
there's redundancy with my current LHT but I always regret not getting that 
in the first place. I've threatened to build one up for years. I have most 
of the parts laying around with the exception of rims. I was looking at the 
Alppa's for a second but I'm in-between sizing. I know the LHT will work. I 
also thought about the Crust Bikes Romanceur (Sp?) but again, why not just 
stick with what works, the LHT. And finally, I'm fine with cantis for 90% 
of my riding. Besides, I'll likely be selling my Krampus frame later in the 
year and that combined with left over funds from the Vaya sale should allow 
me to pick-up a new Surly Ogre frame for all my dirt road disc brake needs.

But yeah, sell the Bomba and Sequoia and get the bike you want. You should 
have no problem selling either.

--mike

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[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Bob Lovejoy]

No, I know *exactly* the feeling as I am making the same decisions.   But 
agreed on the paint option and all for any of the bikes.  But still I look, 
envision, study, imagine...  I will admit the silver Appaloosa's call to me 
as well. 

Bob


On Friday, March 17, 2017 at 7:28:02 AM UTC-5, Sky Coulter wrote:
>
> He pretty much said that either would work out, but he thought the 58 was 
> the more appropriate size. He did suggest that the bar height between the 
> 55 appa and the 60saluki would be about the same, but didn't offer much 
> more in the way of specifics. 
>
>  I don't think there are any appas in BC at the moment, so a try before u 
> buy seems unlikely.
>
> Waiting is of course a totally reasonable option. I don't need a touring 
> bike right now and if i do then the bomba can fill that role temporarily. 
>  I guess some of what's driving this is the desire for the new shiny thing. 
>  And I worry that they'll sell out of the silver appas. But like Keith 
> suggested, it is just paint and a couple hundred dollars.
>
> sky in new west
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Wanted: 53 Bleriot or 54 Heron Road

[Belopsky]

How about this,?

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/heron$2053cm%7Csort:relevance/rbw-owners-bunch/6ApDNLKIEJA/YTsfadM5AgAJ

On Thursday, March 16, 2017 at 10:08:01 PM UTC-4, Johnny Alien wrote:
>
> I am looking for a 53cm Bleriot or 54 Heron road frame.  I would consider 
> completes depending on price and parts but am more interested in just the 
> frame.
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[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Sky Coulter]

He pretty much said that either would work out, but he thought the 58 was 
the more appropriate size. He did suggest that the bar height between the 
55 appa and the 60saluki would be about the same, but didn't offer much 
more in the way of specifics. 

 I don't think there are any appas in BC at the moment, so a try before u 
buy seems unlikely.

Waiting is of course a totally reasonable option. I don't need a touring 
bike right now and if i do then the bomba can fill that role temporarily. 
 I guess some of what's driving this is the desire for the new shiny thing. 
 And I worry that they'll sell out of the silver appas. But like Keith 
suggested, it is just paint and a couple hundred dollars.

sky in new west

On Friday, March 17, 2017 at 5:17:22 AM UTC-7, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>
> Not that I am a role model for patience, but there is some wisdom here... 
>  That said, I truly understand the timing and the lure. 
>
> Sky - Would there be any chance for you to find and ride a 55cm Appaloosa, 
> just to verify the numbers with actual?  I study the numbers too, and 
> believe in them for the most part, but seeing and riding is always the 
> better test.   Out of curiosity, how strongly was Will making his argument 
> on sizing?
>
> Bob
>  
>
> On Friday, March 17, 2017 at 5:51:33 AM UTC-5, iamkeith wrote:
>>
>> 1.  Sell the bombadil.  As noted, it's too big for you, to be used as 
>> intended.
>>
>> 2. Don't buy the joe.  It's too small for you.
>>
>> 3.  Buy one of the new 56cm hunqapillars, and have it painted silver for 
>> the extra $100.  It is exactly the right size for you, chainstays have 
>> crept up in length (making it and the joe more similar), wooly mammoths are 
>> cooler than horses, EVERYBODY needs a mountain bike of some sort,  it takes 
>> a much fatter tire than your bomba and, once you try those fatter tires, 
>> you wont want to ride anything else.
>>
>> 4.  In a year or two, when you realize that the hunq is all you need, 
>> sell me your saluki.
>>
>> (If it seems like i put a lot of thought into this exact question, it's 
>> because i have.  Like Tony, Im the same size as you)
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Bob Lovejoy]

Not that I am a role model for patience, but there is some wisdom here... 
 That said, I truly understand the timing and the lure. 

Sky - Would there be any chance for you to find and ride a 55cm Appaloosa, 
just to verify the numbers with actual?  I study the numbers too, and 
believe in them for the most part, but seeing and riding is always the 
better test.   Out of curiosity, how strongly was Will making his argument 
on sizing?

Bob
 

On Friday, March 17, 2017 at 5:51:33 AM UTC-5, iamkeith wrote:
>
> 1.  Sell the bombadil.  As noted, it's too big for you, to be used as 
> intended.
>
> 2. Don't buy the joe.  It's too small for you.
>
> 3.  Buy one of the new 56cm hunqapillars, and have it painted silver for 
> the extra $100.  It is exactly the right size for you, chainstays have 
> crept up in length (making it and the joe more similar), wooly mammoths are 
> cooler than horses, EVERYBODY needs a mountain bike of some sort,  it takes 
> a much fatter tire than your bomba and, once you try those fatter tires, 
> you wont want to ride anything else.
>
> 4.  In a year or two, when you realize that the hunq is all you need, sell 
> me your saluki.
>
> (If it seems like i put a lot of thought into this exact question, it's 
> because i have.  Like Tony, Im the same size as you)
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Sky Coulter]

Keith,

I don't see why the joe would be too small.  Comparing the stack and reach 
numbers the appa would get the handlebars up higher and it would have a 
shorter reach to the bars - which i think would work well for drops.  Is 
there something I'm missing?

Thanks,

Sky

On Friday, March 17, 2017 at 3:51:33 AM UTC-7, iamkeith wrote:
>
> 1.  Sell the bombadil.  As noted, it's too big for you, to be used as 
> intended.
>
> 2. Don't buy the joe.  It's too small for you.
>
> 3.  Buy one of the new 56cm hunqapillars, and have it painted silver for 
> the extra $100.  It is exactly the right size for you, chainstays have 
> crept up in length (making it and the joe more similar), wooly mammoths are 
> cooler than horses, EVERYBODY needs a mountain bike of some sort,  it takes 
> a much fatter tire than your bomba and, once you try those fatter tires, 
> you wont want to ride anything else.
>
> 4.  In a year or two, when you realize that the hunq is all you need, sell 
> me your saluki.
>
> (If it seems like i put a lot of thought into this exact question, it's 
> because i have.  Like Tony, Im the same size as you)
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Ron Mc]

pick two, offer up both, see which bites, and let the interest of others 
decide for you

On Friday, March 17, 2017 at 6:40:53 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Cultivate contentment?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Thursday, March 16, 2017 at 7:45:54 PM UTC-6, Sky Coulter wrote:
>>
>>
>> I have a bunch of bikes, with a fair bit of overlap, and yet I find 
>> myself lusting after n+1. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Sky Coulter]

Oh, I plan to Patrick. It's just that clearly contentment is just around 
the next corner, or in this case, in the saddle of n+1.

But ya, of course. That would be the truly wise choicesky

On Friday, March 17, 2017 at 4:40:53 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Cultivate contentment?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Thursday, March 16, 2017 at 7:45:54 PM UTC-6, Sky Coulter wrote:
>>
>>
>> I have a bunch of bikes, with a fair bit of overlap, and yet I find 
>> myself lusting after n+1. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Deacon Patrick]

Cultivate contentment?

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, March 16, 2017 at 7:45:54 PM UTC-6, Sky Coulter wrote:
>
>
> I have a bunch of bikes, with a fair bit of overlap, and yet I find myself 
> lusting after n+1. 
>

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[RBW] Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[iamkeith]

1.  Sell the bombadil.  As noted, it's too big for you, to be used as intended.

2. Don't buy the joe.  It's too small for you.

3.  Buy one of the new 56cm hunqapillars, and have it painted silver for the 
extra $100.  It is exactly the right size for you, chainstays have crept up in 
length (making it and the joe more similar), wooly mammoths are cooler than 
horses, EVERYBODY needs a mountain bike of some sort,  it takes a much fatter 
tire than your bomba and, once you try those fatter tires, you wont want to 
ride anything else.

4.  In a year or two, when you realize that the hunq is all you need, sell me 
your saluki.

(If it seems like i put a lot of thought into this exact question, it's because 
i have.  Like Tony, Im the same size as you)

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[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Sky Coulter]

oops, i meant 391.7 not 381.7 for reach

On Thursday, March 16, 2017 at 8:53:10 PM UTC-7, Sky Coulter wrote:
>
> I don't really know for sure if the appa will work w drops, but i think it 
> will, otherwise i prolly wouldn't be interested in it.  The other rivendell 
> option would be a 61cm atlantis. The stack and reach numbers b/w it and the 
> 55cm appa are pretty similar.  But if those numbers are similar, then the 
> deciding factors for me are standover and asthetics.  The 61cm atlantis is 
> 85.1 as per the geo chart and will tells me the 55 appa is 83.5.  I can 
> tolerate up to 88cm, but i prefer it low, like the 84cm on my saluki. So i 
> do tend to think the appa w drops should work.  The saluki's top tube is 
> 59.5. the appa's is 59.8 w a stack of 618 and a reach of 381.7 or something 
> close.  I feel confident enough that those numbers should work for me with 
> drops that i'd be willing to buy one.
>
> And if i do and then take it for a spin and it turns out i was wrong, i 
> promise to post here at length about it, gnash me teeth, rend my clothes, 
> and wail my misfortune to all, so as to save any other foolish souls from 
> making a similar mistake :)
>
> Sky in new west
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Sky Coulter]

Well Eric, it looks like you're already diligently thinning the herd with 
the rivendell road sale.  Beautiful bike by the way.  The Romulus is my 
budget version of your road, but I imagine if there is a lot of interest in 
the upcoming roadini as Rivendell indicated recently in the rbw newsletter, 
then I'd think your road should sell quickly at the price you've posted it 
for...thanks, sky

On Thursday, March 16, 2017 at 9:42:19 PM UTC-7, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> I'm taking this whole thread about getting rid of bikes and deleting it 
> before my wife sees it.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
> @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)
>
> On Mar 16, 2017, at 9:37 PM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
> What are you expecting from the Appaloosa that you are not getting from 
> your current bicycles? If it's the thrill of a new bike, a silver paint 
> job, that's fine. But realize you will probably be in the same situation a 
> year from now. 
>
> My advice would be sell the Bombadil and put the money in a bike slush 
> fund, but don't commit to anything for the summer, just ride the bikes you 
> have. Then see where you're at. Maybe a used Wilbury or Gomez or Cheviut in 
> your size will come up for sale, and you won't have to worry about 
> standover. 
>
> I generally deal with my obsession by buying used bicycles pretty cheap 
> and circulating and selling parts and stuff to keep me at not too much 
> money spent each year. And now that I have a 7-year-old who enjoys riding, 
> I get to buy bikes for him. I also like to help out friends. 
>
> On Thursday, March 16, 2017 at 9:45:54 PM UTC-4, Sky Coulter wrote:
>>
>> Hey All,
>>
>> I have a bunch of bikes, with a fair bit of overlap, and yet I find 
>> myself lusting after n+1. At the same time, I don't have a lot of cash to 
>> throw toward a new bike and love the idea of reducing the number of bikes I 
>> have.  So I'm kind of inclined to sell off one or two to make more physical 
>> and mental space and to fund the pursuit of the N+1.  With that in mind I 
>> invite advice, jeers, and any other comments you might feel inclined to 
>> make in helping guide and influence my decision process. It's a wordy post 
>> and probably of limited interest, but there are pictures at least.
>>
>> pictures here:  
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/140959259@N03/albums/72157681401817736/with/32640008764/
>>
>> The N+1 I'm after is a 55cm silver appaloosa. It's quite a bit smaller in 
>> seat tube length than my other bikes, but Will told me the standover is 
>> 83.5cm and the stack and reach numbers on the geometry chart look about 
>> right for me. I'll build it up with drop bars. Will thought the 58cm would 
>> probably be a better fit, but I think the older I get the more standover 
>> clearance I'm likely to want.
>>
>> In the stable currently are:
>>
>> 1. 60cm butterscotch Saluki. Probably my best fitting bike with a 84cm 
>> standover on 42mm parimotos (measuring closer to 38mm).  Not a bike I'm 
>> really willing to part with.  It's quite possibly the nicest bike I'll ever 
>> own and I can see riding it until I can't swing a leg over the saddle.
>>
>> 2. 60cm twin top tube dark green  Bombadil.  This one is probably the 
>> most likely to get moved on as the standover is a bit too tight for 
>> comfort.  It's ok on level ground, but a quick dismount on uneven terrain 
>> is a frightening proposition.  my pbh is 89cm, although generally I go by 
>> 88cm as I seem to prefer a slight size down approach with rivendells.  The 
>> standover on the bombadil with 45cm tires is ~88.5cm, which is ok for 
>> controlled dismounts, but really, feels a little too big.  My reluctance to 
>> sell it at the moment is that selling the frame alone won't get me enough 
>> for a replacement frame that fits and that if I sell it as a complete, I'll 
>> need to buy a new build kit.
>>
>> 3. 59cm orange Clementine. This bike won't go anywhere for the next 
>> while. It's really my baby daughter's bike, I just act as a chauffeur.
>>
>> 4. 61cm light blue Romulus.  I love this bike.  It feels the fastest of 
>> the bikes I own.  Unfortunately it does overlap a fair bit with the Saluki 
>> so it's a bit redundant to keep around. Currently I tell myself that it can 
>> be differentiated as my "beater" bike and ridden in crappy vancouver winter 
>> weather. But really, I'm just lying to myself there; I'd be perfectly 
>> willing to ride the saluki in crappy weather too and with the wider tires 
>> it's probably a better choice.  Really, I don't wanna sell it because I'm 
>> attached to it and I don't think it'd ever sell for as much as it's worth 
>> to me.  But I feel a little guilty holding onto it because it takes up 
>> space and doesn't offer anything the other bikes don't.
>>
>> 5. 2016 61cm matte black Specialized Sequoia.  I bought this a month ago 
>> to try out the allroad category from a big bike company and to try STI 
>> shifting 

[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Sky Coulter]

Hi Mark, thanks for the thoughts.  Ya actually, some part of it is the 
thrill of a new bike for sure. And I do love the silver-cream colour combo. 
 But I guess the "reason" I want the appa is for touring.  Not that I'm 
likely to get away for more than a couple days anytime in the next couple 
years, but at some point, I'd like to do a lengthy tour again.  My current 
'touring' bike is the bombadil, but it is a bit bigger than I'm comfortable 
with.  So I guess the thought is to sell the bomba and replace it with an 
appa that fits better.  The possibility of getting rid of another bike or 
two comes up as I try to determine whether I can or should reduce the herd 
further.  

I feel quite similarly about building up bikes for family members. My wife 
has a betty foy, a trek 620, and a modern 520; my daughter (12) has a soma 
buena vista, and my son (10) has a long haul trucker :). A friend and I 
used to build up nice budget bikes for friends under our joke bike brand 
"hi-5 cycles" but he died a while ago and I've been sticking mostly to just 
building for family members since...sky



On Thursday, March 16, 2017 at 9:37:35 PM UTC-7, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> What are you expecting from the Appaloosa that you are not getting from 
> your current bicycles? If it's the thrill of a new bike, a silver paint 
> job, that's fine. But realize you will probably be in the same situation a 
> year from now. 
>
> My advice would be sell the Bombadil and put the money in a bike slush 
> fund, but don't commit to anything for the summer, just ride the bikes you 
> have. Then see where you're at. Maybe a used Wilbury or Gomez or Cheviut in 
> your size will come up for sale, and you won't have to worry about 
> standover. 
>
> I generally deal with my obsession by buying used bicycles pretty cheap 
> and circulating and selling parts and stuff to keep me at not too much 
> money spent each year. And now that I have a 7-year-old who enjoys riding, 
> I get to buy bikes for him. I also like to help out friends. 
>
> On Thursday, March 16, 2017 at 9:45:54 PM UTC-4, Sky Coulter wrote:
>>
>> Hey All,
>>
>> I have a bunch of bikes, with a fair bit of overlap, and yet I find 
>> myself lusting after n+1. At the same time, I don't have a lot of cash to 
>> throw toward a new bike and love the idea of reducing the number of bikes I 
>> have.  So I'm kind of inclined to sell off one or two to make more physical 
>> and mental space and to fund the pursuit of the N+1.  With that in mind I 
>> invite advice, jeers, and any other comments you might feel inclined to 
>> make in helping guide and influence my decision process. It's a wordy post 
>> and probably of limited interest, but there are pictures at least.
>>
>> pictures here:  
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/140959259@N03/albums/72157681401817736/with/32640008764/
>>
>> The N+1 I'm after is a 55cm silver appaloosa. It's quite a bit smaller in 
>> seat tube length than my other bikes, but Will told me the standover is 
>> 83.5cm and the stack and reach numbers on the geometry chart look about 
>> right for me. I'll build it up with drop bars. Will thought the 58cm would 
>> probably be a better fit, but I think the older I get the more standover 
>> clearance I'm likely to want.
>>
>> In the stable currently are:
>>
>> 1. 60cm butterscotch Saluki. Probably my best fitting bike with a 84cm 
>> standover on 42mm parimotos (measuring closer to 38mm).  Not a bike I'm 
>> really willing to part with.  It's quite possibly the nicest bike I'll ever 
>> own and I can see riding it until I can't swing a leg over the saddle.
>>
>> 2. 60cm twin top tube dark green  Bombadil.  This one is probably the 
>> most likely to get moved on as the standover is a bit too tight for 
>> comfort.  It's ok on level ground, but a quick dismount on uneven terrain 
>> is a frightening proposition.  my pbh is 89cm, although generally I go by 
>> 88cm as I seem to prefer a slight size down approach with rivendells.  The 
>> standover on the bombadil with 45cm tires is ~88.5cm, which is ok for 
>> controlled dismounts, but really, feels a little too big.  My reluctance to 
>> sell it at the moment is that selling the frame alone won't get me enough 
>> for a replacement frame that fits and that if I sell it as a complete, I'll 
>> need to buy a new build kit.
>>
>> 3. 59cm orange Clementine. This bike won't go anywhere for the next 
>> while. It's really my baby daughter's bike, I just act as a chauffeur.
>>
>> 4. 61cm light blue Romulus.  I love this bike.  It feels the fastest of 
>> the bikes I own.  Unfortunately it does overlap a fair bit with the Saluki 
>> so it's a bit redundant to keep around. Currently I tell myself that it can 
>> be differentiated as my "beater" bike and ridden in crappy vancouver winter 
>> weather. But really, I'm just lying to myself there; I'd be perfectly 
>> willing to ride the saluki in crappy weather too and with the wider tires 
>> it's probably a better choice.  

[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Sky Coulter]

Thanks for your advice Chris. Ya, you're right. The size problem can't be 
corrected so moving it on is the right choicesky



On Thursday, March 16, 2017 at 9:27:30 PM UTC-7, Christopher Murray wrote:
>
> Sell the Bomba and keep the rest. It sounds like you know this is the best 
> option but the price you'd likely get for the Bomba vs the price of the 
> Appaloosa is stopping you. I'd sell the Bomba complete and buy a complete 
> Appaloosa. Take off the parts you don't want and sell them.  From your 
> description the Bomba is just too big for you to be comfortable and there's 
> no way to make it smaller. Sell it and move on! 
>
> Chris
>

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[RBW] Re: Advice on herd thinning (or, scheming to get another bike)

[Sky Coulter]

Thanks Tony, I appreciate your comments.  Ya, I think the 56cm bomba would 
have been a better fit for me too.  I think there is a consensus building 
pretty quickly that the bomba should go and that the romulus should be next 
in line.  

I can't really think of much more that I'd want to tweak on the Saluki -- 
except maybe a lugged stem. But the work of undoing the shellacked bare 
tape will probably keep me from doing that for the next couple years at 
least.  And I'm pretty happy with the clementine as it is. I do have some 
fancier parts, like IRD thumbshifters that I could put on it, but since 
tightening the existing shifters, I haven't felt any need to swap them out. 
 I kind of like the idea of trying to keep the build cheap on it, if u know 
what i mean.

Thanks,

Sky

On Thursday, March 16, 2017 at 8:56:43 PM UTC-7, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> You've got good 'problems'! :)  Great photo's and really gorgeous builds 
> and bikes.
>
> And you and I are about the same size... I've also got a 60cm Saluki which 
> is the jewel in my collection and recently sold a 56 Bombadil.  I've never 
> ridden a 60 Bombadil but given the fit of the 56 I don't think it would 
> have worked well for me at least as the off pavement workhorse it was built 
> to be.  For me personally 3-4 bikes is about the max for getting enough 
> riding out of each of them to be worth it. Actually last year I had the 
> Saluki, Bomba, XO-3 and Bob Jackson go-fast built and available almost the 
> full year, the usage was about 80/15/4/1.  Your comments on the Romulus 
> sound alot like my own for my Bob Jackson, without a doubt the quickest, 
> lightest bike I own and w/ Compass 32mm tires it has 'magic'... but I don't 
> ride it much, its not built up for carrying a commuting load and when I 
> swapped my Saluki back to drop bars and unloaded it I feel like I've got 
> 95% of the same sensation w/ extra cargo capacity and nicer lugs...  Unlike 
> my attempts to sell the Jackson you'd probably find a pretty willing market 
> on the Romulus.
>
> Chris/Pondero made a comment to me and I think on the board about a year 
> ago about continuing to build up the same bike over and over again that 
> really struck a chord with me.  The dilemma/opportunity of an all-rounder 
> frame is the draw to continuously re-imagine it.  Right now I'm more about 
> perfecting each bike in it's existing build rather than re-building it up 
> with different personalities.
>
> Not sure exactly how to bend this back to your OP but I guess I'd say I 
> heartily agree with your keep the Saluki/Clementine (wife has a 52 
> Clementine and its great!).  Like the others I'd say shop the Bombadil and 
> I'd depart from the others a bit and say shop the Romulus to... commit to 
> the next frame, burn your ships, er bikes! :)  Use the funds to splurge on 
> some Saluki or Clementine components if you have anything leftover from the 
> Appaloosa build.  On the Specialized sounds like you've got the right idea 
> to ride it till you figure it out one way or another.
>

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[RBW] Reminder: Rivendell Road Standard FS

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

Any idea why the stem keeps getting stuck? Could be that's what's keeping 
people away. More information might help assuage any such concerns. 

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