Re: [RBW] Re: You live on a 15% hill, you don't need a singlespeed......

2010-07-17 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Well, I just measured saddle setback and found it fully a cm or more back than my already far back normal measurement of 3 1/2 (71* sa instead of my others' 73) and I changed that. I'll see what a bit more forward does. And, I adjusted the wheel circumference measurement; not by a huge amount but

Re: [RBW] Re: How do you Southerners do this?

2010-07-17 Thread Dan Abelson
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 8:23 PM, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Wednesday, it was hot and humid enough here in the Twin Cities I took the day off from riding. The dewpoint ended up at 77 degrees. Temp about 91 and heat index of 106. Although will admit we're usually not in the DC category.

[RBW] Schwalbe Dureme Supply, and others

2010-07-17 Thread Garth
I've been trying to track down some 28x2.0 Duremes, and it seems even Schwalbe is out, and they have no idea when they'll be in stock again. . other than 8 weeks minimum. Not what I wanted to hear. So, I started looking outside the US, but only found one place that had modest shipping costs.

[RBW] Re: How do you Southerners do this?

2010-07-17 Thread SISDDWG
Michael: I live one block off the Pacific Hwy. in Montara, CA about 20 miles south of S.F. The temp here almost never gets above 70 degrees. San Diego has the most perfect weather in the entire USA. Beautiful any time of the year. I lived most of my life in New Orleans where the temp and humidity

[RBW] Re: You live on a 15% hill, you don't need a singlespeed......

2010-07-17 Thread Garth
There's always another frame. Wait until the bids are done, you may not feel so bad. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group,

[RBW] Re: Friday Mixed Terrain Ride Report

2010-07-17 Thread Mike
Looks like a great ride. Glad you're enjoying the bike and putting it to good use. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group,

[RBW] Re: How do you Southerners do this?

2010-07-17 Thread Garth
I deal with it by taking a small towel and/or bandanna with me to wipe the sweat off. The towel works great for a quick stop to dry off, especially after a big hill, and I have lots of them around my home so I usually just end up holding the towel in my hands the whole time. I'm old school

Re: [RBW] Re: You live on a 15% hill, you don't need a singlespeed......

2010-07-17 Thread Andreas Taenzer
You totally need it. Hope that helps. There are three roads to my house: 1) 18% 2) 14% 3) 13% The bike I road most is my quickbeam (fixed). Actually, some when last week I passed the 25,000 mile mark on the 'beam. Have to celebrate and treat it to a new handlebar wrap... but that harlekin wrap

[RBW] Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.

2010-07-17 Thread Powderpiggy
I plan to purchase a Betty FoyI have been oggling the Betty Foy's online since as long as they have been around, and the Glorius before her. This would be my first Riv (and probably only as I don't have huge expendable income). This is a major purchase form me so I am thinking it would be

[RBW] Re: Silver shifter break apart diagram

2010-07-17 Thread David T.
I had that happen, I looked at the other one to figure it out. After I spent about half an hour finding the little spring on the carpet. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to

[RBW] Re: Maximum Honjo fender size compatible with Silver Sidepull and/or Paul Racer brakes

2010-07-17 Thread Powderpiggy
So I am planning to purchase a betty foy and wanted to put Hetres on it. Did you find a problem with brake clearance and fenders large enough to accommodate the hetres? On Jun 24, 1:45 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: I'm getting a Betty Foy for my daughters to ride (and me to use

[RBW] Re: You live on a 15% hill, you don't need a singlespeed......

2010-07-17 Thread David T.
I just looked up something that I read in Frank Berto’s book: “With a cyclist’s entire weight on the pedal, the maximum rideable gear in inches is seven times the slope denominator. Thus, a 1-in-10 incline requires a 70-inch gear.” (In other words, on a 10 % slope, with all your weight on the

[RBW] Re: Schwalbe Dureme Supply, and others

2010-07-17 Thread Michael_S
catchy web address name. It seems lately with the Pound and Euro down against the dollar that buying from Europe is much more commonplace. I have done it many times. ~Mike~ On Jul 16, 11:06 am, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: I've been trying to track down some 28x2.0 Duremes, and it seems

[RBW] S24O: tent or no tent?

2010-07-17 Thread Mike
So tent or no tent for an S24O? This is actually more of a +24O where I'm gonna do approx 60 miles the first day and maybe 100+ the second day, taking in SW portions of the Mt Hood National Forest. I'm tentatively planning on camping by a lake so I'm thinking there's gonna be mosquitos so I'm

[RBW] Re: How do you Southerners do this?

2010-07-17 Thread MichaelH
At about 3:00 AM this morning I realized that the absence of home AC is probably a big difference between VT NM. I estimate that I've lost the equivalent of 2 hours sleep every night for the past two weeks. Hard to recover from that and feel like yourself on a bicycle. michael On Jul 16, 10:48 

Re: [RBW] Re: You live on a 15% hill, you don't need a singlespeed......

2010-07-17 Thread PATRICK MOORE
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 6:56 PM, David T. davidtren...@yahoo.ca wrote: But I can say, in my experience, riding a single-speed bike will gradually make you a better climber, so that after maybe six months or a year, you can go up hills quicker and easier than you would have done previously

Re: [RBW] Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.

2010-07-17 Thread PATRICK MOORE
First, I'd get a cassette hub instead of a fw hub; much easier to find replacement clusters. Perhaps others know something I don't and fws are easier to find that I know, but one certainly sees more ads for cassettes than for fws. As to PW quality: My 1999 custom Joe Starck road fixied turned

Re: [RBW] S24O: tent or no tent?

2010-07-17 Thread cyclotourist
I've never used a tent on S24Os, but don't live in OR... try leaving it if the forecast is solid. On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 7:27 AM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: So tent or no tent for an S24O? This is actually more of a +24O where I'm gonna do approx 60 miles the first day and maybe 100+ the

Re: [RBW] Re: How do you Southerners do this?

2010-07-17 Thread PATRICK MOORE
On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 8:38 AM, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: At about 3:00 AM this morning I realized that the absence of home AC is probably a big difference between VT NM. I estimate that I've lost the equivalent of 2 hours sleep every night for the past two weeks. Hard to recover

[RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.

2010-07-17 Thread Patrick in VT
On Jul 16, 5:02 pm, Powderpiggy ke...@mid-columbia-coho.net wrote:  I am hugely intimdated by the cost but am intreged with the 'Riv' Phil Wood hubs that work with a freewheel.   I have no experience in this area as my only bike has a cassette. phil hubs are great. and so are white

[RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.

2010-07-17 Thread SISDDWG
You're on target about upgrading wheels. I have two bikes with Phil Wood freewheel hubs. Other than a polish now and then I haven't touched them in twelve years! Freewheel hubs are less expensive than the cassette hubs and there still seems to be a good availability of freewheels. Unless the Phils

[RBW] Re: S24O: tent or no tent?

2010-07-17 Thread Jim Cloud
If mosquitos are a significant concern, I'd suggest that you carry a tent. Most of my camping experiences (backpacking and bicycle touring) have included a tent. I've always had a small backpacking tent which was lightweight and easy to carry (currently an older Sierra Designs Flashlight model,

Re: [RBW] Re: S24O: tent or no tent?

2010-07-17 Thread Bill Connell
I'm with Jim. Weather- and weight-wise there's no reason to carry a tent this time of year around here, but i'd do it just for the bugs after dark. When shopping for a family tent earlier this year, my 2 main criteria were very good ventilation for hot buggy nights, and full coverage with the rain

[RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.

2010-07-17 Thread rperks
I love mine, five or 6 speeds in the rear is all I seem to need. I think with the Foy you can get a dishless 7 speed wheel build that will be very strong and last a very long time as others have stated. If you are heavy or plan to load the rear the benifits of added strength and even spoke length

[RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.

2010-07-17 Thread jamison brosseau
i would get a non budget shimano wheelset. those hubs last a long time, and with the money you save, you can afford to outfit your bike with all the racks and bags you will need. jamison On Jul 17, 11:30 am, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote: I love mine, five or 6 speeds in the rear is all I

[RBW] Rivendell as a beater bike?

2010-07-17 Thread manueljohnacosta
Grant's new post intrigued some thoughts within my weary brain. Found on the Rivendell site. Now almost every bike abovet $300 has a shock fork and almost no bike below a Surly is steel. Fuji has one. Raleigh has eleven. Raleigh's slogan in the ancient days, way before mom and dad met, was The

[RBW] Re: Rivendell as a beater bike?

2010-07-17 Thread eflayer
From a list member I recently purchased an SS coupled Rambouillet. The bike was used quite a bit and came to me with numerous paint chips. But it still looks damn good in its green and cream paint. I took on its first trip of 500 miles a few weeks ago. Packed in the case, unpacked it and indeed

Re: [RBW] Re: found on the interwebs: SRAM Rival 170mm 110bcd Compact double crankset

2010-07-17 Thread cyclotourist
Hi Jeremy, here's a pic of the chainline: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4801716397/ On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Jeremy Till jeremy.t...@gmail.com wrote: Hey David, what are your chainlines with this crankset? On Jul 16, 8:10 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:

[RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.

2010-07-17 Thread muckum
Yes, they are worth it - if you like stuff that will out live you that you can pass on to a special person. IRD makes great freewheels and parts. On Jul 16, 2:02 pm, Powderpiggy ke...@mid-columbia-coho.net wrote: I plan to purchase a Betty FoyI have been oggling the Betty Foy's online

[RBW] Re: Rivendell as a beater bike?

2010-07-17 Thread Justin August
I thought Grant's little musings were nice -and reassuring given my recent Bleriot purchase - but I wonder if he's being obtuse and purposefully ignoring the Velo-Orange Polyvalent or finds something seriously wrong with it. On Jul 17, 12:08 pm, manueljohnacosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com

[RBW] Re: You live on a 15% hill, you don't need a singlespeed......

2010-07-17 Thread William
I am not sure how people know the grade of a hill either, other than just by eyeballing it. I would just eyeball it if it weren't right in front of my house. In fact the hill up to my house is the kind that I have generally avoided on bike rides. I've never ridden a bicycle up Moser or

[RBW] Re: Rivendell as a beater bike?

2010-07-17 Thread Johnny Alien
My guess is that with tires, stem, handlebars, tires, etc, etc that the VO Poly gets up to $1000 pretty easy which is the cost of the Surly he mentions. On Jul 17, 1:12 pm, Justin August justinaug...@gmail.com wrote: I thought Grant's little musings were nice -and reassuring given my recent

[RBW] Dura-Ace vs Ultegra front bar-end shifter

2010-07-17 Thread Thomas Lynn Skean
Hi, all. Does anyone know what, if anything, is the difference between the front/left/friction-only shifters of the Dura Ace (9spd, SL-BS77, I believe) and the Ultegra (8spd, SL-BS64, I believe) sets that RBW sells? Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean -- You received this message because you are

[RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.

2010-07-17 Thread andy
Yes, They are worth it. I have ridden thousands of problem free miles on phil hubs, I got my first set in the mid 1970s and they are still running. On Jul 16, 5:02 pm, Powderpiggy ke...@mid-columbia-coho.net wrote: I plan to purchase a Betty FoyI have been oggling the Betty Foy's online

[RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.

2010-07-17 Thread Ginz
If you are fine with 7 speed and, especially if you are using the Silver bar end shifters, the Phils are fantastic. 7 speed index shifters and 8 speed freewheels are almost non existent. So, that's why I raise that issue. 7speed freewheels are still very available and relatively cheap. If you

Re: [RBW] Dura-Ace vs Ultegra front bar-end shifter

2010-07-17 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Sat, 2010-07-17 at 13:59 -0500, Thomas Lynn Skean wrote: Hi, all. Does anyone know what, if anything, is the difference between the front/left/friction-only shifters of the Dura Ace (9spd, SL-BS77, I believe) and the Ultegra (8spd, SL-BS64, I believe) sets that RBW sells? The color of

Re: [RBW] Re: You live on a 15% hill, you don't need a singlespeed......

2010-07-17 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Sat, 2010-07-17 at 10:55 -0700, William wrote: I am not sure how people know the grade of a hill either, other than just by eyeballing it. Plot it in ridewithgps.com, then run your mouse pointer over the elevation diagram at the bottom of the screen and observe the numbers indicated. --

Re: [RBW] Dura-Ace vs Ultegra front bar-end shifter

2010-07-17 Thread Thomas Lynn Skean
Kinda what I thought. Thanks! Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On Jul 17, 2010, at 2:51 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Sat, 2010-07-17 at 13:59 -0500, Thomas Lynn Skean wrote: Hi, all. Does anyone know what, if anything, is the difference between the front/left/friction-only

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell as a beater bike?

2010-07-17 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Why impute or wonder about base motives? I am a writer; I know that one often writes from the hip and only after hitting send (so to speak) remembers that there is also this or that that one ought to have mentioned. I expect Grant didn't spend hours analyzing his statement-to-be. and there is no

Re: [RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.

2010-07-17 Thread Bruce
I have Phil hubs (FW) on the Ram and White Ind hubs on the Saluki. Both have been excellent, and cost the same or less than some racer type hubs you'll see. The Phils are heavier. FWs are readily available. Try Loosescrews.com for old stuff like 7 speed shifters or FWs, or Ebay. Tons of stuff

Re: [RBW] S24O: tent or no tent?

2010-07-17 Thread Anne Paulson
On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 7:27 AM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: So tent or no tent for an S24O? I just got back from a S25O fifteen minutes ago. I was very glad of my tent-- mosquitos AND flies AND some kind of swarming beetle made me happy to be able to retreat at the end of the day. The next

Re: [RBW] S24O: tent or no tent?

2010-07-17 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Sat, 2010-07-17 at 14:00 -0700, Anne Paulson wrote: I tested out my new alcohol stove. I'm happy to report that my experiment with pancakes spread with Nutella was a huge success, and that recipe will now be included in my touring repertoire. Why alcohol rather than any of the

[RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.

2010-07-17 Thread Ginz
i think that there is one additional consideration: If you ever want indexed shifting, better get a cassette hub. That is not to say you SHOULD ever want index shifting on that bike or that you will ever NEED it. You won't find an 8 speed freewheel, nor will you find 7 speed indexed bar end

[RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.

2010-07-17 Thread Tim McNamara
On Jul 16, 2010, at 4:02 PM, Powderpiggy wrote: Are the Phil Wood hubs really worth the money? I have one bike (tandem) with a 1984 Phil rear hub. It has never needed servicing. I have another bike (Rivendell) with 14 year old Phil hubs; they too have never needed servicing. Ditto the

[RBW] Re: You live on a 15% hill, you don't need a singlespeed......

2010-07-17 Thread Justin August
When I lived at the corner of Fillmore and Oak in San Francisco there was no way to avoid an insane hill - all four sides were bananas. The Haight Wiggle helped some but there was always some uncomfortable grunting at the end of my commute home. On Jul 17, 1:55 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com

Re: [RBW] S24O: tent or no tent?

2010-07-17 Thread Anne Paulson
Good question. I've always used a white gas stove when I toured, but it's difficult to buy white gas in touring amounts. Moreover, the gas stoves I've had have either been noisy (MSR Dragonfly) or unable to maintain a low enough heat to cook things like rice and pancakes (every other gas stove

[RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.

2010-07-17 Thread Patrick in VT
On Jul 17, 4:49 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: I have Phil hubs (FW) on the Ram and White Ind hubs on the Saluki. how long have you had your WIs? I blew through the bearings on an H2 hub in a year - lots of wet miles though. replaced original bearings with Phils. -- You received

[RBW] Re: healdsburg century, this weekend

2010-07-17 Thread dpco
todd, sory i missed you. i spotted two rivs at the first stop in geyserville: an orange hilsen( looked like 650 wheels) and a light blue saluki. both beautiful bikes. the weather was stunning. don c. On Jul 16, 6:53 pm, Todd Olsen todd_ol...@comcast.net wrote: i will be there on a blue hilsen.  

[RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.

2010-07-17 Thread Powderpiggy
Thanks for all the replies.The PW 'Rivy' hubs probably would not break the bank while the PW cassette hubs would. But I was a little unsure about the freewheel but it sounds like maybe that should not be so much of a concern. Anything else you would recommend upgrading?? On Jul 17, 8:30 am,

[RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.

2010-07-17 Thread Powderpiggy
It true...I do need racks and bagsfenders...etc. On Jul 17, 9:06 am, jamison brosseau jamison.bross...@gmail.com wrote: i would get a non budget shimano wheelset.  those hubs last a long time, and with the money you save, you can afford to outfit your  bike with all the racks and bags you

[RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.

2010-07-17 Thread hobie
I have always considered Phil Hubs but never took the plunge.My first Riv was a Saluki w. 650b budget wheelset.I have since took the plunge on Phil wheels and B.B..One wheelset is a cassette for my touring Saluki,pricey though.The other is a Phil rear freewheel not to pricey.They are both

[RBW] Re: Rivendell as a beater bike?

2010-07-17 Thread mr.trout
i have a hillborne that is my everyday bike. i have it pitlocked and the vulnerable bolts are stuffed with foil to keep it from being stripped. the paint chips pretty easily on this frame, i have a few city flag stickers covering the big ones. rain or shine, snow slop, locked up outside of bars,

[RBW] Re: S24O: tent or no tent?

2010-07-17 Thread velomann
I made myself one of these a couple of years ago. Along with the Ray- way quilt, it's how i always camp now. I prefer to sleep outside a tent, but the tarp is super-light and compact, and if rain's a possibility, I pitch it. I also made the netting insert, but have never used it. have yet to camp

[RBW] Re: S24O: tent or no tent?

2010-07-17 Thread velomann
Whoops - forgot the link to the Ray-Way tarp tent: http://www.rayjardine.com/ray-way/Tarp-Kit/index.htm On Jul 17, 4:03 pm, velomann velom...@gmail.com wrote: I made myself one of these a couple of years ago. Along with the Ray- way quilt, it's how i always camp now. I prefer to sleep outside

[RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.

2010-07-17 Thread EricP
My Sam Hillborne has a Phil f/w rear hub. It's very nice. Very little dish and strong. Since building the wheel earlier this year, have yet to touch it with a spoke wrench. Another bike has Shimano XT hubs and I repacked the rear hub bearings after about 1,000 miles. That said - the repack

[RBW] Re: Rivendell as a beater bike?

2010-07-17 Thread EricP
Well, my Rivendell is not a beater. Yes, I ride it around and even commute on it when I feel like. However, it's not the bike I take out on the icy, salty roads of winter. Others do. In that case, the bike of choice (for this coming winter) will be a Surly. Earlier this week, received a snide

[RBW] Comparing Mark's bar with the Noodle.

2010-07-17 Thread PATRICK MOORE
I have a 46 cm Noodle on the Sam Hill and find the reach a bit much. The Mark's is 113 mm shorter per the Riv description, but then, too, the Noodle bends back. Can anyone tell me the overall difference in reach between Mark's and Noodle? I did correct much of the problem of too far away with the

[RBW] Re: S24O: tent or no tent?

2010-07-17 Thread EricP
Am a tent person. But always have a tendency to overpack. Even for S24O. Plus, I like the privacy a tent provides. Especially at a campground. Another idea could be a bivy sack. Small enough to fit in a saddlebag, but gives some protection from the elements and bugs. Have discovered through

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell as a beater bike?

2010-07-17 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Despite my published reservations about the SH, I'd unhesitatingly choose it as a beater commuter -- I prefer to call such bikes no worries, mate bikes -- since despite not being the equal of any of my 3 custom Rivs it is still a very nice bike compared to most others I've owned. (Tho' I bet my

Re: [RBW] Rivendell as a beater bike?

2010-07-17 Thread cyclotourist
I'd love to see another collaboration between Rivendell and either QBP (Surly/Salsa) or Merry Sales (Soma). Similar to the Bleriot arrangement they had. Let Grant design and spec it, let them sell it. TIG welded powder coated would be awesome for this application. Let the distributor worry

Re: [RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.

2010-07-17 Thread cyclotourist
Re-packing hubs is one of my favorite bike maintenance things to do. Just a good feeling of satisfaction after completing it. On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 5:40 PM, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: My Sam Hillborne has a Phil f/w rear hub. It's very nice. Very little dish and strong. Since

[RBW] Thoughts on assorted recent threads

2010-07-17 Thread Bruce
://picasaweb.google.com/Bruce.Herbitter/20100717# -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr

[RBW] Re: 50cm Rambouillet FS at PedalRev/SF

2010-07-17 Thread Rene
jim, thanks for the tip. i went up to sanfo this noon and got it. the components are no cheapo. i just asked that the saddle be swapped to b17. i will ride it for a while to see if it needs fenders or not. it looks bare though without them. here's a photolink: http://tinyurl.com/25q24vs --

Re: [RBW] Thoughts on assorted recent threads

2010-07-17 Thread cyclotourist
. Surefooted in gravel as well. A few pictures (no captions yet) at Picasa. One shows a bit of the oogly road surface in rural Macon County. http://picasaweb.google.com/Bruce.Herbitter/20100717# -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group

[RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.

2010-07-17 Thread Ginz
Tell us more about your build. We'll gladly spend your money. On Jul 17, 11:44 am, Powderpiggy ke...@mid-columbia-coho.net wrote: Thanks for all the replies.    The PW 'Rivy' hubs probably would not break the bank while the PW cassette hubs would.  But I was a little unsure about the

[RBW] Re: Comparing Mark's bar with the Noodle.

2010-07-17 Thread SISDDWG
I just replaced a Noodle with a Mark's bar on my Rivendell Longlow. I like the Mark's bar a lot. Because of the relatively shallow drop and shorter reach I can more easily ride in the drops. I am very pleased with the change. On Jul 17, 5:53 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I have a

[RBW] Re: Newbie here: Are Phil Wood hubs worth it.

2010-07-17 Thread All Rounder 2000
I have bikes with PW (Freewheel), SunTour (FW), and Shimano hubs (Cassette). I agree with all I've seen here. For me, the most practical difference has been the service after the sale. On two occasions I've had slight problems with PW gear and a quick phone call to PW HQ and the bearings or other

[RBW] Re: Rivendell as a beater bike?

2010-07-17 Thread charlie
Holy cow they are just bicycles ! I don't think a cheaper bicycle would be any less likely to be stolen or damaged by use. Lets face it, you can't take this stuff with you when you die so enjoy it now. Quality things are nice to own and use and.if you can afford something expensive then use