Re: [RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

It's not a constitutional republic either but that's neither here nor there. I've never seen a thread locked, nuked, or removed from this group. Maybe there has been before but that's a testament to the members. But as soon as discussion of uncomfortable truths is termed "squabbling" said

Re: [RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

Perhaps Jim can speak for himself. On 2/11/19 11:34 AM, Joe Bernard wrote: Ok I'll answer it another way: The reasons are clearly evident in the closed thread which anyone can still read. It was a rather contentious topic which was presented as a link to another site that was almost entirely

[RBW] WTB: riv sugnio xd2, triple or double

looking for a sugino xd2 46x36x24 or 40x26 wide low looking for 170 length but i'm open to 175. thanks!!! Jamin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an

Re: [RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

"Perhaps Jim can speak for himself." Perhaps you shouldn't respond to me as if you're disputing my answer if you don't want to discuss my answer. I thought I was being asked a question. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To

Re: [RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8ukak8P2vY --Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram) > On Feb 11, 2019, at 8:34 AM, Joe Bernard wrote: > > So the longer answer is this isn't a democracy, the website is free, and Jim >

Re: [RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

Anyway, I responded to this because the first comment in the new version of this thread quotes me from the locked one. I'm not the moderator and I can't make you guys knock it off, so go crazy. I'm going riding. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW

Re: [RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

Eric, have you read the whole thread? I think it was extensively and honestly discussed to death. If you really want to dive into it the original link just got revived at Paceline, which should be hilarious fun. Yes, threads have been locked here before. -- You received this message because

[RBW] Re: Swaping one Riv for another

So here I am with a 58 MUSA Atlantis thinking it's a little small and I wonder if the new one with more rake and wheelbase would work better. Also with size 12 feet I've always had toe overlap with some bikes including my Atlantis. My 90-91 PBH puts me on a new 56 or 59, both have slightly

Re: [RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

Just buy something vs sharing you thoughts on how to run a business. Action is greater than talk. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: FS: ILE Bag / Berthoud Decaleur / Light Mounting Parts / Nitto & VO Stems / IRD Cassette / Paul Cable Hanger

Funky Monkey Sold -- New prices on remaining items Velo Orange Quill Stem with Removable Faceplate 80mm, 31.8 clamp, black - $ > *35* (includes USPS ground or first class shipping) > Includes original VO felt bag, very good condition > > Interloc Racing Design (IRD) Elite

[RBW] Re: Swaping one Riv for another

There’s Nothing sad about buying the 2nd to last one! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post

[RBW] Re: FS: Brooks Saddles

Bump On Monday, January 28, 2019 at 2:34:31 PM UTC-5, lconley wrote: > > Prices dropped to $65 and 75$ shipped CONUS. Includes Brooks adjusting > wrenches. > > On Thursday, January 24, 2019 at 10:25:44 AM UTC-5, lconley wrote: >> >> Standard Black B-17, new bike take-off, maybe 10 miles: $70

[RBW] Re: Swaping one Riv for another

I think Riv probably will tweak their sizing recommendations. In my opinion if you really are a 90PBH then you are a 59, no question. Compare that Front Center of 65.5cm on the 59 MIT Atlantis to the 61cm Front Center of a 58cm MUSA Atlantis. That's almost 2 full inches of toe-overlap

[RBW] Re: Swaping one Riv for another

John, What you are describing are some of the joys of owning a Rivendell. I too have a Sam which I love. It was my first Riv and I used it for everything. It never let me down and did all those tasks well. I was in a similar situation where I wanted a dedicated touring bike that I would take

Re: [RBW] Brooks B17 Champion Standard

How about $70 shipped for a basically brand-new B17? --Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram) > On Jan 21, 2019, at 7:59 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch > wrote: > > Found this with my bike part collection when I was looking for something > else. It looks

Re: [RBW] Brooks B17 Champion Standard

SOLD, pending payment! --Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram) > On Feb 11, 2019, at 3:16 PM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch > wrote: > > How about $70 shipped for a basically brand-new B17? > > > > --Eric Norris > campyonly...@me.com

Re: [RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

Vote with your wallet. dougP On Monday, February 11, 2019 at 11:24:30 AM UTC-8, Brian Campbell wrote: > > Just buy something vs sharing you thoughts on how to run a business. > Action is greater than talk. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW

[RBW] Re: Comments on 1x12'd MIT Atlanti Or Other Riv's?

Thanks Bill. It looks like the GX Eagle 12-spd groupset (which seems to be far better liked than NX) is now as 'inexpensive' as the NX stuff was last year. I would certainly expect the cross-chain effects as you point out; but surprisingly, complaints are hard to find..I *have *seen reviews

[RBW] Kickstand tire rub

It’s not/it won’t. It sits about where the regular pletscher one sits. I had the same thought and bought one on a whim. It’s a good and more solid kickstand, but it won’t give you more clearance. It’s a shame, because the chainstays have clearance for days. -- You received this message

[RBW] Want to test ride: 52cm Clem L in NYC Area

The Riv dealer 718 Cyclery is in Brooklyn. You can test ride all the Rivs! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Kickstand tire rub

I’ve wanted to use a kickstand for a while on my hunq; I currently run 55mm big bens and 2.10 smart sams. After I mounted the standard Plescher model, I immediately had to remove it because of tire rub. Bummer. Does anyone know if the bulkier kickstand Riv recently started offering is designed

[RBW] Kickstand tire rub

I’m not certain about the newer bulkier pletscher “touring” model they now stock, but the no name kickstand they stocked on my, and likely most other Clem completes definitely clears a bigger tire than a pletscher I have. It’s silver with a black adjustable foot. Might be worth calling Riv to

[RBW] Re: Comments on 1x12'd MIT Atlanti Or Other Riv's?

Bikepacking.com did a good write-up/review of the GX vs. X01 groupset and I think the recommendations they provide in terms of mix-n-match would be worth thinking about... http://www.bikepacking.com/gear/sram-eagle-review/ On Monday, February 11, 2019 at 7:25:03 PM UTC-8, tc wrote: > > Thanks

[RBW] Re: Want to test ride: 52cm Clem L in NYC Area

Thanks, yes I frequent the shop but they don't have any riv stepthroughs On Monday, February 11, 2019 at 10:47:21 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote: > > The Riv dealer 718 Cyclery is in Brooklyn. You can test ride all the Rivs! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to

[RBW] Re: Kickstand tire rub

The one that came standard on the Clem clears my 2.4 inch tires. Not sure what the brand is, but if you give Riv a call they may know where to get one. On Monday, February 11, 2019 at 7:28:54 PM UTC-8, Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote: > > I’m not certain about the newer bulkier pletscher “touring”

[RBW] Re: MIT AHH reviews?

Drew, Thank you for the detailed review! On Tuesday, 5 February 2019 15:13:26 UTC-8, Drew Henson wrote: > > I've had one for a few months and I absolutely love it. Luckily the winter > in Seattle has been very cooperative up until this week. A local shop, Back > Alley Bike Repair, built it up

[RBW] WTB 56cm Bombadil

Hi Jamison, I’m just following up to see if you had a chance to decide if you preferred the 62 vs 60 cm Quickbeam that is obviously too small for you. :) I thought I saw a post that you hoped to test ride them soon, but now I cannot find the post. Maybe I am imagining it though... Best

[RBW] Re: Swaping one Riv for another

Thanks for all the replies. I'm thinking hard about this. I have an 89 PBH, 78.5 cm saddle height, and ride a 58 Sam. It's perfect. I have come to the conclusion that, with long legs and short torso, I prefer a short stem (I use a 7cm on the Sam) and top tube no greater than 59cm. The height

[RBW] MIT AHH reviews?

I ordered one tonight. I hope to give a review in early spring. I’m still hoping for a Quickbeam, if anyone has one. Cheers, Matthew -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails

[RBW] WTB 56cm Bombadil

Dang phone. That was supposed to be private. Matt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post

[RBW] Want to test ride: 52cm Clem L in NYC Area

Anyone in NYC have a 52 Clem L I could test ride? I’ve been mulling over buying one for a long time; wanna make one my primary commuter. I test rode a lister’s 59 some years ago but felt it was too large for me. If you’ve got one and you’re willing, please respond to me privately. Thanks! Bob

[RBW] Cost to have a previously offered model made

Joe asked: "Does Waterford offer standard models, like they're built-to-order but not a custom? " Yes, those would be the Gunnar line.Stock frames start at $1,100 and made to measure at $1,450. Plus $300 for a fork. Welded, not lugged. A Waterford frame starts at $2,300 + fork. The most

[RBW] Re: Swaping one Riv for another

I would absolutely vote for the 56cm/650b Atlantis, especially if you are planning on using drop bars. I do not have nor have I ridden a new Atlantis, but we are right at the same size and that's the frame I would choose. It might be different if you knew you were going to run upright/swept

Re: [RBW] daily post ur riv

Rambouillet: https://drive.google.com/file/d/19TrbqrlTfcHNB9_tF1YU0UsdMqx-VaGM/view?usp=sharing -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] daily post ur riv

Evan, Thanks for posting. That is a beautiful bike. I used to have a 60cm Ram and rode a lot of long rides on it. Rams are the best. On Monday, February 11, 2019 at 8:32:21 PM UTC-8, Evan E. wrote: > > Rambouillet: > > >

[RBW] Re: Kickstand tire rub

I wonder how much this has to do with placement of the Kickstand plate. It seems like if it was rotated slightly, it would be in line with the chainstay, but maybe that would make the kickstand less stable? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW

[RBW] Sugino 40x26 wide low double?

Joe's observation of crisp front shifting is bang on. I have found another benefit of a compact double (converted triple) is being able to run a short cage rear derailleur, which feels better to me than a long cage in this application. My 130bcd Sugino GP now sports an outer chainguard and

[RBW] Re: Sugino 40x26 wide low double?

I'll add that the chainguard is useful when one rides with normal long pants, as part of the unracer philosophy, because it eliminates grease stains without having to fold the right pant leg. For a commuter bike, this is an almost necessity. On Monday, February 11, 2019 at 8:47:23 AM UTC+8,

Re: [RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

The thread is already killed dead, the moderator locked it. This new one needs to end here. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Wide range 3-speed QB refurbished

You are right; with such wide range, there are certainly advantages to 3 rings over 3 cogs, given the designs of the frame and the hub, and given the smaller range of most available 3 speed freewheels (16-22 seems to be typical). FWIW, I've recently set up my 2 Riv Roads with triple gearing

Re: [RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

I got the impression that "AV's" opening email was positive and motivated by interest in and concern for Rivendell. Unfortunately, such threads usually decline into squabbling. For my part, I read G's post with concern; I'd like to see Riv survive. I don't have ideas about how to make it

[RBW] Re: Sugino 40x26 wide low double?

I've been running 42/25T x9 for years and love it. Using a custom cassette, *here's my gear chart * Should be able to easily

[RBW] Re: Swaping one Riv for another

I did the same this past year. I have a late 2011 DTT 60 Sam that I used for everything. It is great, but struggles with heavy touring loads. I ordered a MUSA 62 Atlantis for the heavier stuff and have shifted the Sam to casual, more spritely riding. There is plenty of overlap, but the Sam

Re: [RBW] Re: Swaping one Riv for another

John, I share your (dilemma?) Nice problem to have! I have both models (MUSA Atlantis). I am constantly tweaking one or the other. They are both so versatile that they invite continual experimentation; a hallmark of most Rivendells. Change handlebars, tire widths, bags, racks, heavier or

Re: [RBW] Re: Mark's Rack on skinny tired bike

I've been using an M-18 with the 42 cm struts (cut to length) for 10 years now. The struts cross the outside of your fork, and the rack/fender bosses on your dropouts are recessed inward. Spacers are needed between the dropout boss and the bottom end of the strut to stand the struts off the

Re: [RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

Why does it need to end? Seriously, why? The group's banner states "Dedicated to the discussion of Rivendell Bicycles and products." Maybe I'm missing something or do threads get nuked when there's serious discussion that's termed as "squabbling". On Monday, February 11, 2019 at 9:13:31 AM

Re: [RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

Because this isn't a democracy. The list is run by one dude and he can nuke whatever he wants. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: FS: Grilver Clem H Size 52 Brand New

Where is the bike? Thanks On Saturday, December 1, 2018 at 8:23:06 AM UTC-5, RDS wrote: > > I have a brand new, in box never opened, Clem H in size 52 in the Grilver > color. Purchased earlier this year. I haven't even opened the box. I paid > the full $1,650 price that's on the web site.

Re: [RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

Yes, but that wasn't the question.  The OP was asking for the r/easoning behind the decision/, and I'm certain (speaking as a moderator and list-owner of another list with a lot of overlap in membership with this one) that the decision to do so was neither arbitrary nor capricious. I know that

Re: [RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

Ok I'll answer it another way: The reasons are clearly evident in the closed thread which anyone can still read. It was a rather contentious topic which was presented as a link to another site that was almost entirely hostile to Rivendell. We bounced it around extensively, then it appeared to