Re: [RBW] The One in Which LeahFoy Races the Carbon Riders Up Killer Hill

[Ed Fausto]

Wow Leah!
I just came back from a bike ride with friends and after reading this
really made my day :-)
Can't wait to tell my wife Mabel this story.
Regards,
Ed

PS Keep us updated on the next episode.

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 1:22 AM, LeahFoy  wrote:

> *The following contains anecdotes about pretty bikes and cute clothes and
> girly hashtags. Not suitable for all audiences. Those without sense of
> humor ought not proceed.*
>
> I was feeling pretty good on this breezy and sunny morning as I biked up
> Killer Hill on TBBITW. The boys were safely deposited at school, their
> bikes in the racks and backpacks on their backs. I was unladen and free and
> feeling the contentment one can only feel after one has been shopping the
> day before and bought cute new clothes. I had on a simple tee (new), shorts
> (also new) and my (new) favorite thing (heaven help me, my husband really
> should make me get a job!), a white, wide-brimmed hat in a style I have
> coined "outdoor chic." On my lovely bike, sailing along I felt like
> #thatsdarling and not even Killer Hill could dampen the mood! Towards the
> worst of the hill I happened to catch something in my peripheral vision.
> Two riders, donning full lycra on fat-tubed carbon bikes with helmets and
> helmet mirrors and clippy shoes, were on the other side of the road amidst
> traffic trying to conquer the hill. I found the whole thing hilarious, as I
> imagined I looked like some sort of caricature of a "real" rider to them. I
> don't know what came over me. The Bike Snob has made fun of people who do
> exactly this, but I lost all control of myself and I did it: I shifted into
> the granny gear and let my legs fly as I raced those guys up Killer Hill.
>
> The older guy beat me, fair and square, but barely. The other guy pushed
> his bike up the hill. He circled the roundabout, passed by and said
> something about "good job on that hill." I told him I do it twice a day,
> laughed a bit and carried on. Moments later, I was aware of someone behind
> me on the path. There he was again! And he wanted a word with me.
>
> "How many gears does that bike have?" he asked, pulling even with me.
> "I don't know. It's friction shifting."
> "What a cool bike! It's an old one!" he exclaimed, riding abreast of me.
> "Actually, I got it in 2012. It's a Rivendell - they take all the best
> things from the past and all the best things from the present, put them
> together and create this awesome bike. It's lugged steel and perfect and I
> will be riding it still in 40 years."
>
> He talked bout the touring he does and how he misses biking in CA (me,
> too) and how he has big plans for an upcoming trip with 38,000 feet of
> climbing. Then we stopped so he could wait for his buddy and really look
> over TBBITW. He loved the grips ("Are they wooden?!"), he loved the bars
> ("Wow, I really like the shape of those!"), he admired the racks ("I love
> how you have these racks and panniers!"). He asked me all about Rivendell,
> and I did my best to tell him. He had never heard of it, so I tried to jog
> his memory (Do you read the Bike Snob? Heard of Bridgestone? No?). I fear
> we're in different biking worlds, I said. I finally hit pay-dirt when I
> asked if he's ever heard the term "retrogrouch." Yeah, in fact he had.
> "Well that was coined to describe Grant Petersen." I hope I told him right;
> that was my understanding, at least. He continued to notice little details
> on my bike and I continued to purr like a cat on the inside, because how
> often does ANYONE appreciate my retro-beach-cruiser-no gears-bike? Finally,
> someone who was beginning to see it for what it is. A legit bike that is
> beautiful and functional and can beat you up Killer Hill.
>
> His buddy finally arrived and was so worn out he wouldn't even get off his
> bike; he rode it in slow circles as he gasped for breath. He gave me the
> side eye as I stood there in my silly outfit with my silly bike, having
> beat him by a mile. Oh, I hope he has a sense of humor!
>
> "Come and look at this girl's bike!" said his friend.
> "Let's go get Starbucks, " he said, "I'm burning up."
>
> You can't win 'em all, folks! But maybe rivbike.com will get a new
> visitor, and possibly a new bike order.
>
> Yours, Leah
>
> PS. Two photos for visuals to this zany tale. 1. No one can ignore a bike
> this gorgeous! Robin's egg blue with red heart lugs, and all the bags you
> could want, for crying out loud! 2. And this hat, which is 30% off right
> now and would look splendid with your fancy Rivs. #thatsdarling
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Re: [RBW] The One in Which LeahFoy Races the Carbon Riders Up Killer Hill

[LeahFoy]

Rights to name the hill Killer Hill are yours! 4.5 mile climb? Yikes! Good on 
you; I can't imagine how strong your legs must be.

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[RBW] Re: The One in Which LeahFoy Races the Carbon Riders Up Killer Hill

[LeahFoy]

My Dear Mr. Reid,

You may find the exact same hat at this link: 
https://www.rei.com/product/879776/rei-co-op-sahara-hat-womens. There are 
offerings as well in both men's and children's. Do post your photo if you 
buckle under the pressure and find yourself in possession of such a hat. You'll 
note that there is, in fact, a drawstring which negates the need for the John's 
Irish Strap. Though, how can JIS ever be unnecessary?

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[RBW] FS: Nitto Rack Mark's Platrack

[Keith Muller]

I sent you a PM

Keith

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Re: [RBW] The One in Which LeahFoy Races the Carbon Riders Up Killer Hill

[dstein]

Great story! I have a version of killer hill that starts close to my house 
and climbs for 4.5 miles. Used to take me 40 minutes. I'd get passed by the 
lycra crabon crowd all the time. So i kept pushing and got my ass in shape. 
I can now get up the hill in about 32 minutes, on par or better than my 
friends, and my bikes keep getting heavier (gunnar sport to hunqapillar to 
jones plus). 

The other week I was out on my Jones plus with 2.4" tires (up on roads, 
down on trails), I passed most everyone I came upon, it felt pretty good, 
especially considering it's a pretty popular cycling route...one guy 
insisted I had a motor on my bike as I passed him and was looking for it, 
maybe I should have just let him think I had 
one: https://www.strava.com/activities/953448588
Maybe I should have been wearing a nice white brimmed hat for effect;)

On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 at 8:44:32 PM UTC-7, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> Because a lugged steel beaut that is so good that it can - with its rider 
> in a silly sundress -  smoke your fancy carbon machine...well, that Roadini 
> order is as good as placed. I won't even ask Grant for any commission. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone 
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> > On May 24, 2017, at 8:19 PM, Joe Bernard  > wrote: 
> > 
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[RBW] Re: The One in Which LeahFoy Races the Carbon Riders Up Killer Hill

[Reid]

My dear Ms. Foy,

>From where does one obtain such a hat?

Yrs,

Reid

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Re: [RBW] The One in Which LeahFoy Races the Carbon Riders Up Killer Hill

[Leah Peterson]

Because a lugged steel beaut that is so good that it can - with its rider in a 
silly sundress -  smoke your fancy carbon machine...well, that Roadini order is 
as good as placed. I won't even ask Grant for any commission.

Sent from my iPhone

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[RBW] The One in Which LeahFoy Races the Carbon Riders Up Killer Hill

[Joe Bernard]

APPROVED!!!

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[RBW] The One in Which LeahFoy Races the Carbon Riders Up Killer Hill

[LeahFoy]

PS I'm gonna do it in a sundress and sandals. 

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[RBW] Re: Even a riv (design) can wobble

[RonaTD]

On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 at 5:08:02 PM UTC-5, christian poppell wrote:
>
>
> Experienced shimmy for the first time ever going 17ish mph downhill with 
> my hands off the bars (64cm Orange Quickbeam). Had a small amount of stuff 
> in a saddle bag and a down sleeping bag strapped to my bars. 
>

That sounds similar to the circumstances under which I have had shimmy with 
Riv/Grant designed bikes - saddle bag plus handlebar bag. Just one or the 
other, no shimmy. Both - shimmy. I was able to pretty reliably replicate 
it. The amount of weight in each bag could vary a fair amount, but there 
had to be weight in both places.


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[RBW] The One in Which LeahFoy Races the Carbon Riders Up Killer Hill

[LeahFoy]

Joe, if that's true it was completely wasted on me! Like, woah, right over my 
wide-brimmed, hatted head. Worse, does that mean he really wasn't enamored with 
my bike? Because GEEZ, is anyone in Vegas ever going to appreciate my bike?!? 
If I see him tomorrow on Killer Hill I'm going to SMOKE him out there, and then 
we'll see how he feels about TBBITW. Ha!!!

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[RBW] The One in Which LeahFoy Races the Carbon Riders Up Killer Hill

[Joe Bernard]

Leah, I love this adorable story, but you missed a really clear point which 
makes your telling of the story even more amusing: The guy who came back to 
talk more was flirting with you! ;-)

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Re: [RBW] Re: The One in Which LeahFoy Races the Carbon Riders Up Killer Hill

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I think Leah should purchase Bruce Gordon Cycles. Now *that*'s a campaign I 
would donate to...


On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 at 10:07:39 PM UTC-4, Ray Varella wrote:
>
> Leah,
>If you are a Costco member, just log onto their photo department, 
> upload the images you want to print, choose the size you want, they have a 
> cropping feature so you can set the image up the way you want it. 
> Place your order and either pick it up at the store or have it mailed to 
> you. 
> A number of drug store chains also do photos and if you still have a local 
> camera store, they likely offer photo services as well. 
>
> Great story! I wonder how the other guy will tell his version. Maybe you 
> will become this racer chick disguised in casual clothes, riding a sleeper 
> bike. 
>
> Ray
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: The One in Which LeahFoy Races the Carbon Riders Up Killer Hill

[Ray Varella]

Leah,
   If you are a Costco member, just log onto their photo department, upload 
the images you want to print, choose the size you want, they have a cropping 
feature so you can set the image up the way you want it. 
Place your order and either pick it up at the store or have it mailed to you. 
A number of drug store chains also do photos and if you still have a local 
camera store, they likely offer photo services as well. 

Great story! I wonder how the other guy will tell his version. Maybe you will 
become this racer chick disguised in casual clothes, riding a sleeper bike. 

Ray

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[RBW] FS: Berthoud 650b fenders, Schwalbe Big Ben Cream 700x50, Brazed Bosco Bullmoose 58cm 12 Degree

[adam leibow]

hello

i have some stuff for sale

berthoud 650b fenders, 50mm wide smooth stainless steel ~ some use, 
condition's pretty good - idunno $65 shipped 
(2) Schwalbe Big Ben Cream 700x50 - very minor use and >99% of life left. 
just bought these off a lister but I already had a set, $50 shipped (what I 
paid for them)
Bosco Bullmoose from Rivendell and Nitto, 58cm wide, Fillet brazed. Please 
note these are the weird 12degree ones! they bend down more! - $120 shipped

I will give a discount for local pickup in San Francisco. I will take pics 
a bit later. 

holler atcher boi (310) 963 6959 or just email. 

Thanks!!

Adam

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Re: [RBW] Re: The One in Which LeahFoy Races the Carbon Riders Up Killer Hill

[Broccoli Cog]

Great story! Well done!! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: The One in Which LeahFoy Races the Carbon Riders Up Killer Hill

[LeahFoy]

René, Biking Queen has a darn nice ring to it! I should have a patch made! 
Bill, if I can figure out how to print these photos and make them the right 
size I shall do as you say!

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[RBW] Re: Save Bruce Gordon Cycles

[John]

Hi Evan,

In the past, you have been very helpful with answers to my questions 
here on the RBW Owners Bunch, and I thank you again.

However, and I say this respectfully, if your pitch doesn't go over 
well, you change and refine your sales pitch. You do not lose your temper 
or insult your prospective investors or donors.

   I wish you success, but minus a clear business plan, your pitch raises 
questions and suspicions. It also doesn't help for your partner to insult 
the members of RBW & iBOB, accusing them of racism. I, myself, am of 
Mexican / American descent. My partner is also of Mexican / American 
descent. Our ancestors were here before the war, the Mexican-American War. 
Our families say, "We didn't move, the border did."  And we ride bikes! No 
one on the RBW or the iBOB list insulted POC.

In summary:  Pitch for Donations + Questions from Prospective Donors + 
Angry Retorts & Accusations of Racism = RED FLAG!!!

Please go back to the drawing board and refine your pitch and your business 
plan.

Wishing you success with your new school and museum,

John 



On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 8:40:21 PM UTC-7, Evan Baird wrote:
>
> Cross Post from BOB
>
> Hey Everybody. I spoke with Bruce Gordon again this afternoon and he still 
> hasn't found a buyer for his shop. My partner Norma and I decided that we 
> want to try to raise the money to turn BG Cycles into a frame building 
> school and bike touring museum and open it to the public. I think what 
> Bruce is asking is an insanely low amount of one of the most respected 
> names in custom bicycles and I think that he deserves a comfortable 
> retirement after everything he's done for the American Bike Industry. If 
> you can't support us directly please help us spread the word about our 
> crowdfunding campaign. We have about a month to pull this off, after which 
> Bruce told me he's just going to take his bicycle collection to the 
> recyclers and scrap the lot. I really believe he intends to do that, and I 
> would break my heart to see such beautiful and historical bikes get 
> destroyed.
>
>
> https://www.gofundme.com/save-bruce-gordon-cycles
>
>
> 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: The One in Which LeahFoy Races the Carbon Riders Up Killer Hill

[Julian Westerhout]

Agree 100%. Hilarious photos with great Riv content. 

On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 at 2:59:49 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Follow these instructions precisely, carefully, and immediately.
>
> 1.  Ride to the grocery store
> 2.  Buy one can of your favorite canned seafood product.  Smoked salmon is 
> a good choice
> 3.  Eat contents of can, and wash it out.
> 4.  Affix these two Irish-strap-hat-configuration photos into the fish can
> 5.  Mail to Grant at Riv HQ
>
> You will be fish-can wall of fame immortalized, as you deserve.
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 at 12:32:12 PM UTC-7, LeahFoy wrote:
>>
>> Wally, right you are! Were you thinking this or this?
>>
>> [image: image1.JPG]
>> [image: image2.JPG]
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 24, 2017, at 11:51 AM, Wally Estrella  wrote:
>>
>> John's Irish Straps.
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 at 2:17:19 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> The Best Bike In The World remains undefeated, and undefeatable.  FACT!
>>>
>>> I vigorously approve of the wide brimmed hat, although at your speed, 
>>> you might find you need a chin strap to keep it on.  Whoosh!  
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 at 10:22:34 AM UTC-7, LeahFoy wrote:

 *The following contains anecdotes about pretty bikes and cute clothes 
 and girly hashtags. Not suitable for all audiences. Those without sense of 
 humor ought not proceed.* 

 I was feeling pretty good on this breezy and sunny morning as I biked 
 up Killer Hill on TBBITW. The boys were safely deposited at school, their 
 bikes in the racks and backpacks on their backs. I was unladen and free 
 and 
 feeling the contentment one can only feel after one has been shopping the 
 day before and bought cute new clothes. I had on a simple tee (new), 
 shorts 
 (also new) and my (new) favorite thing (heaven help me, my husband really 
 should make me get a job!), a white, wide-brimmed hat in a style I have 
 coined "outdoor chic." On my lovely bike, sailing along I felt like 
 #thatsdarling and not even Killer Hill could dampen the mood! Towards the 
 worst of the hill I happened to catch something in my peripheral vision. 
 Two riders, donning full lycra on fat-tubed carbon bikes with helmets and 
 helmet mirrors and clippy shoes, were on the other side of the road amidst 
 traffic trying to conquer the hill. I found the whole thing hilarious, as 
 I 
 imagined I looked like some sort of caricature of a "real" rider to them. 
 I 
 don't know what came over me. The Bike Snob has made fun of people who do 
 exactly this, but I lost all control of myself and I did it: I shifted 
 into 
 the granny gear and let my legs fly as I raced those guys up Killer Hill. 

 The older guy beat me, fair and square, but barely. The other guy 
 pushed his bike up the hill. He circled the roundabout, passed by and said 
 something about "good job on that hill." I told him I do it twice a day, 
 laughed a bit and carried on. Moments later, I was aware of someone behind 
 me on the path. There he was again! And he wanted a word with me. 

 "How many gears does that bike have?" he asked, pulling even with me. 
 "I don't know. It's friction shifting." 
 "What a cool bike! It's an old one!" he exclaimed, riding abreast of 
 me. 
 "Actually, I got it in 2012. It's a Rivendell - they take all the best 
 things from the past and all the best things from the present, put them 
 together and create this awesome bike. It's lugged steel and perfect and I 
 will be riding it still in 40 years." 

 He talked bout the touring he does and how he misses biking in CA (me, 
 too) and how he has big plans for an upcoming trip with 38,000 feet of 
 climbing. Then we stopped so he could wait for his buddy and really look 
 over TBBITW. He loved the grips ("Are they wooden?!"), he loved the bars 
 ("Wow, I really like the shape of those!"), he admired the racks ("I love 
 how you have these racks and panniers!"). He asked me all about Rivendell, 
 and I did my best to tell him. He had never heard of it, so I tried to jog 
 his memory (Do you read the Bike Snob? Heard of Bridgestone? No?). I fear 
 we're in different biking worlds, I said. I finally hit pay-dirt when I 
 asked if he's ever heard the term "retrogrouch." Yeah, in fact he had. 
 "Well that was coined to describe Grant Petersen." I hope I told him 
 right; 
 that was my understanding, at least. He continued to notice little details 
 on my bike and I continued to purr like a cat on the inside, because how 
 often does ANYONE appreciate my retro-beach-cruiser-no gears-bike? 
 Finally, 
 someone who was beginning to see it for what it is. A legit bike that is 
 beautiful and functional and can beat you up Killer Hill. 

[RBW] Re: PSA: Coffee Outside Bay Area

[Kellie]

This Sat. 5/27, 7AM. Hope to see you there!

On Sunday, February 19, 2017 at 12:01:27 PM UTC-8, Kellie wrote:
>
> *Chasing Mailboxes* has "Coffee Friday," @foundinthemountains (Vancouver) 
> has #coffeeoutsideyvc. Now there's *Coffee Outside Bay Area *(SF): first 
> meet-up is Sat. March 3, 7AM west side of Marina Park on the SF Bay Trail, 
> near Salute Restaurant, Marina Bay. Bring your coffee making set-up (or 
> thermos), share the sunrise , be with like-minded people . Only 4.5 
> miles from the El Cerrito  Plaza BART-you can ride the SF Bay Trail most of 
> the way. More info @coyboygrrl (Instagram).
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: The One in Which LeahFoy Races the Carbon Riders Up Killer Hill

[dougP]

You had me at the disclaimer; who could not read what follows?  Too funny!  
"...shifted into granny gear."  I really hope that guy follows thru on 
his curiousity.  

dougP

On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 at 10:22:34 AM UTC-7, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> *The following contains anecdotes about pretty bikes and cute clothes and 
> girly hashtags. Not suitable for all audiences. Those without sense of 
> humor ought not proceed.* 
>
> I was feeling pretty good on this breezy and sunny morning as I biked up 
> Killer Hill on TBBITW. The boys were safely deposited at school, their 
> bikes in the racks and backpacks on their backs. I was unladen and free and 
> feeling the contentment one can only feel after one has been shopping the 
> day before and bought cute new clothes. I had on a simple tee (new), shorts 
> (also new) and my (new) favorite thing (heaven help me, my husband really 
> should make me get a job!), a white, wide-brimmed hat in a style I have 
> coined "outdoor chic." On my lovely bike, sailing along I felt like 
> #thatsdarling and not even Killer Hill could dampen the mood! Towards the 
> worst of the hill I happened to catch something in my peripheral vision. 
> Two riders, donning full lycra on fat-tubed carbon bikes with helmets and 
> helmet mirrors and clippy shoes, were on the other side of the road amidst 
> traffic trying to conquer the hill. I found the whole thing hilarious, as I 
> imagined I looked like some sort of caricature of a "real" rider to them. I 
> don't know what came over me. The Bike Snob has made fun of people who do 
> exactly this, but I lost all control of myself and I did it: I shifted into 
> the granny gear and let my legs fly as I raced those guys up Killer Hill. 
>
> The older guy beat me, fair and square, but barely. The other guy pushed 
> his bike up the hill. He circled the roundabout, passed by and said 
> something about "good job on that hill." I told him I do it twice a day, 
> laughed a bit and carried on. Moments later, I was aware of someone behind 
> me on the path. There he was again! And he wanted a word with me. 
>
> "How many gears does that bike have?" he asked, pulling even with me. 
> "I don't know. It's friction shifting." 
> "What a cool bike! It's an old one!" he exclaimed, riding abreast of me. 
> "Actually, I got it in 2012. It's a Rivendell - they take all the best 
> things from the past and all the best things from the present, put them 
> together and create this awesome bike. It's lugged steel and perfect and I 
> will be riding it still in 40 years." 
>
> He talked bout the touring he does and how he misses biking in CA (me, 
> too) and how he has big plans for an upcoming trip with 38,000 feet of 
> climbing. Then we stopped so he could wait for his buddy and really look 
> over TBBITW. He loved the grips ("Are they wooden?!"), he loved the bars 
> ("Wow, I really like the shape of those!"), he admired the racks ("I love 
> how you have these racks and panniers!"). He asked me all about Rivendell, 
> and I did my best to tell him. He had never heard of it, so I tried to jog 
> his memory (Do you read the Bike Snob? Heard of Bridgestone? No?). I fear 
> we're in different biking worlds, I said. I finally hit pay-dirt when I 
> asked if he's ever heard the term "retrogrouch." Yeah, in fact he had. 
> "Well that was coined to describe Grant Petersen." I hope I told him right; 
> that was my understanding, at least. He continued to notice little details 
> on my bike and I continued to purr like a cat on the inside, because how 
> often does ANYONE appreciate my retro-beach-cruiser-no gears-bike? Finally, 
> someone who was beginning to see it for what it is. A legit bike that is 
> beautiful and functional and can beat you up Killer Hill. 
>
> His buddy finally arrived and was so worn out he wouldn't even get off his 
> bike; he rode it in slow circles as he gasped for breath. He gave me the 
> side eye as I stood there in my silly outfit with my silly bike, having 
> beat him by a mile. Oh, I hope he has a sense of humor! 
>
> "Come and look at this girl's bike!" said his friend. 
> "Let's go get Starbucks, " he said, "I'm burning up." 
>
> You can't win 'em all, folks! But maybe rivbike.com will get a new 
> visitor, and possibly a new bike order. 
>
> Yours, Leah 
>
> PS. Two photos for visuals to this zany tale. 1. No one can ignore a bike 
> this gorgeous! Robin's egg blue with red heart lugs, and all the bags you 
> could want, for crying out loud! 2. And this hat, which is 30% off right 
> now and would look splendid with your fancy Rivs. #thatsdarling

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[RBW] Re: HubbuHubbuH ride report

[Bill Lindsay]

There is no HubbuHubbuH page on which I can write a review, but I did post 
a comment on Grant's Blahg post today, where Grant did make a couple of HHH 
comments.  

Provocatively, Grant said: "so much going on behind the scenes with the 
bikes. The Roadini, Atlantis, Cheviot, Sam. Please stick with us"  

Bill 'staying-tuned' Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 at 2:13:23 PM UTC-7, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> Now head to the website and post it as a review!

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[RBW] Re: Even a riv (design) can wobble

[dougP]

Here's a thought that I need to embrace:

" Here’s what I think, not what I know:"

The older I get, the less I know.

dougP

On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 at 7:31:35 AM UTC-7, Spencer Hawkes wrote:
>
> A (maybe) helpful article.
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/pages/shimmy-shimmy-coco-bop-shimmy-shimmy-bop
>

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[RBW] FS: Nitto Rack Mark's Platrack

[Jason Ferrier]

$120 plus shipping.

Mint condition outside of the slight marks where the mounting hardware 
scuffs the finish on the bolt tabs.
Photo gallery here 




*From Rivendell's site back when these were available:*

*Mark worked on this for most of a year, working closely with Nitto's Mr. 
Yoshikawa until all the bugs were gone and there was nothing to add or take 
away.*

*It is not a stand-alone rack. It works only for sure with either Mark's 
Rack or the Nitto Mini-Front. It won't work with the Nitto M-12. The front 
part of that rack (which on first glance looks nearly identical to our 
Mini-Front)--the front part is round, with no way to attach this baby.*

*The idea from the get-go was to use the small Mini-front and Mark's rack 
as a platform for a broad extension that would triple the surface area, and 
thus allow you to carry bigger and ganglier loads; and that is does.*

*It also had to mount and unmount easily, so you could put it on in a 
couple of easy minutes, and remove it even faster. It does that, too.*

*And it had to be a backwards-compatible add-on rather than a stand-alone 
rack, so you don't have to undo your Mark's or Mini to put this one on. The 
SlickerSack is perfect for this--since it was designed for it. It's great 
for commuting, shopping, camping. It goes on and off quickly, looks super 
neat, and works as a suitcase or carry-on, too. It's perfect for touring 
and bike camping--it holds a lot and has accessory patches for tieing a 
tent or pad or sleeping bag on top.*

*How To Use It Nitto PlatRack*

*You lay the load onto it and strap it down. For tours and S24O bike 
camping trips, it'll fit a tent, sleeping bag, and pad. The rest of your 
gear can fit in back. Around town, zip-tie a basket onto it, and it's ready 
for groceries. It's just one more way to carry a commute load, either in a 
basket or a nifty new Platrack bag made just for it called the SlickerSack.*

*It weighs 17.5 ounces. So, when you add the weight of the necessary Mark's 
rack or Nitto Mini front, it's still under 2lb. And it's tubular CrMo.  If 
you're a rack person, this is a good one.*

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Re: [RBW] The One in Which LeahFoy Races the Carbon Riders Up Killer Hill

[Andrew Letton]

Good on ya', Leah! Great story!cheers from Oz,Andrew

  From: LeahFoy 
 To: RBW Owners Bunch  
 Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 3:22 AM
 Subject: [RBW] The One in Which LeahFoy Races the Carbon Riders Up Killer Hill
   
*The following contains anecdotes about pretty bikes and cute clothes and girly 
hashtags. Not suitable for all audiences. Those without sense of humor ought 
not proceed.*

I was feeling pretty good on this breezy and sunny morning as I biked up Killer 
Hill on TBBITW. The boys were safely deposited at school, their bikes in the 
racks and backpacks on their backs. I was unladen and free and feeling the 
contentment one can only feel after one has been shopping the day before and 
bought cute new clothes. I had on a simple tee (new), shorts (also new) and my 
(new) favorite thing (heaven help me, my husband really should make me get a 
job!), a white, wide-brimmed hat in a style I have coined "outdoor chic." On my 
lovely bike, sailing along I felt like #thatsdarling and not even Killer Hill 
could dampen the mood! Towards the worst of the hill I happened to catch 
something in my peripheral vision. Two riders, donning full lycra on fat-tubed 
carbon bikes with helmets and helmet mirrors and clippy shoes, were on the 
other side of the road amidst traffic trying to conquer the hill. I found the 
whole thing hilarious, as I imagined I looked like some sort of caricature of a 
"real" rider to them. I don't know what came over me. The Bike Snob has made 
fun of people who do exactly this, but I lost all control of myself and I did 
it: I shifted into the granny gear and let my legs fly as I raced those guys up 
Killer Hill. 

The older guy beat me, fair and square, but barely. The other guy pushed his 
bike up the hill. He circled the roundabout, passed by and said something about 
"good job on that hill." I told him I do it twice a day, laughed a bit and 
carried on. Moments later, I was aware of someone behind me on the path. There 
he was again! And he wanted a word with me. 

"How many gears does that bike have?" he asked, pulling even with me. 
"I don't know. It's friction shifting." 
"What a cool bike! It's an old one!" he exclaimed, riding abreast of me.
"Actually, I got it in 2012. It's a Rivendell - they take all the best things 
from the past and all the best things from the present, put them together and 
create this awesome bike. It's lugged steel and perfect and I will be riding it 
still in 40 years."

He talked bout the touring he does and how he misses biking in CA (me, too) and 
how he has big plans for an upcoming trip with 38,000 feet of climbing. Then we 
stopped so he could wait for his buddy and really look over TBBITW. He loved 
the grips ("Are they wooden?!"), he loved the bars ("Wow, I really like the 
shape of those!"), he admired the racks ("I love how you have these racks and 
panniers!"). He asked me all about Rivendell, and I did my best to tell him. He 
had never heard of it, so I tried to jog his memory (Do you read the Bike Snob? 
Heard of Bridgestone? No?). I fear we're in different biking worlds, I said. I 
finally hit pay-dirt when I asked if he's ever heard the term "retrogrouch." 
Yeah, in fact he had. "Well that was coined to describe Grant Petersen." I hope 
I told him right; that was my understanding, at least. He continued to notice 
little details on my bike and I continued to purr like a cat on the inside, 
because how often does ANYONE appreciate my retro-beach-cruiser-no gears-bike? 
Finally, someone who was beginning to see it for what it is. A legit bike that 
is beautiful and functional and can beat you up Killer Hill.

His buddy finally arrived and was so worn out he wouldn't even get off his 
bike; he rode it in slow circles as he gasped for breath. He gave me the side 
eye as I stood there in my silly outfit with my silly bike, having beat him by 
a mile. Oh, I hope he has a sense of humor! 

"Come and look at this girl's bike!" said his friend. 
"Let's go get Starbucks, " he said, "I'm burning up." 

You can't win 'em all, folks! But maybe rivbike.com will get a new visitor, and 
possibly a new bike order. 

Yours, Leah

PS. Two photos for visuals to this zany tale. 1. No one can ignore a bike this 
gorgeous! Robin's egg blue with red heart lugs, and all the bags you could 
want, for crying out loud! 2. And this hat, which is 30% off right now and 
would look splendid with your fancy Rivs. #thatsdarling

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[RBW] Re: Even a riv (design) can wobble

[christian poppell]

Experienced shimmy for the first time ever going 17ish mph downhill with my 
hands off the bars (64cm Orange Quickbeam). Had a small amount of stuff in 
a saddle bag and a down sleeping bag strapped to my bars. 

The fix was to put my hands on the bars and keep going. Cheap and 
effective. 


On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 7:42:46 PM UTC-7, Bruce K Jamison wrote:
>
> My SOMA San Marcos 59cm has been a great bike.  At the end of a long ride 
> where I was admittedly tired and not riding in the best fashion (no hands, 
> leaning way back in the saddle), the bike got the dreaded wobble.   It went 
> away quickly.  I went over the bike checking the usual suspects, and am 
> happy to say everything is fine again.   But I was really surprised that it 
> happened at all.   The San Marcos is so stable and it’s even a 2X top tube 
> model.I guess it’s only human….  
>
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[RBW] Re: The One in Which LeahFoy Races the Carbon Riders Up Killer Hill

[Ryan Fleming]

Leah...your writing and sense of humour is terrific as is your BBITW. I 
like your hat, too...with or without the Irish straps

You should totally do what Bill suggested with the sardine can picture with 
the hat and the bikes ; it'll be on the sardine can wall of fame for sure.

On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 at 12:22:34 PM UTC-5, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> *The following contains anecdotes about pretty bikes and cute clothes and 
> girly hashtags. Not suitable for all audiences. Those without sense of 
> humor ought not proceed.* 
>
> I was feeling pretty good on this breezy and sunny morning as I biked up 
> Killer Hill on TBBITW. The boys were safely deposited at school, their 
> bikes in the racks and backpacks on their backs. I was unladen and free and 
> feeling the contentment one can only feel after one has been shopping the 
> day before and bought cute new clothes. I had on a simple tee (new), shorts 
> (also new) and my (new) favorite thing (heaven help me, my husband really 
> should make me get a job!), a white, wide-brimmed hat in a style I have 
> coined "outdoor chic." On my lovely bike, sailing along I felt like 
> #thatsdarling and not even Killer Hill could dampen the mood! Towards the 
> worst of the hill I happened to catch something in my peripheral vision. 
> Two riders, donning full lycra on fat-tubed carbon bikes with helmets and 
> helmet mirrors and clippy shoes, were on the other side of the road amidst 
> traffic trying to conquer the hill. I found the whole thing hilarious, as I 
> imagined I looked like some sort of caricature of a "real" rider to them. I 
> don't know what came over me. The Bike Snob has made fun of people who do 
> exactly this, but I lost all control of myself and I did it: I shifted into 
> the granny gear and let my legs fly as I raced those guys up Killer Hill. 
>
> The older guy beat me, fair and square, but barely. The other guy pushed 
> his bike up the hill. He circled the roundabout, passed by and said 
> something about "good job on that hill." I told him I do it twice a day, 
> laughed a bit and carried on. Moments later, I was aware of someone behind 
> me on the path. There he was again! And he wanted a word with me. 
>
> "How many gears does that bike have?" he asked, pulling even with me. 
> "I don't know. It's friction shifting." 
> "What a cool bike! It's an old one!" he exclaimed, riding abreast of me. 
> "Actually, I got it in 2012. It's a Rivendell - they take all the best 
> things from the past and all the best things from the present, put them 
> together and create this awesome bike. It's lugged steel and perfect and I 
> will be riding it still in 40 years." 
>
> He talked bout the touring he does and how he misses biking in CA (me, 
> too) and how he has big plans for an upcoming trip with 38,000 feet of 
> climbing. Then we stopped so he could wait for his buddy and really look 
> over TBBITW. He loved the grips ("Are they wooden?!"), he loved the bars 
> ("Wow, I really like the shape of those!"), he admired the racks ("I love 
> how you have these racks and panniers!"). He asked me all about Rivendell, 
> and I did my best to tell him. He had never heard of it, so I tried to jog 
> his memory (Do you read the Bike Snob? Heard of Bridgestone? No?). I fear 
> we're in different biking worlds, I said. I finally hit pay-dirt when I 
> asked if he's ever heard the term "retrogrouch." Yeah, in fact he had. 
> "Well that was coined to describe Grant Petersen." I hope I told him right; 
> that was my understanding, at least. He continued to notice little details 
> on my bike and I continued to purr like a cat on the inside, because how 
> often does ANYONE appreciate my retro-beach-cruiser-no gears-bike? Finally, 
> someone who was beginning to see it for what it is. A legit bike that is 
> beautiful and functional and can beat you up Killer Hill. 
>
> His buddy finally arrived and was so worn out he wouldn't even get off his 
> bike; he rode it in slow circles as he gasped for breath. He gave me the 
> side eye as I stood there in my silly outfit with my silly bike, having 
> beat him by a mile. Oh, I hope he has a sense of humor! 
>
> "Come and look at this girl's bike!" said his friend. 
> "Let's go get Starbucks, " he said, "I'm burning up." 
>
> You can't win 'em all, folks! But maybe rivbike.com will get a new 
> visitor, and possibly a new bike order. 
>
> Yours, Leah 
>
> PS. Two photos for visuals to this zany tale. 1. No one can ignore a bike 
> this gorgeous! Robin's egg blue with red heart lugs, and all the bags you 
> could want, for crying out loud! 2. And this hat, which is 30% off right 
> now and would look splendid with your fancy Rivs. #thatsdarling

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[RBW] Re: HubbuHubbuH ride report

[LeahFoy]

Now head to the website and post it as a review!

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[RBW] The One in Which LeahFoy Races the Carbon Riders Up Killer Hill

[WETH]

Great hat and another wonderful narrative!
I do love: "I don't know. It's friction shifting." perfect!!

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Re: [RBW] Re: The One in Which LeahFoy Races the Carbon Riders Up Killer Hill

[René Sterental]

Leah, you are the Biking Queen!!! See that girl, watch that bike, she is
the Biking Queen!!!

And that's an awesome Hat!

René

On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 11:08 PM Ian A  wrote:

> What a great story! It reminds me of a time when I was touring and was
> accordingly in good shape and was riding along quite happily one day when a
> person, similarly attired to your carbon racers, but on a fast modern
> mountain bike, hopped close on my back wheel without asking. I was a little
> annoyed (I don't mind someone jumping on my wheel if they ask first), so
> pulled away and heard him breathing hard, I gave that pace a little time
> then sped up further.  A couple of miles down the road, I stopped (quite
> winded) and relaxed at a pull out, looking like I was enjoying the scenery.
> He came by looking very annoyed and didn't return my greeting. So I caught
> him and passed him! I was on a long tour and was riding a lot of hours a
> week, so I had an unfair advantage.
>
> IanA
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 at 11:22:34 AM UTC-6, LeahFoy wrote:
>>
>> *The following contains anecdotes about pretty bikes and cute clothes and
>> girly hashtags. Not suitable for all audiences. Those without sense of
>> humor ought not proceed.*
>>
>> I was feeling pretty good on this breezy and sunny morning as I biked up
>> Killer Hill on TBBITW. The boys were safely deposited at school, their
>> bikes in the racks and backpacks on their backs. I was unladen and free and
>> feeling the contentment one can only feel after one has been shopping the
>> day before and bought cute new clothes. I had on a simple tee (new), shorts
>> (also new) and my (new) favorite thing (heaven help me, my husband really
>> should make me get a job!), a white, wide-brimmed hat in a style I have
>> coined "outdoor chic." On my lovely bike, sailing along I felt like
>> #thatsdarling and not even Killer Hill could dampen the mood! Towards the
>> worst of the hill I happened to catch something in my peripheral vision.
>> Two riders, donning full lycra on fat-tubed carbon bikes with helmets and
>> helmet mirrors and clippy shoes, were on the other side of the road amidst
>> traffic trying to conquer the hill. I found the whole thing hilarious, as I
>> imagined I looked like some sort of caricature of a "real" rider to them. I
>> don't know what came over me. The Bike Snob has made fun of people who do
>> exactly this, but I lost all control of myself and I did it: I shifted into
>> the granny gear and let my legs fly as I raced those guys up Killer Hill.
>>
>> The older guy beat me, fair and square, but barely. The other guy pushed
>> his bike up the hill. He circled the roundabout, passed by and said
>> something about "good job on that hill." I told him I do it twice a day,
>> laughed a bit and carried on. Moments later, I was aware of someone behind
>> me on the path. There he was again! And he wanted a word with me.
>>
>> "How many gears does that bike have?" he asked, pulling even with me.
>> "I don't know. It's friction shifting."
>> "What a cool bike! It's an old one!" he exclaimed, riding abreast of me.
>> "Actually, I got it in 2012. It's a Rivendell - they take all the best
>> things from the past and all the best things from the present, put them
>> together and create this awesome bike. It's lugged steel and perfect and I
>> will be riding it still in 40 years."
>>
>> He talked bout the touring he does and how he misses biking in CA (me,
>> too) and how he has big plans for an upcoming trip with 38,000 feet of
>> climbing. Then we stopped so he could wait for his buddy and really look
>> over TBBITW. He loved the grips ("Are they wooden?!"), he loved the bars
>> ("Wow, I really like the shape of those!"), he admired the racks ("I love
>> how you have these racks and panniers!"). He asked me all about Rivendell,
>> and I did my best to tell him. He had never heard of it, so I tried to jog
>> his memory (Do you read the Bike Snob? Heard of Bridgestone? No?). I fear
>> we're in different biking worlds, I said. I finally hit pay-dirt when I
>> asked if he's ever heard the term "retrogrouch." Yeah, in fact he had.
>> "Well that was coined to describe Grant Petersen." I hope I told him right;
>> that was my understanding, at least. He continued to notice little details
>> on my bike and I continued to purr like a cat on the inside, because how
>> often does ANYONE appreciate my retro-beach-cruiser-no gears-bike? Finally,
>> someone who was beginning to see it for what it is. A legit bike that is
>> beautiful and functional and can beat you up Killer Hill.
>>
>> His buddy finally arrived and was so worn out he wouldn't even get off
>> his bike; he rode it in slow circles as he gasped for breath. He gave me
>> the side eye as I stood there in my silly outfit with my silly bike, having
>> beat him by a mile. Oh, I hope he has a sense of humor!
>>
>> "Come and look at this girl's bike!" said his friend.
>> "Let's go get Starbucks, " he said, 

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Silver Crankarm torque value?

[EasyRider]

If you call Riv, please post the answer here. Riv lists the torque spec for 
the XD2 on the site, but not for the Silver.

Pete
Arlington, VA

On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 at 10:52:02 AM UTC-4, Ryan Thompson wrote:
>
> The only reason I ask is I've recently had to replace a NDS crankarm from 
> a Sugino XD2 on my Cheviot due to it constantly loosening and me constantly 
> tightening it.  On the new crankarm, I lightly greased the spindle and 
> tighten the crankarm to 35 n/m, which seemed really snug.
>
> On to the Silver cranks on my HHH, I really want to get the installation 
> right so I don't end up screwing up another crankarm.  
>
> Does anyone have the mfg suggested torque value or should I just call Mark 
> at Riv?
>
> Thanks,
> Ryan
> Arlington, VA
>

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[RBW] Re: HubbuHubbuH ride report

['Rick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Love it.

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[RBW] Re: The One in Which LeahFoy Races the Carbon Riders Up Killer Hill

[Ian A]

What a great story! It reminds me of a time when I was touring and was 
accordingly in good shape and was riding along quite happily one day when a 
person, similarly attired to your carbon racers, but on a fast modern 
mountain bike, hopped close on my back wheel without asking. I was a little 
annoyed (I don't mind someone jumping on my wheel if they ask first), so 
pulled away and heard him breathing hard, I gave that pace a little time 
then sped up further.  A couple of miles down the road, I stopped (quite 
winded) and relaxed at a pull out, looking like I was enjoying the scenery. 
He came by looking very annoyed and didn't return my greeting. So I caught 
him and passed him! I was on a long tour and was riding a lot of hours a 
week, so I had an unfair advantage.

IanA

On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 at 11:22:34 AM UTC-6, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> *The following contains anecdotes about pretty bikes and cute clothes and 
> girly hashtags. Not suitable for all audiences. Those without sense of 
> humor ought not proceed.* 
>
> I was feeling pretty good on this breezy and sunny morning as I biked up 
> Killer Hill on TBBITW. The boys were safely deposited at school, their 
> bikes in the racks and backpacks on their backs. I was unladen and free and 
> feeling the contentment one can only feel after one has been shopping the 
> day before and bought cute new clothes. I had on a simple tee (new), shorts 
> (also new) and my (new) favorite thing (heaven help me, my husband really 
> should make me get a job!), a white, wide-brimmed hat in a style I have 
> coined "outdoor chic." On my lovely bike, sailing along I felt like 
> #thatsdarling and not even Killer Hill could dampen the mood! Towards the 
> worst of the hill I happened to catch something in my peripheral vision. 
> Two riders, donning full lycra on fat-tubed carbon bikes with helmets and 
> helmet mirrors and clippy shoes, were on the other side of the road amidst 
> traffic trying to conquer the hill. I found the whole thing hilarious, as I 
> imagined I looked like some sort of caricature of a "real" rider to them. I 
> don't know what came over me. The Bike Snob has made fun of people who do 
> exactly this, but I lost all control of myself and I did it: I shifted into 
> the granny gear and let my legs fly as I raced those guys up Killer Hill. 
>
> The older guy beat me, fair and square, but barely. The other guy pushed 
> his bike up the hill. He circled the roundabout, passed by and said 
> something about "good job on that hill." I told him I do it twice a day, 
> laughed a bit and carried on. Moments later, I was aware of someone behind 
> me on the path. There he was again! And he wanted a word with me. 
>
> "How many gears does that bike have?" he asked, pulling even with me. 
> "I don't know. It's friction shifting." 
> "What a cool bike! It's an old one!" he exclaimed, riding abreast of me. 
> "Actually, I got it in 2012. It's a Rivendell - they take all the best 
> things from the past and all the best things from the present, put them 
> together and create this awesome bike. It's lugged steel and perfect and I 
> will be riding it still in 40 years." 
>
> He talked bout the touring he does and how he misses biking in CA (me, 
> too) and how he has big plans for an upcoming trip with 38,000 feet of 
> climbing. Then we stopped so he could wait for his buddy and really look 
> over TBBITW. He loved the grips ("Are they wooden?!"), he loved the bars 
> ("Wow, I really like the shape of those!"), he admired the racks ("I love 
> how you have these racks and panniers!"). He asked me all about Rivendell, 
> and I did my best to tell him. He had never heard of it, so I tried to jog 
> his memory (Do you read the Bike Snob? Heard of Bridgestone? No?). I fear 
> we're in different biking worlds, I said. I finally hit pay-dirt when I 
> asked if he's ever heard the term "retrogrouch." Yeah, in fact he had. 
> "Well that was coined to describe Grant Petersen." I hope I told him right; 
> that was my understanding, at least. He continued to notice little details 
> on my bike and I continued to purr like a cat on the inside, because how 
> often does ANYONE appreciate my retro-beach-cruiser-no gears-bike? Finally, 
> someone who was beginning to see it for what it is. A legit bike that is 
> beautiful and functional and can beat you up Killer Hill. 
>
> His buddy finally arrived and was so worn out he wouldn't even get off his 
> bike; he rode it in slow circles as he gasped for breath. He gave me the 
> side eye as I stood there in my silly outfit with my silly bike, having 
> beat him by a mile. Oh, I hope he has a sense of humor! 
>
> "Come and look at this girl's bike!" said his friend. 
> "Let's go get Starbucks, " he said, "I'm burning up." 
>
> You can't win 'em all, folks! But maybe rivbike.com will get a new 
> visitor, and possibly a new bike order. 
>
> Yours, Leah 
>
> PS. Two photos for visuals to this zany tale. 1. No one can ignore a 

Re: [RBW] Re: The One in Which LeahFoy Races the Carbon Riders Up Killer Hill

[Bill Lindsay]

Follow these instructions precisely, carefully, and immediately.

1.  Ride to the grocery store
2.  Buy one can of your favorite canned seafood product.  Smoked salmon is 
a good choice
3.  Eat contents of can, and wash it out.
4.  Affix these two Irish-strap-hat-configuration photos into the fish can
5.  Mail to Grant at Riv HQ

You will be fish-can wall of fame immortalized, as you deserve.

BL in EC

On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 at 12:32:12 PM UTC-7, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> Wally, right you are! Were you thinking this or this?
>
> [image: image1.JPG]
> [image: image2.JPG]
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 24, 2017, at 11:51 AM, Wally Estrella  > wrote:
>
> John's Irish Straps.
>
> On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 at 2:17:19 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> The Best Bike In The World remains undefeated, and undefeatable.  FACT!
>>
>> I vigorously approve of the wide brimmed hat, although at your speed, you 
>> might find you need a chin strap to keep it on.  Whoosh!  
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 at 10:22:34 AM UTC-7, LeahFoy wrote:
>>>
>>> *The following contains anecdotes about pretty bikes and cute clothes 
>>> and girly hashtags. Not suitable for all audiences. Those without sense of 
>>> humor ought not proceed.* 
>>>
>>> I was feeling pretty good on this breezy and sunny morning as I biked up 
>>> Killer Hill on TBBITW. The boys were safely deposited at school, their 
>>> bikes in the racks and backpacks on their backs. I was unladen and free and 
>>> feeling the contentment one can only feel after one has been shopping the 
>>> day before and bought cute new clothes. I had on a simple tee (new), shorts 
>>> (also new) and my (new) favorite thing (heaven help me, my husband really 
>>> should make me get a job!), a white, wide-brimmed hat in a style I have 
>>> coined "outdoor chic." On my lovely bike, sailing along I felt like 
>>> #thatsdarling and not even Killer Hill could dampen the mood! Towards the 
>>> worst of the hill I happened to catch something in my peripheral vision. 
>>> Two riders, donning full lycra on fat-tubed carbon bikes with helmets and 
>>> helmet mirrors and clippy shoes, were on the other side of the road amidst 
>>> traffic trying to conquer the hill. I found the whole thing hilarious, as I 
>>> imagined I looked like some sort of caricature of a "real" rider to them. I 
>>> don't know what came over me. The Bike Snob has made fun of people who do 
>>> exactly this, but I lost all control of myself and I did it: I shifted into 
>>> the granny gear and let my legs fly as I raced those guys up Killer Hill. 
>>>
>>> The older guy beat me, fair and square, but barely. The other guy pushed 
>>> his bike up the hill. He circled the roundabout, passed by and said 
>>> something about "good job on that hill." I told him I do it twice a day, 
>>> laughed a bit and carried on. Moments later, I was aware of someone behind 
>>> me on the path. There he was again! And he wanted a word with me. 
>>>
>>> "How many gears does that bike have?" he asked, pulling even with me. 
>>> "I don't know. It's friction shifting." 
>>> "What a cool bike! It's an old one!" he exclaimed, riding abreast of me. 
>>> "Actually, I got it in 2012. It's a Rivendell - they take all the best 
>>> things from the past and all the best things from the present, put them 
>>> together and create this awesome bike. It's lugged steel and perfect and I 
>>> will be riding it still in 40 years." 
>>>
>>> He talked bout the touring he does and how he misses biking in CA (me, 
>>> too) and how he has big plans for an upcoming trip with 38,000 feet of 
>>> climbing. Then we stopped so he could wait for his buddy and really look 
>>> over TBBITW. He loved the grips ("Are they wooden?!"), he loved the bars 
>>> ("Wow, I really like the shape of those!"), he admired the racks ("I love 
>>> how you have these racks and panniers!"). He asked me all about Rivendell, 
>>> and I did my best to tell him. He had never heard of it, so I tried to jog 
>>> his memory (Do you read the Bike Snob? Heard of Bridgestone? No?). I fear 
>>> we're in different biking worlds, I said. I finally hit pay-dirt when I 
>>> asked if he's ever heard the term "retrogrouch." Yeah, in fact he had. 
>>> "Well that was coined to describe Grant Petersen." I hope I told him right; 
>>> that was my understanding, at least. He continued to notice little details 
>>> on my bike and I continued to purr like a cat on the inside, because how 
>>> often does ANYONE appreciate my retro-beach-cruiser-no gears-bike? Finally, 
>>> someone who was beginning to see it for what it is. A legit bike that is 
>>> beautiful and functional and can beat you up Killer Hill. 
>>>
>>> His buddy finally arrived and was so worn out he wouldn't even get off 
>>> his bike; he rode it in slow circles as he gasped for breath. He gave me 
>>> the side eye as I stood there in my silly outfit with my silly bike, having 
>>> beat him by a mile. Oh, I 

Re: [RBW] Re: Save Bruce Gordon Cycles

[Joe Bernard]

This "scrap the bikes" myth is becoming legend. Come on, folks, I don't think 
BG honestly intends to destroy his bikes, he was just frustrated and howling at 
the moon when talking to a fellow industry guy. Is what I think. 

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[RBW] Re: 60cm Cheviot Owner Questions: Which Hitch-mounted Bike Racks Work & Largest Tire Width With Fenders

[Howard Hatten]

Single brakes can be bought from Paul Components 

Howard

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Re: [RBW] Re: The One in Which LeahFoy Races the Carbon Riders Up Killer Hill

[LeahFoy]

I'm glad you guys made it through that wall of text and laughed at the end of 
it. You guys make my bike life rich indeed! Thanks for the comments.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Save Bruce Gordon Cycles

[Chris Birkenmaier]

No, $25,000 per year is not much.  But I guess at some point adults do need 
to make decisions on how best to use their talents, interests, and 
education in pursuing a career.  Some  job choices just do not generate 
much income but presumably do afford the person other positive reasons for 
conducting their lives in a given fashion.

On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 at 12:35:18 PM UTC-4, Orc wrote:
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 at 8:50:20 AM UTC-7, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>>
>>  Perhaps he should have started an IRA years ago like many folks must do?
>>
>
> There was an article about BG a few years back in Adventure Cycling(I 
> think?  A pdf was posted somewhere -- not here -- in the middle of a "beat 
> up on Bruce Gordon" fest) where he estimated that his average yearly income 
> over the 40 years or so he'd been framebuilding was about $25k/year.   
> Thats, uh, not the sort of income that gives you a bountiful retirement 
> egg. 
>
> In the worst case he'll have social security (so we'll all be funding his 
> retirement, thank goodness) and a tiny revenue stream from selling RnR 
> tires, but that's edging close to catfood territory.
>
> -david parsons
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: The One in Which LeahFoy Races the Carbon Riders Up Killer Hill

[Leah Peterson]

Wally, right you are! Were you thinking this or this?



Sent from my iPhone

> On May 24, 2017, at 11:51 AM, Wally Estrella  wrote:
> 
> John's Irish Straps.
> 
>> On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 at 2:17:19 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>> The Best Bike In The World remains undefeated, and undefeatable.  FACT!
>> 
>> I vigorously approve of the wide brimmed hat, although at your speed, you 
>> might find you need a chin strap to keep it on.  Whoosh!  
>> 
>> BL in EC
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 at 10:22:34 AM UTC-7, LeahFoy wrote:
>>> *The following contains anecdotes about pretty bikes and cute clothes and 
>>> girly hashtags. Not suitable for all audiences. Those without sense of 
>>> humor ought not proceed.* 
>>> 
>>> I was feeling pretty good on this breezy and sunny morning as I biked up 
>>> Killer Hill on TBBITW. The boys were safely deposited at school, their 
>>> bikes in the racks and backpacks on their backs. I was unladen and free and 
>>> feeling the contentment one can only feel after one has been shopping the 
>>> day before and bought cute new clothes. I had on a simple tee (new), shorts 
>>> (also new) and my (new) favorite thing (heaven help me, my husband really 
>>> should make me get a job!), a white, wide-brimmed hat in a style I have 
>>> coined "outdoor chic." On my lovely bike, sailing along I felt like 
>>> #thatsdarling and not even Killer Hill could dampen the mood! Towards the 
>>> worst of the hill I happened to catch something in my peripheral vision. 
>>> Two riders, donning full lycra on fat-tubed carbon bikes with helmets and 
>>> helmet mirrors and clippy shoes, were on the other side of the road amidst 
>>> traffic trying to conquer the hill. I found the whole thing hilarious, as I 
>>> imagined I looked like some sort of caricature of a "real" rider to them. I 
>>> don't know what came over me. The Bike Snob has made fun of people who do 
>>> exactly this, but I lost all control of myself and I did it: I shifted into 
>>> the granny gear and let my legs fly as I raced those guys up Killer Hill. 
>>> 
>>> The older guy beat me, fair and square, but barely. The other guy pushed 
>>> his bike up the hill. He circled the roundabout, passed by and said 
>>> something about "good job on that hill." I told him I do it twice a day, 
>>> laughed a bit and carried on. Moments later, I was aware of someone behind 
>>> me on the path. There he was again! And he wanted a word with me. 
>>> 
>>> "How many gears does that bike have?" he asked, pulling even with me. 
>>> "I don't know. It's friction shifting." 
>>> "What a cool bike! It's an old one!" he exclaimed, riding abreast of me. 
>>> "Actually, I got it in 2012. It's a Rivendell - they take all the best 
>>> things from the past and all the best things from the present, put them 
>>> together and create this awesome bike. It's lugged steel and perfect and I 
>>> will be riding it still in 40 years." 
>>> 
>>> He talked bout the touring he does and how he misses biking in CA (me, too) 
>>> and how he has big plans for an upcoming trip with 38,000 feet of climbing. 
>>> Then we stopped so he could wait for his buddy and really look over TBBITW. 
>>> He loved the grips ("Are they wooden?!"), he loved the bars ("Wow, I really 
>>> like the shape of those!"), he admired the racks ("I love how you have 
>>> these racks and panniers!"). He asked me all about Rivendell, and I did my 
>>> best to tell him. He had never heard of it, so I tried to jog his memory 
>>> (Do you read the Bike Snob? Heard of Bridgestone? No?). I fear we're in 
>>> different biking worlds, I said. I finally hit pay-dirt when I asked if 
>>> he's ever heard the term "retrogrouch." Yeah, in fact he had. "Well that 
>>> was coined to describe Grant Petersen." I hope I told him right; that was 
>>> my understanding, at least. He continued to notice little details on my 
>>> bike and I continued to purr like a cat on the inside, because how often 
>>> does ANYONE appreciate my retro-beach-cruiser-no gears-bike? Finally, 
>>> someone who was beginning to see it for what it is. A legit bike that is 
>>> beautiful and functional and can beat you up Killer Hill. 
>>> 
>>> His buddy finally arrived and was so worn out he wouldn't even get off his 
>>> bike; he rode it in slow circles as he gasped for breath. He gave me the 
>>> side eye as I stood there in my silly outfit with my silly bike, having 
>>> beat him by a mile. Oh, I hope he has a sense of humor! 
>>> 
>>> "Come and look at this girl's bike!" said his friend. 
>>> "Let's go get Starbucks, " he said, "I'm burning up." 
>>> 
>>> You can't win 'em all, folks! But maybe rivbike.com will get a new visitor, 
>>> and possibly a new bike order. 
>>> 
>>> Yours, Leah 
>>> 
>>> PS. Two photos for visuals to this zany tale. 1. No one can ignore a bike 
>>> this gorgeous! Robin's egg blue with red heart lugs, and all the bags you 
>>> could want, for crying out loud! 2. And this hat, 

[RBW] Re: Camp Coffee/Coffee outside in Austin, Tx

[Stuart Lovinggood]

I don't have a camp setup but I'll probably just bring some home brew and 
hang out 

On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 at 12:27:47 PM UTC-5, Will Ashe wrote:
>
> Whoa, I'm definitely down with that! I plan on going to check it out, I 
> hope the folks who have shown interest here will come out as well.
>
> On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 at 9:58:36 AM UTC-5, Stuart Lovinggood wrote:
>>
>> Looks like Cycleast is kicking things off this Friday morning at the 
>> Lamar Pedestrian Bridge: https://instagram.com/p/BUehrqVDGwW/
>
>

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[RBW] Re: The One in Which LeahFoy Races the Carbon Riders Up Killer Hill

[Wally Estrella]

John's Irish Straps.

On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 at 2:17:19 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> The Best Bike In The World remains undefeated, and undefeatable.  FACT!
>
> I vigorously approve of the wide brimmed hat, although at your speed, you 
> might find you need a chin strap to keep it on.  Whoosh!  
>
> BL in EC
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 at 10:22:34 AM UTC-7, LeahFoy wrote:
>>
>> *The following contains anecdotes about pretty bikes and cute clothes and 
>> girly hashtags. Not suitable for all audiences. Those without sense of 
>> humor ought not proceed.* 
>>
>> I was feeling pretty good on this breezy and sunny morning as I biked up 
>> Killer Hill on TBBITW. The boys were safely deposited at school, their 
>> bikes in the racks and backpacks on their backs. I was unladen and free and 
>> feeling the contentment one can only feel after one has been shopping the 
>> day before and bought cute new clothes. I had on a simple tee (new), shorts 
>> (also new) and my (new) favorite thing (heaven help me, my husband really 
>> should make me get a job!), a white, wide-brimmed hat in a style I have 
>> coined "outdoor chic." On my lovely bike, sailing along I felt like 
>> #thatsdarling and not even Killer Hill could dampen the mood! Towards the 
>> worst of the hill I happened to catch something in my peripheral vision. 
>> Two riders, donning full lycra on fat-tubed carbon bikes with helmets and 
>> helmet mirrors and clippy shoes, were on the other side of the road amidst 
>> traffic trying to conquer the hill. I found the whole thing hilarious, as I 
>> imagined I looked like some sort of caricature of a "real" rider to them. I 
>> don't know what came over me. The Bike Snob has made fun of people who do 
>> exactly this, but I lost all control of myself and I did it: I shifted into 
>> the granny gear and let my legs fly as I raced those guys up Killer Hill. 
>>
>> The older guy beat me, fair and square, but barely. The other guy pushed 
>> his bike up the hill. He circled the roundabout, passed by and said 
>> something about "good job on that hill." I told him I do it twice a day, 
>> laughed a bit and carried on. Moments later, I was aware of someone behind 
>> me on the path. There he was again! And he wanted a word with me. 
>>
>> "How many gears does that bike have?" he asked, pulling even with me. 
>> "I don't know. It's friction shifting." 
>> "What a cool bike! It's an old one!" he exclaimed, riding abreast of me. 
>> "Actually, I got it in 2012. It's a Rivendell - they take all the best 
>> things from the past and all the best things from the present, put them 
>> together and create this awesome bike. It's lugged steel and perfect and I 
>> will be riding it still in 40 years." 
>>
>> He talked bout the touring he does and how he misses biking in CA (me, 
>> too) and how he has big plans for an upcoming trip with 38,000 feet of 
>> climbing. Then we stopped so he could wait for his buddy and really look 
>> over TBBITW. He loved the grips ("Are they wooden?!"), he loved the bars 
>> ("Wow, I really like the shape of those!"), he admired the racks ("I love 
>> how you have these racks and panniers!"). He asked me all about Rivendell, 
>> and I did my best to tell him. He had never heard of it, so I tried to jog 
>> his memory (Do you read the Bike Snob? Heard of Bridgestone? No?). I fear 
>> we're in different biking worlds, I said. I finally hit pay-dirt when I 
>> asked if he's ever heard the term "retrogrouch." Yeah, in fact he had. 
>> "Well that was coined to describe Grant Petersen." I hope I told him right; 
>> that was my understanding, at least. He continued to notice little details 
>> on my bike and I continued to purr like a cat on the inside, because how 
>> often does ANYONE appreciate my retro-beach-cruiser-no gears-bike? Finally, 
>> someone who was beginning to see it for what it is. A legit bike that is 
>> beautiful and functional and can beat you up Killer Hill. 
>>
>> His buddy finally arrived and was so worn out he wouldn't even get off 
>> his bike; he rode it in slow circles as he gasped for breath. He gave me 
>> the side eye as I stood there in my silly outfit with my silly bike, having 
>> beat him by a mile. Oh, I hope he has a sense of humor! 
>>
>> "Come and look at this girl's bike!" said his friend. 
>> "Let's go get Starbucks, " he said, "I'm burning up." 
>>
>> You can't win 'em all, folks! But maybe rivbike.com will get a new 
>> visitor, and possibly a new bike order. 
>>
>> Yours, Leah 
>>
>> PS. Two photos for visuals to this zany tale. 1. No one can ignore a bike 
>> this gorgeous! Robin's egg blue with red heart lugs, and all the bags you 
>> could want, for crying out loud! 2. And this hat, which is 30% off right 
>> now and would look splendid with your fancy Rivs. #thatsdarling
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 60cm Cheviot Owner Questions: Which Hitch-mounted Bike Racks Work & Largest Tire Width With Fenders

[tc]

I see that Riv only sells Paul Racers in pairs, for $310.

On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 at 9:06:30 AM UTC-4, Howard Hatten wrote:
>
> ... After buying a replacement I went to a Paul racer brake on the front 
> and that gave me the clearance I needed. 
> In the closed position I could have made the tectro work it was the 
> released position that gave me problems. Trying to gain clearance in the 
> open position led to the fender screw up. I had no problems with the tectro 
> on the rear
>
> Howard
> Livonia Mi
>
>

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[RBW] Re: The One in Which LeahFoy Races the Carbon Riders Up Killer Hill

[Philip Kim]

haha this put a bit of a laugh in my day.


On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 at 1:22:34 PM UTC-4, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> *The following contains anecdotes about pretty bikes and cute clothes and 
> girly hashtags. Not suitable for all audiences. Those without sense of 
> humor ought not proceed.* 
>
> I was feeling pretty good on this breezy and sunny morning as I biked up 
> Killer Hill on TBBITW. The boys were safely deposited at school, their 
> bikes in the racks and backpacks on their backs. I was unladen and free and 
> feeling the contentment one can only feel after one has been shopping the 
> day before and bought cute new clothes. I had on a simple tee (new), shorts 
> (also new) and my (new) favorite thing (heaven help me, my husband really 
> should make me get a job!), a white, wide-brimmed hat in a style I have 
> coined "outdoor chic." On my lovely bike, sailing along I felt like 
> #thatsdarling and not even Killer Hill could dampen the mood! Towards the 
> worst of the hill I happened to catch something in my peripheral vision. 
> Two riders, donning full lycra on fat-tubed carbon bikes with helmets and 
> helmet mirrors and clippy shoes, were on the other side of the road amidst 
> traffic trying to conquer the hill. I found the whole thing hilarious, as I 
> imagined I looked like some sort of caricature of a "real" rider to them. I 
> don't know what came over me. The Bike Snob has made fun of people who do 
> exactly this, but I lost all control of myself and I did it: I shifted into 
> the granny gear and let my legs fly as I raced those guys up Killer Hill. 
>
> The older guy beat me, fair and square, but barely. The other guy pushed 
> his bike up the hill. He circled the roundabout, passed by and said 
> something about "good job on that hill." I told him I do it twice a day, 
> laughed a bit and carried on. Moments later, I was aware of someone behind 
> me on the path. There he was again! And he wanted a word with me. 
>
> "How many gears does that bike have?" he asked, pulling even with me. 
> "I don't know. It's friction shifting." 
> "What a cool bike! It's an old one!" he exclaimed, riding abreast of me. 
> "Actually, I got it in 2012. It's a Rivendell - they take all the best 
> things from the past and all the best things from the present, put them 
> together and create this awesome bike. It's lugged steel and perfect and I 
> will be riding it still in 40 years." 
>
> He talked bout the touring he does and how he misses biking in CA (me, 
> too) and how he has big plans for an upcoming trip with 38,000 feet of 
> climbing. Then we stopped so he could wait for his buddy and really look 
> over TBBITW. He loved the grips ("Are they wooden?!"), he loved the bars 
> ("Wow, I really like the shape of those!"), he admired the racks ("I love 
> how you have these racks and panniers!"). He asked me all about Rivendell, 
> and I did my best to tell him. He had never heard of it, so I tried to jog 
> his memory (Do you read the Bike Snob? Heard of Bridgestone? No?). I fear 
> we're in different biking worlds, I said. I finally hit pay-dirt when I 
> asked if he's ever heard the term "retrogrouch." Yeah, in fact he had. 
> "Well that was coined to describe Grant Petersen." I hope I told him right; 
> that was my understanding, at least. He continued to notice little details 
> on my bike and I continued to purr like a cat on the inside, because how 
> often does ANYONE appreciate my retro-beach-cruiser-no gears-bike? Finally, 
> someone who was beginning to see it for what it is. A legit bike that is 
> beautiful and functional and can beat you up Killer Hill. 
>
> His buddy finally arrived and was so worn out he wouldn't even get off his 
> bike; he rode it in slow circles as he gasped for breath. He gave me the 
> side eye as I stood there in my silly outfit with my silly bike, having 
> beat him by a mile. Oh, I hope he has a sense of humor! 
>
> "Come and look at this girl's bike!" said his friend. 
> "Let's go get Starbucks, " he said, "I'm burning up." 
>
> You can't win 'em all, folks! But maybe rivbike.com will get a new 
> visitor, and possibly a new bike order. 
>
> Yours, Leah 
>
> PS. Two photos for visuals to this zany tale. 1. No one can ignore a bike 
> this gorgeous! Robin's egg blue with red heart lugs, and all the bags you 
> could want, for crying out loud! 2. And this hat, which is 30% off right 
> now and would look splendid with your fancy Rivs. #thatsdarling

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[RBW] Re: The One in Which LeahFoy Races the Carbon Riders Up Killer Hill

[Bill Lindsay]

The Best Bike In The World remains undefeated, and undefeatable.  FACT!

I vigorously approve of the wide brimmed hat, although at your speed, you 
might find you need a chin strap to keep it on.  Whoosh!  

BL in EC


On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 at 10:22:34 AM UTC-7, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> *The following contains anecdotes about pretty bikes and cute clothes and 
> girly hashtags. Not suitable for all audiences. Those without sense of 
> humor ought not proceed.* 
>
> I was feeling pretty good on this breezy and sunny morning as I biked up 
> Killer Hill on TBBITW. The boys were safely deposited at school, their 
> bikes in the racks and backpacks on their backs. I was unladen and free and 
> feeling the contentment one can only feel after one has been shopping the 
> day before and bought cute new clothes. I had on a simple tee (new), shorts 
> (also new) and my (new) favorite thing (heaven help me, my husband really 
> should make me get a job!), a white, wide-brimmed hat in a style I have 
> coined "outdoor chic." On my lovely bike, sailing along I felt like 
> #thatsdarling and not even Killer Hill could dampen the mood! Towards the 
> worst of the hill I happened to catch something in my peripheral vision. 
> Two riders, donning full lycra on fat-tubed carbon bikes with helmets and 
> helmet mirrors and clippy shoes, were on the other side of the road amidst 
> traffic trying to conquer the hill. I found the whole thing hilarious, as I 
> imagined I looked like some sort of caricature of a "real" rider to them. I 
> don't know what came over me. The Bike Snob has made fun of people who do 
> exactly this, but I lost all control of myself and I did it: I shifted into 
> the granny gear and let my legs fly as I raced those guys up Killer Hill. 
>
> The older guy beat me, fair and square, but barely. The other guy pushed 
> his bike up the hill. He circled the roundabout, passed by and said 
> something about "good job on that hill." I told him I do it twice a day, 
> laughed a bit and carried on. Moments later, I was aware of someone behind 
> me on the path. There he was again! And he wanted a word with me. 
>
> "How many gears does that bike have?" he asked, pulling even with me. 
> "I don't know. It's friction shifting." 
> "What a cool bike! It's an old one!" he exclaimed, riding abreast of me. 
> "Actually, I got it in 2012. It's a Rivendell - they take all the best 
> things from the past and all the best things from the present, put them 
> together and create this awesome bike. It's lugged steel and perfect and I 
> will be riding it still in 40 years." 
>
> He talked bout the touring he does and how he misses biking in CA (me, 
> too) and how he has big plans for an upcoming trip with 38,000 feet of 
> climbing. Then we stopped so he could wait for his buddy and really look 
> over TBBITW. He loved the grips ("Are they wooden?!"), he loved the bars 
> ("Wow, I really like the shape of those!"), he admired the racks ("I love 
> how you have these racks and panniers!"). He asked me all about Rivendell, 
> and I did my best to tell him. He had never heard of it, so I tried to jog 
> his memory (Do you read the Bike Snob? Heard of Bridgestone? No?). I fear 
> we're in different biking worlds, I said. I finally hit pay-dirt when I 
> asked if he's ever heard the term "retrogrouch." Yeah, in fact he had. 
> "Well that was coined to describe Grant Petersen." I hope I told him right; 
> that was my understanding, at least. He continued to notice little details 
> on my bike and I continued to purr like a cat on the inside, because how 
> often does ANYONE appreciate my retro-beach-cruiser-no gears-bike? Finally, 
> someone who was beginning to see it for what it is. A legit bike that is 
> beautiful and functional and can beat you up Killer Hill. 
>
> His buddy finally arrived and was so worn out he wouldn't even get off his 
> bike; he rode it in slow circles as he gasped for breath. He gave me the 
> side eye as I stood there in my silly outfit with my silly bike, having 
> beat him by a mile. Oh, I hope he has a sense of humor! 
>
> "Come and look at this girl's bike!" said his friend. 
> "Let's go get Starbucks, " he said, "I'm burning up." 
>
> You can't win 'em all, folks! But maybe rivbike.com will get a new 
> visitor, and possibly a new bike order. 
>
> Yours, Leah 
>
> PS. Two photos for visuals to this zany tale. 1. No one can ignore a bike 
> this gorgeous! Robin's egg blue with red heart lugs, and all the bags you 
> could want, for crying out loud! 2. And this hat, which is 30% off right 
> now and would look splendid with your fancy Rivs. #thatsdarling

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[RBW] Re: The One in Which LeahFoy Races the Carbon Riders Up Killer Hill

[Shoji Takahashi]

Can't help buy smile and laugh. Thanks for this, Leah.

And what a retort: "I don't know. It's friction shifting."

Tailwinds, shoji



On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 at 1:22:34 PM UTC-4, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> *The following contains anecdotes about pretty bikes and cute clothes and 
> girly hashtags. Not suitable for all audiences. Those without sense of 
> humor ought not proceed.* 
>
> I was feeling pretty good on this breezy and sunny morning as I biked up 
> Killer Hill on TBBITW. The boys were safely deposited at school, their 
> bikes in the racks and backpacks on their backs. I was unladen and free and 
> feeling the contentment one can only feel after one has been shopping the 
> day before and bought cute new clothes. I had on a simple tee (new), shorts 
> (also new) and my (new) favorite thing (heaven help me, my husband really 
> should make me get a job!), a white, wide-brimmed hat in a style I have 
> coined "outdoor chic." On my lovely bike, sailing along I felt like 
> #thatsdarling and not even Killer Hill could dampen the mood! Towards the 
> worst of the hill I happened to catch something in my peripheral vision. 
> Two riders, donning full lycra on fat-tubed carbon bikes with helmets and 
> helmet mirrors and clippy shoes, were on the other side of the road amidst 
> traffic trying to conquer the hill. I found the whole thing hilarious, as I 
> imagined I looked like some sort of caricature of a "real" rider to them. I 
> don't know what came over me. The Bike Snob has made fun of people who do 
> exactly this, but I lost all control of myself and I did it: I shifted into 
> the granny gear and let my legs fly as I raced those guys up Killer Hill. 
>
> The older guy beat me, fair and square, but barely. The other guy pushed 
> his bike up the hill. He circled the roundabout, passed by and said 
> something about "good job on that hill." I told him I do it twice a day, 
> laughed a bit and carried on. Moments later, I was aware of someone behind 
> me on the path. There he was again! And he wanted a word with me. 
>
> "How many gears does that bike have?" he asked, pulling even with me. 
> "I don't know. It's friction shifting." 
> "What a cool bike! It's an old one!" he exclaimed, riding abreast of me. 
> "Actually, I got it in 2012. It's a Rivendell - they take all the best 
> things from the past and all the best things from the present, put them 
> together and create this awesome bike. It's lugged steel and perfect and I 
> will be riding it still in 40 years." 
>
> He talked bout the touring he does and how he misses biking in CA (me, 
> too) and how he has big plans for an upcoming trip with 38,000 feet of 
> climbing. Then we stopped so he could wait for his buddy and really look 
> over TBBITW. He loved the grips ("Are they wooden?!"), he loved the bars 
> ("Wow, I really like the shape of those!"), he admired the racks ("I love 
> how you have these racks and panniers!"). He asked me all about Rivendell, 
> and I did my best to tell him. He had never heard of it, so I tried to jog 
> his memory (Do you read the Bike Snob? Heard of Bridgestone? No?). I fear 
> we're in different biking worlds, I said. I finally hit pay-dirt when I 
> asked if he's ever heard the term "retrogrouch." Yeah, in fact he had. 
> "Well that was coined to describe Grant Petersen." I hope I told him right; 
> that was my understanding, at least. He continued to notice little details 
> on my bike and I continued to purr like a cat on the inside, because how 
> often does ANYONE appreciate my retro-beach-cruiser-no gears-bike? Finally, 
> someone who was beginning to see it for what it is. A legit bike that is 
> beautiful and functional and can beat you up Killer Hill. 
>
> His buddy finally arrived and was so worn out he wouldn't even get off his 
> bike; he rode it in slow circles as he gasped for breath. He gave me the 
> side eye as I stood there in my silly outfit with my silly bike, having 
> beat him by a mile. Oh, I hope he has a sense of humor! 
>
> "Come and look at this girl's bike!" said his friend. 
> "Let's go get Starbucks, " he said, "I'm burning up." 
>
> You can't win 'em all, folks! But maybe rivbike.com will get a new 
> visitor, and possibly a new bike order. 
>
> Yours, Leah 
>
> PS. Two photos for visuals to this zany tale. 1. No one can ignore a bike 
> this gorgeous! Robin's egg blue with red heart lugs, and all the bags you 
> could want, for crying out loud! 2. And this hat, which is 30% off right 
> now and would look splendid with your fancy Rivs. #thatsdarling

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[RBW] Re: Camp Coffee/Coffee outside in Austin, Tx

[Stephen Brown]

I'll be there Friday, barring overindulgence at the driveway races thursday 
night...

On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 9:35:26 AM UTC-5, Will Ashe wrote:
>
> Having recently relocated to Austin, I'm wondering if any Austinite 
> listers know of a camp coffee meetup. I became so accustomed to 
> #ballonacreekcampcoffee on Wednesday mornings and I'm missing the face to 
> face social interaction. 
>
> I'm currently in North Austin, and am considering starting one, maybe in 
> Walnut Creek if there's nothing already nearby.
>
> Will Ashe
>

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[RBW] Re: Camp Coffee/Coffee outside in Austin, Tx

[Will Ashe]

Whoa, I'm definitely down with that! I plan on going to check it out, I 
hope the folks who have shown interest here will come out as well.

On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 at 9:58:36 AM UTC-5, Stuart Lovinggood wrote:
>
> Looks like Cycleast is kicking things off this Friday morning at the Lamar 
> Pedestrian Bridge: https://instagram.com/p/BUehrqVDGwW/

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[RBW] Re: FS: Choco-Norm Bar, Tallux Stem, Paul Thumbies, Shimano Bar Ends, Sugino Triple

[Johnny Alien]

Choco-Norm is sold.  Stem, shifters and crankset are all still available

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Re: [Ext] Re: [RBW] Re: Save Bruce Gordon Cycles

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Bruce has been uniformly helpful, even friendly, to me during at least half a 
dozen calls over the years.  Judge not, and all that...

Sent from my iPhone

On May 24, 2017, at 11:50 AM, Chris Birkenmaier 
> wrote:

Been offline for a little lately with a graduation to attend, and other life 
events.  I'm glad to see some reasoned remarks posted on this plan to either 
fund BG's retirement or he will scap all his bikes.  That struck me as almost a 
gag post but I see that it is not.  Perhaps he should have started an IRA years 
ago like many folks must do?  What a waste of resources to just destroy a bunch 
of bikes but hey, they are his to do so, I guess.  Pretty confident I will not 
be funding his retirement though.

On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 at 11:32:15 AM UTC-4, Lee Legrand wrote:
FWIW, BG sounds like any number of people I've worked with over the years - to 
be honest, as I've grown older myself, I feel that I've become less patient 
with these sorts of folks. But at a basic humanitarian level, I can see how BG 
deserves could use some help.

Hi Steve Chan,

I cannot comment about Bruce Gorden personally since I never spoken to him but 
the comments of his attitude or behavior seems consistent to what I have read 
over the internet over the years.

I use to think that as I got older, I became less tolerant of people when they 
did things that I disapprove of or did things which I thought were unnecessary 
and cruel.  I understand your frustration but I am actually going the opposite 
way to where I started of being more tolerant.  For a person who has left jobs 
because I felt excessively exploited and mistreated, my opinion, although you 
did not ask, is that you cant take it personally when have bad behaviors.  It 
is allowing people pull your strings and you are giving them license to do so.  
People with bad attitudes hurt themselves in the end and it is no reflection on 
you as a person.

That was a hard lesson I had to learn because it had to be done repeatedly 
until I got it.  Its not you so do not take it personally and do not allow 
anyone to take away your peace.

On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 11:02 AM, R Gonet  
wrote:

Gordon's attitude is a big turnoff for me.  If he wants to scrap his bikes and 
cut off his nose to spite his face, I say let him do it.  And ask him to post 
some photos for us to see it happen.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Save Bruce Gordon Cycles

[Orc]

On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 at 8:50:20 AM UTC-7, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>
>  Perhaps he should have started an IRA years ago like many folks must do?
>

There was an article about BG a few years back in Adventure Cycling(I 
think?  A pdf was posted somewhere -- not here -- in the middle of a "beat 
up on Bruce Gordon" fest) where he estimated that his average yearly income 
over the 40 years or so he'd been framebuilding was about $25k/year.   
Thats, uh, not the sort of income that gives you a bountiful retirement 
egg. 

In the worst case he'll have social security (so we'll all be funding his 
retirement, thank goodness) and a tiny revenue stream from selling RnR 
tires, but that's edging close to catfood territory.

-david parsons

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Re: [RBW] Re: Save Bruce Gordon Cycles

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Been offline for a little lately with a graduation to attend, and other 
life events.  I'm glad to see some reasoned remarks posted on this plan to 
either fund BG's retirement or he will scap all his bikes.  That struck me 
as almost a gag post but I see that it is not.  Perhaps he should have 
started an IRA years ago like many folks must do?  What a waste of 
resources to just destroy a bunch of bikes but hey, they are his to do so, 
I guess.  Pretty confident I will not be funding his retirement though.

On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 at 11:32:15 AM UTC-4, Lee Legrand wrote:
>
> FWIW, BG sounds like any number of people I've worked with over the years 
> - to be honest, as I've grown older myself, I feel that I've become less 
> patient with these sorts of folks. But at a basic humanitarian level, I can 
> see how BG deserves could use some help.
>
> Hi Steve Chan,
>
> I cannot comment about Bruce Gorden personally since I never spoken to him 
> but the comments of his attitude or behavior seems consistent to what I 
> have read over the internet over the years.
>
> I use to think that as I got older, I became less tolerant of people when 
> they did things that I disapprove of or did things which I thought were 
> unnecessary and cruel.  I understand your frustration but I am actually 
> going the opposite way to where I started of being more tolerant.  For a 
> person who has left jobs because I felt excessively exploited and 
> mistreated, my opinion, although you did not ask, is that you cant take it 
> personally when have bad behaviors.  It is allowing people pull your 
> strings and you are giving them license to do so.  People with bad 
> attitudes hurt themselves in the end and it is no reflection on you as a 
> person.
>
> That was a hard lesson I had to learn because it had to be done repeatedly 
> until I got it.  Its not you so do not take it personally and do not allow 
> anyone to take away your peace.
>
> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 11:02 AM, R Gonet  > wrote:
>
>>
>> Gordon's attitude is a big turnoff for me.  If he wants to scrap his 
>> bikes and cut off his nose to spite his face, I say let him do it.  And ask 
>> him to post some photos for us to see it happen.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Save Bruce Gordon Cycles

[Lee Legrand]

FWIW, BG sounds like any number of people I've worked with over the years -
to be honest, as I've grown older myself, I feel that I've become less
patient with these sorts of folks. But at a basic humanitarian level, I can
see how BG deserves could use some help.

Hi Steve Chan,

I cannot comment about Bruce Gorden personally since I never spoken to him
but the comments of his attitude or behavior seems consistent to what I
have read over the internet over the years.

I use to think that as I got older, I became less tolerant of people when
they did things that I disapprove of or did things which I thought were
unnecessary and cruel.  I understand your frustration but I am actually
going the opposite way to where I started of being more tolerant.  For a
person who has left jobs because I felt excessively exploited and
mistreated, my opinion, although you did not ask, is that you cant take it
personally when have bad behaviors.  It is allowing people pull your
strings and you are giving them license to do so.  People with bad
attitudes hurt themselves in the end and it is no reflection on you as a
person.

That was a hard lesson I had to learn because it had to be done repeatedly
until I got it.  Its not you so do not take it personally and do not allow
anyone to take away your peace.

On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 11:02 AM, R Gonet  wrote:

>
> Gordon's attitude is a big turnoff for me.  If he wants to scrap his bikes
> and cut off his nose to spite his face, I say let him do it.  And ask him
> to post some photos for us to see it happen.
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[RBW] FEELER! 58cm appaloosa frame and fork

[Singlespeed Johnny]

hey everyone. i've got a used but not abused butterscotch appaloosa frame in 
size 58 up for grabs. looking for $1,000 for frame / fork / headset / thomson 
post 
this is a feeler...looking to see if i get any interest90% sure i wanna 
sell...
pics are on my instgram
@meaty_urologist

thanks!
johnny 

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[RBW] Re: Hubbuh Racks

[Ryan Thompson]

Daniel,

I have my HHH and started the assembly process last weekend but wasn't able 
to finish; it is a big job ;-).  I do plan on installing Mark's rack on the 
front and a Blackburn EX-1 rack on the rear for our daughters Topeak bike 
seat.  The only thing I noticed was I needed to pick up some M6 bolts for 
the rear eyelets, but the rack seems like it will fit with some persuasion. 
 I have a spare Nitto big back rack but haven't tried to mock it up.

Ryan
Arlington, VA

On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 at 9:12:20 PM UTC-4, Daniel Jackson wrote:
>
> Those who have received your Hubbuhs:
>
> I vaguely recall Grant mentioning that rack adapters were being made for 
> the Hubbuh that allow the Nitto racks Riv sells to be used on the frames. 
> Any word on this? I'm hoping to setup a big back rack on the Hubbuh...
>
> Thanks,
> Daniel in VT, patiently awaiting his Hubbuh.  
>

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[RBW] Re: Save Bruce Gordon Cycles

[R Gonet]

Gordon's attitude is a big turnoff for me.  If he wants to scrap his bikes 
and cut off his nose to spite his face, I say let him do it.  And ask him 
to post some photos for us to see it happen.

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[RBW] Re: Camp Coffee/Coffee outside in Austin, Tx

[Stuart Lovinggood]

Looks like Cycleast is kicking things off this Friday morning at the Lamar 
Pedestrian Bridge: https://instagram.com/p/BUehrqVDGwW/

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[RBW] Rivendell Silver Crankarm torque value?

[Ryan Thompson]

The only reason I ask is I've recently had to replace a NDS crankarm from a 
Sugino XD2 on my Cheviot due to it constantly loosening and me constantly 
tightening it.  On the new crankarm, I lightly greased the spindle and 
tighten the crankarm to 35 n/m, which seemed really snug.

On to the Silver cranks on my HHH, I really want to get the installation 
right so I don't end up screwing up another crankarm.  

Does anyone have the mfg suggested torque value or should I just call Mark 
at Riv?

Thanks,
Ryan
Arlington, VA

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[RBW] Re: For Sale Feelers: 2001 Riv Road, Joe/Joe, 52 cm

[Mark R.]

Bill

A couple of tire kickers, a few lowball offers, I will keep it for now.   
Thanks for asking!

Mark

> SDCA
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[RBW] Re: Even a riv (design) can wobble

[Spencer Hawkes]

A (maybe) helpful article.

https://www.rivbike.com/pages/shimmy-shimmy-coco-bop-shimmy-shimmy-bop

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[RBW] 60cm Cheviot Owner Questions: Which Hitch-mounted Bike Racks Work & Largest Tire Width With Fenders

[Howard Hatten]

John
I mounted my front fender using a  daruma bolt trying to gain as much clearance 
as possible. The outside arm of the tectro brake interfered with the ridge 
profile of the fender. I attempted to peen some clearance but to get enough I 
messed up the profile of the fender. After buying a replacement I went to a 
Paul racer brake on the front and that gave me the clearance I needed. 
In the closed position I could have made the tectro work it was the released 
position that gave me problems. Trying to gain clearance in the open position 
led to the fender screw up. I had no problems with the tectro on the rear. 
I'm comfortable with the tire clearance I have but I ride roads all the time. 
If I were doing a lot of trail I would set up differently. 

Disclosure: < 12 fender installs. 

Howard
Livonia Mi

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