Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Timeline - it's happening!

Oh, this is exciting! I think Grant has/had the all-rounder category between the hillibikes and the country bikes. So the Atlantis/Appaloosa was an all-rounder whilst the Sam/Homer was a country bike. Unfortunately the nomenclature has been somewhat fluid along with the concepts of what certain

[RBW] Platypus ride report

Hi all, After many shortish 8-10mile rides, I finally did a real ride on the Platypus. over 20 miles, 37 degrees and rain for about half of it. It was actually a pleasant ride because almost no wind. If it was 5 degrees cooler or blowing, it would have been miserable and I would have cut it

[RBW] New Gus & bottom bracket confusion

I have decided to stick with a square taper crank, either White Eno or Riv Silver, and I have bottom bracket questions. Gus BB shell is 73 BSA. The bottom brackets they sell (Shimano & IRD) are 68. Riv says "use the 113 (spindle) if you have a mountain bike front derailleur." But, they also say

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Timeline - it's happening!

Jason, this is a really exciting idea! I appreciate your research, compiling and the handwriting chart from scratch. And Slin, it's amazing that you created the spreadsheet so detailed! I can't wait to see it is updated. Masa 2022年12月12日月曜日 20:02:04 UTC+9 brendonoid: > Oh, this is exciting! >

Re: [RBW] Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[image: 61977D70-55E2-4782-A93A-A8333171AFD6.jpeg][image: 7A5D4923-2037-4ACB-81D6-3091B473A0FB.jpeg]My two Hunqs -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an

[RBW] Re: San Francisco/Bay Area Riv Riders

Hi Luke! I'm also in the city and would love to meet up with folks for a chill ride. S On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 9:16:48 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote: > Hey all! I know that it’s been a bit wet & cold, but I’d love to see if > anyone would want to have a little ride in the coming

Re: [RBW] Re: San Francisco/Bay Area Riv Riders

In Oakland but I’m in, also wondering if anyone would be interested in a Lake Chabot ride sometime. On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 8:05 AM Piaw Na wrote: > I'm down in the Peninsula. Traditionally the club ride is to climb Mt. > Hamilton on New Year's Day, but with 2 kids I'm unlikely to make it. If

[RBW] Re: New Gus & bottom bracket confusion

No offense, but you're asking RBW business questions that would be addressed by them. Call them ! They don't bite. On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 10:11:44 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote: > I have decided to stick with a square taper crank, either White Eno or Riv > Silver, and I have bottom

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Timeline - it's happening!

Olivier Chetelat’s photos of the proto-Appaloosa are located here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/olipop/8418423327/in/photostream/ On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 2:47:21 PM UTC-8 Chris L wrote: > The Mystery Bike/Appaloosa happened shortly after I discovered RBW, so > 2012'ish sounds about

Re: [RBW] Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

Cool pair of Hunqs! are the forks different? Or is it just the photo angle that makes the curve on the fork on the one with the black saddle look different? On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 6:56:43 AM UTC-5 Dick Combs wrote: > [image: 61977D70-55E2-4782-A93A-A8333171AFD6.jpeg][image: >

[RBW] Re: Nivex on a Rivendell?

Marty! Thank you for sharing this here. I’ve often admired Jan’s rig with the Nivex and wanted a production version for myself. It’s beautiful and to the point and what’s more – I want one! Should I tire of my three pulley Suntour (and want to pony up for a frame modification + repaint), I’d

[RBW] Re: FS: 58 cm Green Quickbeam

Crickets on this, and it just relisted on eBay. I can sell just the frameset and rear wheel independent of each other. On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 7:11:54 AM UTC-6 Conway Bennett wrote: > I have an embarrassment of riches, and I don't have time or desire to make > granular decisions about

Re: [RBW] New Gus shipping from Canada

Shouldn't the dealer be able to answer that for you? Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 10:34 AM, Jacob Byard wrote: I bought my Gus from C Cycles out of Montreal. They shipped it to me (Pennsylvania) via UPS. I think it took 3 days? UPS sent me the bill for import

[RBW] Re: San Francisco/Bay Area Riv Riders

I'm down in the Peninsula. Traditionally the club ride is to climb Mt. Hamilton on New Year's Day, but with 2 kids I'm unlikely to make it. If you do come down to the Peninsula we can try to do something. On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 7:47:49 AM UTC-8 Slin wrote: > Hi Luke! > > I'm also in

[RBW] Re: Nivex on a Rivendell?

I hereby submit a pre-emptive APPROVE to the first person to run a Nivex RD on a Rivendell. Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 7:57:26 AM UTC-8 Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA wrote: > The Nivex is on the market now, and I really like the look of it. Even at >

[RBW] Re: Platypus ride report

Thanks for sharing, Tom. I'm glad to hear you've gotten some nice miles on the new Platypus. It really is "a big floaty couch" with a cruisy zoomy feel. I was interested to read your impressions on the handling change going from a bar bag to a rack bag, even with what sounds like a light load.

Re: [RBW] New Gus shipping from Canada

I bought my Gus from C Cycles out of Montreal. They shipped it to me (Pennsylvania) via UPS. I think it took 3 days? UPS sent me the bill for import fees and I think it was around $50. Dead simple process. Cheers,JacobSent from my iPhoneOn Dec 12, 2022, at 12:01 PM, Richard Rose wrote:Yes, the

Re: [RBW] Heron Poster

Heron poster SOLD and on its way to a new home! --Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy > On Dec 12, 2022, at 9:39 AM, Eliot B wrote: > > I’ll take it. > > On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 8:27:37 AM UTC-8 campyo...@me.com wrote: >> How about

Re: [RBW] Re: Nivex on a Rivendell?

That's a really cool bit, yet it's a lot to spend just to be different and stylish. What's the functional benefit to investing in one? Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 10:25 AM, James M wrote: Pretty cool - but another $250 for the shift lever.  Still great to see

Re: [RBW] Saddle height and BPH

If you put the heel of your foot on the pedal and rotate it to the furthest point away from you, you should be just about locked out. When you then put the ball of your foot on the pedal like you normally ride, you will be just shy of full extension which should be a good ball park. You want

[RBW] Re: New Gus & bottom bracket confusion

Oh I agree & believe me I call them a lot! I just thought the collective brain power of this group might give me an answer before they wake up in California. On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 10:41:25 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote: > No offense, but you're asking RBW business questions that would be >

[RBW] Re: Nivex on a Rivendell?

Pretty cool - but another $250 for the shift lever. Still great to see components like this being made! On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 10:57:26 AM UTC-5 Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA wrote: > The Nivex is on the market now, and I really like the look of it. Even at > $729.00 it feels like

[RBW] Re: FS: Heron Poster

I’ll take it. On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 8:27:37 AM UTC-8 campyo...@me.com wrote: > How about $30 shipped in the USA? Nice condition—a few tiny holes where it > was pinned to a wall. I have neither a Heron nor the wall space for this, > so I’m looking to get it to someone who will display

Re: [RBW] New Gus shipping from Canada

Pm’ed you Jacob.Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 12, 2022, at 12:34 PM, Jacob Byard wrote:I bought my Gus from C Cycles out of Montreal. They shipped it to me (Pennsylvania) via UPS. I think it took 3 days? UPS sent me the bill for import fees and I think it was around $50. Dead simple process. 

Re: [RBW] Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

They are the same, both the originals that came with the frame On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 11:24:59 AM UTC-5 J J wrote: > Cool pair of Hunqs! are the forks different? Or is it just the photo angle > that makes the curve on the fork on the one with the black saddle look > different? > > On

Re: [RBW] Re: New Gus & bottom bracket confusion

The forum, in part, is a good starting point for trivial questions like yours, Richard. If you aren't satisfied with answers, or lack there of, here then, of course, Riv is another option to seek an answer. You haven't committed a party foul, IMHO... I'm faced with same issue, since I have a

[RBW] Nivex on a Rivendell?

The Nivex is on the market now, and I really like the look of it. Even at $729.00 it feels like money well spent if you want something a little different and appreciate all that goes into making something like this. KUDOs to Jan for sticking with it. Nivex Rear

[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

Bombadil and Hunqapillar—two of the best names (among some really good ones) in the Rivendell lineup. When I was contemplating my first Rivendell (it was an Atlantis) they were selling an unpainted 48cm Bomba frame for a good price. So tempting. One of the details that got to me was the lug

[RBW] Saddle height and BPH

I just took delivery of a new (non-Riv) bike and am dialing in the fit. I’m a little worried that the frame is too big for me, since I only have maybe 2” standover, which seems tight for a gravel bike. So I went out and measured the saddle height on my Hunq (which is a size 62). It came in at

[RBW] New Gus shipping from Canada

Yes, the Gus I found is at a Riv dealer in Canada. Having googled until I cannot stand it anymore I ask; anyone have experience with "clearance" fees associated with importing a bicycle frame from Canada? The closest I have come to uncovering the cost is that items valued under $2,500.00 US are

Re: [RBW] Saddle height and BPH

Please note the typo in the subject heading - I am referring to PBH (pubic bone height) and not BPH (benign prostatic hypertrophy) which is another, separate factor of potential interest to bike riding men of a certain age…Sent from my Atari 400On Dec 12, 2022, at 9:49 AM, Jay Lonner wrote:I

Re: [RBW] Saddle height and BPH

Standover is generally a non-issue and should be of limited consideration for fit purposes, all things being equal. I do believe your saddle height has been very low based on the fact that I have an 83cm PBH and run a height of 72cm. The Riv guidance looks to be within expected range.

[RBW] Re: New Gus shipping from Canada

Last time I checked (2019), US has an $800 tax and duty exempt limit for purchases made outside the country (i.e. mail order).. Anything above is liable for State taxes however in reality this is rarely enforced. On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 12:01:23 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote: >

Re: [RBW] Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

I've often wondered what made the Hunq the "less expensive Bombadil" given the tubing being as Grant calls "the most expensive tubes around". I'm assuming it was based on it being MIT and the Bomba being a MUSA frame? IF so, were they equally priced once the Hunq moved to MUSA Waterford,

Re: [RBW] Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

Sure thing Laing, so the Bombadil was more ornate with the lug profile? On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 1:32:41 PM UTC-6 lconley wrote: > For one thing, the Hunqapillar did not have the lower head tube - down > tube lug extension like the Bombadil. > > Laing > > On Monday, December 12, 2022 at

Re: [RBW] Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

Hunqapillars we're $1850 in 2011 when I became aware of them. I paid $2000 for a used 650b which was the final iteration. I feel like it cost $2500 new. On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 1:32:41 PM UTC-6 lconley wrote: > For one thing, the Hunqapillar did not have the lower head tube - down >

Re: [RBW] Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

I have that poster signed by Grant and framed. Fair winds, Captain Conway Bennett 239.877.4119 On Mon, Dec 12, 2022, 2:23 PM Eric Marth wrote: > I'm enjoying the discussion, pics and details! > > Does anyone have a higher-res version of this absurd Hunq poster? > > [image:

Re: [RBW] Re: New Gus & bottom bracket confusion

It's certainly a valid Riv Bunch topic and one I expected to see shortly after Crust sold their new batch of frames. The knowledge bank on what works in the 73mm BB shells of these two Riv models is not deep. On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 10:24:59 AM UTC-8 Scott wrote: > The forum, in part,

[RBW] Re: FOR SALE: 110 BCB CHAIN RINGS

STILL FOR SALE On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 4:45:00 PM UTC-4 Charlie wrote: > he last item as NOT 30 it is 34 teeth > So sorry for mistake > Charlie > > > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 4:15:50 PM UTC-4 Charlie wrote: > >> $15 EACH + SHIPPING $16 ALL OR 1 CASH OR USPS MONEY ORDER (POST

[RBW] Re: Saddle height and BPH

IME, there's no objective way to get the "right" saddle height, but the Riv method gets me in the ballpark. I do change my saddle height +/- a cm or so, even on the same bike, depending on the kind of riding I'm doing (single track vs path/road/gravel) and how flexible I'm feeling at any given

Re: [RBW] Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

For one thing, the Hunqapillar did not have the lower head tube - down tube lug extension like the Bombadil. Laing On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 2:29:05 PM UTC-5 jasonz...@gmail.com wrote: > I've often wondered what made the Hunq the "less expensive Bombadil" given > the tubing being as

Re: [RBW] Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

There was an actual additional piece of steel. It looks like a longer lug in paint, but if one of raw, clear coated frames, you can see that is an addition piece of metal. [image: bomb2 (2).jpg] Laing On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 2:38:07 PM UTC-5 jasonz...@gmail.com wrote: > Sure thing

Re: [RBW] Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

I discussed the history of Hunqapillar pricing in another recent thread . It started out at $1,500 and incrementally rose to $2,350. As far as I can ascertain from the Wayback archive, the most the Bombadil went for was

Re: [RBW] Re: San Francisco/Bay Area Riv Riders

It’d be a lot of fun to ride with members of this forum in each respective area of the Bay (Oakland, Peninsula, etc.). Perhaps a tentative end of the year/beginning of the year ride for starters? I say this selfishly because I’ll be out of the City until later this month! As such, I propose a

Re: [RBW] Re: San Francisco/Bay Area Riv Riders

I'd be into this, but probably couldn't make the first one due to some other commitments. I weirdly split my time between SF and RWC, but primarily ride my Sam on the Peninsula. On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 10:51:50 AM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote: > It’d be a lot of fun to ride with

Re: [RBW] Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

This is certainly an interesting and complex question and I am in no position to provide any answers or guidance but think it's further complicated by overall cost changes over time and how it's been mentioned before how some of the Tolkien models like Bombadil & Legolas essentially became off

Re: [RBW] Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

I'm enjoying the discussion, pics and details! Does anyone have a higher-res version of this absurd Hunq poster? [image: 440ebc01ea30bd8ba7f7e5328708bea2--urban-life-bicycle-art.jpg] On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:11:30 PM UTC-5 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote: > This is certainly an interesting

[RBW] Re: Saddle height and BPH

I have never understood why any body is concerned "saddle height" which as I understand it is the distance from the CL of the crank to the top of the saddle, inline with the seat tube. It is very hard to measure from the center of the crank and what if you have bikes with different crank

Re: [RBW] Saddle height and BPH

I'm about your same size (36"/91cm PBH), but I run a 32"/81cm saddle height (bottom bracket center to top of my (of course) level saddle). I couldn't imagine pedaling with my saddle 6cm lower. When I played around with mid foot pedaling, I found I had to drop my saddle, but less than an inch.

[RBW] Re: Saddle height and BPH

Laing - I agree with you about the crank length. But then, I'm old and have dealt with the issues of frame size v. saddle height v. crank length so many times over the years that I can't recall them all. Nevertheless, I seem to have dialed into some kind of combination of these that I have

[RBW] Re: Nivex on a Rivendell?

The "custom Rivendell" part is key as it requires the chainstay braze-on for the RD mount rather than the standard dropout hanger mount. -Dave On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 10:57:26 AM UTC-5 Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA wrote: > The Nivex is on the market now, and I really like the look of

[RBW] Re: Nivex on a Rivendell?

Except that the shift levers are sold out! Laing On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 12:25:16 PM UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com wrote: > Pretty cool - but another $250 for the shift lever. Still great to see > components like this being made! > > On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 10:57:26 AM UTC-5 Marty

[RBW] Re: Saddle height and BPH

Like others have intimated, it sounds as if you’ve been running your saddle much lower than recommended. I would suggest measuring your PBH one more time with an assistant to be absolutely sure it’s correct, then adjust your saddle to PBH minus 10-10.5 cm. Alternatively, you could use the

Re: [RBW] Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

I had it on the wall in my office for years. I've never heard it mentioned, but one of the early Hunqapillar brochures showed three colors they had planned for the heat tube and decals, red/maroon, orange and blue, which apparently didn't make the cut. The three Mammoths on the poster seem

Re: [RBW] Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

I may have shared this years ago, but when the idea of a diagatube Hunq was floated out there, I took the liberty of photoshopping the concept based on the double top tube model. That led to a conversation with Grant and a whole bunch of quick iterations for different paint and graphic details.

[RBW] Re: Platypus ride report

Hi Dave, I was quite surprised at the handling difference as well. I went from a heavy canvas military surplus bag attached to the handlebars to a light mini rack that attaches to the brake posts and a very light low basket from a 1950's office paper in box, or was it an out box? The weight is

Re: [RBW] Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

Our peerless site admin has a whole Bombadil page here: http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/bombadil/index.html, which goes back to RR 39 and the prot-velo Bombas. jim m walnut creek, ca On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 1:06:23 PM UTC-8 Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA wrote: > I may have shared this

[RBW] Swift Jr. Rangers coyote & Dyad SS "DOS" wheelset

I have these two listed at crust but discounted pricing here as I have yet to add any real value to this community and feel shameful for constantly plugging my overstock gear. Please DM me with questions or comments. FS: Hands on Wheels (Rich @ Rivendell) built wheelset: $775.00

[RBW] Re: Saddle height and BPH

Laing, I've puzzled about how to take crank length into account and this seems like a great idea. I'll give it a try. But at the end of the day, anything that is a fairly reproducible number for an individual gets the job done. I have a seamstress tape with a little rivet on the end that grabs

[RBW] Re: Nivex on a Rivendell?

I'm all peanut gallery on this one. I'm reminded of a Canadian rock band I listened to as a teen named Max Webster. They had an album called "High Class in Borrowed Shoes". I never really related much to that title until right now.. and how underneath the inflated image of "high class"

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Timeline - it's happening!

Joe, we now all know you can only ride singletrack on a full suspension bike with a dropper post nowadays...everything else is underbiking. Ha, I write in jest. The Rivendell timeline is neat to see. Most of the names on the list are fantastic names for bikes! On Monday, December 12, 2022 at

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Timeline - it's happening!

With an electric motor! 藍 On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 5:38:27 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote: > Joe, we now all know you can only ride singletrack on a full suspension > bike with a dropper post nowadays...everything else is underbiking. Ha, I > write in jest. The Rivendell timeline is neat to

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Timeline - it's happening!

Yeah, I totally agree that the bikes have been categorized different ways over the years. I quickly threw the spreadsheet together and thought I was using the categories on the current rivbike.com - 'Roadish' , 'Touring & Trailish', and 'Comboish - Country Bikes'. The names are different, but

Re: [RBW] Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

The Bombadil(60 cm w/700c wheels, parallel TT) is the only frame I really much paid attention to and bought, albeit from a list member in 2011. I'm pretty sure they were all customer choice paint jobs, save and specials, returns, cancels and such. I recall also that the Bomba tubes were heat

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Timeline - it's happening!

Then there's the pre-Rivendell timeline which has an article in a Bridgestone catalogue by Chris Kostman about "underbiking"..he was riding an RB-1 with skinny slicks on singletrack. Which Grant design is a Hillibike? All of them!  On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 2:44:53 PM UTC-8 Slin wrote:

[RBW] Re: Platypus v Susie Longbolts Comparison

I'll give it a go... Prerequisites: 56cm Susie, 59cm Susie, 60cm Cheviot and 60cm Platypus I think you're on the right track with the similarities between these two models, they ride much the same with, IMO, the main difference being the max tire size and front load-abliity. The Platypus

[RBW] Re: Platypus v Susie Longbolts Comparison

Wow, Jared! What a great way to get us started off. Thanks for sharing! Interesting that moving "up" to the Susie which can handle bigger tires, you're itching to move back "down" to the max tire size for the Platy! Also, I love that this world exists where one can write "Leah's dual Platypus

[RBW] Re: San Francisco/Bay Area Riv Riders

into it. 31st or 1st works for me if it gets nailed down. On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 8:08:17 PM UTC-8 Jay P wrote: > I'd also appreciate the invitation for Bay Area rides and to meet some of > yous > > Jay P > > Marin > > On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 9:16:48 PM UTC-8 Luke

[RBW] Re: FS: White T11/DT R460 wheels, gamma pedals, So bars, Paul Canti brakes, etc.

Canti brakes, VO mount, and Paul rack mounts are sold. On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 8:02:40 PM UTC-6 Trevor Oleniuk wrote: > I am looking to clear out some bike parts, which won't work on my current > lot of bikes. All prices in *Canadian dollars*, do not include shipping > or paypal fees.

Re: [RBW] Craigslist Alert ! - 2022 Rivendell Gus Boots Wilson - $2,000

Well damn.:)Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 12, 2022, at 9:49 PM, Kim Hetzel wrote:This was posted 29 days. https://knoxville.craigslist.org/bik/d/greenville-2022-rivendell-gus-boots/7557073606.html It might be worth a call before you do a happy dance. Contact phone: (864) 884-4957Kim HetzelYelm,

[RBW] Re: San Francisco/Bay Area Riv Riders

I'd also appreciate the invitation for Bay Area rides and to meet some of yous Jay P Marin On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 9:16:48 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote: > Hey all! I know that it’s been a bit wet & cold, but I’d love to see if > anyone would want to have a little ride in the

[RBW] Craigslist Alert ! - 2022 Rivendell Gus Boots Wilson - $2,000

This was posted 29 days. https://knoxville.craigslist.org/bik/d/greenville-2022-rivendell-gus-boots/7557073606.html It might be worth a call before you do a happy dance. Contact phone: (864) 884-4957 Kim Hetzel Yelm, WA. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google

[RBW] Re: Platypus v Susie Longbolts Comparison

I've only owned/ridden a Susie so my only input is I'm fairly certain it has a shallower headtube angle than Platypus, this might account for a front load causing more floppiness on the Susie. On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 7:57:20 PM UTC-8 bei...@gmail.com wrote: > Wow, Jared! What a great

Re: [RBW] Re: How you choose 2 Rivendells?

Jim, thank you for your message! It was really interesting to read how you compare the "shorter" wheelbase Rivs and the current longer ones. It's fun to compare and study (even being obsessed sometimes) about the geometries but on the other hand as you quoted there are many factors beyond

[RBW] Re: San Francisco/Bay Area Riv Riders

Eric – it’d be fun to ch3ck out your neck of the woods. Jay – into it. Also suuuper game for Marin-based rides, too. I love it up there. Just did Bolinas Ridge on my Atlantis. Zac – sick! It goes without saying that having a Riv or riding a Riv to hang out is super not required. On Monday,