[RBW] Re: What's Good - Wide-ish/flared drops edition...

[Philip Williamson]

I only ride flared drops. The flare in flared drops are mostly for wrist 
clearance out of the saddle or in technical body-English situations. I feel 
the width changes from the hoods to the hooks to the ends are also 
beneficial for different modes during a ride: aero cruising, control on 
technical trails or descents, and leverage for honking up a loose hill. 

I’ve settled on Nitto RM-3s from Blue Lug or Somafab. It’s my favorite. The 
25.4 is often out of stock, but is my favorite bar. I have them on three 
bikes; my Fitz Supermoto, Quickbeam fixed gear, and Bontrager road bike. 
The angled hoods are very comfortable to me, and the drops give great 
control. I set flared bars up high, so the hooks are the main position, but 
I use the hoods and tops, too.

The On-One Midge bar is similar to the RM-3; I like it almost as much.
The RM-013 someone else mentioned is also a good bar. Deeper, more reach, 
and less flare. 
On the other end of the spectrum is the Woodchipper, which is short, 
shallow, and flared. The hooks aren’t angled much, but the tops are wide. 

You can see the RM-3s on my Quickbeam here on 
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/p/ClKbS02PGoN/?igshid=MWI4MTIyMDE=

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:36:15 AM UTC-8 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey everyone!
> I posted earlier about reach in converting to a wider bar and decided to 
> start a different conversation to get opinions on wide-ish, flared drops.
>
> I like the Nitto Noodle quite well, but I think I do want a little flare 
> and I don't want to bend them myself. So what's good out there? I'm tempted 
> by the Crust Towel Rack, but I'd love to hear what you all like.
>
> If it helps/matters, the kind of riding I do with the bike it's going is 
> casual rails-to-trails, some rolling gravel roads, but nothing too 
> technical or serious.
>
> Thanks!
> Ben
>

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[RBW] Craigslist - New Rivendell 60cm Platypus Frameset - $1,637 (Eugene)

[Kim Hetzel]

I thought to share a finding on Craigslist out of Eugene, Oregon:

https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/7564024599.html

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA 

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[RBW] FS: White T11/DT R460 wheels, gamma pedals, So bars, Paul Canti brakes, etc.

[Trevor Oleniuk]

I am looking to clear out some bike parts, which won't work on my current 
lot of bikes. All prices in *Canadian dollars*, do not include shipping or 
paypal fees. 


   - White Industries T11 hubs, laced to DT Swiss R460 rims (rim brake, 
   100/130 spacing); front wheel is BRAND NEW, rear hub is in excellent 
   condition and rim is in good condition with one minor dent - $600
   - Pair of Paul Canti brakes, blue (comes with cross over cables, 1 
   hunter nug, good condition) - $200
   - Paul rack mounts (work with the brakes), brand new - $50
   - Paul Funky Monkey, silver - $60
   - MKS Gamma pedals, black - $80
   - Velo Orange Randonneur rack, canti mount version, excellent condition 
   - $100
   - Simworks SO bars, with 80mm 26.0 stem - $100
   - Supernova E3 Pro HBM light - $150

I am happy to look up shipping quotes from Saskatchewan, Canada. Please 
message me for photos or more information. Will consider offers, especially 
if you're buying multiple items. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Pedals, MKS XC Bear Trap III vs. MKS Bubble Pedals

['Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

 Max:
I would bet the pedals will break-in and spin easier with use. I would expect a 
cartridge bearing system to be as smooth as they get right from the box, but I 
would not expect the same of a free bearing system like the pedals you feel are 
snug out of the box.
As referenced below, I have a number of new 90s XTR shimano hubs (free bearing 
style, not cartridge) that have some resistance when I spin axle by hand, but 
once they are built up with rims and run for a bit they become buttery smooth 
and spin with far less resistance than when new.
I doubt they are overtightened from factory, probably just right. It's unlikely 
they lack grease straight from factory and that you'll be able to improve 
tightness. In some rare cases overtightened/undergreased, maybe, but very 
unlikely. The factory isn't like us trying to set "tightness."

Just my 2 pennies.
Scott

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 08:26:48 AM MST, maxcr 
 wrote:  
 
 Thank you everyone for your replies, here's my takeaway after reading your 
comments and taking apart the bear traps to make sure they were properly 
greased and tightened (full disclosure this is the first pedal I take apart):
I found this video from Ron: https://youtu.be/sjGrbm2XxhM - take a look at 
minute 5:10 - mine definitely don't spin like that, but I'm not sure why, maybe 
they'll get smoother with use, since these are brand new out of the box.

It does seem like Simworks Bubbly & sealed cartridge will feel way smoother 
than Bear Traps period, but that might not translate to any improved feeling 
when pedaling. Also, the consensus is that Bear Traps are ok/good pedals.
Thanks again, I'll install them and see how they feel.
Max
On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:29:22 AM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

The bear trap will get smoother over time but never match the Bubbly, the 
Bubbly is the smoothest pedal I’ve ever seen. I prefer the larger platform of 
the Bubbly (they are on my commuter) but haven’t bought a set to replace my 
bear trap pedals on my Susie. Nothing wrong with the bear traps at all. 

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 1:49:46 AM UTC-8 Garth wrote:

Max,  your description sounds like they may be adjusted too tight, and/or 
you're simply noticing a difference between the open and cartridge bearings. 
Most pedals that I've owned didn't come with much grease either. More 
grease until it oozes out the sides !  Then make sure the bearing isn't 
loaded too much. Pedals from the factory are no guarantee of proper adjustment, 
not unlike Shimano hubs. 
As for the ability to spin, as long as it spins freely, it'll spin freely. 
Don't bother comparing the "feel" to cartridge bearing hubs because they're not 
cartridge bearings in the hubs. Neither bearing type means one will spin better 
or worse than the other.On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 1:50:12 AM UTC-5 Luke 
Hendrickson wrote:

I have the OG Suntours and they spin for days. Get a rebuilt pair plus add some 
vintage charm!

On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:22:36 PM UTC-8 Jared Wilson wrote:

Hey Max,
Can't speak to the "why" aspect, but you're not crazy in your observation.
We have (3) pairs of the BL BT III and (1) pair of the Bubbly pedals and 
they're not in the same category. Not to say there's anything wrong with the 
Bear Traps, but the Bubbly pedals are on an entirely different level.
That said, either option good and you shouldn't regret your decision, you did 
what works for the time being and maybe later on down the road you get to try 
the alternative, but I wouldn't dwell on it all that much.
Jared in SLO
On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:05:10 PM UTC-8 maxcr wrote:

Hi Everyone,
I decided to get new pedals for the bike I'm building. First I went to my LBS 
(Cambridge Bicycles) and they suggested the Simworks Bubbly pedals - I really 
liked the spin on them and the looks, but unfortunately they only had the 
olives in stock. They sent me to the Simworks website, but the polished were 
sold out. (Their next order was going to be in about a month at best)
Reading through the forum I saw good comments on the Blue Lug Bear Trap III and 
ordered them in silver. 
They arrived today and I'm surprised because they feel much less smooth than 
the bubbly ones. To be fair they are much less expensive $62 vs $100 but still, 
is this normal?
Is it the lack of sealed bearings that affects rotational performance?
Will I feel a real difference if I go with one over the other?
Thanks for your opinions and knowledge.
Max in Boston






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Re: [RBW] Gus & Susie frames available at Crust

[Joe Bernard]

I see some Susies left, that site is hard to use, you gotta plink around in 
all the boxes for a while. 

I rally want that Small Mermaid Gus but rally can't justify the 
dollars right now. Ack! 

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 4:46:15 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Wait.., what? How? Susie’s are gone.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 9, 2022, at 6:27 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>
> If anyone missed out Crust just stocked Gus & Susie frames. They got just 
> one frame in each size/color combo. 
>
> https://crustbikes.com/products/rivendell-gus-boots-susie-longbolts
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Roaduno Dropouts

[Doug H.]

I agree Bill. Grant is designing a single speed frame with some added 
features for adaptation by the owner. You could readily convert your 
current Rivendell with 135mm spacing to single speed and that has been done 
and shared here. I am eagerly anticipating the release of the Roaduno and 
have been slowly acquiring parts.
Doug

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:28:13 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I (for one) will expect 120mm O.L.D. The one and only reason to move to 
> 135mm is so folks can use the wheels they have laying around for free. 
>
> 120mm is the right O.L.D. for an actual single speed-OR-a modest 
> multispeed. 
>
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2022 at 11:42 AM Shoji Takahashi  
> wrote:
>
>> Hi JL:
>> Hooded dropouts like these are sometimes referred to as Breezer-style, as 
>> Joe Breeze used them in his MTB. (IIRC, they predate Breeze, though.)
>>
>> Hooded style has advantages for builders and Riv: this one can be used at 
>> many different angles. Vertical dropouts, like on my Toyo AHH, have a fixed 
>> angle. As the frame size changes, the chain-stay to seat-stay angle needs 
>> to change (or the frame designer will have to compromise by changing stay 
>> lengths).
>>
>> Hooded style also can be welded (and brazed, I assume), which might offer 
>> flexibility in manufacture. Might permit a cheaper frame-construction 
>> option? The width probably offers a stiffness advantage, but I don't know 
>> how significant or important that might be.
>>
>> shoji
>> arlington ma
>>
>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 11:20:39 AM UTC-5 J L wrote:
>>
>>> Can someone tell me the purpose of the hoods on dropouts like these? 
>>> They are referred to as Breezer style, right? 
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Re: [RBW] Re: What's Good - Wide-ish/flared drops edition...

['Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

 I'm for extra width...
But I don't like the idea of flare occurring from tops to bottoms because it 
puts the hoods/lever tips pointing outward. I don't totally get the true 
functional value of flaring other than bottoms are wider than tops? Is that 
helpful from a functional perspective?
Help me out here?

Scott

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 01:25:10 PM MST, Rusty Click 
 wrote:  
 
 Plus one for the Spank Flare.

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:36:15 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

Hey everyone!I posted earlier about reach in converting to a wider bar and 
decided to start a different conversation to get opinions on wide-ish, flared 
drops.
I like the Nitto Noodle quite well, but I think I do want a little flare and I 
don't want to bend them myself. So what's good out there? I'm tempted by the 
Crust Towel Rack, but I'd love to hear what you all like.
If it helps/matters, the kind of riding I do with the bike it's going is casual 
rails-to-trails, some rolling gravel roads, but nothing too technical or 
serious.
Thanks!Ben


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Re: [RBW] Gus & Susie frames available at Crust

[Richard Rose]

Wait.., what? How? Susie’s are gone.Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 9, 2022, at 6:27 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:If anyone missed out Crust just stocked Gus & Susie frames. They got just one frame in each size/color combo. https://crustbikes.com/products/rivendell-gus-boots-susie-longbolts



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Re: [RBW] Gus & Susie frames available at Crust

['Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

 The Gus XL orange has sold...TO ME!
Thanks for posting, Eric! What a lead on a Friday afternoon. Christmas came a 
few weeks early
Scott with smile

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 04:27:11 PM MST, Eric Marth 
 wrote:  
 
 If anyone missed out Crust just stocked Gus & Susie frames. They got just one 
frame in each size/color combo. 
https://crustbikes.com/products/rivendell-gus-boots-susie-longbolts


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[RBW] Re: FS: Brooks B67

[Kim Hetzel]

Good observation Laing. Thank-you.
I, personally, have not owned a Brooks saddle with laces, yet. Just the 
Brooks B-17 and Brooks B67S. 

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA. 

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 3:40:52 PM UTC-8 lconley wrote:

> That is a B67 Softened that is missing its laces. The holes allow you to 
> put laces through them, to reshape the saddle. I have several B68 versions 
> - my favorite saddle. You can color coordinate the laces if you want.
>
> [image: B67side.JPG]
> [image: B67.JPG]
>
> A saddle worth saving.
>
> Laing
>
> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 4:12:17 PM UTC-5 a spen wrote:
>
>> I thought I'd try out a B67 but found it just doesn't quite agree with my 
>> anatomy.  I purchased this from another member on the forum, and can't 
>> improve on his pics, so I'll attach the link below to his original post 
>> with pics.
>>  
>> $90 includes shipping CONUS
>>
>>
>> Please message me if you have any questions, etc.
>> Thanks,
>> Al in Va
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/g1Wqp-Kq-aw/m/U7gj9aEFBAAJ
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Re: [RBW] If you convince Rivendell to bring back "one" former model

[Joe Bernard]

Hunqapillar was the cheaper Bombadil after that MUSA frame got crazy 
pricey, they were both stouter/more geared to rough-trail riding than 
Atlantis and Appaloosa.* The updated models would be Gus and Susie, plus 
the now retired Clem H. 

*Of course it can be argued that the Atlantis/Appaloosa touring bikes are 
sufficiently stout as trail bikes. 

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 3:32:14 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> I've noticed a fair bit of interest in Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames 
> over the last few years. The frames certainly seem to sell on the used 
> market for quite a lot, compared to other Rivendell frames. 
>
> Can someone give me a quick run-down of these bikes and what their 
> intended purposes were? How do they differ from the more robust Riv 
> mainstays like the Atlantis & Appaloosa? 
>
> Cheers my dears
>
> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 4:36:29 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Indeed, I suspect I may have one of the last customs Rivendell assigned 
>> to Mark Nobilette. They're not taking orders currently and I'm not sure 
>> Grant sees any point in getting back into that game, he has enough on his 
>> plate just getting production models out there to everybody who wants one. 
>>
>> My answer for a revived frame is uh I don't have one. Said custom has 
>> all the current Riv philosophies built into it - long front center, high 
>> headtube, low step-over, long stays - and I don't have a particular 
>> affinity for the older styles. If I was looking for a production Riv now 
>> I'd want what they sell now, they work! 
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>>
>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 8:33:16 AM UTC-8 jasonz...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Another vote for the Bombadil.  Just to add content around a one off 
>>> production from Riv, I spoke to the good folks at Rivendell a bit this year 
>>> and they are not doing any customs or special orders currently, I wanted a 
>>> 56cm Bombadil, they said maybe next year (like fall 2023) if at all. 
>>>  Perhaps others have a better tie in there, but for me, I'm stuck waiting 
>>> and watching for someone to grace me with my favorite bike and LOTR name of 
>>> all time.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 8:59:37 AM UTC-6 Joel S wrote:
>>>

 Saluki as it started the 650b Rivendell excursion.  Also the Yves Gomez 
 as I never had a chance to get one.  The AR should get honorable mention.  
 On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 3:46:58 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> The only one that fit me was the Bombadil, so the Bomba it would be. 
> The parallel TT ones, but frankly it doesn't need it. It does make for a 
> lift though, and being a straight gauge tube I can clamp it there to my 
> Feedback workstand. I wouldn't pay more than $1700 for it though, not the 
> over inflated 3k it ended up being when it went full diagonal extra 
> tubes. 
> All those extra tubes were unnecessary in real world riding though. 
>
> This said, I'm pretty sure anyone can contact Grant about having a 
> previous model made custom for not quite custom fee. It's not as if the 
> blueprints, the form, vanishes. So there really is no need to bring back 
> models as those models haven't gone anywhere. Consider them "off the 
> menu" 
> , formerly "on the menu" models.  
> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:59:08 PM UTC-5 Bill Fulford wrote:
>
>> Bombadil, no question.
>>
>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:33:51 PM UTC-5 four...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> hands down, a Legolas.. ideally a Taiwan-made frame to save a little 
>>> coin..
>>>
>>> I just picked up a new-to-me Rambouillet, so I'm covered there for 
>>> now.. :) 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:12:54 PM UTC-8 jackd...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 My Hunqapillar is the favorite in the stable, but I think a case 
 can really be made to bring back the Bleriot. Classic geometry, MIT (I 
 believe) to keep the price reasonable, and I'd argue that the decal 
  is the 
 best Riv has done. 

 On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 2:55:32 PM UTC-8 Drew Henson wrote:

> legolas OR a more classically styled country bike with close to 
> level top tube and shorter chain stays
>
> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 2:16:03 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:
>
>> I vote long stay version of Glorious and Hunqapillar in CLEAR 
>> COAT...
>>
>> I hope Grant is listening
>>
>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 03:11:33 PM MST, Mackenzy 
>> Albright  wrote: 
>>
>>
>> All these threads about "choosing the one Riv" or "how do I pick 
>> which model" got me thinking. If you could convince Rivendell to 
>> resurrect 
>> one out of production 

Re: [RBW] If you convince Rivendell to bring back "one" former model

[Eric Marth]

I've noticed a fair bit of interest in Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames over 
the last few years. The frames certainly seem to sell on the used market 
for quite a lot, compared to other Rivendell frames. 

Can someone give me a quick run-down of these bikes and what their intended 
purposes were? How do they differ from the more robust Riv mainstays like 
the Atlantis & Appaloosa? 

Cheers my dears

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 4:36:29 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Indeed, I suspect I may have one of the last customs Rivendell assigned to 
> Mark Nobilette. They're not taking orders currently and I'm not sure Grant 
> sees any point in getting back into that game, he has enough on his plate 
> just getting production models out there to everybody who wants one. 
>
> My answer for a revived frame is uh I don't have one. Said custom has 
> all the current Riv philosophies built into it - long front center, high 
> headtube, low step-over, long stays - and I don't have a particular 
> affinity for the older styles. If I was looking for a production Riv now 
> I'd want what they sell now, they work! 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 8:33:16 AM UTC-8 jasonz...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Another vote for the Bombadil.  Just to add content around a one off 
>> production from Riv, I spoke to the good folks at Rivendell a bit this year 
>> and they are not doing any customs or special orders currently, I wanted a 
>> 56cm Bombadil, they said maybe next year (like fall 2023) if at all. 
>>  Perhaps others have a better tie in there, but for me, I'm stuck waiting 
>> and watching for someone to grace me with my favorite bike and LOTR name of 
>> all time.
>>
>>
>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 8:59:37 AM UTC-6 Joel S wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Saluki as it started the 650b Rivendell excursion.  Also the Yves Gomez 
>>> as I never had a chance to get one.  The AR should get honorable mention.  
>>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 3:46:58 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>>
 The only one that fit me was the Bombadil, so the Bomba it would be. 
 The parallel TT ones, but frankly it doesn't need it. It does make for a 
 lift though, and being a straight gauge tube I can clamp it there to my 
 Feedback workstand. I wouldn't pay more than $1700 for it though, not the 
 over inflated 3k it ended up being when it went full diagonal extra tubes. 
 All those extra tubes were unnecessary in real world riding though. 

 This said, I'm pretty sure anyone can contact Grant about having a 
 previous model made custom for not quite custom fee. It's not as if the 
 blueprints, the form, vanishes. So there really is no need to bring back 
 models as those models haven't gone anywhere. Consider them "off the menu" 
 , formerly "on the menu" models.  
 On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:59:08 PM UTC-5 Bill Fulford wrote:

> Bombadil, no question.
>
> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:33:51 PM UTC-5 four...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> hands down, a Legolas.. ideally a Taiwan-made frame to save a little 
>> coin..
>>
>> I just picked up a new-to-me Rambouillet, so I'm covered there for 
>> now.. :) 
>>
>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:12:54 PM UTC-8 jackd...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> My Hunqapillar is the favorite in the stable, but I think a case can 
>>> really be made to bring back the Bleriot. Classic geometry, MIT (I 
>>> believe) 
>>> to keep the price reasonable, and I'd argue that the decal 
>>>  is the best 
>>> Riv has done. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 2:55:32 PM UTC-8 Drew Henson wrote:
>>>
 legolas OR a more classically styled country bike with close to 
 level top tube and shorter chain stays

 On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 2:16:03 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:

> I vote long stay version of Glorious and Hunqapillar in CLEAR 
> COAT...
>
> I hope Grant is listening
>
> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 03:11:33 PM MST, Mackenzy 
> Albright  wrote: 
>
>
> All these threads about "choosing the one Riv" or "how do I pick 
> which model" got me thinking. If you could convince Rivendell to 
> resurrect 
> one out of production modelwhich would you choose? 
>
> After acquiring a Clementine after a new Clem Smith Jr, I see 
> merit of the geometry of the Clementine as a standalone step through 
> that 
> feels like a long wheelbase agile bike rather than a floaty 
> surfboard. I 
> absolutely adore both-but they're extraordinarily different, despite 
> being 
> a natural and logical evolution. I really enjoyed the reference of 
> the 
> thread "a tale of two clems" by Ding Ding! as 

Re: [RBW] Gus & Susie frames available at Crust

['Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

 Missed out from when? Last batch was when, last year? Was there a recent dump 
from Riv? Tell me I didn't miss a recent sale from Riv?

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 04:27:11 PM MST, Eric Marth 
 wrote:  
 
 If anyone missed out Crust just stocked Gus & Susie frames. They got just one 
frame in each size/color combo. 
https://crustbikes.com/products/rivendell-gus-boots-susie-longbolts


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Re: [RBW] Re: New Roaduno Dropouts

[William Lindsay]

I (for one) will expect 120mm O.L.D. The one and only reason to move to
135mm is so folks can use the wheels they have laying around for free.

120mm is the right O.L.D. for an actual single speed-OR-a modest
multispeed.

On Fri, Dec 9, 2022 at 11:42 AM Shoji Takahashi 
wrote:

> Hi JL:
> Hooded dropouts like these are sometimes referred to as Breezer-style, as
> Joe Breeze used them in his MTB. (IIRC, they predate Breeze, though.)
>
> Hooded style has advantages for builders and Riv: this one can be used at
> many different angles. Vertical dropouts, like on my Toyo AHH, have a fixed
> angle. As the frame size changes, the chain-stay to seat-stay angle needs
> to change (or the frame designer will have to compromise by changing stay
> lengths).
>
> Hooded style also can be welded (and brazed, I assume), which might offer
> flexibility in manufacture. Might permit a cheaper frame-construction
> option? The width probably offers a stiffness advantage, but I don't know
> how significant or important that might be.
>
> shoji
> arlington ma
>
> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 11:20:39 AM UTC-5 J L wrote:
>
>> Can someone tell me the purpose of the hoods on dropouts like these? They
>> are referred to as Breezer style, right?
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[RBW] Gus & Susie frames available at Crust

[Eric Marth]

If anyone missed out Crust just stocked Gus & Susie frames. They got just 
one frame in each size/color combo. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Brooks B67

[Kim Hetzel]

Thank-you, Joe. Yes, indeed Al's saddle needs a lot of adjustment to pull 
the leather tighter and raise out the seat bone impressions perhaps along 
with some Obenauf's HP leather conditioner. 

Leather saddles need attention and awareness of how and when to treat or 
tighten the tension bolt in the life of the saddles.   I own a B67S saddle. 
I have owned it for a very long time. 

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA. 



On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 3:09:26 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> It's not defective, I see plenty of adjustment left to pull the leather 
> tighter and raise the sitbones area a bit. I have a Brooks B17 ti which I 
> purchased used with noticeable break-in and it's crazy comfortable, this 
> B67 may be quite nice for someone who's into them and is willing to fiddle 
> with it. 
>
> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 2:48:00 PM UTC-8 a spen wrote:
>
>> Thanks Kim, I appreciate the information, though I will have to admit 
>> that I would be even more appreciative had I received this info via a 
>> message, as requested, whereupon I would have deleted my post and offered 
>> it free of charge.
>> I am rather unfamiliar with this type of saddle, and it is to my chagrine 
>> that I would buy, and then resell defective/worn merchandise from/to the 
>> terrific folks on this forum.
>>
>>
>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 4:18:11 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I can see why Al.  The seat bone indentations are quite extensive. A sad 
>>> saddle. 
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel
>>> Yelm, WA. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 1:12:17 PM UTC-8 a spen wrote:
>>>
 I thought I'd try out a B67 but found it just doesn't quite agree with 
 my anatomy.  I purchased this from another member on the forum, and can't 
 improve on his pics, so I'll attach the link below to his original post 
 with pics.
  
 $90 includes shipping CONUS


 Please message me if you have any questions, etc.
 Thanks,
 Al in Va


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[RBW] Re: What's Good - Wide-ish/flared drops edition...

[Conway Bennett]

Here's a pre-dug rabbit hole: https://bikepacking.com/index/gravel-bars/

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 5:07:48 PM UTC-6 Conway Bennett wrote:

> I'd look at Curve WALMER Bar 
> , Redshift Kitchen 
> Sink , or Ride 
> Farr Supa-Wide 
> .
>
> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 2:25:04 PM UTC-6 Rusty Click wrote:
>
>> Plus one for the Spank Flare.
>>
>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:36:15 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hey everyone!
>>> I posted earlier about reach in converting to a wider bar and decided to 
>>> start a different conversation to get opinions on wide-ish, flared drops.
>>>
>>> I like the Nitto Noodle quite well, but I think I do want a little flare 
>>> and I don't want to bend them myself. So what's good out there? I'm tempted 
>>> by the Crust Towel Rack, but I'd love to hear what you all like.
>>>
>>> If it helps/matters, the kind of riding I do with the bike it's going is 
>>> casual rails-to-trails, some rolling gravel roads, but nothing too 
>>> technical or serious.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Ben
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Brooks B67

[Joe Bernard]

It's not defective, I see plenty of adjustment left to pull the leather 
tighter and raise the sitbones area a bit. I have a Brooks B17 ti which I 
purchased used with noticeable break-in and it's crazy comfortable, this 
B67 may be quite nice for someone who's into them and is willing to fiddle 
with it. 

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 2:48:00 PM UTC-8 a spen wrote:

> Thanks Kim, I appreciate the information, though I will have to admit that 
> I would be even more appreciative had I received this info via a message, 
> as requested, whereupon I would have deleted my post and offered it free of 
> charge.
> I am rather unfamiliar with this type of saddle, and it is to my chagrine 
> that I would buy, and then resell defective/worn merchandise from/to the 
> terrific folks on this forum.
>
>
> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 4:18:11 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I can see why Al.  The seat bone indentations are quite extensive. A sad 
>> saddle. 
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA. 
>>
>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 1:12:17 PM UTC-8 a spen wrote:
>>
>>> I thought I'd try out a B67 but found it just doesn't quite agree with 
>>> my anatomy.  I purchased this from another member on the forum, and can't 
>>> improve on his pics, so I'll attach the link below to his original post 
>>> with pics.
>>>  
>>> $90 includes shipping CONUS
>>>
>>>
>>> Please message me if you have any questions, etc.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Al in Va
>>>
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/g1Wqp-Kq-aw/m/U7gj9aEFBAAJ
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: What's Good - Wide-ish/flared drops edition...

[Conway Bennett]

I'd look at Curve WALMER Bar 
, Redshift Kitchen 
Sink , or Ride 
Farr Supa-Wide 
.

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 2:25:04 PM UTC-6 Rusty Click wrote:

> Plus one for the Spank Flare.
>
> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:36:15 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hey everyone!
>> I posted earlier about reach in converting to a wider bar and decided to 
>> start a different conversation to get opinions on wide-ish, flared drops.
>>
>> I like the Nitto Noodle quite well, but I think I do want a little flare 
>> and I don't want to bend them myself. So what's good out there? I'm tempted 
>> by the Crust Towel Rack, but I'd love to hear what you all like.
>>
>> If it helps/matters, the kind of riding I do with the bike it's going is 
>> casual rails-to-trails, some rolling gravel roads, but nothing too 
>> technical or serious.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Ben
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Brooks B67

[a spen]

Thanks Kim, I appreciate the information, though I will have to admit that 
I would be even more appreciative had I received this info via a message, 
as requested, whereupon I would have deleted my post and offered it free of 
charge.
I am rather unfamiliar with this type of saddle, and it is to my chagrine 
that I would buy, and then resell defective/worn merchandise from/to the 
terrific folks on this forum.


On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 4:18:11 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> I can see why Al.  The seat bone indentations are quite extensive. A sad 
> saddle. 
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA. 
>
> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 1:12:17 PM UTC-8 a spen wrote:
>
>> I thought I'd try out a B67 but found it just doesn't quite agree with my 
>> anatomy.  I purchased this from another member on the forum, and can't 
>> improve on his pics, so I'll attach the link below to his original post 
>> with pics.
>>  
>> $90 includes shipping CONUS
>>
>>
>> Please message me if you have any questions, etc.
>> Thanks,
>> Al in Va
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/g1Wqp-Kq-aw/m/U7gj9aEFBAAJ
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] If you convince Rivendell to bring back "one" former model

[Joe Bernard]

Indeed, I suspect I may have one of the last customs Rivendell assigned to 
Mark Nobilette. They're not taking orders currently and I'm not sure Grant 
sees any point in getting back into that game, he has enough on his plate 
just getting production models out there to everybody who wants one. 

My answer for a revived frame is uh I don't have one. Said custom has 
all the current Riv philosophies built into it - long front center, high 
headtube, low step-over, long stays - and I don't have a particular 
affinity for the older styles. If I was looking for a production Riv now 
I'd want what they sell now, they work! 

Joe Bernard 

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 8:33:16 AM UTC-8 jasonz...@gmail.com wrote:

> Another vote for the Bombadil.  Just to add content around a one off 
> production from Riv, I spoke to the good folks at Rivendell a bit this year 
> and they are not doing any customs or special orders currently, I wanted a 
> 56cm Bombadil, they said maybe next year (like fall 2023) if at all. 
>  Perhaps others have a better tie in there, but for me, I'm stuck waiting 
> and watching for someone to grace me with my favorite bike and LOTR name of 
> all time.
>
>
> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 8:59:37 AM UTC-6 Joel S wrote:
>
>>
>> Saluki as it started the 650b Rivendell excursion.  Also the Yves Gomez 
>> as I never had a chance to get one.  The AR should get honorable mention.  
>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 3:46:58 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> The only one that fit me was the Bombadil, so the Bomba it would be. The 
>>> parallel TT ones, but frankly it doesn't need it. It does make for a lift 
>>> though, and being a straight gauge tube I can clamp it there to my Feedback 
>>> workstand. I wouldn't pay more than $1700 for it though, not the over 
>>> inflated 3k it ended up being when it went full diagonal extra tubes. All 
>>> those extra tubes were unnecessary in real world riding though. 
>>>
>>> This said, I'm pretty sure anyone can contact Grant about having a 
>>> previous model made custom for not quite custom fee. It's not as if the 
>>> blueprints, the form, vanishes. So there really is no need to bring back 
>>> models as those models haven't gone anywhere. Consider them "off the menu" 
>>> , formerly "on the menu" models.  
>>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:59:08 PM UTC-5 Bill Fulford wrote:
>>>
 Bombadil, no question.

 On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:33:51 PM UTC-5 four...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> hands down, a Legolas.. ideally a Taiwan-made frame to save a little 
> coin..
>
> I just picked up a new-to-me Rambouillet, so I'm covered there for 
> now.. :) 
>
> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:12:54 PM UTC-8 jackd...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> My Hunqapillar is the favorite in the stable, but I think a case can 
>> really be made to bring back the Bleriot. Classic geometry, MIT (I 
>> believe) 
>> to keep the price reasonable, and I'd argue that the decal 
>>  is the best 
>> Riv has done. 
>>
>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 2:55:32 PM UTC-8 Drew Henson wrote:
>>
>>> legolas OR a more classically styled country bike with close to 
>>> level top tube and shorter chain stays
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 2:16:03 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:
>>>
 I vote long stay version of Glorious and Hunqapillar in CLEAR 
 COAT...

 I hope Grant is listening

 On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 03:11:33 PM MST, Mackenzy Albright 
  wrote: 


 All these threads about "choosing the one Riv" or "how do I pick 
 which model" got me thinking. If you could convince Rivendell to 
 resurrect 
 one out of production modelwhich would you choose? 

 After acquiring a Clementine after a new Clem Smith Jr, I see merit 
 of the geometry of the Clementine as a standalone step through that 
 feels 
 like a long wheelbase agile bike rather than a floaty surfboard. I 
 absolutely adore both-but they're extraordinarily different, despite 
 being 
 a natural and logical evolution. I really enjoyed the reference of the 
 thread "a tale of two clems" by Ding Ding! as I found similarities in 
 my 
 experience. 

 The evolution of Rivendell's is absolutely fascinating to me as 
 there has never been a hang up for changing tried and true models. 
 XO-1 - 
 ALL Rounder - TOYO Atlantis - MUSA Atlantis - MIT Atlantis. People are 
 still obsessive with each rendition of a concept over its evolution. 


 SOoo long story short. I would choose the Hunqapillar. Hands down. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Brooks B67

[Kim Hetzel]

I can see why Al.  The seat bone indentations are quite extensive. A sad 
saddle. 

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA. 

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 1:12:17 PM UTC-8 a spen wrote:

> I thought I'd try out a B67 but found it just doesn't quite agree with my 
> anatomy.  I purchased this from another member on the forum, and can't 
> improve on his pics, so I'll attach the link below to his original post 
> with pics.
>  
> $90 includes shipping CONUS
>
>
> Please message me if you have any questions, etc.
> Thanks,
> Al in Va
>
> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/g1Wqp-Kq-aw/m/U7gj9aEFBAAJ
>

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[RBW] FS: Brooks B67

[a spen]

I thought I'd try out a B67 but found it just doesn't quite agree with my 
anatomy.  I purchased this from another member on the forum, and can't 
improve on his pics, so I'll attach the link below to his original post 
with pics.
 
$90 includes shipping CONUS


Please message me if you have any questions, etc.
Thanks,
Al in Va

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[RBW] Re: What's Good - Wide-ish/flared drops edition...

[Rusty Click]

Plus one for the Spank Flare.

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:36:15 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey everyone!
> I posted earlier about reach in converting to a wider bar and decided to 
> start a different conversation to get opinions on wide-ish, flared drops.
>
> I like the Nitto Noodle quite well, but I think I do want a little flare 
> and I don't want to bend them myself. So what's good out there? I'm tempted 
> by the Crust Towel Rack, but I'd love to hear what you all like.
>
> If it helps/matters, the kind of riding I do with the bike it's going is 
> casual rails-to-trails, some rolling gravel roads, but nothing too 
> technical or serious.
>
> Thanks!
> Ben
>

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Re: [RBW] If you convince Rivendell to bring back "one" former model

[Nick Payne]

On Friday, 9 December 2022 at 10:12:54 am UTC+11 jackd...@gmail.com wrote:

> My Hunqapillar is the favorite in the stable, but I think a case can 
> really be made to bring back the Bleriot. Classic geometry, MIT (I believe) 
> to keep the price reasonable, and I'd argue that the decal 
>  is the best Riv 
> has done. 
>

Ditto on the Bleriot. Mine is the favourite of the Rivendell's I have. The 
frames were built by Maxway, I believe. I notice when browsing their 
website that they now offer stainless steel touring frames, in both disc 
and cantilever brake versions:
https://www.maxway-cycles.com/Y15T01-700C-Touring-Frame.html
https://www.maxway-cycles.com/Y13R02-StainlessSteel-Touring-Frame.html

Nick

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Re: [RBW] What's Good - Wide-ish/flared drops edition...

[Ben Mihovk]

I guess I should add that I'm not really willing to go 31.8 clamp 
diameter...I'm looking only for 26mm.

Ben

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 12:59:25 PM UTC-6 wboe...@gmail.com wrote:

> I quite like Ritchey's Venturemax, and also have a set of Salsa 
> Cowchippers.  Both are 12ish degrees of flare, which seems just right for 
> me.  Ergo bend bars are divisive, though.
>
>
>
> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 1:16:30 PM UTC-5 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>
>> I was certain I at least captured something since swapping to the RM013 
>> in 52cm but I’ve apparently failed at documenting anything on this one 
>> since this prior Salsa Cowbell build from June’21. 
>>
>> This would eventually wear the aforementioned Nitto bars with shim, 
>> Sugino GLP double cranks bought from Bill L., turned into a single 42t, 
>> Nitto 32f mini front rack with partial DIY light mount bracket from a cut & 
>> filed 52t chainring drilled and adapted for a Paul Gino light mount to get 
>> a battery light bar bracket out in front and above the tire.  Plus a Tubus 
>> Tara option for front low riders if another build meant for more errand 
>> running went down.  Actually, come to think of it, I never tested whether 
>> the Tara hoop would’ve interfered with the new light placement (or vice 
>> versa.)  It probably would have…
>>
>>
>> On Friday, December 9, 2022, Coal Bee Rye Anne  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi J,
>>> Adding this link for prosperity...  Primarily compares RM014 to RM013 
>>> but scroll to the bottom for the notable Noodle comparison!  I eventually 
>>> stumbled upon this page some time ago during searches for 52cm RM013 bars 
>>> and trying to verify how they were measured.  I'll see if I could dig up a 
>>> photo of the build though it'll likely differ in some regard from the most 
>>> recent variation as I had swapped bars/levers/cranks/wheel at various 
>>> points but unfortunately think I missed an proper photo documentation of 
>>> where it ended.
>>>
>>> http://biketouringnews.com/components-touring-bicycles/cockpit/touring-bike-handlebars/nitto-dirt-drop-handlebars/
>>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 11:28:23 AM UTC-5 J wrote:
>>>
 Brian-
 That's good insight about the 52 vs 48, the difference being in the 
 width of the flair only, since nowhere else is that useful info available. 
 I've been considering moving from the narrowest Towel Rack V1 to a Noodle 
 bar but have been unsure I could get along with the narrow width. What 
 bike 
 are you using the 52 Noodle on, any photos? 

 On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 10:49:26 AM UTC-5 lwt...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Check out the PNW Coast bar.  A little flair but not too crazy. They 
> make really nice stuff at a reasonable price and great customer service.
>
> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 8:25:06 AM UTC-7 Coal Bee Rye Anne 
> wrote:
>
>> 52cm Nitto RM013 - it's essentially a 48mm Noodle with extra flare 
>> only in the drop itself (so hoods retain a more normal orientation but 
>> that 
>> extra flare when in the drops feels nice if venturing off into slightly 
>> more technical terrain.) 
>> I started with a 48cm RM013 after being confused about the 
>> measurements, which differ from the Noodle, and found the 48cm RM013 it 
>> a 
>> hair too narrow for my liking.  I eventually acquired the desired 52cm 
>> of 
>> the same model through a series of parts swaps and list purchases as 
>> well 
>> as a Salsa Cowbell in the widest 46cm size (which is 46cm center to 
>> center 
>> at the hoods making the drop/bar ends over 50cm.)
>>
>> I really like aspects of both the Cowbell and RM013 for the types of 
>> riding you describe but found I personally seem to prefer longer ramps.  
>> The Cowbell's 68mm reach felt much too short for me, personally, and was 
>> the only reason I moved away from them.  The 90mm reach of the RM013 
>> felt 
>> much better when on the ramps.  I was kind of indifferent to the deeper 
>> drop vs. the Cowbell but do like the unique flare combined with a more 
>> traditional road drop for a mixed surface road-ish bike.  I'd considered 
>> trying Crust's new 31.8 Bonneville bar since I was running a 31.8 thread 
>> less stem with 26.0 shim for the RM013's on my only drop bar bike.  I 
>> thought I'd like to try the longer/flatter 120mm ramp and 15deg flare 
>> compared to the Cowbell 12deg, however, that frame has since been 
>> sidelined 
>> so won't be attempting any other drop swaps anytime soon.
>>
>> I also have one of the original v1 Towel Rack/Leather Bar in the 
>> 66cm/26.0 (only the single option in the v1) but used it only briefly on 
>> a 
>> short brakeless test ride mid-build on another project.  It was 
>> certainly 
>> wde but I have not yet had an opportunity to fully test it yet as 
>> the 
>> full build has not 

Re: [RBW] What's Good - Wide-ish/flared drops edition...

[Will Boericke]

I quite like Ritchey's Venturemax, and also have a set of Salsa 
Cowchippers.  Both are 12ish degrees of flare, which seems just right for 
me.  Ergo bend bars are divisive, though.



On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 1:16:30 PM UTC-5 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:

> I was certain I at least captured something since swapping to the RM013 in 
> 52cm but I’ve apparently failed at documenting anything on this one since 
> this prior Salsa Cowbell build from June’21. 
>
> This would eventually wear the aforementioned Nitto bars with shim, Sugino 
> GLP double cranks bought from Bill L., turned into a single 42t, Nitto 32f 
> mini front rack with partial DIY light mount bracket from a cut & filed 52t 
> chainring drilled and adapted for a Paul Gino light mount to get a battery 
> light bar bracket out in front and above the tire.  Plus a Tubus Tara 
> option for front low riders if another build meant for more errand running 
> went down.  Actually, come to think of it, I never tested whether the Tara 
> hoop would’ve interfered with the new light placement (or vice versa.)  It 
> probably would have…
>
>
> On Friday, December 9, 2022, Coal Bee Rye Anne  
> wrote:
>
>> Hi J,
>> Adding this link for prosperity...  Primarily compares RM014 to RM013 but 
>> scroll to the bottom for the notable Noodle comparison!  I eventually 
>> stumbled upon this page some time ago during searches for 52cm RM013 bars 
>> and trying to verify how they were measured.  I'll see if I could dig up a 
>> photo of the build though it'll likely differ in some regard from the most 
>> recent variation as I had swapped bars/levers/cranks/wheel at various 
>> points but unfortunately think I missed an proper photo documentation of 
>> where it ended.
>>
>> http://biketouringnews.com/components-touring-bicycles/cockpit/touring-bike-handlebars/nitto-dirt-drop-handlebars/
>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 11:28:23 AM UTC-5 J wrote:
>>
>>> Brian-
>>> That's good insight about the 52 vs 48, the difference being in the 
>>> width of the flair only, since nowhere else is that useful info available. 
>>> I've been considering moving from the narrowest Towel Rack V1 to a Noodle 
>>> bar but have been unsure I could get along with the narrow width. What bike 
>>> are you using the 52 Noodle on, any photos? 
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 10:49:26 AM UTC-5 lwt...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Check out the PNW Coast bar.  A little flair but not too crazy. They 
 make really nice stuff at a reasonable price and great customer service.

 On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 8:25:06 AM UTC-7 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:

> 52cm Nitto RM013 - it's essentially a 48mm Noodle with extra flare 
> only in the drop itself (so hoods retain a more normal orientation but 
> that 
> extra flare when in the drops feels nice if venturing off into slightly 
> more technical terrain.) 
> I started with a 48cm RM013 after being confused about the 
> measurements, which differ from the Noodle, and found the 48cm RM013 it a 
> hair too narrow for my liking.  I eventually acquired the desired 52cm of 
> the same model through a series of parts swaps and list purchases as well 
> as a Salsa Cowbell in the widest 46cm size (which is 46cm center to 
> center 
> at the hoods making the drop/bar ends over 50cm.)
>
> I really like aspects of both the Cowbell and RM013 for the types of 
> riding you describe but found I personally seem to prefer longer ramps.  
> The Cowbell's 68mm reach felt much too short for me, personally, and was 
> the only reason I moved away from them.  The 90mm reach of the RM013 felt 
> much better when on the ramps.  I was kind of indifferent to the deeper 
> drop vs. the Cowbell but do like the unique flare combined with a more 
> traditional road drop for a mixed surface road-ish bike.  I'd considered 
> trying Crust's new 31.8 Bonneville bar since I was running a 31.8 thread 
> less stem with 26.0 shim for the RM013's on my only drop bar bike.  I 
> thought I'd like to try the longer/flatter 120mm ramp and 15deg flare 
> compared to the Cowbell 12deg, however, that frame has since been 
> sidelined 
> so won't be attempting any other drop swaps anytime soon.
>
> I also have one of the original v1 Towel Rack/Leather Bar in the 
> 66cm/26.0 (only the single option in the v1) but used it only briefly on 
> a 
> short brakeless test ride mid-build on another project.  It was certainly 
> wde but I have not yet had an opportunity to fully test it yet as the 
> full build has not yet materialized.  Current iterations are also 
> significantly different in spec than the v1 but I do hope to eventually 
> give it a try.
>
>
> https://crustbikes.com/collections/handlebars/products/nitto-rm-dirt-drop
>
> 

[RBW] Re: What's Good - Wide-ish/flared drops edition...

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Hi J,
Adding this link for prosperity...  Primarily compares RM014 to RM013 but 
scroll to the bottom for the notable Noodle comparison!  I eventually 
stumbled upon this page some time ago during searches for 52cm RM013 bars 
and trying to verify how they were measured.  I'll see if I could dig up a 
photo of the build though it'll likely differ in some regard from the most 
recent variation as I had swapped bars/levers/cranks/wheel at various 
points but unfortunately think I missed an proper photo documentation of 
where it ended.
http://biketouringnews.com/components-touring-bicycles/cockpit/touring-bike-handlebars/nitto-dirt-drop-handlebars/
On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 11:28:23 AM UTC-5 J wrote:

> Brian-
> That's good insight about the 52 vs 48, the difference being in the width 
> of the flair only, since nowhere else is that useful info available. I've 
> been considering moving from the narrowest Towel Rack V1 to a Noodle bar 
> but have been unsure I could get along with the narrow width. What bike are 
> you using the 52 Noodle on, any photos? 
>
> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 10:49:26 AM UTC-5 lwt...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Check out the PNW Coast bar.  A little flair but not too crazy. They make 
>> really nice stuff at a reasonable price and great customer service.
>>
>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 8:25:06 AM UTC-7 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>>
>>> 52cm Nitto RM013 - it's essentially a 48mm Noodle with extra flare only 
>>> in the drop itself (so hoods retain a more normal orientation but that 
>>> extra flare when in the drops feels nice if venturing off into slightly 
>>> more technical terrain.) 
>>> I started with a 48cm RM013 after being confused about the measurements, 
>>> which differ from the Noodle, and found the 48cm RM013 it a hair too narrow 
>>> for my liking.  I eventually acquired the desired 52cm of the same model 
>>> through a series of parts swaps and list purchases as well as a Salsa 
>>> Cowbell in the widest 46cm size (which is 46cm center to center at the 
>>> hoods making the drop/bar ends over 50cm.)
>>>
>>> I really like aspects of both the Cowbell and RM013 for the types of 
>>> riding you describe but found I personally seem to prefer longer ramps.  
>>> The Cowbell's 68mm reach felt much too short for me, personally, and was 
>>> the only reason I moved away from them.  The 90mm reach of the RM013 felt 
>>> much better when on the ramps.  I was kind of indifferent to the deeper 
>>> drop vs. the Cowbell but do like the unique flare combined with a more 
>>> traditional road drop for a mixed surface road-ish bike.  I'd considered 
>>> trying Crust's new 31.8 Bonneville bar since I was running a 31.8 thread 
>>> less stem with 26.0 shim for the RM013's on my only drop bar bike.  I 
>>> thought I'd like to try the longer/flatter 120mm ramp and 15deg flare 
>>> compared to the Cowbell 12deg, however, that frame has since been sidelined 
>>> so won't be attempting any other drop swaps anytime soon.
>>>
>>> I also have one of the original v1 Towel Rack/Leather Bar in the 
>>> 66cm/26.0 (only the single option in the v1) but used it only briefly on a 
>>> short brakeless test ride mid-build on another project.  It was certainly 
>>> wde but I have not yet had an opportunity to fully test it yet as the 
>>> full build has not yet materialized.  Current iterations are also 
>>> significantly different in spec than the v1 but I do hope to eventually 
>>> give it a try.
>>>
>>> https://crustbikes.com/collections/handlebars/products/nitto-rm-dirt-drop
>>>
>>> https://crustbikes.com/collections/handlebars/products/nitto-x-crust-bonneville-bar?variant=3234146394
>>>
>>> Brian Cole
>>> Lawrence NJ
>>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:36:15 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hey everyone!
 I posted earlier about reach in converting to a wider bar and decided 
 to start a different conversation to get opinions on wide-ish, flared 
 drops.

 I like the Nitto Noodle quite well, but I think I do want a little 
 flare and I don't want to bend them myself. So what's good out there? I'm 
 tempted by the Crust Towel Rack, but I'd love to hear what you all like.

 If it helps/matters, the kind of riding I do with the bike it's going 
 is casual rails-to-trails, some rolling gravel roads, but nothing too 
 technical or serious.

 Thanks!
 Ben

>>>

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Re: [RBW] If you convince Rivendell to bring back "one" former model

[Edwin W]

Original Atlantis!
Not too long chainstays so it fits places better.
Single top tube.
26" wheels for all (I know that is not original).

Edwin


On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 11:18:09 AM UTC-6 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm guessing they would need to call them something else if they made any 
> more Bombadils or Legolases. I'm still wondering how they are able to get 
> around still using "Sackville" if they've had to cease with the Tolkien 
> monikers.
>
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2022 at 11:33 AM Jason Zakaras  wrote:
>
>> Another vote for the Bombadil.  Just to add content around a one off 
>> production from Riv, I spoke to the good folks at Rivendell a bit this year 
>> and they are not doing any customs or special orders currently, I wanted a 
>> 56cm Bombadil, they said maybe next year (like fall 2023) if at all.  
>> Perhaps others have a better tie in there, but for me, I'm stuck waiting 
>> and watching for someone to grace me with my favorite bike and LOTR name of 
>> all time.
>>
>>
>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 8:59:37 AM UTC-6 Joel S wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Saluki as it started the 650b Rivendell excursion.  Also the Yves Gomez 
>>> as I never had a chance to get one.  The AR should get honorable mention.  
>>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 3:46:58 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>>
 The only one that fit me was the Bombadil, so the Bomba it would be. 
 The parallel TT ones, but frankly it doesn't need it. It does make for a 
 lift though, and being a straight gauge tube I can clamp it there to my 
 Feedback workstand. I wouldn't pay more than $1700 for it though, not the 
 over inflated 3k it ended up being when it went full diagonal extra tubes. 
 All those extra tubes were unnecessary in real world riding though. 

 This said, I'm pretty sure anyone can contact Grant about having a 
 previous model made custom for not quite custom fee. It's not as if the 
 blueprints, the form, vanishes. So there really is no need to bring back 
 models as those models haven't gone anywhere. Consider them "off the menu" 
 , formerly "on the menu" models.  
 On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:59:08 PM UTC-5 Bill Fulford wrote:

> Bombadil, no question.
>
> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:33:51 PM UTC-5 four...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> hands down, a Legolas.. ideally a Taiwan-made frame to save a little 
>> coin..
>>
>> I just picked up a new-to-me Rambouillet, so I'm covered there for 
>> now.. :) 
>>
>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:12:54 PM UTC-8 jackd...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> My Hunqapillar is the favorite in the stable, but I think a case can 
>>> really be made to bring back the Bleriot. Classic geometry, MIT (I 
>>> believe) 
>>> to keep the price reasonable, and I'd argue that the decal 
>>>  is the best 
>>> Riv has done. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 2:55:32 PM UTC-8 Drew Henson wrote:
>>>
 legolas OR a more classically styled country bike with close to 
 level top tube and shorter chain stays

 On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 2:16:03 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:

> I vote long stay version of Glorious and Hunqapillar in CLEAR 
> COAT...
>
> I hope Grant is listening
>
> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 03:11:33 PM MST, Mackenzy 
> Albright  wrote: 
>
>
> All these threads about "choosing the one Riv" or "how do I pick 
> which model" got me thinking. If you could convince Rivendell to 
> resurrect 
> one out of production modelwhich would you choose? 
>
> After acquiring a Clementine after a new Clem Smith Jr, I see 
> merit of the geometry of the Clementine as a standalone step through 
> that 
> feels like a long wheelbase agile bike rather than a floaty 
> surfboard. I 
> absolutely adore both-but they're extraordinarily different, despite 
> being 
> a natural and logical evolution. I really enjoyed the reference of 
> the 
> thread "a tale of two clems" by Ding Ding! as I found similarities in 
> my 
> experience. 
>
> The evolution of Rivendell's is absolutely fascinating to me as 
> there has never been a hang up for changing tried and true models. 
> XO-1 - 
> ALL Rounder - TOYO Atlantis - MUSA Atlantis - MIT Atlantis. People 
> are 
> still obsessive with each rendition of a concept over its evolution. 
>
>
> SOoo long story short. I would choose the Hunqapillar. Hands down. 
>
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Re: [RBW] If you convince Rivendell to bring back "one" former model

[Brian Turner]

I'm guessing they would need to call them something else if they made any
more Bombadils or Legolases. I'm still wondering how they are able to get
around still using "Sackville" if they've had to cease with the Tolkien
monikers.

On Fri, Dec 9, 2022 at 11:33 AM Jason Zakaras 
wrote:

> Another vote for the Bombadil.  Just to add content around a one off
> production from Riv, I spoke to the good folks at Rivendell a bit this year
> and they are not doing any customs or special orders currently, I wanted a
> 56cm Bombadil, they said maybe next year (like fall 2023) if at all.
> Perhaps others have a better tie in there, but for me, I'm stuck waiting
> and watching for someone to grace me with my favorite bike and LOTR name of
> all time.
>
>
> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 8:59:37 AM UTC-6 Joel S wrote:
>
>>
>> Saluki as it started the 650b Rivendell excursion.  Also the Yves Gomez
>> as I never had a chance to get one.  The AR should get honorable mention.
>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 3:46:58 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> The only one that fit me was the Bombadil, so the Bomba it would be. The
>>> parallel TT ones, but frankly it doesn't need it. It does make for a lift
>>> though, and being a straight gauge tube I can clamp it there to my Feedback
>>> workstand. I wouldn't pay more than $1700 for it though, not the over
>>> inflated 3k it ended up being when it went full diagonal extra tubes. All
>>> those extra tubes were unnecessary in real world riding though.
>>>
>>> This said, I'm pretty sure anyone can contact Grant about having a
>>> previous model made custom for not quite custom fee. It's not as if the
>>> blueprints, the form, vanishes. So there really is no need to bring back
>>> models as those models haven't gone anywhere. Consider them "off the menu"
>>> , formerly "on the menu" models.
>>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:59:08 PM UTC-5 Bill Fulford wrote:
>>>
 Bombadil, no question.

 On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:33:51 PM UTC-5 four...@gmail.com
 wrote:

> hands down, a Legolas.. ideally a Taiwan-made frame to save a little
> coin..
>
> I just picked up a new-to-me Rambouillet, so I'm covered there for
> now.. :)
>
> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:12:54 PM UTC-8 jackd...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> My Hunqapillar is the favorite in the stable, but I think a case can
>> really be made to bring back the Bleriot. Classic geometry, MIT (I 
>> believe)
>> to keep the price reasonable, and I'd argue that the decal
>>  is the best
>> Riv has done.
>>
>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 2:55:32 PM UTC-8 Drew Henson wrote:
>>
>>> legolas OR a more classically styled country bike with close to
>>> level top tube and shorter chain stays
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 2:16:03 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:
>>>
 I vote long stay version of Glorious and Hunqapillar in CLEAR
 COAT...

 I hope Grant is listening

 On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 03:11:33 PM MST, Mackenzy Albright
  wrote:


 All these threads about "choosing the one Riv" or "how do I pick
 which model" got me thinking. If you could convince Rivendell to 
 resurrect
 one out of production modelwhich would you choose?

 After acquiring a Clementine after a new Clem Smith Jr, I see merit
 of the geometry of the Clementine as a standalone step through that 
 feels
 like a long wheelbase agile bike rather than a floaty surfboard. I
 absolutely adore both-but they're extraordinarily different, despite 
 being
 a natural and logical evolution. I really enjoyed the reference of the
 thread "a tale of two clems" by Ding Ding! as I found similarities in 
 my
 experience.

 The evolution of Rivendell's is absolutely fascinating to me as
 there has never been a hang up for changing tried and true models. 
 XO-1 -
 ALL Rounder - TOYO Atlantis - MUSA Atlantis - MIT Atlantis. People are
 still obsessive with each rendition of a concept over its evolution.


 SOoo long story short. I would choose the Hunqapillar. Hands down.

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Roaduno Dropouts

[Shoji Takahashi]

Hi JL:
Hooded dropouts like these are sometimes referred to as Breezer-style, as 
Joe Breeze used them in his MTB. (IIRC, they predate Breeze, though.)

Hooded style has advantages for builders and Riv: this one can be used at 
many different angles. Vertical dropouts, like on my Toyo AHH, have a fixed 
angle. As the frame size changes, the chain-stay to seat-stay angle needs 
to change (or the frame designer will have to compromise by changing stay 
lengths).

Hooded style also can be welded (and brazed, I assume), which might offer 
flexibility in manufacture. Might permit a cheaper frame-construction 
option? The width probably offers a stiffness advantage, but I don't know 
how significant or important that might be.

shoji
arlington ma

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 11:20:39 AM UTC-5 J L wrote:

> Can someone tell me the purpose of the hoods on dropouts like these? They 
> are referred to as Breezer style, right? 

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[RBW] Re: How you choose 2 Rivendells?

[Jason Zakaras]

For me, I have a Quickbeam and a Hunqapillar, the riding I do varies from 
fast road riding to rough gravel riding to dirt mtb single track trails.  I 
think these two bikes are on opposite ends of the spectrum with wide ranges 
so I can do most everything I enjoy on a bike!

On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 9:02:49 PM UTC-6 Masa wrote:

> Hi JP, I can't take out my eyes off not only your bikes but records too!
> I think we have more than one thing in common:)
>
> Masa
>
> 2022年12月9日金曜日 3:33:08 UTC+9 MoVelo:
>
>> [image: Rambo1.jpg]Late to the party but these two have kept me happy.
>>
>> [image: Lego1.jpg]
>>
>> @Max B; I was really struck with how close your Leoglas is to mine. I 
>> usually run Chris King hubs laced to Pacneti rims with RH 700x38s, but am 
>> trying some slightly wider rubber here. 
>>
>> Cheers and Happy Holiday!
>>
>> JP
>>
>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 12:05:10 PM UTC-6 J wrote:
>>
>>> John- thanks for that GaiaGPS link. It's the first time I've seen it 
>>> after hearing about it for years, it's a really nice set up. I really like 
>>> how if you are just scrolling though photos it is simultaneously moving 
>>> your point on the route as well in the background. Looks like a lovely 
>>> ride. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 12:00:39 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:
>>>
 Hey Masa-san,

 You are lucky, indeed! Blue Lug is such a great shop; there are so many 
 beautiful bikes and fine parts to enjoy. 

 I rode to Shikoku on the Shimanami-kaido from Onomichi. This is a 
 spectacular way to go there. You must try it sometime. Here are GaiaGPS 
 tracks and photos 
  if you are 
 interested.

 Cheers, John

 On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 5:18:42 AM UTC-8 Masa wrote:

> John, it was actually you and your Hunq on the blog post! I have been 
> to Shikoku for a holiday by the public transportations but it must be 
> amazing to ride there. I'm glad that you could see many beautiful places 
> here in Japan.
>
> Luckily Blue Lug is my local bike shop so it didn't take long for me 
> to be a Riv fan!
>
> Masa
>
> 2022年12月8日木曜日 3:28:02 UTC+9 John Rinker:
>
>> Yes, Masa, I lived in Yokohama for a couple of years and had the very 
>> good fortune to ride in many beautiful places in Japan. Yakushima and 
>> Shikoku were my favorites! And, you are not mistaken, Chuyan at Blue Lug 
>> Hatagaya took some photos of my bike one day, so he must have posted 
>> them 
>> on the blog. Great bike shop with friendly, helpful staff. Another 
>> favorite 
>> of mine. 
>>
>> Cheers,
>> John
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 5:10:29 AM UTC-8 Masa wrote:
>>
>>> It's really interesting to read how people are enjoying/planning to 
>>> ride 2 Rivendells! 
>>> It seems like most of you have 2 different type Rivs for different 
>>> occasions as I was vaguely imaging for my future as well.
>>>
>>> As Keith pointed out the tricky point is that if you get second bike 
>>> for a different purpose which you barely have chances to go, you will 
>>> end 
>>> up to ride just one but not both of them. 
>>> That made me think that I should get the second Riv if I "need" it 
>>> while I got my first one mostly because I did "want" it.
>>> (Well it's really hard to separate these feelings though)
>>> Anyway I am going to ride my Platypus as much as possible for now 
>>> and will see if I need another one:)
>>>
>>> Otherwise actually it's a really simple thing. Having 2 bikes you 
>>> really love and "ride all the time and alternate daily" as John said.
>>> John, if I'm not mistaken I have seen your Hunq on Blue Lug's blog 
>>> before. You have lived in Japan? The Hunq and the Atlantis are both so 
>>> beautiful!
>>>
>>> Masa 
>>> 2022年12月7日水曜日 17:55:05 UTC+9 Luke Hendrickson:
>>>
 John,

 What a two bike collection you have! Since I have the Riv I’ve 
 always wanted (Atlantis), now I’m yearning for a Hunq. Such a lovely, 
 lugged beaut. 

 On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 11:34:11 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:

> Hey Masa, 
>
> I'm stoked to own two Rivs- a Waterford Hunqapillar and a Toyo 
> Atlantis. 
>
> The Hunq was my first bike from Rivendell which I bought new in 
> 2015. I had the great pleasure of working with Keven M on ordering 
> and 
> dialing the bike in. Right out of the box it was a go-anywhere, 
> do-anything 
> bike, and it has been tested to its limits all over the world. Or, 
> should I 
> say, it has tested my limits! This is the One-Bike-To-Rule-Them-All 
> as far 
> as I'm concerned. 
> [image: 

[RBW] Re: How you choose 2 Rivendells?

[Jason Zakaras]

For me, I have a Quickbeam and a Hunqapillar, the riding I do varies from 
fast road riding to rough gravel riding t

On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 9:02:49 PM UTC-6 Masa wrote:

> Hi JP, I can't take out my eyes off not only your bikes but records too!
> I think we have more than one thing in common:)
>
> Masa
>
> 2022年12月9日金曜日 3:33:08 UTC+9 MoVelo:
>
>> [image: Rambo1.jpg]Late to the party but these two have kept me happy.
>>
>> [image: Lego1.jpg]
>>
>> @Max B; I was really struck with how close your Leoglas is to mine. I 
>> usually run Chris King hubs laced to Pacneti rims with RH 700x38s, but am 
>> trying some slightly wider rubber here. 
>>
>> Cheers and Happy Holiday!
>>
>> JP
>>
>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 12:05:10 PM UTC-6 J wrote:
>>
>>> John- thanks for that GaiaGPS link. It's the first time I've seen it 
>>> after hearing about it for years, it's a really nice set up. I really like 
>>> how if you are just scrolling though photos it is simultaneously moving 
>>> your point on the route as well in the background. Looks like a lovely 
>>> ride. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 12:00:39 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:
>>>
 Hey Masa-san,

 You are lucky, indeed! Blue Lug is such a great shop; there are so many 
 beautiful bikes and fine parts to enjoy. 

 I rode to Shikoku on the Shimanami-kaido from Onomichi. This is a 
 spectacular way to go there. You must try it sometime. Here are GaiaGPS 
 tracks and photos 
  if you are 
 interested.

 Cheers, John

 On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 5:18:42 AM UTC-8 Masa wrote:

> John, it was actually you and your Hunq on the blog post! I have been 
> to Shikoku for a holiday by the public transportations but it must be 
> amazing to ride there. I'm glad that you could see many beautiful places 
> here in Japan.
>
> Luckily Blue Lug is my local bike shop so it didn't take long for me 
> to be a Riv fan!
>
> Masa
>
> 2022年12月8日木曜日 3:28:02 UTC+9 John Rinker:
>
>> Yes, Masa, I lived in Yokohama for a couple of years and had the very 
>> good fortune to ride in many beautiful places in Japan. Yakushima and 
>> Shikoku were my favorites! And, you are not mistaken, Chuyan at Blue Lug 
>> Hatagaya took some photos of my bike one day, so he must have posted 
>> them 
>> on the blog. Great bike shop with friendly, helpful staff. Another 
>> favorite 
>> of mine. 
>>
>> Cheers,
>> John
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 5:10:29 AM UTC-8 Masa wrote:
>>
>>> It's really interesting to read how people are enjoying/planning to 
>>> ride 2 Rivendells! 
>>> It seems like most of you have 2 different type Rivs for different 
>>> occasions as I was vaguely imaging for my future as well.
>>>
>>> As Keith pointed out the tricky point is that if you get second bike 
>>> for a different purpose which you barely have chances to go, you will 
>>> end 
>>> up to ride just one but not both of them. 
>>> That made me think that I should get the second Riv if I "need" it 
>>> while I got my first one mostly because I did "want" it.
>>> (Well it's really hard to separate these feelings though)
>>> Anyway I am going to ride my Platypus as much as possible for now 
>>> and will see if I need another one:)
>>>
>>> Otherwise actually it's a really simple thing. Having 2 bikes you 
>>> really love and "ride all the time and alternate daily" as John said.
>>> John, if I'm not mistaken I have seen your Hunq on Blue Lug's blog 
>>> before. You have lived in Japan? The Hunq and the Atlantis are both so 
>>> beautiful!
>>>
>>> Masa 
>>> 2022年12月7日水曜日 17:55:05 UTC+9 Luke Hendrickson:
>>>
 John,

 What a two bike collection you have! Since I have the Riv I’ve 
 always wanted (Atlantis), now I’m yearning for a Hunq. Such a lovely, 
 lugged beaut. 

 On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 11:34:11 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:

> Hey Masa, 
>
> I'm stoked to own two Rivs- a Waterford Hunqapillar and a Toyo 
> Atlantis. 
>
> The Hunq was my first bike from Rivendell which I bought new in 
> 2015. I had the great pleasure of working with Keven M on ordering 
> and 
> dialing the bike in. Right out of the box it was a go-anywhere, 
> do-anything 
> bike, and it has been tested to its limits all over the world. Or, 
> should I 
> say, it has tested my limits! This is the One-Bike-To-Rule-Them-All 
> as far 
> as I'm concerned. 
> [image: IMG_6440.jpeg]
>
> I was fortunate enough to find a Toyo Atlantis a couple of summers 
> ago in this group. I chose the Atlantis 

Re: [RBW] If you convince Rivendell to bring back "one" former model

[Jason Zakaras]

Another vote for the Bombadil.  Just to add content around a one off 
production from Riv, I spoke to the good folks at Rivendell a bit this year 
and they are not doing any customs or special orders currently, I wanted a 
56cm Bombadil, they said maybe next year (like fall 2023) if at all. 
 Perhaps others have a better tie in there, but for me, I'm stuck waiting 
and watching for someone to grace me with my favorite bike and LOTR name of 
all time.


On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 8:59:37 AM UTC-6 Joel S wrote:

>
> Saluki as it started the 650b Rivendell excursion.  Also the Yves Gomez as 
> I never had a chance to get one.  The AR should get honorable mention.  
> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 3:46:58 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>
>> The only one that fit me was the Bombadil, so the Bomba it would be. The 
>> parallel TT ones, but frankly it doesn't need it. It does make for a lift 
>> though, and being a straight gauge tube I can clamp it there to my Feedback 
>> workstand. I wouldn't pay more than $1700 for it though, not the over 
>> inflated 3k it ended up being when it went full diagonal extra tubes. All 
>> those extra tubes were unnecessary in real world riding though. 
>>
>> This said, I'm pretty sure anyone can contact Grant about having a 
>> previous model made custom for not quite custom fee. It's not as if the 
>> blueprints, the form, vanishes. So there really is no need to bring back 
>> models as those models haven't gone anywhere. Consider them "off the menu" 
>> , formerly "on the menu" models.  
>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:59:08 PM UTC-5 Bill Fulford wrote:
>>
>>> Bombadil, no question.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:33:51 PM UTC-5 four...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 hands down, a Legolas.. ideally a Taiwan-made frame to save a little 
 coin..

 I just picked up a new-to-me Rambouillet, so I'm covered there for 
 now.. :) 

 On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:12:54 PM UTC-8 jackd...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> My Hunqapillar is the favorite in the stable, but I think a case can 
> really be made to bring back the Bleriot. Classic geometry, MIT (I 
> believe) 
> to keep the price reasonable, and I'd argue that the decal 
>  is the best 
> Riv has done. 
>
> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 2:55:32 PM UTC-8 Drew Henson wrote:
>
>> legolas OR a more classically styled country bike with close to level 
>> top tube and shorter chain stays
>>
>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 2:16:03 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:
>>
>>> I vote long stay version of Glorious and Hunqapillar in CLEAR COAT...
>>>
>>> I hope Grant is listening
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 03:11:33 PM MST, Mackenzy Albright <
>>> mackenzy...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>>
>>>
>>> All these threads about "choosing the one Riv" or "how do I pick 
>>> which model" got me thinking. If you could convince Rivendell to 
>>> resurrect 
>>> one out of production modelwhich would you choose? 
>>>
>>> After acquiring a Clementine after a new Clem Smith Jr, I see merit 
>>> of the geometry of the Clementine as a standalone step through that 
>>> feels 
>>> like a long wheelbase agile bike rather than a floaty surfboard. I 
>>> absolutely adore both-but they're extraordinarily different, despite 
>>> being 
>>> a natural and logical evolution. I really enjoyed the reference of the 
>>> thread "a tale of two clems" by Ding Ding! as I found similarities in 
>>> my 
>>> experience. 
>>>
>>> The evolution of Rivendell's is absolutely fascinating to me as 
>>> there has never been a hang up for changing tried and true models. XO-1 
>>> - 
>>> ALL Rounder - TOYO Atlantis - MUSA Atlantis - MIT Atlantis. People are 
>>> still obsessive with each rendition of a concept over its evolution. 
>>>
>>>
>>> SOoo long story short. I would choose the Hunqapillar. Hands down. 
>>>
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[RBW] Re: What's Good - Wide-ish/flared drops edition...

[Jason Zakaras]

Ben, I'm also in Omaha and a big fan of the crust towel rack.  I have a 600 
on my 58cm quick beam and am holding a 630 for my 58cm hunq that is 
currently being painted.  If you want to hold the 630 or ride the QB to 
check the feels I'd be down to meet. 

I had the Nitto noodles and the flares on the Towel Rack rey 
help me get into a good comfortable but not overly relaxed position.  I've 
rode them on 150 mile rides around here on the gravel and are quiet easily 
the nicest cockpit set-up I've used.  Another nice option is the Ritchie 
VentureMax, I had the carbon bars on my bombora but swapped them out for 
towel racks, I find there are more hand placement options with the TR.

Cheers!

Jason "in rural Springfield which is basically Omaha" Zakaras

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:49:26 AM UTC-6 lwt...@gmail.com wrote:

> Check out the PNW Coast bar.  A little flair but not too crazy. They make 
> really nice stuff at a reasonable price and great customer service.
>
> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 8:25:06 AM UTC-7 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>
>> 52cm Nitto RM013 - it's essentially a 48mm Noodle with extra flare only 
>> in the drop itself (so hoods retain a more normal orientation but that 
>> extra flare when in the drops feels nice if venturing off into slightly 
>> more technical terrain.) 
>> I started with a 48cm RM013 after being confused about the measurements, 
>> which differ from the Noodle, and found the 48cm RM013 it a hair too narrow 
>> for my liking.  I eventually acquired the desired 52cm of the same model 
>> through a series of parts swaps and list purchases as well as a Salsa 
>> Cowbell in the widest 46cm size (which is 46cm center to center at the 
>> hoods making the drop/bar ends over 50cm.)
>>
>> I really like aspects of both the Cowbell and RM013 for the types of 
>> riding you describe but found I personally seem to prefer longer ramps.  
>> The Cowbell's 68mm reach felt much too short for me, personally, and was 
>> the only reason I moved away from them.  The 90mm reach of the RM013 felt 
>> much better when on the ramps.  I was kind of indifferent to the deeper 
>> drop vs. the Cowbell but do like the unique flare combined with a more 
>> traditional road drop for a mixed surface road-ish bike.  I'd considered 
>> trying Crust's new 31.8 Bonneville bar since I was running a 31.8 thread 
>> less stem with 26.0 shim for the RM013's on my only drop bar bike.  I 
>> thought I'd like to try the longer/flatter 120mm ramp and 15deg flare 
>> compared to the Cowbell 12deg, however, that frame has since been sidelined 
>> so won't be attempting any other drop swaps anytime soon.
>>
>> I also have one of the original v1 Towel Rack/Leather Bar in the 
>> 66cm/26.0 (only the single option in the v1) but used it only briefly on a 
>> short brakeless test ride mid-build on another project.  It was certainly 
>> wde but I have not yet had an opportunity to fully test it yet as the 
>> full build has not yet materialized.  Current iterations are also 
>> significantly different in spec than the v1 but I do hope to eventually 
>> give it a try.
>>
>> https://crustbikes.com/collections/handlebars/products/nitto-rm-dirt-drop
>>
>> https://crustbikes.com/collections/handlebars/products/nitto-x-crust-bonneville-bar?variant=3234146394
>>
>> Brian Cole
>> Lawrence NJ
>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:36:15 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hey everyone!
>>> I posted earlier about reach in converting to a wider bar and decided to 
>>> start a different conversation to get opinions on wide-ish, flared drops.
>>>
>>> I like the Nitto Noodle quite well, but I think I do want a little flare 
>>> and I don't want to bend them myself. So what's good out there? I'm tempted 
>>> by the Crust Towel Rack, but I'd love to hear what you all like.
>>>
>>> If it helps/matters, the kind of riding I do with the bike it's going is 
>>> casual rails-to-trails, some rolling gravel roads, but nothing too 
>>> technical or serious.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Ben
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: What's Good - Wide-ish/flared drops edition...

[J]

Brian-
That's good insight about the 52 vs 48, the difference being in the width 
of the flair only, since nowhere else is that useful info available. I've 
been considering moving from the narrowest Towel Rack V1 to a Noodle bar 
but have been unsure I could get along with the narrow width. What bike are 
you using the 52 Noodle on, any photos? 

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 10:49:26 AM UTC-5 lwt...@gmail.com wrote:

> Check out the PNW Coast bar.  A little flair but not too crazy. They make 
> really nice stuff at a reasonable price and great customer service.
>
> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 8:25:06 AM UTC-7 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>
>> 52cm Nitto RM013 - it's essentially a 48mm Noodle with extra flare only 
>> in the drop itself (so hoods retain a more normal orientation but that 
>> extra flare when in the drops feels nice if venturing off into slightly 
>> more technical terrain.) 
>> I started with a 48cm RM013 after being confused about the measurements, 
>> which differ from the Noodle, and found the 48cm RM013 it a hair too narrow 
>> for my liking.  I eventually acquired the desired 52cm of the same model 
>> through a series of parts swaps and list purchases as well as a Salsa 
>> Cowbell in the widest 46cm size (which is 46cm center to center at the 
>> hoods making the drop/bar ends over 50cm.)
>>
>> I really like aspects of both the Cowbell and RM013 for the types of 
>> riding you describe but found I personally seem to prefer longer ramps.  
>> The Cowbell's 68mm reach felt much too short for me, personally, and was 
>> the only reason I moved away from them.  The 90mm reach of the RM013 felt 
>> much better when on the ramps.  I was kind of indifferent to the deeper 
>> drop vs. the Cowbell but do like the unique flare combined with a more 
>> traditional road drop for a mixed surface road-ish bike.  I'd considered 
>> trying Crust's new 31.8 Bonneville bar since I was running a 31.8 thread 
>> less stem with 26.0 shim for the RM013's on my only drop bar bike.  I 
>> thought I'd like to try the longer/flatter 120mm ramp and 15deg flare 
>> compared to the Cowbell 12deg, however, that frame has since been sidelined 
>> so won't be attempting any other drop swaps anytime soon.
>>
>> I also have one of the original v1 Towel Rack/Leather Bar in the 
>> 66cm/26.0 (only the single option in the v1) but used it only briefly on a 
>> short brakeless test ride mid-build on another project.  It was certainly 
>> wde but I have not yet had an opportunity to fully test it yet as the 
>> full build has not yet materialized.  Current iterations are also 
>> significantly different in spec than the v1 but I do hope to eventually 
>> give it a try.
>>
>> https://crustbikes.com/collections/handlebars/products/nitto-rm-dirt-drop
>>
>> https://crustbikes.com/collections/handlebars/products/nitto-x-crust-bonneville-bar?variant=3234146394
>>
>> Brian Cole
>> Lawrence NJ
>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:36:15 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hey everyone!
>>> I posted earlier about reach in converting to a wider bar and decided to 
>>> start a different conversation to get opinions on wide-ish, flared drops.
>>>
>>> I like the Nitto Noodle quite well, but I think I do want a little flare 
>>> and I don't want to bend them myself. So what's good out there? I'm tempted 
>>> by the Crust Towel Rack, but I'd love to hear what you all like.
>>>
>>> If it helps/matters, the kind of riding I do with the bike it's going is 
>>> casual rails-to-trails, some rolling gravel roads, but nothing too 
>>> technical or serious.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Ben
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Roaduno Dropouts

[J L]

Can someone tell me the purpose of the hoods on dropouts like these? They are 
referred to as Breezer style, right? 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Roaduno Dropouts

[Joe Mullins]

When I last spoke to Will about it a few weeks ago he confirmed the spacing was 120.On Dec 9, 2022, at 7:20 AM, Brian Forsee  wrote:I'll be bummed if the roaduno ends up with a der hanger and/or cable routing for a derailleur. I like my single speeds nice and clean. If they DO put options for a geared setup on there I hope they at least go to a 135mm spacing.On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 4:17:54 PM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:Doh.  You're right - i forgot about that possibility.  I'm so obsessed with IGHs, i completely overlooked front-shifting possibilities.On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:02:59 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:It's an outlier as far as what most people are looking for in a frame like this, but a member here many years ago put an old rear derailer (Shimano 200GS I think) with a bolt on hanger on a Quickbeam so he could use a wide-range double crank with fd derailer to give it a big top gear plus hill climber granny (it was in a Rivendell Reader). I'm guessing after all the 2-speed experiments Grant and Will have done with chain tensioners they figured it couldn't hurt to have the option on RoadUNO. On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 1:33:14 PM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:Makes sense, but it's still curious to me that they only used the Frank Jones Sr. dropout on that one model.  (Or, maybe a Rosco model, too?).  Im kind of suspecting that, with 3D design printing capabilities, it might be just as easy to come up with a new part if and when it is needed.I'm curious to see if this means there'll be some extra cable routing options on the Roaduno, or if that'll be left to clamp-on devices or zip ties, for someone who wished to use a derailleur.   Part of the beauty of a single-speed is the cleanness of not having unused stops.   On the other hand, I'm brazing on some extra housing stops to my Quickbeam - but for a Sturmey Archer 3-speed, not a derailleur.The "chain tensioner" feature doesn't make sense to me.On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 6:38:07 AM UTC-7 Shoji Takahashi wrote:I'm also v interested in RoadUno as "my last Riv"... Spec'ing a hanger on these trackends means that Riv can use it for other frames-- maybe they'll make a 135-spaced frame using these? Or someone will request a custom? That said, these are prototypes, so who knows what will show up in the final form. Looking forward to it!Anyone ride the prototypes RoadUno frames at RivHQ? How does it compare to the Quickbeam? or present offerings? shojiarlington maOn Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 5:05:56 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:The print does say for a chain tensioner or derailleur. That's quite straight forward to me. Sun XCD does make a 120mm cassette hub. Customize your own cog set and there 'ya go. So why call it a Road-UNO ?  Because it can be a seamless single speed and just because it can be used as such doesn't mean it can't/shouldn't have a hanger for a tensioner or derailleur. It adds to the versatility of the frame, very good idea ! Don't let the words/definitions/descriptions yank you're chain, so to speak. On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 10:58:19 PM UTC-5 velomann wrote:Just dropping a little bomb here to see where the comments lead, for S**ts and giggles, mostly.The latest blagh shows the 3D printed track dropouts for the new Roaduno. It has a derailleur hanger. For a 120-spaced single speed. Comments?(And to tag onto another posting ("choose two Rivendells") I own several bikes but only one Riv (last release of the Sam Hillborne.) I plan to do everything in my power to snag a purple Roaduno, regardless of dropout style. And at this point in my life that's the last new bike I plan to buy*Mike M* But who am I fooling?



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Re: [RBW] Re: Pedals, MKS XC Bear Trap III vs. MKS Bubble Pedals

[luckyturnip]

Unhelpful to the spin convo but I was pretty disappointed at the lack of grip with the beartrap. They look great but riding in Converse my feet just slip too much. Just traded one of my three sets for a pair of Lambdas. Are the Bubbly pedals grippy?On Dec 9, 2022, at 07:49, Minh  wrote:i have the bubbly (in copper, had to order from japan last year), and they do spin crazy with your hand, but i'm not really sure if there is a lot of value to this?  one thing i'd like to hear is people's feedback on the bubbly and hot spots, IMHO, i can feel the edges of the bubbly cage more than my lambda pedals.   but then i ride in soft sneakers.  On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 10:26:43 AM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:Thank you everyone for your replies, here's my takeaway after reading your comments and taking apart the bear traps to make sure they were properly greased and tightened (full disclosure this is the first pedal I take apart):I found this video from Ron: https://youtu.be/sjGrbm2XxhM - take a look at minute 5:10 - mine definitely don't spin like that, but I'm not sure why, maybe they'll get smoother with use, since these are brand new out of the box.It does seem like Simworks Bubbly & sealed cartridge will feel way smoother than Bear Traps period, but that might not translate to any improved feeling when pedaling. Also, the consensus is that Bear Traps are ok/good pedals.Thanks again, I'll install them and see how they feel.MaxOn Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:29:22 AM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:The bear trap will get smoother over time but never match the Bubbly, the Bubbly is the smoothest pedal I’ve ever seen. I prefer the larger platform of the Bubbly (they are on my commuter) but haven’t bought a set to replace my bear trap pedals on my Susie. Nothing wrong with the bear traps at all. On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 1:49:46 AM UTC-8 Garth wrote:Max,  your description sounds like they may be adjusted too tight, and/or you're simply noticing a difference between the open and cartridge bearings. Most pedals that I've owned didn't come with much grease either. More grease until it oozes out the sides !  Then make sure the bearing isn't loaded too much. Pedals from the factory are no guarantee of proper adjustment, not unlike Shimano hubs. As for the ability to spin, as long as it spins freely, it'll spin freely. Don't bother comparing the "feel" to cartridge bearing hubs because they're not cartridge bearings in the hubs. Neither bearing type means one will spin better or worse than the other.On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 1:50:12 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:I have the OG Suntours and they spin for days. Get a rebuilt pair plus add some vintage charm!On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:22:36 PM UTC-8 Jared Wilson wrote:Hey Max,Can't speak to the "why" aspect, but you're not crazy in your observation.We have (3) pairs of the BL BT III and (1) pair of the Bubbly pedals and they're not in the same category. Not to say there's anything wrong with the Bear Traps, but the Bubbly pedals are on an entirely different level.That said, either option good and you shouldn't regret your decision, you did what works for the time being and maybe later on down the road you get to try the alternative, but I wouldn't dwell on it all that much.Jared in SLOOn Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:05:10 PM UTC-8 maxcr wrote:Hi Everyone,I decided to get new pedals for the bike I'm building. First I went to my LBS (Cambridge Bicycles) and they suggested the Simworks Bubbly pedals - I really liked the spin on them and the looks, but unfortunately they only had the olives in stock. They sent me to the Simworks website, but the polished were sold out. (Their next order was going to be in about a month at best)Reading through the forum I saw good comments on the Blue Lug Bear Trap III and ordered them in silver. They arrived today and I'm surprised because they feel much less smooth than the bubbly ones. To be fair they are much less expensive $62 vs $100 but still, is this normal?Is it the lack of sealed bearings that affects rotational performance?Will I feel a real difference if I go with one over the other?Thanks for your opinions and knowledge.Max in Boston



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[RBW] Re: Pedals, MKS XC Bear Trap III vs. MKS Bubble Pedals

[Minh]

i have the bubbly (in copper, had to order from japan last year), and they 
do spin crazy with your hand, but i'm not really sure if there is a lot of 
value to this?  

one thing i'd like to hear is people's feedback on the bubbly and hot 
spots, IMHO, i can feel the edges of the bubbly cage more than my lambda 
pedals.   but then i ride in soft sneakers.  

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 10:26:43 AM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:

> Thank you everyone for your replies, here's my takeaway after reading your 
> comments and taking apart the bear traps to make sure they were properly 
> greased and tightened (full disclosure this is the first pedal I take 
> apart):
>
> I found this video from Ron: https://youtu.be/sjGrbm2XxhM - take a look 
> at minute 5:10 - mine definitely don't spin like that, but I'm not sure 
> why, maybe they'll get smoother with use, since these are brand new out of 
> the box.
>
> It does seem like Simworks Bubbly & sealed cartridge will feel way 
> smoother than Bear Traps period, but that might not translate to any 
> improved feeling when pedaling. Also, the consensus is that Bear Traps are 
> ok/good pedals.
>
> Thanks again, I'll install them and see how they feel.
>
> Max
>
> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:29:22 AM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> The bear trap will get smoother over time but never match the Bubbly, the 
>> Bubbly is the smoothest pedal I’ve ever seen. I prefer the larger platform 
>> of the Bubbly (they are on my commuter) but haven’t bought a set to replace 
>> my bear trap pedals on my Susie. Nothing wrong with the bear traps at all. 
>>
>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 1:49:46 AM UTC-8 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Max,  your description sounds like they may be adjusted too tight, 
>>> and/or you're simply noticing a difference between the open and cartridge 
>>> bearings. Most pedals that I've owned didn't come with much grease either. 
>>> More grease until it oozes out the sides !  Then make sure the bearing 
>>> isn't loaded too much. Pedals from the factory are no guarantee of proper 
>>> adjustment, not unlike Shimano hubs. 
>>>
>>> As for the ability to spin, as long as it spins freely, it'll spin 
>>> freely. Don't bother comparing the "feel" to cartridge bearing hubs because 
>>> they're not cartridge bearings in the hubs. Neither bearing type means one 
>>> will spin better or worse than the other.
>>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 1:50:12 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>>
 I have the OG Suntours and they spin for days. Get a rebuilt pair plus 
 add some vintage charm!

 On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:22:36 PM UTC-8 Jared Wilson wrote:

> Hey Max,
>
> Can't speak to the "why" aspect, but you're not crazy in your 
> observation.
>
> We have (3) pairs of the BL BT III and (1) pair of the Bubbly pedals 
> and they're not in the same category. Not to say there's anything wrong 
> with the Bear Traps, but the Bubbly pedals are on an entirely different 
> level.
>
> That said, either option good and you shouldn't regret your decision, 
> you did what works for the time being and maybe later on down the road 
> you 
> get to try the alternative, but I wouldn't dwell on it all that much.
>
> Jared in SLO
>
> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:05:10 PM UTC-8 maxcr wrote:
>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> I decided to get new pedals for the bike I'm building. First I went 
>> to my LBS (Cambridge Bicycles) and they suggested the Simworks Bubbly 
>> pedals - I really liked the spin on them and the looks, but 
>> unfortunately 
>> they only had the olives in stock. They sent me to the Simworks website, 
>> but the polished were sold out. (Their next order was going to be in 
>> about 
>> a month at best)
>>
>> Reading through the forum I saw good comments on the Blue Lug Bear 
>> Trap III and ordered them in silver. 
>>
>> They arrived today and I'm surprised because they feel much less 
>> smooth than the bubbly ones. To be fair they are much less expensive $62 
>> vs 
>> $100 but still, is this normal?
>>
>> Is it the lack of sealed bearings that affects rotational performance?
>>
>> Will I feel a real difference if I go with one over the other?
>>
>> Thanks for your opinions and knowledge.
>>
>> Max in Boston
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: What's Good - Wide-ish/flared drops edition...

[Lance Terry]

Check out the PNW Coast bar.  A little flair but not too crazy. They make 
really nice stuff at a reasonable price and great customer service.

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 8:25:06 AM UTC-7 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:

> 52cm Nitto RM013 - it's essentially a 48mm Noodle with extra flare only in 
> the drop itself (so hoods retain a more normal orientation but that extra 
> flare when in the drops feels nice if venturing off into slightly more 
> technical terrain.) 
> I started with a 48cm RM013 after being confused about the measurements, 
> which differ from the Noodle, and found the 48cm RM013 it a hair too narrow 
> for my liking.  I eventually acquired the desired 52cm of the same model 
> through a series of parts swaps and list purchases as well as a Salsa 
> Cowbell in the widest 46cm size (which is 46cm center to center at the 
> hoods making the drop/bar ends over 50cm.)
>
> I really like aspects of both the Cowbell and RM013 for the types of 
> riding you describe but found I personally seem to prefer longer ramps.  
> The Cowbell's 68mm reach felt much too short for me, personally, and was 
> the only reason I moved away from them.  The 90mm reach of the RM013 felt 
> much better when on the ramps.  I was kind of indifferent to the deeper 
> drop vs. the Cowbell but do like the unique flare combined with a more 
> traditional road drop for a mixed surface road-ish bike.  I'd considered 
> trying Crust's new 31.8 Bonneville bar since I was running a 31.8 thread 
> less stem with 26.0 shim for the RM013's on my only drop bar bike.  I 
> thought I'd like to try the longer/flatter 120mm ramp and 15deg flare 
> compared to the Cowbell 12deg, however, that frame has since been sidelined 
> so won't be attempting any other drop swaps anytime soon.
>
> I also have one of the original v1 Towel Rack/Leather Bar in the 66cm/26.0 
> (only the single option in the v1) but used it only briefly on a short 
> brakeless test ride mid-build on another project.  It was certainly wde 
> but I have not yet had an opportunity to fully test it yet as the full 
> build has not yet materialized.  Current iterations are also significantly 
> different in spec than the v1 but I do hope to eventually give it a try.
>
> https://crustbikes.com/collections/handlebars/products/nitto-rm-dirt-drop
>
> https://crustbikes.com/collections/handlebars/products/nitto-x-crust-bonneville-bar?variant=3234146394
>
> Brian Cole
> Lawrence NJ
> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:36:15 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hey everyone!
>> I posted earlier about reach in converting to a wider bar and decided to 
>> start a different conversation to get opinions on wide-ish, flared drops.
>>
>> I like the Nitto Noodle quite well, but I think I do want a little flare 
>> and I don't want to bend them myself. So what's good out there? I'm tempted 
>> by the Crust Towel Rack, but I'd love to hear what you all like.
>>
>> If it helps/matters, the kind of riding I do with the bike it's going is 
>> casual rails-to-trails, some rolling gravel roads, but nothing too 
>> technical or serious.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Ben
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Pedals, MKS XC Bear Trap III vs. MKS Bubble Pedals

[maxcr]

Thank you everyone for your replies, here's my takeaway after reading your 
comments and taking apart the bear traps to make sure they were properly 
greased and tightened (full disclosure this is the first pedal I take 
apart):

I found this video from Ron: https://youtu.be/sjGrbm2XxhM - take a look at 
minute 5:10 - mine definitely don't spin like that, but I'm not sure why, 
maybe they'll get smoother with use, since these are brand new out of the 
box.

It does seem like Simworks Bubbly & sealed cartridge will feel way smoother 
than Bear Traps period, but that might not translate to any improved 
feeling when pedaling. Also, the consensus is that Bear Traps are ok/good 
pedals.

Thanks again, I'll install them and see how they feel.

Max

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:29:22 AM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> The bear trap will get smoother over time but never match the Bubbly, the 
> Bubbly is the smoothest pedal I’ve ever seen. I prefer the larger platform 
> of the Bubbly (they are on my commuter) but haven’t bought a set to replace 
> my bear trap pedals on my Susie. Nothing wrong with the bear traps at all. 
>
> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 1:49:46 AM UTC-8 Garth wrote:
>
>> Max,  your description sounds like they may be adjusted too tight, and/or 
>> you're simply noticing a difference between the open and cartridge 
>> bearings. Most pedals that I've owned didn't come with much grease either. 
>> More grease until it oozes out the sides !  Then make sure the bearing 
>> isn't loaded too much. Pedals from the factory are no guarantee of proper 
>> adjustment, not unlike Shimano hubs. 
>>
>> As for the ability to spin, as long as it spins freely, it'll spin 
>> freely. Don't bother comparing the "feel" to cartridge bearing hubs because 
>> they're not cartridge bearings in the hubs. Neither bearing type means one 
>> will spin better or worse than the other.
>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 1:50:12 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> I have the OG Suntours and they spin for days. Get a rebuilt pair plus 
>>> add some vintage charm!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:22:36 PM UTC-8 Jared Wilson wrote:
>>>
 Hey Max,

 Can't speak to the "why" aspect, but you're not crazy in your 
 observation.

 We have (3) pairs of the BL BT III and (1) pair of the Bubbly pedals 
 and they're not in the same category. Not to say there's anything wrong 
 with the Bear Traps, but the Bubbly pedals are on an entirely different 
 level.

 That said, either option good and you shouldn't regret your decision, 
 you did what works for the time being and maybe later on down the road you 
 get to try the alternative, but I wouldn't dwell on it all that much.

 Jared in SLO

 On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:05:10 PM UTC-8 maxcr wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
> I decided to get new pedals for the bike I'm building. First I went to 
> my LBS (Cambridge Bicycles) and they suggested the Simworks Bubbly pedals 
> - 
> I really liked the spin on them and the looks, but unfortunately they 
> only 
> had the olives in stock. They sent me to the Simworks website, but the 
> polished were sold out. (Their next order was going to be in about a 
> month 
> at best)
>
> Reading through the forum I saw good comments on the Blue Lug Bear 
> Trap III and ordered them in silver. 
>
> They arrived today and I'm surprised because they feel much less 
> smooth than the bubbly ones. To be fair they are much less expensive $62 
> vs 
> $100 but still, is this normal?
>
> Is it the lack of sealed bearings that affects rotational performance?
>
> Will I feel a real difference if I go with one over the other?
>
> Thanks for your opinions and knowledge.
>
> Max in Boston
>


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[RBW] Re: What's Good - Wide-ish/flared drops edition...

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

52cm Nitto RM013 - it's essentially a 48mm Noodle with extra flare only in 
the drop itself (so hoods retain a more normal orientation but that extra 
flare when in the drops feels nice if venturing off into slightly more 
technical terrain.) 
I started with a 48cm RM013 after being confused about the measurements, 
which differ from the Noodle, and found the 48cm RM013 it a hair too narrow 
for my liking.  I eventually acquired the desired 52cm of the same model 
through a series of parts swaps and list purchases as well as a Salsa 
Cowbell in the widest 46cm size (which is 46cm center to center at the 
hoods making the drop/bar ends over 50cm.)

I really like aspects of both the Cowbell and RM013 for the types of riding 
you describe but found I personally seem to prefer longer ramps.  The 
Cowbell's 68mm reach felt much too short for me, personally, and was the 
only reason I moved away from them.  The 90mm reach of the RM013 felt much 
better when on the ramps.  I was kind of indifferent to the deeper drop vs. 
the Cowbell but do like the unique flare combined with a more traditional 
road drop for a mixed surface road-ish bike.  I'd considered trying Crust's 
new 31.8 Bonneville bar since I was running a 31.8 thread less stem with 
26.0 shim for the RM013's on my only drop bar bike.  I thought I'd like to 
try the longer/flatter 120mm ramp and 15deg flare compared to the Cowbell 
12deg, however, that frame has since been sidelined so won't be attempting 
any other drop swaps anytime soon.

I also have one of the original v1 Towel Rack/Leather Bar in the 66cm/26.0 
(only the single option in the v1) but used it only briefly on a short 
brakeless test ride mid-build on another project.  It was certainly wde 
but I have not yet had an opportunity to fully test it yet as the full 
build has not yet materialized.  Current iterations are also significantly 
different in spec than the v1 but I do hope to eventually give it a try.

https://crustbikes.com/collections/handlebars/products/nitto-rm-dirt-drop
https://crustbikes.com/collections/handlebars/products/nitto-x-crust-bonneville-bar?variant=3234146394

Brian Cole
Lawrence NJ
On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:36:15 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey everyone!
> I posted earlier about reach in converting to a wider bar and decided to 
> start a different conversation to get opinions on wide-ish, flared drops.
>
> I like the Nitto Noodle quite well, but I think I do want a little flare 
> and I don't want to bend them myself. So what's good out there? I'm tempted 
> by the Crust Towel Rack, but I'd love to hear what you all like.
>
> If it helps/matters, the kind of riding I do with the bike it's going is 
> casual rails-to-trails, some rolling gravel roads, but nothing too 
> technical or serious.
>
> Thanks!
> Ben
>

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[RBW] Re: New Roaduno Dropouts

[Brian Forsee]

I'll be bummed if the roaduno ends up with a der hanger and/or cable 
routing for a derailleur. I like my single speeds nice and clean. If they 
DO put options for a geared setup on there I hope they at least go to a 
135mm spacing.



On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 4:17:54 PM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:

> Doh.  You're right - i forgot about that possibility.  I'm so obsessed 
> with IGHs, i completely overlooked front-shifting possibilities.
>
> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:02:59 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> It's an outlier as far as what most people are looking for in a frame 
>> like this, but a member here many years ago put an old rear derailer 
>> (Shimano 200GS I think) with a bolt on hanger on a Quickbeam so he could 
>> use a wide-range double crank with fd derailer to give it a big top gear 
>> plus hill climber granny (it was in a Rivendell Reader). 
>>
>> I'm guessing after all the 2-speed experiments Grant and Will have done 
>> with chain tensioners they figured it couldn't hurt to have the option on 
>> RoadUNO. 
>>
>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 1:33:14 PM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>> Makes sense, but it's still curious to me that they only used the Frank 
>>> Jones Sr. dropout on that one model.  (Or, maybe a Rosco model, too?).  Im 
>>> kind of suspecting that, with 3D design printing capabilities, it might be 
>>> just as easy to come up with a new part if and when it is needed.
>>>
>>> I'm curious to see if this means there'll be some extra cable routing 
>>> options on the Roaduno, or if that'll be left to clamp-on devices or zip 
>>> ties, for someone who wished to use a derailleur.   Part of the beauty of a 
>>> single-speed is the cleanness of not having unused stops.   On the other 
>>> hand, I'm brazing on some extra housing stops to my Quickbeam - but for a 
>>> Sturmey Archer 3-speed, not a derailleur.
>>>
>>> The "chain tensioner" feature doesn't make sense to me.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 6:38:07 AM UTC-7 Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>>>
 I'm also v interested in RoadUno as "my last Riv"... 

 Spec'ing a hanger on these trackends means that Riv can use it for 
 other frames-- maybe they'll make a 135-spaced frame using these? Or 
 someone will request a custom? 

 That said, these are prototypes, so who knows what will show up in the 
 final form. 

 Looking forward to it!

 Anyone ride the prototypes RoadUno frames at RivHQ? How does it compare 
 to the Quickbeam? or present offerings? 

 shoji
 arlington ma


 On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 5:05:56 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> The print does say for a chain tensioner or derailleur. That's quite 
> straight forward to me. Sun XCD does make a 120mm cassette hub. Customize 
> your own cog set and there 'ya go. 
>
> So why call it a Road-UNO ?  Because it can be a seamless single 
> speed and just because it can be used as such doesn't mean it 
> can't/shouldn't have a hanger for a tensioner or derailleur. It adds to 
> the 
> versatility of the frame, very good idea ! Don't let the 
> words/definitions/descriptions yank you're chain, so to speak. 
> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 10:58:19 PM UTC-5 velomann wrote:
>
>> Just dropping a little bomb here to see where the comments lead, for 
>> S**ts and giggles, mostly.
>>
>> The latest blagh shows the 3D printed track dropouts for the new 
>> Roaduno. It has a derailleur hanger. For a 120-spaced single speed. 
>>
>> Comments?
>>
>> (And to tag onto another posting ("choose two Rivendells") I own 
>> several bikes but only one Riv (last release of the Sam Hillborne.) I 
>> plan 
>> to do everything in my power to snag a purple Roaduno, regardless of 
>> dropout style. And at this point in my life that's the last new bike I 
>> plan 
>> to buy*
>>
>>
>> Mike M
>>
>> * But who am I fooling?
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: What's Good - Wide-ish/flared drops edition...

[Ben Mihovk]

Oooh...I like the looks of that. It's a contender!

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:05:41 AM UTC-6 maxcr wrote:

> Have you looked at the spank flare 25 from Analog? I rode them on one of 
> their demo bikes and it had a nice flare
>
>
> https://analogcycles.com/collections/bars/products/spank-flare-25-degree-bars?variant=42906531004648
>
> Max
> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:36:15 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hey everyone!
>> I posted earlier about reach in converting to a wider bar and decided to 
>> start a different conversation to get opinions on wide-ish, flared drops.
>>
>> I like the Nitto Noodle quite well, but I think I do want a little flare 
>> and I don't want to bend them myself. So what's good out there? I'm tempted 
>> by the Crust Towel Rack, but I'd love to hear what you all like.
>>
>> If it helps/matters, the kind of riding I do with the bike it's going is 
>> casual rails-to-trails, some rolling gravel roads, but nothing too 
>> technical or serious.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Ben
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: What's Good - Wide-ish/flared drops edition...

[maxcr]

Have you looked at the spank flare 25 from Analog? I rode them on one of 
their demo bikes and it had a nice flare

https://analogcycles.com/collections/bars/products/spank-flare-25-degree-bars?variant=42906531004648

Max
On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:36:15 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey everyone!
> I posted earlier about reach in converting to a wider bar and decided to 
> start a different conversation to get opinions on wide-ish, flared drops.
>
> I like the Nitto Noodle quite well, but I think I do want a little flare 
> and I don't want to bend them myself. So what's good out there? I'm tempted 
> by the Crust Towel Rack, but I'd love to hear what you all like.
>
> If it helps/matters, the kind of riding I do with the bike it's going is 
> casual rails-to-trails, some rolling gravel roads, but nothing too 
> technical or serious.
>
> Thanks!
> Ben
>

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Re: [RBW] If you convince Rivendell to bring back "one" former model

['Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Saluki as it started the 650b Rivendell excursion.  Also the Yves Gomez as 
I never had a chance to get one.  The AR should get honorable mention.  
On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 3:46:58 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> The only one that fit me was the Bombadil, so the Bomba it would be. The 
> parallel TT ones, but frankly it doesn't need it. It does make for a lift 
> though, and being a straight gauge tube I can clamp it there to my Feedback 
> workstand. I wouldn't pay more than $1700 for it though, not the over 
> inflated 3k it ended up being when it went full diagonal extra tubes. All 
> those extra tubes were unnecessary in real world riding though. 
>
> This said, I'm pretty sure anyone can contact Grant about having a 
> previous model made custom for not quite custom fee. It's not as if the 
> blueprints, the form, vanishes. So there really is no need to bring back 
> models as those models haven't gone anywhere. Consider them "off the menu" 
> , formerly "on the menu" models.  
> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:59:08 PM UTC-5 Bill Fulford wrote:
>
>> Bombadil, no question.
>>
>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:33:51 PM UTC-5 four...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> hands down, a Legolas.. ideally a Taiwan-made frame to save a little 
>>> coin..
>>>
>>> I just picked up a new-to-me Rambouillet, so I'm covered there for now.. 
>>> :) 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:12:54 PM UTC-8 jackd...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 My Hunqapillar is the favorite in the stable, but I think a case can 
 really be made to bring back the Bleriot. Classic geometry, MIT (I 
 believe) 
 to keep the price reasonable, and I'd argue that the decal 
  is the best 
 Riv has done. 

 On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 2:55:32 PM UTC-8 Drew Henson wrote:

> legolas OR a more classically styled country bike with close to level 
> top tube and shorter chain stays
>
> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 2:16:03 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:
>
>> I vote long stay version of Glorious and Hunqapillar in CLEAR COAT...
>>
>> I hope Grant is listening
>>
>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 03:11:33 PM MST, Mackenzy Albright <
>> mackenzy...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>
>>
>> All these threads about "choosing the one Riv" or "how do I pick 
>> which model" got me thinking. If you could convince Rivendell to 
>> resurrect 
>> one out of production modelwhich would you choose? 
>>
>> After acquiring a Clementine after a new Clem Smith Jr, I see merit 
>> of the geometry of the Clementine as a standalone step through that 
>> feels 
>> like a long wheelbase agile bike rather than a floaty surfboard. I 
>> absolutely adore both-but they're extraordinarily different, despite 
>> being 
>> a natural and logical evolution. I really enjoyed the reference of the 
>> thread "a tale of two clems" by Ding Ding! as I found similarities in my 
>> experience. 
>>
>> The evolution of Rivendell's is absolutely fascinating to me as there 
>> has never been a hang up for changing tried and true models. XO-1 - ALL 
>> Rounder - TOYO Atlantis - MUSA Atlantis - MIT Atlantis. People are still 
>> obsessive with each rendition of a concept over its evolution. 
>>
>>
>> SOoo long story short. I would choose the Hunqapillar. Hands down. 
>>
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[RBW] What's Good - Wide-ish/flared drops edition...

[Ben Mihovk]

Hey everyone!
I posted earlier about reach in converting to a wider bar and decided to 
start a different conversation to get opinions on wide-ish, flared drops.

I like the Nitto Noodle quite well, but I think I do want a little flare 
and I don't want to bend them myself. So what's good out there? I'm tempted 
by the Crust Towel Rack, but I'd love to hear what you all like.

If it helps/matters, the kind of riding I do with the bike it's going is 
casual rails-to-trails, some rolling gravel roads, but nothing too 
technical or serious.

Thanks!
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[RBW] Re: Pedals, MKS XC Bear Trap III vs. MKS Bubble Pedals

[Ryan Frahm]

The bear trap will get smoother over time but never match the Bubbly, the 
Bubbly is the smoothest pedal I’ve ever seen. I prefer the larger platform 
of the Bubbly (they are on my commuter) but haven’t bought a set to replace 
my bear trap pedals on my Susie. Nothing wrong with the bear traps at all. 

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 1:49:46 AM UTC-8 Garth wrote:

> Max,  your description sounds like they may be adjusted too tight, and/or 
> you're simply noticing a difference between the open and cartridge 
> bearings. Most pedals that I've owned didn't come with much grease either. 
> More grease until it oozes out the sides !  Then make sure the bearing 
> isn't loaded too much. Pedals from the factory are no guarantee of proper 
> adjustment, not unlike Shimano hubs. 
>
> As for the ability to spin, as long as it spins freely, it'll spin freely. 
> Don't bother comparing the "feel" to cartridge bearing hubs because they're 
> not cartridge bearings in the hubs. Neither bearing type means one will 
> spin better or worse than the other.
> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 1:50:12 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> I have the OG Suntours and they spin for days. Get a rebuilt pair plus 
>> add some vintage charm!
>>
>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:22:36 PM UTC-8 Jared Wilson wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Max,
>>>
>>> Can't speak to the "why" aspect, but you're not crazy in your 
>>> observation.
>>>
>>> We have (3) pairs of the BL BT III and (1) pair of the Bubbly pedals and 
>>> they're not in the same category. Not to say there's anything wrong with 
>>> the Bear Traps, but the Bubbly pedals are on an entirely different level.
>>>
>>> That said, either option good and you shouldn't regret your decision, 
>>> you did what works for the time being and maybe later on down the road you 
>>> get to try the alternative, but I wouldn't dwell on it all that much.
>>>
>>> Jared in SLO
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:05:10 PM UTC-8 maxcr wrote:
>>>
 Hi Everyone,

 I decided to get new pedals for the bike I'm building. First I went to 
 my LBS (Cambridge Bicycles) and they suggested the Simworks Bubbly pedals 
 - 
 I really liked the spin on them and the looks, but unfortunately they only 
 had the olives in stock. They sent me to the Simworks website, but the 
 polished were sold out. (Their next order was going to be in about a month 
 at best)

 Reading through the forum I saw good comments on the Blue Lug Bear Trap 
 III and ordered them in silver. 

 They arrived today and I'm surprised because they feel much less smooth 
 than the bubbly ones. To be fair they are much less expensive $62 vs $100 
 but still, is this normal?

 Is it the lack of sealed bearings that affects rotational performance?

 Will I feel a real difference if I go with one over the other?

 Thanks for your opinions and knowledge.

 Max in Boston

>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: lot nitto rack struts, p clamps

[James M]

No need for so many here, but love this! And that Wald ashtray 

On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 11:16:05 PM UTC-5 mma...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello, I have a lot of nitto rack struts with p clamps I'd like to sell. 
> Some of the clamps are missing rubber, some have hardware. What you see is 
> what you get. Asking $100.00 shipped in the CONUS for the lot, or hit me 
> with an offer if pricing is off. Thanks for looking!
> Lengths as follows; ~115mm 145mm 183mm 250mm 350mm
>
> [image: 52552134714_37a3c21aec_k.jpg]
>
> [image: 52551843281_a7ab7f207e_k.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: Pedals, MKS XC Bear Trap III vs. MKS Bubble Pedals

[Garth]

Max,  your description sounds like they may be adjusted too tight, and/or 
you're simply noticing a difference between the open and cartridge 
bearings. Most pedals that I've owned didn't come with much grease either. 
More grease until it oozes out the sides !  Then make sure the bearing 
isn't loaded too much. Pedals from the factory are no guarantee of proper 
adjustment, not unlike Shimano hubs. 

As for the ability to spin, as long as it spins freely, it'll spin freely. 
Don't bother comparing the "feel" to cartridge bearing hubs because they're 
not cartridge bearings in the hubs. Neither bearing type means one will 
spin better or worse than the other.
On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 1:50:12 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> I have the OG Suntours and they spin for days. Get a rebuilt pair plus add 
> some vintage charm!
>
> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:22:36 PM UTC-8 Jared Wilson wrote:
>
>> Hey Max,
>>
>> Can't speak to the "why" aspect, but you're not crazy in your observation.
>>
>> We have (3) pairs of the BL BT III and (1) pair of the Bubbly pedals and 
>> they're not in the same category. Not to say there's anything wrong with 
>> the Bear Traps, but the Bubbly pedals are on an entirely different level.
>>
>> That said, either option good and you shouldn't regret your decision, you 
>> did what works for the time being and maybe later on down the road you get 
>> to try the alternative, but I wouldn't dwell on it all that much.
>>
>> Jared in SLO
>>
>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:05:10 PM UTC-8 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>
>>> I decided to get new pedals for the bike I'm building. First I went to 
>>> my LBS (Cambridge Bicycles) and they suggested the Simworks Bubbly pedals - 
>>> I really liked the spin on them and the looks, but unfortunately they only 
>>> had the olives in stock. They sent me to the Simworks website, but the 
>>> polished were sold out. (Their next order was going to be in about a month 
>>> at best)
>>>
>>> Reading through the forum I saw good comments on the Blue Lug Bear Trap 
>>> III and ordered them in silver. 
>>>
>>> They arrived today and I'm surprised because they feel much less smooth 
>>> than the bubbly ones. To be fair they are much less expensive $62 vs $100 
>>> but still, is this normal?
>>>
>>> Is it the lack of sealed bearings that affects rotational performance?
>>>
>>> Will I feel a real difference if I go with one over the other?
>>>
>>> Thanks for your opinions and knowledge.
>>>
>>> Max in Boston
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] If you convince Rivendell to bring back "one" former model

[Garth]

The only one that fit me was the Bombadil, so the Bomba it would be. The 
parallel TT ones, but frankly it doesn't need it. It does make for a lift 
though, and being a straight gauge tube I can clamp it there to my Feedback 
workstand. I wouldn't pay more than $1700 for it though, not the over 
inflated 3k it ended up being when it went full diagonal extra tubes. All 
those extra tubes were unnecessary in real world riding though. 

This said, I'm pretty sure anyone can contact Grant about having a previous 
model made custom for not quite custom fee. It's not as if the blueprints, 
the form, vanishes. So there really is no need to bring back models as 
those models haven't gone anywhere. Consider them "off the menu" , formerly 
"on the menu" models.  
On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:59:08 PM UTC-5 Bill Fulford wrote:

> Bombadil, no question.
>
> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:33:51 PM UTC-5 four...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> hands down, a Legolas.. ideally a Taiwan-made frame to save a little 
>> coin..
>>
>> I just picked up a new-to-me Rambouillet, so I'm covered there for now.. 
>> :) 
>>
>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:12:54 PM UTC-8 jackd...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> My Hunqapillar is the favorite in the stable, but I think a case can 
>>> really be made to bring back the Bleriot. Classic geometry, MIT (I believe) 
>>> to keep the price reasonable, and I'd argue that the decal 
>>>  is the best Riv 
>>> has done. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 2:55:32 PM UTC-8 Drew Henson wrote:
>>>
 legolas OR a more classically styled country bike with close to level 
 top tube and shorter chain stays

 On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 2:16:03 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:

> I vote long stay version of Glorious and Hunqapillar in CLEAR COAT...
>
> I hope Grant is listening
>
> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 03:11:33 PM MST, Mackenzy Albright <
> mackenzy...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> All these threads about "choosing the one Riv" or "how do I pick which 
> model" got me thinking. If you could convince Rivendell to resurrect one 
> out of production modelwhich would you choose? 
>
> After acquiring a Clementine after a new Clem Smith Jr, I see merit of 
> the geometry of the Clementine as a standalone step through that feels 
> like 
> a long wheelbase agile bike rather than a floaty surfboard. I absolutely 
> adore both-but they're extraordinarily different, despite being a natural 
> and logical evolution. I really enjoyed the reference of the thread "a 
> tale 
> of two clems" by Ding Ding! as I found similarities in my experience. 
>
> The evolution of Rivendell's is absolutely fascinating to me as there 
> has never been a hang up for changing tried and true models. XO-1 - ALL 
> Rounder - TOYO Atlantis - MUSA Atlantis - MIT Atlantis. People are still 
> obsessive with each rendition of a concept over its evolution. 
>
>
> SOoo long story short. I would choose the Hunqapillar. Hands down. 
>
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