Re: [RBW] Re: Weird handlebar idea

[tuolumne bikes]

You can't do this (attached) with Crazy Bars unless you have hinged brake 
levers. The relaxed hand position is palms at about 45 degrees with thumbs 
around the bar ends and heel of the hand on the handle bar. On sketchy 
descents you have a standard straight bar with two finger braking. Shifting 
and braking are accessible in either position. I'm not currently using 
this, but it worked for several years. Using Northroad variations now since 
my wrists like the 45 degree angle.

I realize this photo may disturb some folks, but the thread is called weird 
handlebar idea.

Carl

On Saturday, August 8, 2020 at 1:44:17 PM UTC-7 Jim M. wrote:

> On Saturday, August 8, 2020 at 8:53:11 AM UTC-7, Zack Medow wrote:
>>
>> So I maybe didn't describe this well enough. Just imagine a mustache bar 
>> but with the brake hoods in the standard position for a drop bar. So it's 
>> like a normal dop bar, but all parts of the bar are on the same plane. The 
>> idea is to have a normal hoods position, plus a swoop back part of the bar 
>> that's on the same level with the drops. 
>>
>>>
>>> I've been intrigued by Velo Orange's Crazy Bar, though I don't know if 
> you can put drop levers on those horns: 
> https://velo-orange.com/collections/handlebars/products/crazy-bars-1 
>
>
>
> 
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[RBW] Re: new sweaters/vests

[Kieran J]

Sad thing to be reminded of.
RIP Seth .. :-(

KJ


On Friday, February 4, 2011 at 9:32:42 PM UTC-8, Seth Vidal wrote:
>
> http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/324
>
> For the rivhq gang - does anyone know the type of sheep the wool comes
> from?  Inquiring minds (like my knitting significant other) want to
> know.
>
> I'm curious where they're being made.
>
>
> Love the ben franklin sweater. Will probably buy 2 of them just for me.
>
> -sv
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Machined vs non-machined brake track

[Nick Payne]

I prefer non-machined - the rims will last longer before needing replacing 
as the machining a) decreases the thickness of the rim wall at the brake 
track, and b) leads to variations in the thickness of the brake track 
around the circumference of the rim. Velocity offer quite a few of their 
rims in either machined or non-machined versions - I always choose the 
non-machined ones if they are available.

Jobst Brandt's take on machined rims was this: "*What you hear and read is 
mostly marketing hyperbole, but machining rims has its reason, and it isn't 
for your benefit. If you inspect a machined rim closely, you'll find a 
surface that looks as though made by a thread-cutting tool. The purpose is 
not to get a flat braking surface, but rather to produce a series of fine 
grooves to prevent brake squeal on new bicycle test rides.*"

Nick

On Thursday, 13 August 2020 06:08:58 UTC+10, Michael Williams wrote:
>
> I also had a question regarding machined vs non-machined braking surfaces. 
>   Do people ride both on the list?   Do they stop/ feel the same? Any pros/ 
> cons of one vs. the other?   I’ve only ridden machined so I don’t know any 
> different.   They stop great, crisp.  Non- machined seems to be a little 
> less expensive?.   Thanks.   -Mike

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Re: [RBW] Re: Weird handlebar idea

[Philip Williamson]

Hey, I’m glad it helps. I didn’t do any modifications, but...
You might want to use a half-round file to match the lever body to the bar. 
Simply turning the lever 90 degrees digs sharp corners of my example lever body 
into the bar. Someone predicted this setup would slip, but regular sideways 
levers on m-bars don’t slip.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA 

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[RBW] Re: new sweaters/vests

[Adam]

Has anyone received their vest yet? I’m looking forward to it!

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[RBW] FS: 58cm Rivendell Atlantis $1900.00

[Nikko in Oakland]

For quick reference. 
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-rivendell-atlantis-58cm-touring/7175682012.html

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[RBW] FS: 58cm Rivendell Atlantis $1900.00

[Matt Beecher]

We cannot reply off the list anymore. Can you send me an email. My name is 
beech333 Gmail com.  I’m assuming you can connects the dots(.), since we cannot 
post email addresses either.

Thanks,
Matt in Oswego, IL

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[RBW] FS: 54 Saluki, 55cm Heron Rando

[Joe Bernard]

They're in the Ebay/Craigslist thread. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Chauncey Matthews Riv-cloned Road Bike for Road, take 2

[David Johnston]

He is referring to the 26x1.75 Pasela which has a real width of about
41mm. Interestingly the Rene Herse Natches Pass 26 x 1.8" is also
about 41mm.

On 8/11/20, Addison Quarles  wrote:
> I must ask: a 41mm Pasela? How have I missed out on this? 700 x 41? Or is
> this another way of referring to the 26 x 1.75?
> Also, holy smokes do you have photos of this bike anywhere? This thing
> sounds wild!
>
> On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 11:22:55 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> No, though 1 reason was that I had only the 1 Pasela which I acquired as a
>>
>> a design gauge.
>>
>> There was perhaps 5 mm of clearance between top of Pasela and bottom of
>> flat-head allen bolt, and I could have ridden it so, but I wanted the fork
>>
>> made right, which means room for a real 45 and 10 mm under fender bolt.
>>
>> Once all is as it ought to be, I hope to get some Naches Pass tires and
>> *really* try out the design!
>>
>> Chauncey was waiting for a new (biplane; Pacenti?) fork crown a weeke
>> ago.
>>
>> Which leads to a dilemma, one that can only afflict the privileged: should
>>
>> 29s or 42s be the default tire? I'm inclined to keep the 29s as the "main"
>>
>> tire, since they ride so ineffably well on pavement, and since the bike
>> handles so wonderfully with them. I personally have no use for tires
>> fatter
>> than, say, 32 mm, for pavement, even less than perfect pavement; given our
>>
>> sandy soil, I prefer *real* width, as in 60 mm, and 700C to boot, for off
>>
>> road. The Naches Passes would be occasional, "just 'cause I feel like it"
>>
>> tires.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 7:14 AM Dave Johnston  wrote:
>>
>>> Did you try riding it as it was with the 41mm Pasela?
>>>
>>> -Dave
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 22, 2020 at 5:28:59 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

 Chauncey picked up the new bike this (actually, yesterday) morning to
 re-do the fork and reinforce the rear rack. A 41 mm Pasela has ample
 room
 under the 45 mm fender in the rear, but while it fits under the fender
 in
 front, there is only about 5 mm of clearance, so he will lengthen the
 fork
 legs to gain an additional 10 mm, and swap out the fork-crown fender
 mount
 with projecting boss with another that puts the threaded boss inside the

 steerer, so that the fender can be butted up tight against the underside
 of
 the crown. That should gain at least 3 mm. He said he can add more rake
 to
 the fork to preserve the wonderful (Riv-like, in fact, since it's Riv
 clone) handling.

 Grant would not have built me a custom with the features I wanted -- 42s

 with fenders, narrow Q, and 118 mm OL rear spacing, with braze-ones for

 Sturmey Archer trigger shifter, extra-long but thin plate dropouts
 (Chauncey cut his own), and internal light wire routing, with custom f
 and
 r racks. So I consider this a non-Riv tribute to Riv.

 Once I get the bike back, I'll look into buying some RH Naches Pass
 tires.

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 Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum

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[RBW] Re: Upgrade to Sam Hillborne from a Surly Corss-Check?

[Jeffrey S]

Thanks! That's going to be too large for me though.

On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 8:38:41 AM UTC-7, ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
>
> Jeffrey,
>
> If you are interested I have a 56cm Sam Hillborne twin-top-tube frame/fork 
> set I'm eventually going to get around to selling. Also have most of the 
> parts to build it up into a finished bicycle.
>
> You probably need a 34cm PBH to fit on this frame, if it's of interest.
>
> Best, Paul
>
> On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 10:06:23 AM UTC-4 RichS wrote:
>
>> Jeffrey,
>>
>> As a current Sam owner for five years and before that a Cross Check 
>> owner, the Sam wins hands down for the same reasons others have given here. 
>> If you don't feel the bike will be secure locked up at your place of 
>> employment, then by all means keep the CC as a commuter and the Sam for 
>> other rides and short tours.
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL 
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 10:49:00 AM UTC-4, Jeffrey Sincich wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all! I am considering finally upgrading from my Surly Cross-Check to 
>>> a Sam Hillborne. Has anyone done this, and if so, what are the 
>>> improvements? Were you happy you did so? I currently ride a 54cm 
>>> Corss-Check. I mainly commute to work, but some short bike tours are in the 
>>> future. Thanks in advance!
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] FS: 58cm Rivendell Atlantis $1900.00

[Brent Sole]

Hi there, after a few years of barely riding this one, I’ve decided to let my 
Atlantis go to someone who will enjoy and love it for years to come. I don’t 
know the exact year it was built, as I am the second owner, but it is pre-2008 
and was built in the Toyo Factory, probably early based on certain details.   
It’s a size 58cm, stand over is 33.5”.  It’s set up as my mountain bike, with 
2.1 WTB tires, and a 1x10 drivetrain. XTR rapid rise rear deraileur, 11-36t xt 
cassette, and a brand new 36t wolftooth chainring in front. Friction shift via 
suntour downtube mount. Nitto cockpit and rack, Paul canti brakes. All the good 
stuff. Also have some original crust leather bars and a cool purple steel 
brazed stem made by Erickson, right here in Seattle that could be included if 
you want to get radical (can include some microshift bar end shifters if you 
don’t like friction shift). Im willing to Help with shipping for the right 
buyer and we can discuss those terms. Please feel free to text me with 
questions or specific photo requests as long as you’re serious.  Can’t figure 
out how to post photos here, but they can be seen on the Seattle Craigslist add 
that I put up today, or just shoot me a mail and I’ll send you whatever you 
would like to see.  Plenty of scratches and paint chips, but no dings, dents, 
or rust that I’m aware of.   Wouldn’t dream of repainting it.  Cheers.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Chauncey Matthews Riv-cloned Road Bike for Road, take 2

[Addison Quarles]

I must ask: a 41mm Pasela? How have I missed out on this? 700 x 41? Or is 
this another way of referring to the 26 x 1.75? 
Also, holy smokes do you have photos of this bike anywhere? This thing 
sounds wild!

On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 11:22:55 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> No, though 1 reason was that I had only the 1 Pasela which I acquired as a 
> a design gauge. 
>
> There was perhaps 5 mm of clearance between top of Pasela and bottom of 
> flat-head allen bolt, and I could have ridden it so, but I wanted the fork 
> made right, which means room for a real 45 and 10 mm under fender bolt.
>
> Once all is as it ought to be, I hope to get some Naches Pass tires and 
> *really* try out the design!
>
> Chauncey was waiting for a new (biplane; Pacenti?) fork crown a weeke ago.
>
> Which leads to a dilemma, one that can only afflict the privileged: should 
> 29s or 42s be the default tire? I'm inclined to keep the 29s as the "main" 
> tire, since they ride so ineffably well on pavement, and since the bike 
> handles so wonderfully with them. I personally have no use for tires fatter 
> than, say, 32 mm, for pavement, even less than perfect pavement; given our 
> sandy soil, I prefer *real* width, as in 60 mm, and 700C to boot, for off 
> road. The Naches Passes would be occasional, "just 'cause I feel like it" 
> tires.
>
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 7:14 AM Dave Johnston  wrote:
>
>> Did you try riding it as it was with the 41mm Pasela?
>>
>> -Dave
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 22, 2020 at 5:28:59 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> Chauncey picked up the new bike this (actually, yesterday) morning to 
>>> re-do the fork and reinforce the rear rack. A 41 mm Pasela has ample room 
>>> under the 45 mm fender in the rear, but while it fits under the fender in 
>>> front, there is only about 5 mm of clearance, so he will lengthen the fork 
>>> legs to gain an additional 10 mm, and swap out the fork-crown fender mount 
>>> with projecting boss with another that puts the threaded boss inside the 
>>> steerer, so that the fender can be butted up tight against the underside of 
>>> the crown. That should gain at least 3 mm. He said he can add more rake to 
>>> the fork to preserve the wonderful (Riv-like, in fact, since it's Riv 
>>> clone) handling.
>>>
>>> Grant would not have built me a custom with the features I wanted -- 42s 
>>> with fenders, narrow Q, and 118 mm OL rear spacing, with braze-ones for 
>>> Sturmey Archer trigger shifter, extra-long but thin plate dropouts 
>>> (Chauncey cut his own), and internal light wire routing, with custom f and 
>>> r racks. So I consider this a non-Riv tribute to Riv.
>>>
>>> Once I get the bike back, I'll look into buying some RH Naches Pass 
>>> tires.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Patrick Moore
>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse Fender Install for QB

[Dan Vee]

Hey

Wow I’m using a Phil fixed/fixed track hub and didn’t even think of that until 
you said it! Totally forgot that that happens when you fully remove the bolts! 

-Dan

New jers

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: Albatross Bars

[Sam Perez]

I have an albatross in storage that is be willing to sell

On Wed, Aug 12, 2020, 10:37 AM Ray  wrote:

> Hi Tim or Joseph
>
> It sounds like Christian found what he was looking for but I'm looking for
> an Albatross bar as well. I don't have permission to PM members, but if you
> shoot me an email we can work something out.
>
> Thanks,
> Ray
>
> On Wednesday, August 5, 2020 at 4:56:10 PM UTC-5 Joseph Tousignant wrote:
>
>> Hi, I bought 2 of these a few years ago (heat treated Aluminum), and only
>> mounted them for a day or two. They didn't work for me on the frames I
>> wanted to use them on (one is a 1980's Trek 720), because the frame was a
>> good fit for me with a flat upright MTB style bar mounted.  When I mounted
>> the Albatross bar it came back too far for my preference. Had I had a size
>> or two larger frame (or one with a longish top tube),...I could have used
>> it.
>>
>>Anyway, it bears just the light marks of mounting brake
>> levers,which yours would likely cover anyway. I would sell for $85
>> "shipped",...with with anticipated shipping of about $15 the bars are
>> basically $70 bucks. :-)
>>
>> If you can't find one locally,...email at your convenience.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Joseph Tousignant
>>
>>
>> On Friday, July 31, 2020 at 8:16:35 PM UTC-4 christian poppell wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> The Albatross bars are out of stock at Rivendell. I was hoping to use
>>> them on a HHH build. Is there anyone in the San Francisco Bay Area with
>>> some up for grabs? I prefer the aluminum but am open to the steel version
>>> as well. I have some h'bars for trade, Nitto B115, Nitto promenade (the U
>>> shaped one), and some Nitto Randoneeur bars.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Christian
>>> Berkeley, CA
>>>
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Re: [RBW] A not-so-riv-ish Riv

[Tim Wilson]

Thanks. It's not an Albastache bar, though, just a regular Nitto mustache bar 
from the old days.

The whole Campy Ergo 11 to Shimano 9 index-matching thing, once I learned about 
it, solved a number of problems and created some interesting opportunities: 

• Road levers natively matched to cantilever brakes (Campy CX) for proper 
leverage and modulation (tricky to do with Shimano stuff back then).
• Cassettes with more than 9 cogs weren't clearing the end of the chainstay 
cleanly.
• Ergo brake levers don't pivot in like STI, essential on a mustache bar where 
IN becomes DOWN (with STI you'd risk shifting every time you hit the brakes).
• Placement of the Ergo thumb lever is just right on the bottom side of the 
mustache bar.
• Reasonably clean cable routing.



Tim Wilson

> On Aug 12, 2020, at 5:56 AM, Surlyprof  wrote:
> 
> This is one of the coolest Rivs I’ve seen in a while.  I had thought to put 
> ergo shifters on my albastache bars but wasn’t sure it would work out.  Nice 
> to see that you pulled it off.  Love this bike!
> 
> John
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[RBW] FS: Paul Racer Medium Braze-On brake calipers

[Chris Corral]

Hi all, I bought these for a build that never happened. Probably never will 
since it needs to be totally custom and I just have enough bikes frankly. 

I have a full set, so 2 calipers. New in box. One was opened just to look 
at, but the other is still sealed in plastic. As noted, these are the braze 
on model which are NOT compatible with traditional cantilever or ubrake 
post mounts. A framebuilder can move or replace the posts to make these 
work. See the link below for full details

Make an offer. Thx,

https://www.paulcomp.com/shop/components/brakes/center-pull-brakes/racer-medium/
  

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[RBW] FS: 54 Saluki, 55cm Heron Rando

[mikemike]

My friend has 2 bikes for sale. i cant seem to copy and paste the links but 
search Rhode island craigslist for 'Rivendell ahh/saluki' and Heron 
Rivendell Randonneur

mike goldman
rhode island

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Re: [RBW] A not-so-riv-ish Riv

[Addison Quarles]

One might argue that this bike represents a forgotten cube of Rivendell 
Bullion, tucked away on a dusty shelf, waiting to be added to some 
crazy-ass long-chainstayed stew a couple decades down the road. 
I've longed for an All Rounder. Missed one for a criminally low price years 
back and haven't slept well since. 
Beautiful bike, Tim. 

On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 11:07:40 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Tim: Welcome, and have no fear about a bar lower than saddle. All my bikes 
> have bars lower than saddle, though the dirt road bike only by 6 or 12 mm 
> (much longer stem, though). In the "just ride" world there is a very well 
> defined and categorized place for lower bars.
>
> The All Rounder looks a lot of fun. My move to Rivendell as similar, 
> though more road-focused. I had bought a 1992 XO-1 after hearing about it 
> and thinking it might be the solution to the handling inadequacies of the 
> several 26" wheel mountain bikes I'd "road-ified" with road tires, gearing, 
> and drop bars: the defect was that, although nice, they didn't handle like 
> a nice road bike. The XO-1 was much closer. I built in in several forms, 
> including gofast road bike, and when Grant announed Rivendell, I asked him 
> to make me a road bike like the XO-1 but "better." He said, "Oh, it'll be 
> better" -- and it was. He used the AR as the model, for 26" road wheels, 
> but steeper head (73*) and road tubing, lugs, and crown. It was good. Then 
> he built 2 more 26" wheel road bikes, even better. I still have 1, the 
> other very recently replaced with a clone by another builder that includes 
> certain modifications that I wanted, including -- getting back to the 
> Ancestor -- room for 45 mm tires with fenders for light off road riding. 
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 8:48 AM Tim Wilson  wrote:
>
>> I'm new to the bunch, but a Rivendell owner since the beginning. Thought 
>> some of you might be interested in seeing my admittedly 
>> no-longer-very-riv-ish '94 All Rounder.
>>
>> Here's the story: In 1993 I bought a Bridgestone XO-1 frame, the orange 
>> one, and spent the next year fiddling with configurations: various tire 
>> styles, bar shapes, shifter positions, gearing strategies, all generally in 
>> pursuit of the style of riding expressed in this famous image of Pineapple 
>> Bob from the catalog that year: nimble, athletic, rebellious; off the 
>> beaten path, old-school vibe.
>>
>> [image: Image.jpg]
>>
>> By '94, I'd figured out what setup I liked, but also that the frame I had 
>> wasn't the right size for me. Too late, though, as Bridgestone was now out 
>> of business in the US. Thankfully, Grant was on to his next thing, and 
>> offering the All-Rounder, which seemed intended to keep the XO thing going, 
>> at the time. I ordered one, drove up from Chicago to collect it at the 
>> Waterford facility, and have had it ever since.
>>
>> Here it is today. Not so Rivendell-like by current standards, but tons of 
>> fun to ride when I'm in the mustache-bar mood. Those are heretical 
>> brake-lever shifters on there. Chorus 11-spd Ergo driving a Shimano 9-spd 
>> mech. "Shimergo" I've heard it called. A perfect indexing match. Unusually, 
>> I do like 'stache bars (for rides shorter than a couple hours) but have 
>> never warmed to bar-end shifters. The Ergo levers work quite nicely on 
>> mustache bars.
>>
>> [image: IMG_1764.jpeg]
>>
>> I'm too old now to have as many bikes as I have, and this one may not 
>> make the cut. Don't know yet. What does the bunch think? I hope showing a 
>> bike with the stem lower than the seat doesn't get me in trouble here.
>>
>>
>> -Tim
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] A not-so-riv-ish Riv

[Andrew Stevens]

Absolutely stunning

What size is it?

Cheers

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Re: [RBW] Machined vs non-machined brake track

[Sam Perez]

I've used both I can't tell the difference

On Wed, Aug 12, 2020, 1:08 PM Michael Williams 
wrote:

> I also had a question regarding machined vs non-machined braking
> surfaces.   Do people ride both on the list?   Do they stop/ feel the same?
> Any pros/ cons of one vs. the other?   I’ve only ridden machined so I don’t
> know any different.   They stop great, crisp.  Non- machined seems to be a
> little less expensive?.   Thanks.   -Mike
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Re: [RBW] WTB: Dynamo Wheelset/ Tektro Canti brakes

[Greg Murphy]

I have tektro Cantis... Not entirely sure the exact model but I will be
happy to check

Greg

On Wed, Aug 12, 2020, 1:02 PM Michael Williams 
wrote:

> Hey all,  I recently purchased a 59cm Atlantis and I’m gathering some
> parts.  I’m wondering if anyone has a Dynamo Wheelset they’re not using
> and/ or a set of Tektro CR 720s.   I realize the 720s are pretty affordable
> new,  I just prefer 2nd hand. Thank you.  Mike
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[RBW] Re: Upgrade to Sam Hillborne from a Surly Corss-Check?

[Timothy Hurley]

I’ve had a Sam Hillborne for 11 years and have ridden a Cross Check a bunch of 
times. I agree they are functionally very similar, but the way they feel is 
night and day. There’s nothing bad about the way the Cross Check feels, but the 
S.H. is the most comfortable yet quick bike I’ve ever ridden. It’s like a fast 
moving easy chair. All this being said, Cross Check is a great bike too.

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[RBW] Re: A not-so-riv-ish Riv

[Sam Perez]

thats an awesome build, interesting green color.


On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 7:49:07 AM UTC-7, Tim Wilson wrote:
>
> I'm new to the bunch, but a Rivendell owner since the beginning. Thought 
> some of you might be interested in seeing my admittedly 
> no-longer-very-riv-ish '94 All Rounder.
>
> Here's the story: In 1993 I bought a Bridgestone XO-1 frame, the orange 
> one, and spent the next year fiddling with configurations: various tire 
> styles, bar shapes, shifter positions, gearing strategies, all generally in 
> pursuit of the style of riding expressed in this famous image of Pineapple 
> Bob from the catalog that year: nimble, athletic, rebellious; off the 
> beaten path, old-school vibe.
>
> [image: Image.jpg]
>
> By '94, I'd figured out what setup I liked, but also that the frame I had 
> wasn't the right size for me. Too late, though, as Bridgestone was now out 
> of business in the US. Thankfully, Grant was on to his next thing, and 
> offering the All-Rounder, which seemed intended to keep the XO thing going, 
> at the time. I ordered one, drove up from Chicago to collect it at the 
> Waterford facility, and have had it ever since.
>
> Here it is today. Not so Rivendell-like by current standards, but tons of 
> fun to ride when I'm in the mustache-bar mood. Those are heretical 
> brake-lever shifters on there. Chorus 11-spd Ergo driving a Shimano 9-spd 
> mech. "Shimergo" I've heard it called. A perfect indexing match. Unusually, 
> I do like 'stache bars (for rides shorter than a couple hours) but have 
> never warmed to bar-end shifters. The Ergo levers work quite nicely on 
> mustache bars.
>
> [image: IMG_1764.jpeg]
>
> I'm too old now to have as many bikes as I have, and this one may not make 
> the cut. Don't know yet. What does the bunch think? I hope showing a bike 
> with the stem lower than the seat doesn't get me in trouble here.
>
>
> -Tim
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: A not-so-riv-ish Riv

[Tim Wilson]

Ray, Max, Bill, Joe, Patrick, John, Rich, Mark, Greg, 'Jinxed',

Thanks so much for all the encouraging words. You're making it harder for me to 
think about selling this bike.



Tim Wilson


> On Aug 12, 2020, at 11:28 AM, 'jinxed' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> THAT is what a Rivendell should look like in my eyes...


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Re: [RBW] Upgrade to Sam Hillborne from a Surly Corss-Check?

[Jeffrey S]

Awesome! Glad to hear you are happy with the choice!


On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 8:55:34 AM UTC-7, Tirebiter ATX wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I sold my Cross-Check this past spring and bought a Homer.  The ride and 
> the fit is superior. The staff at Rivbike were awesome dialing in my 
> measurements and expectations.  The Hillborne is similar to the Homer. I 
> believe you will be pleased with the results.
> Lyman in Austin
>
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 9:49 AM Jeffrey Sincich  > wrote:
>
>> Hi all! I am considering finally upgrading from my Surly Cross-Check to a 
>> Sam Hillborne. Has anyone done this, and if so, what are the improvements? 
>> Were you happy you did so? I currently ride a 54cm Corss-Check. I mainly 
>> commute to work, but some short bike tours are in the future. Thanks in 
>> advance!
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: A not-so-riv-ish Riv

[Tim Wilson]

ST: 55cm c-t, TT: 57cm c-c. HT has a 2cm extension. I spec'ed the seat tube 
angle a little steeper than Grant wanted me to, but it all worked out perfectly 
for what this bike is.



Tim Wilson

> On Aug 11, 2020, at 10:45 AM, maxcr  wrote:
> 
> Love the bike, you’ve made it yours through the unique setup :)
> 
> What size? If you decide to sell, I might be interested.
> 
> Max
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[RBW] Tire Clearance? 55mm Rene Herse Fleecer Ridge Tires on a Waterford Atlantis

[Joshua Stacy]

Has anyone tried the new 55mm Rene Herse Fleecer Ridge tires on a Waterford 
Atlantis (size 61cm)? Seems like they might fit.

Thanks,
Joshua

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[RBW] Re: Upgrade to Sam Hillborne from a Surly Corss-Check?

[Andy Beichler]

I am curious about the finish of a Sam Hillborne.  I lucked into a 1984 
Paramount Touring a year or so ago and got my first up close view of what a 
high end frame looks like.  The finish on it is top notch.  The lug lines 
are very clean.  No stray file marks or tiny drips of brass (silver?).  The 
connection where the seat and chain stays join the drop out are fantastic.  
There is no evidence of a plug on the end of it.  I don't necessarily 
expect the same level of finish on a Sam Hillborne as I expect on a much 
more expensive bike, but I would like to think the finish is better than I 
would find on a Soma or Schwinn.  What is the finish on a Sam Hillborne 
like?


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[RBW] FS: 54cm Saluki, 55cm Heron Rando

[mike goldman]

https://providence.craigslist.org/bik/d/north-smithfield-heron-rivendell/7175804150.html


https://providence.craigslist.org/bik/d/north-smithfield-rivendell-ahh-saluki/7175804766.html

these belong to a friend

mike goldman
rhode island

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[RBW] Machined vs non-machined brake track

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

I've had good non-machined and I've had bad non-machined, I've only had good 
machined, and so I took a few hours of my life and machined my non machined 
with some sand paper and elbow grease. I broke my collarbone last November and 
I've come to blame the non machined brake tracks I was wearing in at the time, 
so yeah, machined for me.
-Kai

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Joe Bernard]

- Could be an unwilling sale, as in "wife told me to sell it, and it's on eBay, 
even though I listed it at such a ridiculous price that it'll never sell". -

"You bought me what? You spent how much?? I can't even ride it!!!"

'It's ok, I'm gonna MAKE money on this deal.'  *

*full disclosure, I had a ghostwriter for part of this script 

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[RBW] Re: ISO: Albatross Bars

[Will Ashe]

I am also searching for a 58cm HT albatross bar. If any of you fine folks still 
have a set available please let me know. 

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[RBW] WTB: Dynamo Wheelset/ Tektro Canti brakes

[Drw]

I have a set of tektros I just pulled off. Good shape. Pm me if interested. 

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[RBW] Re: WTB: clem L 59cm

[Saturday Mark]

We have a 59 Complete Clem L if you are interested. (New bike) 
$1500 boxed to ship.


On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 11:46:23 PM UTC-6, jamin orrall wrote:
>
> looking for a clem L 59 frameset.  Need to stop riding my cheviot like a 
> mtb! 
>
> Jamin
> Located in Los Angeles
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[RBW] Re: Machined vs non-machined brake track

[Garth]

  I've used both and frankly I prefer the non-machined. It's all that used 
to be and to me it's "normal". Isn't that the way it goes !!! 


On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 4:08:58 PM UTC-4, Michael Williams wrote:
>
> I also had a question regarding machined vs non-machined braking surfaces. 
>   Do people ride both on the list?   Do they stop/ feel the same? Any pros/ 
> cons of one vs. the other?   I’ve only ridden machined so I don’t know any 
> different.   They stop great, crisp.  Non- machined seems to be a little 
> less expensive?.   Thanks.   -Mike

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Bin Chen]

58cm Hunq, not cheap but these don't seem to come up often. Out in 
Modesto: 
https://modesto.craigslist.org/bik/d/escalon-rivendell-hunqapillar-touring/7174112835.html

On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 2:56:58 PM UTC-7 Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, 
CA wrote:

> On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 11:05:45 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> "The $3500 Clem L is on eBay. It's a nice bike but what on earth 
>> justifies the price here?"
>>
>> Nothing. A stock complete is about $1700 and I don't see any replacement 
>> parts on this bike to justify that bonkers upcharge.
>>
>
> Could be an unwilling sale, as in "wife told me to sell it, and it's on 
> eBay, even though I listed it at such a ridiculous price that it'll never 
> sell".
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA]

On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 11:05:45 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> "The $3500 Clem L is on eBay. It's a nice bike but what on earth justifies 
> the price here?"
>
> Nothing. A stock complete is about $1700 and I don't see any replacement 
> parts on this bike to justify that bonkers upcharge.
>

Could be an unwilling sale, as in "wife told me to sell it, and it's on 
eBay, even though I listed it at such a ridiculous price that it'll never 
sell".

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Re: [RBW] Just to be Clear ... (On Rivendell and Crazy Conspiracy Theories)

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

https://news.yahoo.com/reparations-black-lives-matter-holds-164059290.html

On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 12:15:47 PM UTC-6, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> I’ve never seen a “peaceful looter” … please enlighten me.
>
> Reparations is a valid topic of political discussion/disagreement, but I 
> think all parties would agree that looting and burning has nothing to do 
> with it.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy  
>
> On Aug 12, 2020, at 11:11 AM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
> Peaceful looters and rioters burn and loot cities, it's called reparation, 
> and when we break the rule to not talk politics, this is where we go? Sigh. 
> Hail Mary ...
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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Re: [RBW] Machined vs non-machined brake track

[Patrick Moore]

I've used both, and I can't tell the difference in braking effectiveness,
though perhaps machined tracks means slightly smoother braking, since you
don't have those protruding rim joints -- "thump-thump-thump" -- that
appear, say, on some of my Sun rims. But I'd trade smoothness for a bit
more rim wall thickness.

I was riding the 1999 Joe Starck yestiddy, which has a single, front,
single-pivot Dia Comp Royal Grand Comp caliper with the statutory salmon
pads, pads probably as old as the bike. The brake, activated by 74xx-series
Dura Ace levers, is very powerful, modulates very well, and has a nice
("nice") feel. It also maximizes clearance for a front fender, if fenders
were things I'd put on this bike. The Tektro 559 or whatever that I used on
another Riv were palid and consumptive by comparison and crowded the
fenders.

Point (yes! there is a point!) The quality of your brake is far more
important that the machining of your brake track.

On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 2:09 PM Michael Williams 
wrote:

> I also had a question regarding machined vs non-machined braking
> surfaces.   Do people ride both on the list?   Do they stop/ feel the same?
> Any pros/ cons of one vs. the other?   I’ve only ridden machined so I don’t
> know any different.   They stop great, crisp.  Non- machined seems to be a
> little less expensive?.   Thanks.   -Mike
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Re: [RBW] Just to be Clear ... (On Rivendell and Crazy Conspiracy Theories)

[Garth]

  DP, "Conspiracies" come in all shapes and sizes, all with forked-tongues. 
Call it the "theory of cause and effect"... aka  "a liar and the father of 
it." 



On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 3:32:24 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:

> Och, Eric D. Aye, silly. But I did not introduce the divisiveness, the 
> original post does, in ascribing "crazy conspiracy theories" to a specific 
> vein of political thinking. There is a reason we either avoid the topics 
> entirely, but please, don't call my post divisive because I point out the 
> divisive already present that people were having silly fun with.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
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[RBW] Machined vs non-machined brake track

[Michael Williams]

I also had a question regarding machined vs non-machined braking surfaces.   Do 
people ride both on the list?   Do they stop/ feel the same? Any pros/ cons of 
one vs. the other?   I’ve only ridden machined so I don’t know any different.   
They stop great, crisp.  Non- machined seems to be a little less expensive?.   
Thanks.   -Mike

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[RBW] WTB: Dynamo Wheelset/ Tektro Canti brakes

[Michael Williams]

Hey all,  I recently purchased a 59cm Atlantis and I’m gathering some parts.  
I’m wondering if anyone has a Dynamo Wheelset they’re not using and/ or a set 
of Tektro CR 720s.   I realize the 720s are pretty affordable new,  I just 
prefer 2nd hand. Thank you.  Mike

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Re: [RBW] Just to be Clear ... (On Rivendell and Crazy Conspiracy Theories)

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Och, Eric D. Aye, silly. But I did not introduce the divisiveness, the 
original post does, in ascribing "crazy conspiracy theories" to a specific 
vein of political thinking. There is a reason we either avoid the topics 
entirely, but please, don't call my post divisive because I point out the 
divisive already present that people were having silly fun with.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 12:24:14 PM UTC-6, Eric Daume wrote:
>
> This seems like a needlessly divisive comment in an otherwise silly (even 
> if off topic) thread. 
>
> Eric
>
> On Wednesday, August 12, 2020, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> Peaceful looters and rioters burn and loot cities, it's called 
>> reparation, and when we break the rule to not talk politics, this is where 
>> we go? Sigh. Hail Mary ...
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
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[RBW] Re: FS: Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Matthew Williams]

 

Heron Randonneur, 55cm

$2999

North Smithfield, RI

https://providence.craigslist.org/bik/d/north-smithfield-heron-rivendell/7175804150.html



AHH/Saluki, 54cm

$2999

North Smithfield, RI

https://providence.craigslist.org/bik/d/north-smithfield-rivendell-ahh-saluki/7175804766.html



Heron Randonneur, 54-56cm

$1000

Denver, CO

https://denver.craigslist.org/bik/d/denver-heron/7164488596.html



Atlantis, 58cm

$1900

Seattle, WA

https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-rivendell-atlantis-58cm-touring/7175682012.html



Quickbeam, 68cm

$1400

Mammoth Lakes, CA

https://reno.craigslist.org/bik/d/mammoth-lakes-fs-rivendell-quickbeam-68/7174289250.html

On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 at 4:11:41 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:

> This thread is for Rivendells you've found on eBay, CraigsList, and sites 
> beyond: bikes in which you think someone here might be interested. This 
> thread isn't for posting ads to your own ad, it's just so people who are 
> searching or interested have a place to look, like, "Hey, check this out!" 
> Here are a few, from today's searches:
>
> 61cm Roadini
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/283940882590
>
> 58cm Quickbeam
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/pinole-rivendell-quickbeam-58/7154380920.html
>
> 52cm Clementine
>
> https://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/bik/d/richardson-rivendell-clementine/7130894748.html
>
> 65cm Redwood
>
> https://bellingham.craigslist.org/bik/d/bellingham-rivendell-redwood/7153843392.html
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Re: [RBW] Re: Upgrade to Sam Hillborne from a Surly Corss-Check?

[Toshi Takeuchi]

I went from a Surly Pacer to the Homer, and saw a huge improvement in
handling, comfort and enjoyment.  I love Surly products and they are great
for the price (my son is riding a cross-check), but the Riv upgrade is
definitely worth it!

Toshi


On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 10:20 AM Shoji Takahashi 
wrote:

> I'm a third to have made the move from CC to Riv (Homer) many years ago
> now. Riv ride and handling are much better for me.
>
> Good luck, shoji
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 12:07:55 PM UTC-4, maxcr wrote:
>>
>> I did this many years ago and never looked back. I had a frankenstem on
>> my cross-check to get the bars where I wanted them. To me the Sam felt far
>> more comfortable and stable, on top of that I outfitted it with fatter
>> tires and a nicer rack which made the bike more functional for things
>> beyond my commute.
>>
>> If you're thinking about it and you can afford, you should do it - I'm
>> confident you won't regret it.
>>
>> Max
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 10:49:00 AM UTC-4, Jeffrey Sincich wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all! I am considering finally upgrading from my Surly Cross-Check to
>>> a Sam Hillborne. Has anyone done this, and if so, what are the
>>> improvements? Were you happy you did so? I currently ride a 54cm
>>> Corss-Check. I mainly commute to work, but some short bike tours are in the
>>> future. Thanks in advance!
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Joe Bernard]

And it's a $200 I don't consider an upgrade from the stock cassette and 
derailer. It's a swap. 

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Re: [RBW] Just to be Clear ... (On Rivendell and Crazy Conspiracy Theories)

[Eric Daume]

This seems like a needlessly divisive comment in an otherwise silly (even
if off topic) thread.

Eric

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> Peaceful looters and rioters burn and loot cities, it's called reparation,
> and when we break the rule to not talk politics, this is where we go? Sigh.
> Hail Mary ...
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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Re: [RBW] Just to be Clear ... (On Rivendell and Crazy Conspiracy Theories)

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I’ve never seen a “peaceful looter” … please enlighten me.

Reparations is a valid topic of political discussion/disagreement, but I think 
all parties would agree that looting and burning has nothing to do with it.

--Eric Norris
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> On Aug 12, 2020, at 11:11 AM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> Peaceful looters and rioters burn and loot cities, it's called reparation, 
> and when we break the rule to not talk politics, this is where we go? Sigh. 
> Hail Mary ...
> 
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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[RBW] Re: FS: Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, NY)]

Yep, ~$200 vs. $1500. 

On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 2:10:24 PM UTC-4, Collin A wrote:
>
> Whoops, that's an alfine...
>
> On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 11:08:39 AM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:
>
>> Rohloff? That's like $1500 right there
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 11:05:45 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> "The $3500 Clem L is on eBay. It's a nice bike but what on earth 
>>> justifies the price here?"
>>>
>>> Nothing. A stock complete is about $1700 and I don't see any replacement 
>>> parts on this bike to justify that bonkers upcharge. 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Collin A]

Whoops, that's an alfine...

On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 11:08:39 AM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:

> Rohloff? That's like $1500 right there
>
> On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 11:05:45 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> "The $3500 Clem L is on eBay. It's a nice bike but what on earth 
>> justifies the price here?"
>>
>> Nothing. A stock complete is about $1700 and I don't see any replacement 
>> parts on this bike to justify that bonkers upcharge. 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Just to be Clear ... (On Rivendell and Crazy Conspiracy Theories)

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Peaceful looters and rioters burn and loot cities, it's called reparation, 
and when we break the rule to not talk politics, this is where we go? Sigh. 
Hail Mary ...

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Collin A]

Rohloff? That's like $1500 right there

On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 11:05:45 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> "The $3500 Clem L is on eBay. It's a nice bike but what on earth justifies 
> the price here?"
>
> Nothing. A stock complete is about $1700 and I don't see any replacement 
> parts on this bike to justify that bonkers upcharge. 
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[RBW] Re: FS: Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Joe Bernard]

"The $3500 Clem L is on eBay. It's a nice bike but what on earth justifies the 
price here?"

Nothing. A stock complete is about $1700 and I don't see any replacement parts 
on this bike to justify that bonkers upcharge. 

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[RBW] Re: FOR SALE : SOMA BUENA VISTA

['Charlie' via RBW Owners Bunch]

SOLD pending $$$
Charlie Petry

On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 8:56:56 AM UTC-4 Charlie wrote:

> NEW PRICE $800 LOCAL PICKUP - WILL MEET 1/2 WAY IF NOT NEAR ME - 
> JENNERSVILLE PA
>
>
> On Sunday, August 9, 2020 at 7:56:27 AM UTC-4, Charlie wrote:
>>
>> SOMA -  BUENA VISTA MIXTE size 54 cm = MEDIUM SIZE
>>
>> FRAME : PEARL WHITE - TANGE PRESTIGE HEAT TREATED CHROMOLLY STEEL BUTTED 
>> NOT LIKE THE PRODUCTION FRAMES BUILT OF ALUMINUM 
>> Sport touring geometry - HEADSET : ORIGIN 8
>>
>> SHIFTERS : FRONT: SHIMANO DURA ACE - REAR: SHIMANO ULTEGRA with long cage 
>> - 
>> SHIMANO ULTEGRA BARE END
>>
>> HANDLEBARS: NITTO NORTH ROAD #B352
>>
>> BRAKES : SHIMANO DUAL PIVOT LONG REACH - ULTEGRA CLASS 
>> LEVERS : CANE CREEK FLAT TOP with 2 position 
>>
>> CRANK : SHIMANO DEORE 44-29 CHAIN RINGS
>>
>> PEDALS : MKS SYLVAN TOURING with adjustable bearings = REBUILDABLE
>>
>> WHEELS : SHIMANO : 105 HUBS - STAINLESS STEEL SPOKES - RIMS BONTRAGER - 
>> TIRES : CONTINENTAL GATOR SKIN 700c x 25
>>
>> CONDITION IS NEW BUILD - NO EXPENSE SPARED - ONLY BUILT WITH QUALITY PARTS
>>
>>   $950 CASH  SHIPPED TO LOWER 48 STATES
>>
>> [image: DSCF1777.JPG]
>>
>> [image: DSCF1776.JPG]
>> CONTACT OFF LIST : charliepedal (at) verizon  (dot)  net  
>>
>> Charlie Petry
>> JENNERSVILLE PENNSLYVANIA 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Upgrade to Sam Hillborne from a Surly Corss-Check?

[☆ Paul ☆]

It's a really small bike. It's made for Hobbits.

Seriously though, yes, you'll need a 34 INCH PBH to fit on the Sam.

On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 1:33:15 PM UTC-4, RichS wrote:
>
> . . .or 34-inches
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 12, 2020, at 1:19 PM, Mark Roland  > wrote:
>
> 
> If a 34cm PBH is needed to fit this bicycle, you may want to try asking at 
> the little boys and girls table. Unless maybe you were actually thinking 
> 84cm?
>
> On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 11:38:41 AM UTC-4, ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
>>
>> Jeffrey,
>>
>> If you are interested I have a 56cm Sam Hillborne twin-top-tube 
>> frame/fork set I'm eventually going to get around to selling. Also have 
>> most of the parts to build it up into a finished bicycle.
>>
>> You probably need a 34cm PBH to fit on this frame, if it's of interest.
>>
>> Best, Paul
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 10:06:23 AM UTC-4 RichS wrote:
>>
>>> Jeffrey,
>>>
>>> As a current Sam owner for five years and before that a Cross Check 
>>> owner, the Sam wins hands down for the same reasons others have given here. 
>>> If you don't feel the bike will be secure locked up at your place of 
>>> employment, then by all means keep the CC as a commuter and the Sam for 
>>> other rides and short tours.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rich in ATL 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 10:49:00 AM UTC-4, Jeffrey Sincich wrote:
>>>
 Hi all! I am considering finally upgrading from my Surly Cross-Check to 
 a Sam Hillborne. Has anyone done this, and if so, what are the 
 improvements? Were you happy you did so? I currently ride a 54cm 
 Corss-Check. I mainly commute to work, but some short bike tours are in 
 the 
 future. Thanks in advance!

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, NY)]

The $3500 Clem L is on eBay. It's a nice bike but what on earth justifies 
the price here? 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Clem-Smith-Jr-L-52cm-Silver-Brand-New-Gorgeous-Step-thru-bike/333683014115?hash=item4db10eb9e3:g:rZwAAOSwULhfMrlx

On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 at 7:11:41 PM UTC-4, Matthew Williams wrote:
>
> This thread is for Rivendells you've found on eBay, CraigsList, and sites 
> beyond: bikes in which you think someone here might be interested. This 
> thread isn't for posting ads to your own ad, it's just so people who are 
> searching or interested have a place to look, like, "Hey, check this out!" 
> Here are a few, from today's searches:
>
> 61cm Roadini
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/283940882590
>
> 58cm Quickbeam
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/pinole-rivendell-quickbeam-58/7154380920.html
>
> 52cm Clementine
>
> https://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/bik/d/richardson-rivendell-clementine/7130894748.html
>
> 65cm Redwood
>
> https://bellingham.craigslist.org/bik/d/bellingham-rivendell-redwood/7153843392.html
>

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[RBW] Re: ISO: Albatross Bars

[Ray]

Hi Tim or Joseph

It sounds like Christian found what he was looking for but I'm looking for 
an Albatross bar as well. I don't have permission to PM members, but if you 
shoot me an email we can work something out.

Thanks,
Ray

On Wednesday, August 5, 2020 at 4:56:10 PM UTC-5 Joseph Tousignant wrote:

> Hi, I bought 2 of these a few years ago (heat treated Aluminum), and only 
> mounted them for a day or two. They didn't work for me on the frames I 
> wanted to use them on (one is a 1980's Trek 720), because the frame was a 
> good fit for me with a flat upright MTB style bar mounted.  When I mounted 
> the Albatross bar it came back too far for my preference. Had I had a size 
> or two larger frame (or one with a longish top tube),...I could have used 
> it.
>
>Anyway, it bears just the light marks of mounting brake 
> levers,which yours would likely cover anyway. I would sell for $85 
> "shipped",...with with anticipated shipping of about $15 the bars are 
> basically $70 bucks. :-)
>
> If you can't find one locally,...email at your convenience.
>
> Cheers,
> Joseph Tousignant
>  
>
> On Friday, July 31, 2020 at 8:16:35 PM UTC-4 christian poppell wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> The Albatross bars are out of stock at Rivendell. I was hoping to use 
>> them on a HHH build. Is there anyone in the San Francisco Bay Area with 
>> some up for grabs? I prefer the aluminum but am open to the steel version 
>> as well. I have some h'bars for trade, Nitto B115, Nitto promenade (the U 
>> shaped one), and some Nitto Randoneeur bars. 
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Christian
>> Berkeley, CA
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Upgrade to Sam Hillborne from a Surly Corss-Check?

[R Shannon]

. . .or 34-inches

Best,
Rich in ATL

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 12, 2020, at 1:19 PM, Mark Roland  wrote:
> 
> 
> If a 34cm PBH is needed to fit this bicycle, you may want to try asking at 
> the little boys and girls table. Unless maybe you were actually thinking 84cm?
> 
>> On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 11:38:41 AM UTC-4, ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
>> Jeffrey,
>> 
>> If you are interested I have a 56cm Sam Hillborne twin-top-tube frame/fork 
>> set I'm eventually going to get around to selling. Also have most of the 
>> parts to build it up into a finished bicycle.
>> 
>> You probably need a 34cm PBH to fit on this frame, if it's of interest.
>> 
>> Best, Paul
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 10:06:23 AM UTC-4 RichS wrote:
>>> Jeffrey,
>>> 
>>> As a current Sam owner for five years and before that a Cross Check owner, 
>>> the Sam wins hands down for the same reasons others have given here. If you 
>>> don't feel the bike will be secure locked up at your place of employment, 
>>> then by all means keep the CC as a commuter and the Sam for other rides and 
>>> short tours.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Rich in ATL 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 10:49:00 AM UTC-4, Jeffrey Sincich wrote:
 Hi all! I am considering finally upgrading from my Surly Cross-Check to a 
 Sam Hillborne. Has anyone done this, and if so, what are the improvements? 
 Were you happy you did so? I currently ride a 54cm Corss-Check. I mainly 
 commute to work, but some short bike tours are in the future. Thanks in 
 advance!
 
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[RBW] Re: Upgrade to Sam Hillborne from a Surly Corss-Check?

[Mark Roland]

If a 34cm PBH is needed to fit this bicycle, you may want to try asking at 
the little boys and girls table. Unless maybe you were actually thinking 
84cm?

On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 11:38:41 AM UTC-4, ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
>
> Jeffrey,
>
> If you are interested I have a 56cm Sam Hillborne twin-top-tube frame/fork 
> set I'm eventually going to get around to selling. Also have most of the 
> parts to build it up into a finished bicycle.
>
> You probably need a 34cm PBH to fit on this frame, if it's of interest.
>
> Best, Paul
>
> On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 10:06:23 AM UTC-4 RichS wrote:
>
>> Jeffrey,
>>
>> As a current Sam owner for five years and before that a Cross Check 
>> owner, the Sam wins hands down for the same reasons others have given here. 
>> If you don't feel the bike will be secure locked up at your place of 
>> employment, then by all means keep the CC as a commuter and the Sam for 
>> other rides and short tours.
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL 
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 10:49:00 AM UTC-4, Jeffrey Sincich wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all! I am considering finally upgrading from my Surly Cross-Check to 
>>> a Sam Hillborne. Has anyone done this, and if so, what are the 
>>> improvements? Were you happy you did so? I currently ride a 54cm 
>>> Corss-Check. I mainly commute to work, but some short bike tours are in the 
>>> future. Thanks in advance!
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Just to be Clear ... (On Rivendell and Crazy Conspiracy Theories)

[Brett Callahan]

He must be, I read it on the internet!

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Re: [RBW] FS: Bags

[Conway Bennett]

All but the large Sackville Saddlesack have been sold and shipped.

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[RBW] Re: A not-so-riv-ish Riv

['jinxed' via RBW Owners Bunch]

THAT is what a Rivendell *should* look like in my eyes. Perfect perfect. 
The higher the bars have gone, and longer the chainstays get, the less I'm 
interested in what they're doing.

I too was pretty devoted to the mustache bar,  but after some wrist issues 
from the past crept up again I had to switch them out. Little did I know, 
the Albatross I tried on a whim became a huge favorite. It allowed me the 
semi "aero?" position of the M, but with the relief of the grips.

Bravo on the ergo/M combo! And extra points for the Shimergo! 

On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 9:32:25 AM UTC-6 Greg J wrote:

> There was an article in the mid- to late-90s in a mainstream bike magazine 
> (Mountainbikes?) comparing, tongue-in-cheek, a Riv All-Rounder and the 
> latest Cannondale DH bike.  It had the standard Riv parts (Nitto, Brooks, 
> and Suntour bar-ends), but generally similar to your bike, with the m-bars 
> and saddle-bar level.  So in my mind, your AR is stylistically the 
> Rivendell that I think of as representative.  And my mid 90s AR is set up 
> similarly, except I have a normal drop bar.  I haven't ridden a m-bar in 
> years, but I recall liking it quite a bit.  
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 7:49:07 AM UTC-7, Tim Wilson wrote:
>>
>> I'm new to the bunch, but a Rivendell owner since the beginning. Thought 
>> some of you might be interested in seeing my admittedly 
>> no-longer-very-riv-ish '94 All Rounder.
>>
>> Here's the story: In 1993 I bought a Bridgestone XO-1 frame, the orange 
>> one, and spent the next year fiddling with configurations: various tire 
>> styles, bar shapes, shifter positions, gearing strategies, all generally in 
>> pursuit of the style of riding expressed in this famous image of Pineapple 
>> Bob from the catalog that year: nimble, athletic, rebellious; off the 
>> beaten path, old-school vibe.
>>
>> [image: Image.jpg]
>>
>> By '94, I'd figured out what setup I liked, but also that the frame I had 
>> wasn't the right size for me. Too late, though, as Bridgestone was now out 
>> of business in the US. Thankfully, Grant was on to his next thing, and 
>> offering the All-Rounder, which seemed intended to keep the XO thing going, 
>> at the time. I ordered one, drove up from Chicago to collect it at the 
>> Waterford facility, and have had it ever since.
>>
>> Here it is today. Not so Rivendell-like by current standards, but tons of 
>> fun to ride when I'm in the mustache-bar mood. Those are heretical 
>> brake-lever shifters on there. Chorus 11-spd Ergo driving a Shimano 9-spd 
>> mech. "Shimergo" I've heard it called. A perfect indexing match. Unusually, 
>> I do like 'stache bars (for rides shorter than a couple hours) but have 
>> never warmed to bar-end shifters. The Ergo levers work quite nicely on 
>> mustache bars.
>>
>> [image: IMG_1764.jpeg]
>>
>> I'm too old now to have as many bikes as I have, and this one may not 
>> make the cut. Don't know yet. What does the bunch think? I hope showing a 
>> bike with the stem lower than the seat doesn't get me in trouble here.
>>
>>
>> -Tim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 650b/700c tires, Campagnolo, Albatross, Sugino, Surly (SF Bay)

[CMR]

Open to bundled offers!

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto/Riv handlebars, lugged stem, Cliffhangers, Rack

[Reid Echols]

All the bars are sold, sorry. 

Reid in Austin

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[RBW] Re: Upgrade to Sam Hillborne from a Surly Corss-Check?

[☆ Paul ☆]

Jeffrey,

If you are interested I have a 56cm Sam Hillborne twin-top-tube frame/fork 
set I'm eventually going to get around to selling. Also have most of the 
parts to build it up into a finished bicycle.

You probably need a 34cm PBH to fit on this frame, if it's of interest.

Best, Paul

On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 10:06:23 AM UTC-4 RichS wrote:

> Jeffrey,
>
> As a current Sam owner for five years and before that a Cross Check owner, 
> the Sam wins hands down for the same reasons others have given here. If you 
> don't feel the bike will be secure locked up at your place of employment, 
> then by all means keep the CC as a commuter and the Sam for other rides and 
> short tours.
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL 
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 10:49:00 AM UTC-4, Jeffrey Sincich wrote:
>
>> Hi all! I am considering finally upgrading from my Surly Cross-Check to a 
>> Sam Hillborne. Has anyone done this, and if so, what are the improvements? 
>> Were you happy you did so? I currently ride a 54cm Corss-Check. I mainly 
>> commute to work, but some short bike tours are in the future. Thanks in 
>> advance!
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: A not-so-riv-ish Riv

[Greg J]

There was an article in the mid- to late-90s in a mainstream bike magazine 
(Mountainbikes?) comparing, tongue-in-cheek, a Riv All-Rounder and the 
latest Cannondale DH bike.  It had the standard Riv parts (Nitto, Brooks, 
and Suntour bar-ends), but generally similar to your bike, with the m-bars 
and saddle-bar level.  So in my mind, your AR is stylistically the 
Rivendell that I think of as representative.  And my mid 90s AR is set up 
similarly, except I have a normal drop bar.  I haven't ridden a m-bar in 
years, but I recall liking it quite a bit.  

Greg

On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 7:49:07 AM UTC-7, Tim Wilson wrote:
>
> I'm new to the bunch, but a Rivendell owner since the beginning. Thought 
> some of you might be interested in seeing my admittedly 
> no-longer-very-riv-ish '94 All Rounder.
>
> Here's the story: In 1993 I bought a Bridgestone XO-1 frame, the orange 
> one, and spent the next year fiddling with configurations: various tire 
> styles, bar shapes, shifter positions, gearing strategies, all generally in 
> pursuit of the style of riding expressed in this famous image of Pineapple 
> Bob from the catalog that year: nimble, athletic, rebellious; off the 
> beaten path, old-school vibe.
>
> [image: Image.jpg]
>
> By '94, I'd figured out what setup I liked, but also that the frame I had 
> wasn't the right size for me. Too late, though, as Bridgestone was now out 
> of business in the US. Thankfully, Grant was on to his next thing, and 
> offering the All-Rounder, which seemed intended to keep the XO thing going, 
> at the time. I ordered one, drove up from Chicago to collect it at the 
> Waterford facility, and have had it ever since.
>
> Here it is today. Not so Rivendell-like by current standards, but tons of 
> fun to ride when I'm in the mustache-bar mood. Those are heretical 
> brake-lever shifters on there. Chorus 11-spd Ergo driving a Shimano 9-spd 
> mech. "Shimergo" I've heard it called. A perfect indexing match. Unusually, 
> I do like 'stache bars (for rides shorter than a couple hours) but have 
> never warmed to bar-end shifters. The Ergo levers work quite nicely on 
> mustache bars.
>
> [image: IMG_1764.jpeg]
>
> I'm too old now to have as many bikes as I have, and this one may not make 
> the cut. Don't know yet. What does the bunch think? I hope showing a bike 
> with the stem lower than the seat doesn't get me in trouble here.
>
>
> -Tim
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] A not-so-riv-ish Riv

[Rob Kristoff]

Beautiful. Love it all, including the Campagnolo.

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[RBW] Re: FS: 56cm Toyo Atlantis

[Ray]

I know you were mainly hoping to deal locally, but if you are open to 
shipping I am interested in the rear rack.

Thanks,
Ray

On Monday, August 10, 2020 at 7:22:30 PM UTC-5 WETH wrote:

> Still looks beautiful! Glad you found it a new home! Saw this too late, or 
> I might’ve been tempted to buy it back!
> All the best,
> Erl

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[RBW] Just to be Clear ... (On Rivendell and Crazy Conspiracy Theories)

[Rob Kristoff]

Brett, am I decoding your message correctly that Will is JFK, jr? ;) 

Rob

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[RBW] Re: A not-so-riv-ish Riv

[Mark Roland]

Sweet-looking machine. To my eye much more elegant than most of today's all 
road offerings-something about skinny knobbies and cantilever brakes on a 
roadish steel frame that's hard to beat. You're right in that it's not in 
line with the Rivs of recent years, and you would never see a rider in 
Pineapple Bob's position in any current t literature from Rivendell. But 
that against the grain, fun & practical spirit that is Rivendell shines 
through. (How you work those levers is beyond me, though! Give me bar ends 
any day. Diff'rent strokes.)

On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 10:49:07 AM UTC-4, Tim Wilson wrote:
>
> I'm new to the bunch, but a Rivendell owner since the beginning. Thought 
> some of you might be interested in seeing my admittedly 
> no-longer-very-riv-ish '94 All Rounder.
>
> Here's the story: In 1993 I bought a Bridgestone XO-1 frame, the orange 
> one, and spent the next year fiddling with configurations: various tire 
> styles, bar shapes, shifter positions, gearing strategies, all generally in 
> pursuit of the style of riding expressed in this famous image of Pineapple 
> Bob from the catalog that year: nimble, athletic, rebellious; off the 
> beaten path, old-school vibe.
>
> [image: Image.jpg]
>
> By '94, I'd figured out what setup I liked, but also that the frame I had 
> wasn't the right size for me. Too late, though, as Bridgestone was now out 
> of business in the US. Thankfully, Grant was on to his next thing, and 
> offering the All-Rounder, which seemed intended to keep the XO thing going, 
> at the time. I ordered one, drove up from Chicago to collect it at the 
> Waterford facility, and have had it ever since.
>
> Here it is today. Not so Rivendell-like by current standards, but tons of 
> fun to ride when I'm in the mustache-bar mood. Those are heretical 
> brake-lever shifters on there. Chorus 11-spd Ergo driving a Shimano 9-spd 
> mech. "Shimergo" I've heard it called. A perfect indexing match. Unusually, 
> I do like 'stache bars (for rides shorter than a couple hours) but have 
> never warmed to bar-end shifters. The Ergo levers work quite nicely on 
> mustache bars.
>
> [image: IMG_1764.jpeg]
>
> I'm too old now to have as many bikes as I have, and this one may not make 
> the cut. Don't know yet. What does the bunch think? I hope showing a bike 
> with the stem lower than the seat doesn't get me in trouble here.
>
>
> -Tim
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: A not-so-riv-ish Riv

[RichS]

Tim,

Welcome to the group and thanks for sharing your delightful story and the 
image of your very Rivish AR. The Albastache bars look perfect too. Nicely 
done.

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 6:56:56 AM UTC-4, Surlyprof wrote:
>
> This is one of the coolest Rivs I’ve seen in a while.  I had thought to 
> put ergo shifters on my albastache bars but wasn’t sure it would work out. 
>  Nice to see that you pulled it off.  Love this bike! 
>
> John

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[RBW] Re: Upgrade to Sam Hillborne from a Surly Corss-Check?

[RichS]

Jeffrey,

As a current Sam owner for five years and before that a Cross Check owner, 
the Sam wins hands down for the same reasons others have given here. If you 
don't feel the bike will be secure locked up at your place of employment, 
then by all means keep the CC as a commuter and the Sam for other rides and 
short tours.

Best,
Rich in ATL 

On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 10:49:00 AM UTC-4, Jeffrey Sincich wrote:
>
> Hi all! I am considering finally upgrading from my Surly Cross-Check to a 
> Sam Hillborne. Has anyone done this, and if so, what are the improvements? 
> Were you happy you did so? I currently ride a 54cm Corss-Check. I mainly 
> commute to work, but some short bike tours are in the future. Thanks in 
> advance!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Upgrade to Sam Hillborne from a Surly Corss-Check?

[Carla Waugh]

I have had both and I liked them both for different reasons.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Orange Rivendell Rambouillet 60cm

[Matt Beecher]

It is gone. I was second in line, but it went to another forum member.

Good luck in your hunt. 

Best regards,
Matt in Oswego, IL

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[RBW] A not-so-riv-ish Riv

[Surlyprof]

This is one of the coolest Rivs I’ve seen in a while.  I had thought to put 
ergo shifters on my albastache bars but wasn’t sure it would work out.  Nice to 
see that you pulled it off.  Love this bike!

John

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[RBW] Re: FS 62 cm Custom Riv f/f by Joe Starck - ’98

[ctbiker]

Yes, the black frame is one of the last Kogswell P/Rs produced.  I'll 
probably sell that on the iBob forum.
I've been having trouble figuring out Flickr and had that album from before 
this offer so used it.

Anyway, price is OBO and you might be close enough so we could arrange a 
meeting.
Thanks,
Ray Foss
Lisbon, CT
rnkf AT comcast.net

On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 7:23:32 PM UTC-4 Corwin wrote:

> Hi -
>
> The link appears to have pics of two different frames. One set has 
> braze-ons for canti-levers or V-brakes, and mounts for a rack on the fork 
> crown. The other set of pics appears to be the Riv Road from previous posts 
> to this thread.
>
> Namaste,
>
>
> Corwin
>
> On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 7:48:59 AM UTC-7 ctbiker wrote:
>
>>
>> 3 new pix on 
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/fosses/albums/72157714856151207/with/50044245932/
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ray Foss
>> Lisbon, CT
>> U.S.A.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Upgrade to Sam Hillborne from a Surly Corss-Check?

[Surlyprof]

I agree with many of the responses, especially Jason’s:
- The Hillborne rides smoother
- The Hillborne tracks nicer
- The Hillborne feels more intuitively responsive

I had a Cross Check with mustache bars for a couple of years as my “discount 
Riv wannabe” and was never thrilled with the ride.  It always felt a little 
dead to me.  I also spent a lot of money trying to make it more Riv-like 
including buying a new fork to get the bars up higher.  That made it look 
ridiculous but was more comfortable.  When I finally bought my Hillborne, I 
regretted the time and money I wasted on the Surly.  I learned a lot about 
modifying a bike, but that was an expensive lesson.  The Hillborne’s ride was 
SO MUCH nicer.  It is much more stable and responsive (without being at all 
twitchy).  It is the most comfortable bike I’ve ever owned.  It could handle a 
slightly wider tire (45s on the Sam, 42s on the CC) .  And, as an added bonus, 
no more toe-verlap.  I had a lot of problems with that on the Cross Check.

Wish I’d just bought the Hillborne first for many more years of more enjoyable 
riding.

John
Niles, CA

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