[RBW] Re: First S24O of the Year
Very nice. Am jealous as I haven't been out on an S24O in over a year. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Sunday, May 20, 2012 6:34:49 PM UTC-5, Zack wrote: Pics and a quick description over on Google Plus: https://plus.google.com/u/0/107423288281080392176/posts/ZVzyLuyY4Du I don't think you need to have a google plus account or anything to see the post, but let me know if you do. Some notable things - 1. Forgot a lighter. Meant no cooking dinner or breakfast, or coffee. So that was a bummer. I always bring too much food though, so I just had some sopressata, an apple, some almonds, and some berries for dinner, and some chocolate for dessert. Wasn't that big of a deal. 2. I ate a bug. Was just after a big climb, I was gassed, had my mouth open while I was cruising and BAM. Big bug down the gullet. 3. Saw a bunch of monarch butterflies. A highlight of the ride was when one cruised alongside me for like 8 seconds. Felt like racing the butterfly. Good stuff. 4. Stopped at a cool little cafe in charlotte vt for breakfast/coffee - Old Brick House (for those of you that know the area). Ran into a couple of friends who were out with their racer buddies for a ride. Everyone was checking out the Sam, and had nothing but nice things to say. Is that English? Custom? Where you coming from? Where you going? What's up with the second top tube? What a beautiful bike. Etc. 5. I saw a bald eagle when i was eating my morning berries and larabar. I haven't ever seen one before, it was awesome. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/bGQlZ_NS11EJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Paul Brakes; MiniMoto v. Motolite
MiniMotos are so new on the market, may be a while yet for reviews. Paul really seems to have winnowed the Minimotos down to just the basics. Paul does such a good job with their other stuff, I imagine these will work well also. On Sunday, May 20, 2012 6:27:28 PM UTC-5, Ray wrote: Seeking comments re: advantages, disadvantages, ease of set-up, stopping efficiency, other comparative comments. the link: http://paulcomp.com/minimoto.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Zphv17tsx1MJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Thank you
Looking forward to your wonderful photography now with more SH! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] TRP Brake Levers?
+1 They are absolutely great. Slightly unconventional shape of the levers makes it especially easy (mor me, anyway) to brake from the hoods. -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of brian feltovich Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 1:29 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] TRP Brake Levers? I put them on a bike a few months ago and have been happy with them. The hoods are comfortable and the levers have a nice feel to them. In all honesty, I bought them for aesthetic reasons: the gum hoods and the drilled levers appealed to me. The fact that they are comfortable and work well is just icing on the cake. Brian Park City -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/BgdDrG_9tssJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Thank you
Fantastic pics, Manny. Thanks for posting. And I know I don't have to say Enjoy the new wheels because I KNOW you will. From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Manuel Acosta Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 12:58 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Thank you Nothing beats New Bike Day. Rode the new bike to work. It was funny because my student's seem more excited about the bike then I am. LIke any new shiny thing with wheels, all the kids wanted to ride it. I'm not good at describing the feel of a new steel bike so I'll quote some of the things the kids say. So smooth, The pedals are smart, This bike feels so right! was the general conversation after students took turns riding it around the school. So since school got out early I took the long way home. Decided to see if there was a way to bike from Ed Levin to Mission Peak. There is but not an easy way. The maiden bike voyage turned into a maiden hike the bike uphills. But the new bike got dirty so all was well. It's kind of hard to describe how guilt ridden I felt having to receive such a nice gift. Call it my stubbornness to accept help or my pride of having to try and deal with my mistakes on my own. Having gotten to talk to a bunch of people on the forum in person they really helped me understand that it's okay to accept other people's help. Grant put in better words Everybody who helps you will be getting more out of it than they're giving, so you can legitimately think of this as a gift the givers are giving to themselves. It's interesting to note that despite how amazing this gesture is that the lovely folks at Rivendell HQ didn't make a huge deal about it. Which made me feel a lot more comfortable about accepting the bike, since it was done a month ago. (alas I don't check my voice messages) It was funny because of how awkward I felt during the last few months about the bike I didn't really have the courage to ask about the progress or if it was even done. I figured when the bike was ready and the time was right it would be done. This bike is more meaningful to me knowing that so many people were willing to contribute in so many ways. It's hard to even express a really thank you over a simple forum, so I'll just do it through pictures. Because pictures proved how grateful I am. http://flic.kr/s/aHsjzqBUdq -Manny Now to get it dirty Acosta -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/7PEnKU6RB1AJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Thank you
Manny, congrats on the new bike. It looks great. Can't wait to see where it takes you in the coming months. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Just Ride
On May 18, 8:18 am, Pondero cj.spin...@gmail.com wrote: Totally on board with the ride for fun philosophy, but I also suspect that some of those in-training racer folks are actually having fun. Agreed. Almost every racer I know has a lot of fun doing it. And despite certain preferences (some misguided, for sure), a lot of racers are actually pretty passionate about cycling in general which is a good thing. Whether we kike it or not, cycling is still a sport and it's not just lance wannabes who do it - the vast majority of people will never race anywhere near the elite level, let alone pro level. But they do anyway because it's fun to challenge yourself and participate in something. It's no different than any other physical endeavor - you can take it as far as you want. There's a marathon in Burlington, VT this weekend - the event is about as a good of an example as you can get of people of different abilities challenging themselves in the same race. 99% of the people who line up know they will not win the race. 100% are there to prove something to themselves without regard for winning or losing - just finishing, or setting a personal record (the PR) will be a big deal. it's very similar to randonneuring. bike racing is the same. it's all the same - we set goals and take steps to achieve them. whatever keeps people inspired and motivated, more power to them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: WTT: 56 cm Hillborne for something with more clearance and off-road capability.
And sold. On Apr 29, 7:44 pm, Z ztahr...@uwalumni.com wrote: Sale of the Hillborne pending... still looking for that fat-tired frameset. On Apr 25, 11:22 pm,Zztahr...@uwalumni.com wrote: I've moved southeast Utah and I plan to stay a while. The bike is a56cm double TT Waterford-built beauty in orange and I love it, but fatter tires would be ideal. I'd throw down some cash to trade up to an Atlantis or Bombadil. I'm thinking frame, fork, headset, bottom bracket, and wheelset (if necessary). My PBH is approximately 85 cm. Cheers! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] A Homer Hilsen in Seattle?
Would anyone happen to have a 63cm AHH in the Seattle area? I'm looking to pick one up and would like to get a test ride to verify sizing first. Happy to trade some time on my Roadeo if that's an incentive. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/_QvcGjocTAwJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] New Hunqapillar
Thought I'd share some details with the group of my new 62 Hunqapillar. I've been commuting with it for a few days now and it's all I hoped it would be. Feels like sitting in a big oak Morris chair, definitely the most comfortable bike I've ridden. Pictures here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/58723422@N02/sets/72157629818804774/ and some build details: Thill-built Velocity Dyad 40 front and rear, Phil touring hub, Schmidt SON Classic Brooks B67 antique brown Albatross Tektro levers Shimano CX-70 cantis Ergon biocork grips Silver thumbshifters Nitto tallux 12 cm SKS P50 Sugino XD triple 46-36-24 175 Microshift triple fd Shimano Deore XT low normal Sunrace fw 13-32 Nitto mini front and platrack Nitto S83 27.2 Grip King B M IQ cyo, silver -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/qCqZ-DJaRR0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Paul Brakes; MiniMoto v. Motolite
MiniMoto is short pull, and the Monolite is long pull...meaning the MiniMoto is designed to be paired with road brake levers unlike the Monolite. The shorter arms of the MiniMoto might not clear as huge a tire as the MonoLite. I dig the look of the MiniMotos, and I would not be surprised if they work terrifically like all other Paul brakes. A nice alternative to mini road v's like TRP CX8.4. On May 20, 7:27 pm, Ray r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Seeking comments re: advantages, disadvantages, ease of set-up, stopping efficiency, other comparative comments. the link: http://paulcomp.com/minimoto.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] TRP Brake Levers?
As others point out are you trying to solve a problem or just want something different? I just got a pair because all my bikes only have non-aero levers and anted something different. I don't have them ona bike yet but the bodies feel good in the hand, the levers feel a little thin,but nothing too concerning. Brake levers fall into the category of parts where there's really only marginal improvements over time, these do have a few things going for them. -shape of the hoods is a little bigger to grab onto -strong return spring, which is not needed with side pulls but helps with cantis that don't always retract the lever. -recessed button quick release, elegant solution to a quick release, but no more functional then the dia compe quick release -offset levers make braking from the hoods or drops optimized (I think, I have not tried them yet) These are all pretty minor and I would argue hard to justify the big price difference from the regular tektros. Of course if you value the aesthetics, then they may be worth it since there are no other levers with a similar design. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/5SEkElY92vEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Just got back from a 10 mile ride...
I needed to get either a Nitto lugged seatpost (expensive) or a Velo Orange seatback seatpost in order to get my seat far enough back to take the weight off my hands. I also have a long torso. Toshi On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 2:36 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: You might look at your saddle position. Peter Jon White has much good to say about where to put it so that your torso and not your arms hold you up. It works for me. In fact, it was Grant long ago who told me, get your saddle back and your bars up and back, and it fixed my position problems. Note that bars up and back meant 8 cm extension and 3-5 cm below bar instead of 140 mm extension and 5 inches below bar. Broken record: butt back helps your torso hold itself up. Patrick long torso Moore -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] TRP Brake Levers?
The black ones aren't that much more expensive ($60). The gum ones are $50 more (I couldn't justify it, although I somehow justified a lugged stem and seatpost :). I find them to be comfortable and braking from the drops is good. Toshi On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 8:44 AM, Minh mgiangs...@gmail.com wrote: [...] These are all pretty minor and I would argue hard to justify the big price difference from the regular tektros. Of course if you value the aesthetics, then they may be worth it since there are no other levers with a similar design. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Just Ride
When I first started cycling as an adult, I purchased a $430 big-brand hybrid style bike that was god-awful ugly but served my novice self perfectly as a commuter and general transportation/recreation machine. But when I decided that I was committed enough to bikes to get something fancier/cooler, the big-brand shop didn't have any upgrades that weren't racing-style bikes or suspended MTBs. The message was clear: the only way to be a serious cyclist was to aspire to the racing image and racing paradigms. I knew that probably was not ever going to be my cup of tea. The ensuing internet research led me to conclude that a touring bike was what I really wanted, but the only one likely to be found locally was the Trek 520, and none of the local shops I called had one in stock. Eventually, I discovered and purchased an Atlantis. That was my first truly good bike, and even though I no longer own it, it has influenced all my subsequent ideas about bikes. Anyway, I agree that some people who own race bikes and related kit are probably stimulated by that aspect of cycling. BUT, how many of them went that direction because of peer pressure or because they didn't know of other options? On Monday, May 21, 2012 10:05:41 AM UTC-5, Patrick in VT wrote: On May 18, 8:18 am, Pondero cj.spin...@gmail.com wrote: Totally on board with the ride for fun philosophy, but I also suspect that some of those in-training racer folks are actually having fun. Agreed. Almost every racer I know has a lot of fun doing it. And despite certain preferences (some misguided, for sure), a lot of racers are actually pretty passionate about cycling in general which is a good thing. Whether we kike it or not, cycling is still a sport and it's not just lance wannabes who do it - the vast majority of people will never race anywhere near the elite level, let alone pro level. But they do anyway because it's fun to challenge yourself and participate in something. It's no different than any other physical endeavor - you can take it as far as you want. There's a marathon in Burlington, VT this weekend - the event is about as a good of an example as you can get of people of different abilities challenging themselves in the same race. 99% of the people who line up know they will not win the race. 100% are there to prove something to themselves without regard for winning or losing - just finishing, or setting a personal record (the PR) will be a big deal. it's very similar to randonneuring. bike racing is the same. it's all the same - we set goals and take steps to achieve them. whatever keeps people inspired and motivated, more power to them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/o6L4Q1aO8soJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] For Sale: Sackville Shopsack (Med), Sackville SaddleSack (Large) Camelback Bottle Pouch
About a year of irregular use. Here's a link to photos: https://picasaweb.google.com/103564646833626269825/RivItemsForSale The Shopsack is on back order at Riv and retails for $50. Enter item number 20205 at Riv site to locate the page. Asking $30 for it. The SaddleSack retails for $230 and is item number 20133. Asking $175 for it. The link for the Camelbak Max Gear Bottle Pouch Coyote Color is: http://www.amazon.com/Camelbak-Bottle-Pouch-Coyote-90652/dp/B002QWNJ8A I have two of them brand new never used. They mount to the front rack. They retail for $24 each or $48 for both. I'm asking $30 I also have a pair of Keen cycling sandals for sale. Let me know if you're interested. They have only be used a few times. Selling all due to a move out of the country. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Child's bike seat?
Looking for some advice on a child's seat to attach to a Bleriot, which both my wife and I have, so a seat that transfers easily from one bike to another would be a plus. For my kids from a previous marriage, I used the Road Gear/CoPilot Limo that mounted to a back rack (probably not my nice Nitto, though!), but my wife proposed a front-handlebar-mounted seat from the Netherlands (via REI), and I waded a bit into the controversy there via customer reviews about front- v. rear-mounted seats (including that the front-mounter REI sells doesn't fit most bikes!). Hoping somebody here has some experience with and recommendations about mounting a seat to a Bleriot, front or rear, and the pros/cons of each. Our daughter is almost 1 year, just shy of 20 pounds, and on the petite side height-wise, not a future volleyball player, at least at this point. Thanks for any insights/opinions, Kevin Lippert NY, NY -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Paul Brakes; MiniMoto v. Motolite
Being a big Paul fan (just so you know) it's always exciting to see a new product emerge from Chico, California. The assumtive statements about his stuff always being spot on are true - if it didn't work well it wouldn't be out there IMHO. So ... you can take your old stumpjumper and put some easier to set up, stronger brakes on her with no worries about disturbing the cockpit? Those old cantilever levers will work, as do dropbar levers, and reverse barend levers or any lever that closed a set of cantilever brakes? Wow. The Motolites were v-brakes, which I never used, most of my XT v- brakes worked flawlessly, so never needed a replacement. The BMX Motolights I did use as a cantilever replacement on a 26 to 650b conversion mountain bike and can say were the strongest gripping and widest reach brakes I ever used. The horizontal cable after the noodle could interfere with the large (very large) tires. Theses Minimotos look to have the clearance for bigger tires or fenders on the sides. I wonder what the reach on these are? The height of the arms would seem to be it's limiting factor But enough of my dribble . Who out there has tried these? Let's hear from them. Phil B http://www.flickr.com/photos/55586106@N00/4933293822/in/photostream/ On May 21, 8:18 am, Steve Park steve...@wgmail.com wrote: MiniMoto is short pull, and the Monolite is long pull...meaning the MiniMoto is designed to be paired with road brake levers unlike the Monolite. The shorter arms of the MiniMoto might not clear as huge a tire as the MonoLite. I dig the look of the MiniMotos, and I would not be surprised if they work terrifically like all other Paul brakes. A nice alternative to mini road v's like TRP CX8.4. On May 20, 7:27 pm, Ray r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Seeking comments re: advantages, disadvantages, ease of set-up, stopping efficiency, other comparative comments. the link: http://paulcomp.com/minimoto.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Just got back from a 10 mile ride...
Don't forget Paul Comp's offering: http://paulcomp.com/seatpost.html Kinda' long for a road bike, but it can be cut down. Price point between the Nitto and VO one. FWIW, I had to send my VO back as it was out of spec and slipped. On Monday, May 21, 2012 8:45:06 AM UTC-7, ttoshi wrote: I needed to get either a Nitto lugged seatpost (expensive) or a Velo Orange seatback seatpost in order to get my seat far enough back to take the weight off my hands. I also have a long torso. Toshi On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 2:36 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: You might look at your saddle position. Peter Jon White has much good to say about where to put it so that your torso and not your arms hold you up. It works for me. In fact, it was Grant long ago who told me, get your saddle back and your bars up and back, and it fixed my position problems. Note that bars up and back meant 8 cm extension and 3-5 cm below bar instead of 140 mm extension and 5 inches below bar. Broken record: butt back helps your torso hold itself up. Patrick long torso Moore -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/N2HTKzBVTIYJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] For Sale: Sackville Shopsack (Med), Sackville SaddleSack (Large) Camelback Bottle Pouch
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 12:07 PM, climbthemtns climbthem...@gmail.com wrote: About a year of irregular use. Here's a link to photos: https://picasaweb.google.com/103564646833626269825/RivItemsForSale The Shopsack is on back order at Riv and retails for $50. Enter item number 20205 at Riv site to locate the page. Asking $30 for it. The SaddleSack retails for $230 and is item number 20133. Asking $175 for it. The picture link doesn't seem to work. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Just got back from a 10 mile ride...
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 12:13 PM, cyclotour...@gmail.com cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Don't forget Paul Comp's offering: http://paulcomp.com/seatpost.html Kinda' long for a road bike, but it can be cut down. Price point between the Nitto and VO one. FWIW, I had to send my VO back as it was out of spec and slipped. I had the same issue. the seatpost had been over-polished was the explanation I was given. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Just got back from a 10 mile ride...
That's a lot of buffing! On Monday, May 21, 2012 9:18:03 AM UTC-7, Seth Vidal wrote: I had the same issue. the seatpost had been over-polished was the explanation I was given. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/VJvZbxPpwNoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Just got back from a 10 mile ride...
I do have the VO setback post right now, no issues with slipping, thankfully and I have the stem as far up as it can reasonably go and still have arm pain. I was thinking the 56 Bomba might solve my problem since it would extend the top tube and still give me at least a bit of standover with Hetres on it. I doubt I would or could go big knobby tires but since most of my riding is on NYC streets or dirt paths so doubtful I would need anything like that. I really dont want to go longer/taller stem since I can feel it flex up front when I am climbing hills and holding the bars. The fact that I am 250 also moves me towards the Bomba as well. Keep an eye out for a potential 650b Hilsen for sale in the next few weeks I think. On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 12:13 PM, cyclotour...@gmail.com cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Don't forget Paul Comp's offering: http://paulcomp.com/seatpost.html Kinda' long for a road bike, but it can be cut down. Price point between the Nitto and VO one. FWIW, I had to send my VO back as it was out of spec and slipped. I had the same issue. the seatpost had been over-polished was the explanation I was given. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: For Sale: Sackville Shopsack (Med), Sackville SaddleSack (Large) Camelback Bottle Pouch
Sorry, let me correct that now. On May 21, 9:17 am, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 12:07 PM, climbthemtns climbthem...@gmail.com wrote: About a year of irregular use. Here's a link to photos: https://picasaweb.google.com/103564646833626269825/RivItemsForSale The Shopsack is on back order at Riv and retails for $50. Enter item number 20205 at Riv site to locate the page. Asking $30 for it. The SaddleSack retails for $230 and is item number 20133. Asking $175 for it. The picture link doesn't seem to work. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Thank you
APPROVE On Saturday, May 19, 2012 9:57:43 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote: Nothing beats New Bike Day. Rode the new bike to work. It was funny because my student's seem more excited about the bike then I am. LIke any new shiny thing with wheels, all the kids wanted to ride it. I'm not good at describing the feel of a new steel bike so I'll quote some of the things the kids say. So smooth, The pedals are smart, This bike feels so right! was the general conversation after students took turns riding it around the school. So since school got out early I took the long way home. Decided to see if there was a way to bike from Ed Levin to Mission Peak. There is but not an easy way. The maiden bike voyage turned into a maiden hike the bike uphills. But the new bike got dirty so all was well. It's kind of hard to describe how guilt ridden I felt having to receive such a nice gift. Call it my stubbornness to accept help or my pride of having to try and deal with my mistakes on my own. Having gotten to talk to a bunch of people on the forum in person they really helped me understand that it's okay to accept other people's help. Grant put in better words Everybody who helps you will be getting more out of it than they're giving, so you can legitimately think of this as a gift the givers are giving to themselves. It's interesting to note that despite how amazing this gesture is that the lovely folks at Rivendell HQ didn't make a huge deal about it. Which made me feel a lot more comfortable about accepting the bike, since it was done a month ago. (alas I don't check my voice messages) It was funny because of how awkward I felt during the last few months about the bike I didn't really have the courage to ask about the progress or if it was even done. I figured when the bike was ready and the time was right it would be done. This bike is more meaningful to me knowing that so many people were willing to contribute in so many ways. It's hard to even express a really thank you over a simple forum, so I'll just do it through pictures. Because pictures proved how grateful I am. http://flic.kr/s/aHsjzqBUdq -Manny Now to get it dirty Acosta -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/5RFPe3_Wul4J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: For Sale: Sackville Shopsack (Med), Sackville SaddleSack (Large) Camelback Bottle Pouch
Try it now. I think I had it locked: https://plus.google.com/photos/103564646833626269825/albums/5745017726649623553?authkey=CN2t6ZaWrZbXEg BTW, how do you edit a message? I thought we could, but I'm not seeing an option for that. On May 21, 9:17 am, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 12:07 PM, climbthemtns climbthem...@gmail.com wrote: About a year of irregular use. Here's a link to photos: https://picasaweb.google.com/103564646833626269825/RivItemsForSale The Shopsack is on back order at Riv and retails for $50. Enter item number 20205 at Riv site to locate the page. Asking $30 for it. The SaddleSack retails for $230 and is item number 20133. Asking $175 for it. The picture link doesn't seem to work. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: For Sale: Sackville Shopsack (Med), Sackville SaddleSack (Large) Camelback Bottle Pouch
BTW, the Keen commuter sandals are size 43 or size 9 On May 21, 9:42 am, climbthemtns climbthem...@gmail.com wrote: Try it now. I think I had it locked: https://plus.google.com/photos/103564646833626269825/albums/574501772... BTW, how do you edit a message? I thought we could, but I'm not seeing an option for that. On May 21, 9:17 am, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 12:07 PM, climbthemtns climbthem...@gmail.com wrote: About a year of irregular use. Here's a link to photos: https://picasaweb.google.com/103564646833626269825/RivItemsForSale The Shopsack is on back order at Riv and retails for $50. Enter item number 20205 at Riv site to locate the page. Asking $30 for it. The SaddleSack retails for $230 and is item number 20133. Asking $175 for it. The picture link doesn't seem to work. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Child's bike seat?
I'd ask what are your budget considerations and how you intend to use it. Assuming it will become part of your normal transportation and costs are secondary, the up-front Bobike is a blast. While kids quickly out-grow it, as they say, they are only young once. If you want something you can get a little more mileage from, the rear-mount Bobike can carry kids pretty much as long as they'll need carried. Both are rock solid and will last through the entirety of your fecund years. ;-) Also, both swap easily among bikes if you buy a second rack. In any case, I'd suggest giving the guys at Clever Cycles http://clevercycles.coma call. They sell more kid seats in a season than most shops sell ever. And they ship. If he's around Todd would probably be the best person to ask to speak with. Of course, this assumes you intend to buy from them. As our good friend Mr. Thill has commented, nothing worse than chatting up a sole-proprietor then taking your business to the internets. ;-) As for the Copilots, I have one.I got it before the Dutch invasion as it were. Not a waste of money, but more of a weekend/recreational item than something built for daily transportation. Best of luck, -Allan On Monday, May 21, 2012 9:09:25 AM UTC-7, Kevin Lippert wrote: Looking for some advice on a child's seat to attach to a Bleriot, which both my wife and I have, so a seat that transfers easily from one bike to another would be a plus. For my kids from a previous marriage, I used the Road Gear/CoPilot Limo that mounted to a back rack (probably not my nice Nitto, though!), but my wife proposed a front-handlebar-mounted seat from the Netherlands (via REI), and I waded a bit into the controversy there via customer reviews about front- v. rear-mounted seats (including that the front-mounter REI sells doesn't fit most bikes!). Hoping somebody here has some experience with and recommendations about mounting a seat to a Bleriot, front or rear, and the pros/cons of each. Our daughter is almost 1 year, just shy of 20 pounds, and on the petite side height-wise, not a future volleyball player, at least at this point. Thanks for any insights/opinions, Kevin Lippert NY, NY -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/3K1pArCwcCUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Just Ride
Exactly. What if every shoe store in America only sold running shoes and hiking boots? And the staff looked at you cross-eyed if you dared suggest you might want to do anything but run or hike. You'd have to dig deep into the dark corners of some internet sub-culture to buy loafers, or sandals! On Monday, May 21, 2012 12:03:40 PM UTC-4, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: When I first started cycling as an adult, I purchased a $430 big-brand hybrid style bike that was god-awful ugly but served my novice self perfectly as a commuter and general transportation/recreation machine. But when I decided that I was committed enough to bikes to get something fancier/cooler, the big-brand shop didn't have any upgrades that weren't racing-style bikes or suspended MTBs. The message was clear: the only way to be a serious cyclist was to aspire to the racing image and racing paradigms. I knew that probably was not ever going to be my cup of tea. The ensuing internet research led me to conclude that a touring bike was what I really wanted, but the only one likely to be found locally was the Trek 520, and none of the local shops I called had one in stock. Eventually, I discovered and purchased an Atlantis. That was my first truly good bike, and even though I no longer own it, it has influenced all my subsequent ideas about bikes. Anyway, I agree that some people who own race bikes and related kit are probably stimulated by that aspect of cycling. BUT, how many of them went that direction because of peer pressure or because they didn't know of other options? On Monday, May 21, 2012 10:05:41 AM UTC-5, Patrick in VT wrote: On May 18, 8:18 am, Pondero cj.spin...@gmail.com wrote: Totally on board with the ride for fun philosophy, but I also suspect that some of those in-training racer folks are actually having fun. Agreed. Almost every racer I know has a lot of fun doing it. And despite certain preferences (some misguided, for sure), a lot of racers are actually pretty passionate about cycling in general which is a good thing. Whether we kike it or not, cycling is still a sport and it's not just lance wannabes who do it - the vast majority of people will never race anywhere near the elite level, let alone pro level. But they do anyway because it's fun to challenge yourself and participate in something. It's no different than any other physical endeavor - you can take it as far as you want. There's a marathon in Burlington, VT this weekend - the event is about as a good of an example as you can get of people of different abilities challenging themselves in the same race. 99% of the people who line up know they will not win the race. 100% are there to prove something to themselves without regard for winning or losing - just finishing, or setting a personal record (the PR) will be a big deal. it's very similar to randonneuring. bike racing is the same. it's all the same - we set goals and take steps to achieve them. whatever keeps people inspired and motivated, more power to them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/rCOqLVR-GG4J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Child's bike seat?
As Allan said, call Clever Cycles and let them set you up. Family biking is their specialty. They're good people and won't steer you wrong. I recently made a kid seat for my Hilsen/Nitto Big Back Rack http://www.flickr.com/photos/15966859@N07/6812051114/out of scraps and spare parts. It's held on with zip ties for easy removal. It's not suitable for a 1-year-old though. I do a lot of my miles on cargo bikes so it's fun to be able to haul a kid on the Hilsen... so I can ride it more. As far as front seats... there's some footage of a sub-1-year-old in a bobike mini on a recent s36o here http://youtu.be/cQEX-sfWeXk. Happy family biking. --Andy On Monday, May 21, 2012 9:09:25 AM UTC-7, Kevin Lippert wrote: Looking for some advice on a child's seat to attach to a Bleriot, which both my wife and I have, so a seat that transfers easily from one bike to another would be a plus. For my kids from a previous marriage, I used the Road Gear/CoPilot Limo that mounted to a back rack (probably not my nice Nitto, though!), but my wife proposed a front-handlebar-mounted seat from the Netherlands (via REI), and I waded a bit into the controversy there via customer reviews about front- v. rear-mounted seats (including that the front-mounter REI sells doesn't fit most bikes!). Hoping somebody here has some experience with and recommendations about mounting a seat to a Bleriot, front or rear, and the pros/cons of each. Our daughter is almost 1 year, just shy of 20 pounds, and on the petite side height-wise, not a future volleyball player, at least at this point. Thanks for any insights/opinions, Kevin Lippert NY, NY On Monday, May 21, 2012 9:09:25 AM UTC-7, Kevin Lippert wrote: Looking for some advice on a child's seat to attach to a Bleriot, which both my wife and I have, so a seat that transfers easily from one bike to another would be a plus. For my kids from a previous marriage, I used the Road Gear/CoPilot Limo that mounted to a back rack (probably not my nice Nitto, though!), but my wife proposed a front-handlebar-mounted seat from the Netherlands (via REI), and I waded a bit into the controversy there via customer reviews about front- v. rear-mounted seats (including that the front-mounter REI sells doesn't fit most bikes!). Hoping somebody here has some experience with and recommendations about mounting a seat to a Bleriot, front or rear, and the pros/cons of each. Our daughter is almost 1 year, just shy of 20 pounds, and on the petite side height-wise, not a future volleyball player, at least at this point. Thanks for any insights/opinions, Kevin Lippert NY, NY On Monday, May 21, 2012 9:09:25 AM UTC-7, Kevin Lippert wrote: Looking for some advice on a child's seat to attach to a Bleriot, which both my wife and I have, so a seat that transfers easily from one bike to another would be a plus. For my kids from a previous marriage, I used the Road Gear/CoPilot Limo that mounted to a back rack (probably not my nice Nitto, though!), but my wife proposed a front-handlebar-mounted seat from the Netherlands (via REI), and I waded a bit into the controversy there via customer reviews about front- v. rear-mounted seats (including that the front-mounter REI sells doesn't fit most bikes!). Hoping somebody here has some experience with and recommendations about mounting a seat to a Bleriot, front or rear, and the pros/cons of each. Our daughter is almost 1 year, just shy of 20 pounds, and on the petite side height-wise, not a future volleyball player, at least at this point. Thanks for any insights/opinions, Kevin Lippert NY, NY -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/47MdtpP61ucJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] South Bay Area S24O invite...
Hi South Bay Area Folks- All this talk of bike camping has gotten my camping bug going... I've been working on a remodel job at our house far too hard and far too long, so my lovely wife has encouraged me to take some time for myself this coming weekend. I've been wanting to do an S24O for ages, but just never made the time. I figure if I announce it to the world then it will happen! (Article on S24O camping: https://www.adventurecycling.org/resources/Petersen_S240s.pdf ) When: next Monday evening (Memorial Day) 5/28/2012 Where: Castle Rock State Park hiker-biker campground, aka Castle Rock Trail Camp Camp map: http://www.parks.ca.gov/pages/538/files/CastleRockCGmap.pdf I've never camped there, but I did scout the campground by bike a few years back, and the access road is ridable (albeit a bit steep in places) on a road bike. Bike access to the campground is only via the ~1 mile dirt road called Service Road Trail on the map, which is about 1.5 miles South of Hwy 9 on Hwy 35/Skyline Blvd. The Service Road Trail shares a driveway with the Los Altos Rod Gun Club at 14750 SKYLINE BOULEVARD, LOS GATOS, CA 95033. The Service Road is to the left when facing the Gun Club entrance. (The Gun Club is closed Mon-Wed, so we shouldn't hear any shooting.) There is (purportedly) piped drinking water at the campground, though in these times of tight state budgets, I'll be bringing enough to get through the night, just in case water is not available. I'll be registering for a campsite, which is good for up to six people, so no need for you to register unless we get a crowd. I'm planning to ride from our home in Redwood Estates via Summit/Skyline, leaving late afternoon, with a very rough ETA at the campground of 5-6pm -- time enough to pitch camp, eat some dinner, and maybe take a hike to see the sunset. In the morning I'm planning to rise relatively early -- we'll see how that goes! ;-) -- and ride to my work in Scotts Valley via Skyline/Summit/Zayante/Mt Hermon. Castle Rock Park is on the list of parks slated to close next month due to the State's budget woes, so this may be the last chance to camp here for a while. I'd love to have some company; hope to meet you there. cheers, Andrew -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Just Ride
On May 21, 12:03 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: Anyway, I agree that some people who own race bikes and related kit are probably stimulated by that aspect of cycling. BUT, how many of them went that direction because of peer pressure or because they didn't know of other options? I don't think there are any shortcuts to finding the stuff that works for us, as individuals. It takes a lot of trial and error and a willingness to try new things and think outside of the box before we find the stuff that really sings. Lack of options is certainly a problem - I suspect that for some of us, most bike shops are mostly irrelevant. But for others just getting into cycling, it's a perfectly adequate place to start. Peer pressure is an issue too, no doubt. But knowing that there are other options and learning that what works for Joe may not work for Jim only comes with experience and at some point we take control of our decisions about what to ride. it's not a coincidence that many older, experienced riders (racers included) have some of the smarter (IMO), more personalized bikes around. same with bike mechanics, who tend to have lots of experience with different bikes/components. there's no real substitute for experience, passion and critical thinking - but how many people are willing to go that far in their decision making process, especially with something that only amounts to a peripheral hobby? a lot of people simply don't care that much and are happy (or content, at least) with that big brand hybrid or whatever. they're certainly not debating low-trail, frame flex, tire clearance, etc. the fact that you discovered an Atlantis says more about you and your approach to exploring something you enjoy doing than anything else. most folks on this list probably don't just scratch the surface of things they really like doing. that's a unique trait and the mass-market is never going favor it - it much prefers hobbyist contentment. Anyway, this subject is interesting to me because i'm going through the learning process now with running - i look at running shoes in an entirely different way now that i'm developing some clear preferences from my running experience and I'm finding options that i simply never knew about or even considered before. There are many parallels to cycling. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] New 650B conversion of a 1984 Miyata 912, and a foray into tubeless
I'm in the midst of a 650B conversion that I'm pretty excited about. I've acquired a 1984 Miyata 912, and it's getting resurrected. The major enhancement in my eyes is that I'll be converting it from a solid road bike that can take 700x25c tires without fenders, into a bike that can take 650x38B tires with fenders. This conversion has a couple new aspects for me. The clearance at the forks and the seatstays was wide enough for Hetres, but it was cozy down at the chainstays. I researched a little through the various forums and on flickr and got my courage up to crush the chainstays a little bit to make some extra room. That worked great, and I'll go at it again if I actually decide to run Hetres. For now it'll be Soma B-Lines. The other highlights are that I'll be running the new, lighter weight Velocity A23 650B rims, exclusively available from Longleaf in New Hampshire. Those rims, along with some advice from Anthony at Longleaf has got me convinced to give tubeless a try. I'm a little freaked out by the concept, and I'm nervous that I'll make a mess of the whole thing, but at the same time I'm excited to learn something new. Finally, this bike will be the home for a Sugino compact double that I beautified as my first bike part polishing project. It was a 52/42/30 130/74mm crankset, that I've converted to a chainguard/42/26. This bike is tagged to become my new commute bike. I've been using the Bombadil for my daily commute. That commute involves bike on the roof of the car in the morning (carpool), and then a bike/BART commute home in the evening. The ride home from BART is 2 miles, 600ft of climbing. The Bomba is obviously smooth, rugged, and reliable. The shortcomings are that the Bombadil is heavy for the roof rack, heavy for BART steps, and heavy for the 600ft climb, not to mention valuable to be subjected to 30 miles of freeway roofrackage every morning. This Miyata will essentially be everything a Bleriot or a Betty Foy would have been for me. Hopefully I can have it running by next week. pics show some of the progress: http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/sets/72157629709054752/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/yz7JLaV-0n0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride
Peer pressure might be a big part of it but the same can also be said for the fixie or 29er crazes. I know a few years ago my LBS was full of muscle heads who were interested in going down a hill really fast who how now gone back to the gym or tanning booths where they came from. For me it isnt the gear or the marketing that annoys me about racing bikes but the riders, sad to say. Here in NYC they ride around in their team kit weaving in and out of slower riders and shouting at people who are in their way, its really annoying and dangerous too. They are just truly aggravating and therefore build an animosity in most of us unracers. Had a nice talk with two girls on their LHTs who were expressing the same concerns the other day, we have all just had it with their pretend racing dreams and acting like arrogant jerks out there. For the record I don't have anything against actual racing cyclists, my uncle was a competitive rider for 10 years and still does 20 miles before work at 5am at age 50, the only shame is he is 6'6 so I cant borrow any of his fancy racing rigs or I definitely would take them out for a spin. I cant deny that the speed of a sub 20 bike is fun but certainly not comfy or practical for me to actually own. Long story short, if you have racing dreams, please feel free to pursue them but dont shout at the delivery guys who are in your way because you are training and dont tell me my bike is slow, I am the one who is slow, haha. On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Patrick in VT swing4...@gmail.com wrote: On May 21, 12:03 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: Anyway, I agree that some people who own race bikes and related kit are probably stimulated by that aspect of cycling. BUT, how many of them went that direction because of peer pressure or because they didn't know of other options? I don't think there are any shortcuts to finding the stuff that works for us, as individuals. It takes a lot of trial and error and a willingness to try new things and think outside of the box before we find the stuff that really sings. Lack of options is certainly a problem - I suspect that for some of us, most bike shops are mostly irrelevant. But for others just getting into cycling, it's a perfectly adequate place to start. Peer pressure is an issue too, no doubt. But knowing that there are other options and learning that what works for Joe may not work for Jim only comes with experience and at some point we take control of our decisions about what to ride. it's not a coincidence that many older, experienced riders (racers included) have some of the smarter (IMO), more personalized bikes around. same with bike mechanics, who tend to have lots of experience with different bikes/components. there's no real substitute for experience, passion and critical thinking - but how many people are willing to go that far in their decision making process, especially with something that only amounts to a peripheral hobby? a lot of people simply don't care that much and are happy (or content, at least) with that big brand hybrid or whatever. they're certainly not debating low-trail, frame flex, tire clearance, etc. the fact that you discovered an Atlantis says more about you and your approach to exploring something you enjoy doing than anything else. most folks on this list probably don't just scratch the surface of things they really like doing. that's a unique trait and the mass-market is never going favor it - it much prefers hobbyist contentment. Anyway, this subject is interesting to me because i'm going through the learning process now with running - i look at running shoes in an entirely different way now that i'm developing some clear preferences from my running experience and I'm finding options that i simply never knew about or even considered before. There are many parallels to cycling. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New 650B conversion of a 1984 Miyata 912, and a foray into tubeless
Sounds exciting. I have an 84 Trek 620 that I have considered for conversion, but have never gotten up the courage or $$. For now, I've taken off the fenders, which gives me good clearance for JBs. Keep us posted on how this goes. Michael On Monday, May 21, 2012 1:55:57 PM UTC-4, William wrote: I'm in the midst of a 650B conversion that I'm pretty excited about. I've acquired a 1984 Miyata 912, and it's getting resurrected. The major enhancement in my eyes is that I'll be converting it from a solid road bike that can take 700x25c tires without fenders, into a bike that can take 650x38B tires with fenders. This conversion has a couple new aspects for me. The clearance at the forks and the seatstays was wide enough for Hetres, but it was cozy down at the chainstays. I researched a little through the various forums and on flickr and got my courage up to crush the chainstays a little bit to make some extra room. That worked great, and I'll go at it again if I actually decide to run Hetres. For now it'll be Soma B-Lines. The other highlights are that I'll be running the new, lighter weight Velocity A23 650B rims, exclusively available from Longleaf in New Hampshire. Those rims, along with some advice from Anthony at Longleaf has got me convinced to give tubeless a try. I'm a little freaked out by the concept, and I'm nervous that I'll make a mess of the whole thing, but at the same time I'm excited to learn something new. Finally, this bike will be the home for a Sugino compact double that I beautified as my first bike part polishing project. It was a 52/42/30 130/74mm crankset, that I've converted to a chainguard/42/26. This bike is tagged to become my new commute bike. I've been using the Bombadil for my daily commute. That commute involves bike on the roof of the car in the morning (carpool), and then a bike/BART commute home in the evening. The ride home from BART is 2 miles, 600ft of climbing. The Bomba is obviously smooth, rugged, and reliable. The shortcomings are that the Bombadil is heavy for the roof rack, heavy for BART steps, and heavy for the 600ft climb, not to mention valuable to be subjected to 30 miles of freeway roofrackage every morning. This Miyata will essentially be everything a Bleriot or a Betty Foy would have been for me. Hopefully I can have it running by next week. pics show some of the progress: http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/sets/72157629709054752/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/MqNq9aRULqMJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] South Bay Area S24O invite...
Andrew and other South Bay S24O riders, I so wish I could join you. Even though I live in the South Bay and have camped at most of the area campgrounds, somehow I've never camped at Castle Rock. Have fun, South Bay Riv campers! Maybe Manny will come along on his new bike and bring *bacon-wrapped hotdogs*. Or, really, bacon-wrapped anything. -- Anne On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 10:39 AM, ANDREW LETTON let...@flash.net wrote: Hi South Bay Area Folks- All this talk of bike camping has gotten my camping bug going... I've been working on a remodel job at our house far too hard and far too long, so my lovely wife has encouraged me to take some time for myself this coming weekend. I've been wanting to do an S24O for ages, but just never made the time. I figure if I announce it to the world then it will happen! (Article on S24O camping: https://www.adventurecycling.org/resources/Petersen_S240s.pdf ) When: next Monday evening (Memorial Day) 5/28/2012 Where: Castle Rock State Park hiker-biker campground, aka Castle Rock Trail Camp Camp map: http://www.parks.ca.gov/pages/538/files/CastleRockCGmap.pdf I've never camped there, but I did scout the campground by bike a few years back, and the access road is ridable (albeit a bit steep in places) on a road bike. Bike access to the campground is only via the ~1 mile dirt road called Service Road Trail on the map, which is about 1.5 miles South of Hwy 9 on Hwy 35/Skyline Blvd. The Service Road Trail shares a driveway with the Los Altos Rod Gun Club at 14750 SKYLINE BOULEVARD, LOS GATOS, CA 95033. The Service Road is to the left when facing the Gun Club entrance. (The Gun Club is closed Mon-Wed, so we shouldn't hear any shooting.) There is (purportedly) piped drinking water at the campground, though in these times of tight state budgets, I'll be bringing enough to get through the night, just in case water is not available. I'll be registering for a campsite, which is good for up to six people, so no need for you to register unless we get a crowd. I'm planning to ride from our home in Redwood Estates via Summit/Skyline, leaving late afternoon, with a very rough ETA at the campground of 5-6pm -- time enough to pitch camp, eat some dinner, and maybe take a hike to see the sunset. In the morning I'm planning to rise relatively early -- we'll see how that goes! ;-) -- and ride to my work in Scotts Valley via Skyline/Summit/Zayante/Mt Hermon. Castle Rock Park is on the list of parks slated to close next month due to the State's budget woes, so this may be the last chance to camp here for a while. I'd love to have some company; hope to meet you there. cheers, Andrew -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New 650B conversion of a 1984 Miyata 912, and a foray into tubeless
For me the big deal is BB height before and after. Plan it out and try to keep it at or above 260mm. This bike measured 265 with 700x20 tires. If I went to 650x32, it would drop me 7mm lower into the danger zone. 650x38 drops me 1mm (plus any tire sag), so it should be perfecto. On Monday, May 21, 2012 11:03:55 AM UTC-7, MichaelH wrote: Sounds exciting. I have an 84 Trek 620 that I have considered for conversion, but have never gotten up the courage or $$. For now, I've taken off the fenders, which gives me good clearance for JBs. Keep us posted on how this goes. Michael On Monday, May 21, 2012 1:55:57 PM UTC-4, William wrote: I'm in the midst of a 650B conversion that I'm pretty excited about. I've acquired a 1984 Miyata 912, and it's getting resurrected. The major enhancement in my eyes is that I'll be converting it from a solid road bike that can take 700x25c tires without fenders, into a bike that can take 650x38B tires with fenders. This conversion has a couple new aspects for me. The clearance at the forks and the seatstays was wide enough for Hetres, but it was cozy down at the chainstays. I researched a little through the various forums and on flickr and got my courage up to crush the chainstays a little bit to make some extra room. That worked great, and I'll go at it again if I actually decide to run Hetres. For now it'll be Soma B-Lines. The other highlights are that I'll be running the new, lighter weight Velocity A23 650B rims, exclusively available from Longleaf in New Hampshire. Those rims, along with some advice from Anthony at Longleaf has got me convinced to give tubeless a try. I'm a little freaked out by the concept, and I'm nervous that I'll make a mess of the whole thing, but at the same time I'm excited to learn something new. Finally, this bike will be the home for a Sugino compact double that I beautified as my first bike part polishing project. It was a 52/42/30 130/74mm crankset, that I've converted to a chainguard/42/26. This bike is tagged to become my new commute bike. I've been using the Bombadil for my daily commute. That commute involves bike on the roof of the car in the morning (carpool), and then a bike/BART commute home in the evening. The ride home from BART is 2 miles, 600ft of climbing. The Bomba is obviously smooth, rugged, and reliable. The shortcomings are that the Bombadil is heavy for the roof rack, heavy for BART steps, and heavy for the 600ft climb, not to mention valuable to be subjected to 30 miles of freeway roofrackage every morning. This Miyata will essentially be everything a Bleriot or a Betty Foy would have been for me. Hopefully I can have it running by next week. pics show some of the progress: http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/sets/72157629709054752/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/uMDB08_PaXkJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New 650B conversion of a 1984 Miyata 912, and a foray into tubeless
Interestingly enough for me the idea was to get lower than that - closer to the 250mm of the Mariposa. I didn't quite make it but between the drop I did achieve and the reduced trail the handle of my (now departed) Heron Road was wonderfully light compared to the same bike with 700x28's. -Ken On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 1:21 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: For me the big deal is BB height before and after. Plan it out and try to keep it at or above 260mm. This bike measured 265 with 700x20 tires. If I went to 650x32, it would drop me 7mm lower into the danger zone. 650x38 drops me 1mm (plus any tire sag), so it should be perfecto. On Monday, May 21, 2012 11:03:55 AM UTC-7, MichaelH wrote: Sounds exciting. I have an 84 Trek 620 that I have considered for conversion, but have never gotten up the courage or $$. For now, I've taken off the fenders, which gives me good clearance for JBs. Keep us posted on how this goes. Michael On Monday, May 21, 2012 1:55:57 PM UTC-4, William wrote: I'm in the midst of a 650B conversion that I'm pretty excited about. I've acquired a 1984 Miyata 912, and it's getting resurrected. The major enhancement in my eyes is that I'll be converting it from a solid road bike that can take 700x25c tires without fenders, into a bike that can take 650x38B tires with fenders. This conversion has a couple new aspects for me. The clearance at the forks and the seatstays was wide enough for Hetres, but it was cozy down at the chainstays. I researched a little through the various forums and on flickr and got my courage up to crush the chainstays a little bit to make some extra room. That worked great, and I'll go at it again if I actually decide to run Hetres. For now it'll be Soma B-Lines. The other highlights are that I'll be running the new, lighter weight Velocity A23 650B rims, exclusively available from Longleaf in New Hampshire. Those rims, along with some advice from Anthony at Longleaf has got me convinced to give tubeless a try. I'm a little freaked out by the concept, and I'm nervous that I'll make a mess of the whole thing, but at the same time I'm excited to learn something new. Finally, this bike will be the home for a Sugino compact double that I beautified as my first bike part polishing project. It was a 52/42/30 130/74mm crankset, that I've converted to a chainguard/42/26. This bike is tagged to become my new commute bike. I've been using the Bombadil for my daily commute. That commute involves bike on the roof of the car in the morning (carpool), and then a bike/BART commute home in the evening. The ride home from BART is 2 miles, 600ft of climbing. The Bomba is obviously smooth, rugged, and reliable. The shortcomings are that the Bombadil is heavy for the roof rack, heavy for BART steps, and heavy for the 600ft climb, not to mention valuable to be subjected to 30 miles of freeway roofrackage every morning. This Miyata will essentially be everything a Bleriot or a Betty Foy would have been for me. Hopefully I can have it running by next week. pics show some of the progress: http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/sets/72157629709054752/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/uMDB08_PaXkJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Crank puller help
hey all - i need some counsel. i wrote last week about a front derailler problem (i smashed it into the outer chainring by accident, bending the FD and the chainring). I have my new chainrings, and am attempting to use my Park Tool CCP 22 crank puller to get the driveside crank off. i have it threaded into the crank (sugino xd2) and followed the directions for the tool, but i can't get the puller to budge. I am a pretty strong dude and am putting my might into it, to no avail. Holding non-driveside crank with my right arm, pushing down on crank puller with left. Any ideas? Is it usually pretty easy to get the crank off? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/roiqkLQfnQkJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Crank puller help
Did you make sure to remove the washer under the crank bolt? If that's still there, the crank won't come off. --Eric N On May 21, 2012, at 11:27 AM, Zack zack...@gmail.com wrote: hey all - i need some counsel. i wrote last week about a front derailler problem (i smashed it into the outer chainring by accident, bending the FD and the chainring). I have my new chainrings, and am attempting to use my Park Tool CCP 22 crank puller to get the driveside crank off. i have it threaded into the crank (sugino xd2) and followed the directions for the tool, but i can't get the puller to budge. I am a pretty strong dude and am putting my might into it, to no avail. Holding non-driveside crank with my right arm, pushing down on crank puller with left. Any ideas? Is it usually pretty easy to get the crank off? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/roiqkLQfnQkJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Crank puller help
Sorry to ask obvious questions but did you thread the nut all the way into your crank then screw the puller into that? I have found with older removals you need to really bottom out that first part of the assembly to get second part to give you the leverage you need. Also you will notice puller has a small nipple at the top you can unscrew a bit to give you a bit more leverage. Sorry if this has all been tried. Good luck! On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Zack zack...@gmail.com wrote: hey all - i need some counsel. i wrote last week about a front derailler problem (i smashed it into the outer chainring by accident, bending the FD and the chainring). I have my new chainrings, and am attempting to use my Park Tool CCP 22 crank puller to get the driveside crank off. i have it threaded into the crank (sugino xd2) and followed the directions for the tool, but i can't get the puller to budge. I am a pretty strong dude and am putting my might into it, to no avail. Holding non-driveside crank with my right arm, pushing down on crank puller with left. Any ideas? Is it usually pretty easy to get the crank off? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/roiqkLQfnQkJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Crank puller help
grease the bajeezus out of the threads between the two parts of the park tool. On Monday, May 21, 2012 11:27:55 AM UTC-7, Zack wrote: hey all - i need some counsel. i wrote last week about a front derailler problem (i smashed it into the outer chainring by accident, bending the FD and the chainring). I have my new chainrings, and am attempting to use my Park Tool CCP 22 crank puller to get the driveside crank off. i have it threaded into the crank (sugino xd2) and followed the directions for the tool, but i can't get the puller to budge. I am a pretty strong dude and am putting my might into it, to no avail. Holding non-driveside crank with my right arm, pushing down on crank puller with left. Any ideas? Is it usually pretty easy to get the crank off? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/4UGvTsY-0WcJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Crank puller help
Zack, if it is not coming off with that kind of effort something is wrong. As Eric said, make sure there is no washer between your crank and tool. Review these instructions: http://www.parktool.com/blog/repair-help/crank-installation-and-removal-square-spindle-type Good luck, David G, Madison WI On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Zack zack...@gmail.com wrote: hey all - i need some counsel. i wrote last week about a front derailler problem (i smashed it into the outer chainring by accident, bending the FD and the chainring). I have my new chainrings, and am attempting to use my Park Tool CCP 22 crank puller to get the driveside crank off. i have it threaded into the crank (sugino xd2) and followed the directions for the tool, but i can't get the puller to budge. I am a pretty strong dude and am putting my might into it, to no avail. Holding non-driveside crank with my right arm, pushing down on crank puller with left. Any ideas? Is it usually pretty easy to get the crank off? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Crank puller help
Eric - I don't see a washer, I took off the dust cover, first part of the assembly was not screwed all the way into crank first time. greasing it up and giving it a shot again. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ZlBQcj-wj04J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] New Hunqapillar
Beauty! I lve the Hunqapillar - it is a great smooth ride. One thing about the 54 I just got - it has a nice long top tube (58.4cm). Definitely built to be laid out if you set it up with drops or moustaches. It feels similar in length to my 59cm Hilsen. I believe the length is only 1.6 cm different between a 54 and 58. I'm about 5'11 with longer legs, so the 54 feels plenty spacious for me. For a smaller rider, a Bubar or Alba would be perfect. Pics of my new 54cm. Took it on the maiden rain commute today :) http://flic.kr/p/c2Jcqo Brian Seattle, WA On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Doug Magney yengamg...@gmail.com wrote: Thought I'd share some details with the group of my new 62 Hunqapillar. I've been commuting with it for a few days now and it's all I hoped it would be. Feels like sitting in a big oak Morris chair, definitely the most comfortable bike I've ridden. Pictures here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/58723422@N02/sets/72157629818804774/ and some build details: Thill-built Velocity Dyad 40 front and rear, Phil touring hub, Schmidt SON Classic Brooks B67 antique brown Albatross Tektro levers Shimano CX-70 cantis Ergon biocork grips Silver thumbshifters Nitto tallux 12 cm SKS P50 Sugino XD triple 46-36-24 175 Microshift triple fd Shimano Deore XT low normal Sunrace fw 13-32 Nitto mini front and platrack Nitto S83 27.2 Grip King B M IQ cyo, silver -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/qCqZ-DJaRR0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Crank puller help
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Zack zack...@gmail.com wrote: hey all - i need some counsel. i wrote last week about a front derailler problem (i smashed it into the outer chainring by accident, bending the FD and the chainring). I have my new chainrings, and am attempting to use my Park Tool CCP 22 crank puller to get the driveside crank off. i have it threaded into the crank (sugino xd2) and followed the directions for the tool, but i can't get the puller to budge. I am a pretty strong dude and am putting my might into it, to no avail. Holding non-driveside crank with my right arm, pushing down on crank puller with left. Any ideas? Is it usually pretty easy to get the crank off? They can be a bit tough but not too bad. The washer that others have mentioned is the most frequent problem - with that in there all you could succeed in doing is ruining the threads. I've found that instead of trying to get leverage through the frame (using the off-side crank) I do better if I can line the crank puller's lever just off-line with the crank I'm trying to remove so squeezing them together works to pull the crank. -Ken -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Crank puller help
nope. i can't get the first part of the assembly all the way into the crank, there is about 1/3 of threaded stuff left, even if i tighten with a wrench. greasing didn't help. is there something that could happen that would cause it to be particularly tough to get off? also, i think that i have a different crank puller, i don't see a way to get more leverage with this thing. (park tool ccp 22) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/R0vWESH3TkAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Crank puller help
If you can only get two thirds of it in then something is still in there - a bolt, a stack of washers or something similar. That or the threads are already fragged. Maybe a picture of what they look like would be useful. The Park should provide plenty of leverage but lining it up near parallel to the crank arm allows you to use a squeezing motion that doesn't cause much rotation of the rest of the assembly that you need to fight. -Ken -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Crank puller help
remove the handle part of the puller and confirm the plug part is ALL the way in with a big crescent wrench thread the handle/bolt part back in until it bottoms out. then TAP it with a hammer... emphasis on TAP... do not swing and whack it... think finesse with force... not I need a bigger hammer ... it should come free with muscle though. --Andy On Monday, May 21, 2012 11:42:44 AM UTC-7, Zack wrote: nope. i can't get the first part of the assembly all the way into the crank, there is about 1/3 of threaded stuff left, even if i tighten with a wrench. greasing didn't help. is there something that could happen that would cause it to be particularly tough to get off? also, i think that i have a different crank puller, i don't see a way to get more leverage with this thing. (park tool ccp 22) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ycIpntntLGUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Mark's Mini Rack Fenders
Sorry for the late reply. I used an unthreaded metric spacers from McMasterhttp://www.mcmaster.com/#unthreaded-metric-spacers/=hmtghb. Use M5 screw size and 10mm OD (outer diameter). The length is dependent on your setup. I never considered lowering the rack. The gap is simply too big. The front plate of the rack (which can be used to mount headlight or platrack) will hit the fender before the gap is closed off. The spot used to secure front fender, as shown in the Flickr picturehttp://www.flickr.com/photos/21531208@N00/6670533223/in/set-72157628802524201/, isn't really ideal. I really wish Rivendell would modify the design of the Mark's Rack, either adding a fender boss like the Mini-Front or re-issuing the longer version of front dive board. On Thursday, May 17, 2012 7:32:14 AM UTC-4, MichaelH wrote: Yup, that's about what I had in mind. Apparently you didn't attempt to bring the rack any lower. The spacer looks pretty wide, what did you use? I'm thinking wine cork. Michael On Thursday, May 17, 2012 12:08:51 AM UTC-4, Chris wrote: I did it on my wife's Betty. Here's a picture: http://www.flickr.com/photos/21531208@N00/6670533223/in/set-72157628802524201/ I switched to a longer bolt and filled the gap with a spacer. It'd be nice if Riv still supplies the longer version of diving board as shown in the default picturehttp://www.rivbike.com/PhotoGallery.asp?ProductCode=R1PhotoNumber=2. Then we can use the opening at the tip of the board to secure fender. It's really a much more ideal spot as it's much closer to the fender. Chris On Wednesday, May 16, 2012 6:33:59 PM UTC-4, MichaelH wrote: Has anyone attached this rack to a front fender? Mine sits very high and would take some reshaping to bring it near my front fender. Since I'm considering reinstalling the fenders, it would be nice to create an additional attachment. Michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/bppndTeUcb8J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Crank puller help
on second thought a set of pics is a better idea On Monday, May 21, 2012 11:48:55 AM UTC-7, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote: remove the handle part of the puller and confirm the plug part is ALL the way in with a big crescent wrench thread the handle/bolt part back in until it bottoms out. then TAP it with a hammer... emphasis on TAP... do not swing and whack it... think finesse with force... not I need a bigger hammer ... it should come free with muscle though. --Andy On Monday, May 21, 2012 11:42:44 AM UTC-7, Zack wrote: nope. i can't get the first part of the assembly all the way into the crank, there is about 1/3 of threaded stuff left, even if i tighten with a wrench. greasing didn't help. is there something that could happen that would cause it to be particularly tough to get off? also, i think that i have a different crank puller, i don't see a way to get more leverage with this thing. (park tool ccp 22) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Dfd0VByQoXcJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Hunqapillar
Jealous On Sunday, May 20, 2012 1:46:47 PM UTC-7, Doug Magney wrote: Thought I'd share some details with the group of my new 62 Hunqapillar. I've been commuting with it for a few days now and it's all I hoped it would be. Feels like sitting in a big oak Morris chair, definitely the most comfortable bike I've ridden. Pictures here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/58723422@N02/sets/72157629818804774/ and some build details: Thill-built Velocity Dyad 40 front and rear, Phil touring hub, Schmidt SON Classic Brooks B67 antique brown Albatross Tektro levers Shimano CX-70 cantis Ergon biocork grips Silver thumbshifters Nitto tallux 12 cm SKS P50 Sugino XD triple 46-36-24 175 Microshift triple fd Shimano Deore XT low normal Sunrace fw 13-32 Nitto mini front and platrack Nitto S83 27.2 Grip King B M IQ cyo, silver -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/e9t94I_cvuEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Crank puller help
On May 21, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Zack wrote: nope. i can't get the first part of the assembly all the way into the crank, there is about 1/3 of threaded stuff left, even if i tighten with a wrench. greasing didn't help. is there something that could happen that would cause it to be particularly tough to get off? This is a good time to exercise one of the best pieces of advice I ever received from my father - when you encounter something that just won't give, step away from it for a while. Just step away. I tend to get so fixated on the problem that I don't immediately see the solution. (My guess is there's a washer in there that, for whatever reason, you aren't seeing right now). Best, Scott Postlewait Seattle, WA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Crank puller help
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Scott Postlewait chsc...@drizzle.com wrote: My guess is there's a washer in there that, for whatever reason, you aren't seeing right now. Stopping to think about it the washer may not be obvious if you haven't done this before. If you look in there and don't see the _square_ hole of the crank arm where it mates with the spindle then you've got something still in there. -Ken -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Crank puller help
You removed the crank bolt first, right? And just to confirm, you have the tool specifically for square taper cranks (it has a blue handle, not a black handle)? Often if it's not budging for some reason, you run the risk of stripping the dust cap threads if you apply that much force. If there are no bolts or washers in the way, then it should come off without so much effort. You can probably replace the middle and big ring without removing the crank. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/FV05vp6MkEcJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] New Hunqapillar
Glad to see it arrived in time for the Riv rally! Look forward to seeing it soon! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/SrGdQEbDqSoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Child's bike seat?
I used the rear-mounted one from Topeak lots when my oldest was young and before I built the ultimate kid-crank tandem. Topeak makes the rack available separately so you can put the rack on both bikes. On its own, it's a decent rack for panniers, etc. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/uQCtMCwVyPwJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Just Ride
On Monday, May 21, 2012 9:03:40 AM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: When I first started cycling as an adult, I purchased a $430 big-brand hybrid style bike that was god-awful ugly but served my novice self perfectly as a commuter and general transportation/recreation machine. But when I decided that I was committed enough to bikes to get something fancier/cooler, the big-brand shop didn't have any upgrades that weren't racing-style bikes or suspended MTBs. The message was clear: the only way to be a serious cyclist was to aspire to the racing image and racing paradigms. I knew that probably was not ever going to be my cup of tea. The ensuing internet research led me to conclude that a touring bike was what I really wanted, but the only one likely to be found locally was the Trek 520, and none of the local shops I called had one in stock. Eventually, I discovered and purchased an Atlantis. That was my first truly good bike, and even though I no longer own it, it has influenced all my subsequent ideas about bikes. Jim, you don't say how old you are, but I'm betting you're quite a bit younger than me (I'm in my mid-50s). What you may not realize is that most LBS stopped selling or at least reduced their inventory of touring-style bikes in the early to mid-80s or when mtb starting becoming popular. I recall Sheldon Brown saying that it took like 2-3 years to sell off well made and reasonable touring style bikes because nobody wanted them. Basically, in the 90s, everyone wanted either a mtb or racing-style bike. The only exception as you noted was Trek with its 520. Riv came along and found the niche and offered touring style to fill that void. Of course, their first bike, the Riv Standard was more racy with short reach brakes and clearance for only 28mm tires than their current offering. I guess you could say its been evolving. Then again, I still don't get two top tubes for a 56cm frame, but that another issueGood Luck! Anyway, I agree that some people who own race bikes and related kit are probably stimulated by that aspect of cycling. BUT, how many of them went that direction because of peer pressure or because they didn't know of other options? On Monday, May 21, 2012 10:05:41 AM UTC-5, Patrick in VT wrote: On May 18, 8:18 am, Pondero cj.spin...@gmail.com wrote: Totally on board with the ride for fun philosophy, but I also suspect that some of those in-training racer folks are actually having fun. Agreed. Almost every racer I know has a lot of fun doing it. And despite certain preferences (some misguided, for sure), a lot of racers are actually pretty passionate about cycling in general which is a good thing. Whether we kike it or not, cycling is still a sport and it's not just lance wannabes who do it - the vast majority of people will never race anywhere near the elite level, let alone pro level. But they do anyway because it's fun to challenge yourself and participate in something. It's no different than any other physical endeavor - you can take it as far as you want. There's a marathon in Burlington, VT this weekend - the event is about as a good of an example as you can get of people of different abilities challenging themselves in the same race. 99% of the people who line up know they will not win the race. 100% are there to prove something to themselves without regard for winning or losing - just finishing, or setting a personal record (the PR) will be a big deal. it's very similar to randonneuring. bike racing is the same. it's all the same - we set goals and take steps to achieve them. whatever keeps people inspired and motivated, more power to them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/MIlIMlsZ80QJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Just Ride
I'm 35, so I missed the bargains on touring bikes in the mid 80s. Of course, mid 80s MTBs were generally pretty fair touring bikes themselves. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/lX883Cm-WQ8J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Just Ride
On May 21, 2:00 pm, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: For me it isnt the gear or the marketing that annoys me about racing bikes but the riders, sad to say. Here in NYC they ride around in their team kit weaving in and out of slower riders and shouting at people who are in their way, its really annoying and dangerous too. They are just truly aggravating and therefore build an animosity in most of us unracers. completely understandable. attitude counts. there's no excuse for being a jerk. i'm fortunate to be in a scene where most of the local pro's and competitive riders (and we have our share) are super nice and respectful on and off the road. interestingly enough, i find that it's usually the lower level amateur racers that are the most aggro/ obnoxious. there seems to be a real mutual respect for others at the higher levels. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New 650B conversion of a 1984 Miyata 912, and a foray into tubeless
You're going to commute on Pari-Motos? Kevin Chicago, IL On Monday, May 21, 2012 12:55:57 PM UTC-5, William wrote: I'm in the midst of a 650B conversion that I'm pretty excited about. I've acquired a 1984 Miyata 912, and it's getting resurrected. The major enhancement in my eyes is that I'll be converting it from a solid road bike that can take 700x25c tires without fenders, into a bike that can take 650x38B tires with fenders. This conversion has a couple new aspects for me. The clearance at the forks and the seatstays was wide enough for Hetres, but it was cozy down at the chainstays. I researched a little through the various forums and on flickr and got my courage up to crush the chainstays a little bit to make some extra room. That worked great, and I'll go at it again if I actually decide to run Hetres. For now it'll be Soma B-Lines. The other highlights are that I'll be running the new, lighter weight Velocity A23 650B rims, exclusively available from Longleaf in New Hampshire. Those rims, along with some advice from Anthony at Longleaf has got me convinced to give tubeless a try. I'm a little freaked out by the concept, and I'm nervous that I'll make a mess of the whole thing, but at the same time I'm excited to learn something new. Finally, this bike will be the home for a Sugino compact double that I beautified as my first bike part polishing project. It was a 52/42/30 130/74mm crankset, that I've converted to a chainguard/42/26. This bike is tagged to become my new commute bike. I've been using the Bombadil for my daily commute. That commute involves bike on the roof of the car in the morning (carpool), and then a bike/BART commute home in the evening. The ride home from BART is 2 miles, 600ft of climbing. The Bomba is obviously smooth, rugged, and reliable. The shortcomings are that the Bombadil is heavy for the roof rack, heavy for BART steps, and heavy for the 600ft climb, not to mention valuable to be subjected to 30 miles of freeway roofrackage every morning. This Miyata will essentially be everything a Bleriot or a Betty Foy would have been for me. Hopefully I can have it running by next week. pics show some of the progress: http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/sets/72157629709054752/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/WuAhfZsN0uMJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Crank puller help
Ok, closing the loop - I rode it over to the LBS, as I wasn't getting anywhere. Sugino XD doesn't have one of the bolts inside, just FYI. Has the dust cap cover thing, but that's it. Took some penetrating oil and a few minutes of using a crank pulling tool that allowed for a long wrench handle. Must have been on really tight, it was seized up a little bit. I don't think there is any way I could have gotten it off w/ the little park tool, and neither did LBS mechanic dude. So it's off now. A follow-up question - do you guys grease the threads of the bottom bracket taper thing? LBS guy said never to do that, could be why it was on so tight. wondering what the riv approach is with this one. i haven't messed with the crank until now (it came installed by riv when I got the Sam). any tips for putting the crank back on? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/mH92O27_MbMJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Crank puller help
grease the taper? YES. http://janheine.wordpress.com/2012/04/16/to-grease-or-not-to-grease/ http://janheine.wordpress.com/2012/04/16/to-grease-or-not-to-grease/ On Monday, May 21, 2012 1:00:32 PM UTC-7, Zack wrote: Ok, closing the loop - I rode it over to the LBS, as I wasn't getting anywhere. Sugino XD doesn't have one of the bolts inside, just FYI. Has the dust cap cover thing, but that's it. Took some penetrating oil and a few minutes of using a crank pulling tool that allowed for a long wrench handle. Must have been on really tight, it was seized up a little bit. I don't think there is any way I could have gotten it off w/ the little park tool, and neither did LBS mechanic dude. So it's off now. A follow-up question - do you guys grease the threads of the bottom bracket taper thing? LBS guy said never to do that, could be why it was on so tight. wondering what the riv approach is with this one. i haven't messed with the crank until now (it came installed by riv when I got the Sam). any tips for putting the crank back on? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/K3RJGpQEuu8J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride
My experience, too. Albuquerque has a very extensive cycling population among whom are many racers. I've caught up to or otherwise ridden with several of the higher level ones and they have been uniformly polite; one sponsored man telling me, hang on, if you want. (I wanted but realized I couldn't, thereby saving myself much needed humiliation.) The Masters-level captain of a local team rode with me two or three times -- we lived in the same neighborhood. (This was some years go; come to think of it, all of these instances were ~10 years ago which says something of the decline in my speed.) The assholes have been, at least to first appearance and seeming ability, neophytes, like the jerk who drafted me on the grocery-front-loaded Herse, of all things (huge porteur bag stuffed with 25 lb) and, when I expressed my annoyance, passed me on the *right* resulting in some words from me -- as well as an attempt to draft *him* which succeeded for a mile or so). OTOH, I think ABQ has, probably just from the size of the cycling population, all sorts including a large and lively hilpster population. Just last week I passed two women on what looked to be very high end Dutch bikes: glossy colors, colored balloon tires, hub brakes, full fenders and chaincases, lighting: should have slowed to talk but didn't think about it until half mile ahead. The bike shops here carry a wide selection of different types; even the high end racing shop nearby carried Amersterdams and Milanos in addition to the $4500 carbon fiber 29ers and Cervelos. They do much of my special ordering: SS stuff, dynamo stuff, 27 mm wide Synergy rims, ooh'd and aah'd over the trike, built my SnoCat wheels, etc. On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Patrick in VT swing4...@gmail.com wrote: completely understandable. attitude counts. there's no excuse for being a jerk. i'm fortunate to be in a scene where most of the local pro's and competitive riders (and we have our share) are super nice and respectful on and off the road. interestingly enough, i find that it's usually the lower level amateur racers that are the most aggro/ obnoxious. there seems to be a real mutual respect for others at the higher levels. -- - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. Rainer Maria Rilke, Buddha in Glory -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: TRP Brake Levers?
Thanks for all the comments, my main interest was the improved braking from the hoods and it sounds like that is their biggest benefit. The aesthetic improvement will be appreciated, at least unlike a beautiful lugged seatpost these I can see while riding ;-) They will go on this weekend! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] For Sale: Sackville Shopsack (Med), Sackville SaddleSack (Large) Camelback Bottle Pouch
I'll take the shop sack if you've still got it. Mobile-version google groups don't allow private responses (for me, right now)? My email is Philip -dot- Williamson -at- gmail -dot- com. Thanks, Philip Philip Williamson www.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/V0gLQx2LEhAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Crank puller help
Grease the taper and use a torque wrench. Note that Phil and Topline (to name just two off the top of my head) both recommend/ed a bit o' grease. On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 2:08 PM, Andy Smitty Schmidt 54ca...@gmail.com wrote: grease the taper? YES. http://janheine.wordpress.com/2012/04/16/to-grease-or-not-to-grease/ On Monday, May 21, 2012 1:00:32 PM UTC-7, Zack wrote: Ok, closing the loop - I rode it over to the LBS, as I wasn't getting anywhere. Sugino XD doesn't have one of the bolts inside, just FYI. Has the dust cap cover thing, but that's it. Took some penetrating oil and a few minutes of using a crank pulling tool that allowed for a long wrench handle. Must have been on really tight, it was seized up a little bit. I don't think there is any way I could have gotten it off w/ the little park tool, and neither did LBS mechanic dude. So it's off now. A follow-up question - do you guys grease the threads of the bottom bracket taper thing? LBS guy said never to do that, could be why it was on so tight. wondering what the riv approach is with this one. i haven't messed with the crank until now (it came installed by riv when I got the Sam). any tips for putting the crank back on? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/K3RJGpQEuu8J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. Rainer Maria Rilke, Buddha in Glory -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Crank puller help
I'm a taper greaser. (a little confused that you say there's no bolt holding the crank on, but it sounds like it worked out) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/vEY3Ko8Ki_kJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Crank puller help
Auto-extractors? -Ken On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: I'm a taper greaser. (a little confused that you say there's no bolt holding the crank on, but it sounds like it worked out) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/vEY3Ko8Ki_kJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Crank puller help
OMG, Zach, not the grease or don't grease the spindle question! Your heads will spin before everyone is done weighing in on this. For years I didn't, now I do, and I use a torque wrench to finish the job off. Glad you got the old one off. Michael On Monday, May 21, 2012 4:00:32 PM UTC-4, Zack wrote: Ok, closing the loop - I rode it over to the LBS, as I wasn't getting anywhere. Sugino XD doesn't have one of the bolts inside, just FYI. Has the dust cap cover thing, but that's it. Took some penetrating oil and a few minutes of using a crank pulling tool that allowed for a long wrench handle. Must have been on really tight, it was seized up a little bit. I don't think there is any way I could have gotten it off w/ the little park tool, and neither did LBS mechanic dude. So it's off now. A follow-up question - do you guys grease the threads of the bottom bracket taper thing? LBS guy said never to do that, could be why it was on so tight. wondering what the riv approach is with this one. i haven't messed with the crank until now (it came installed by riv when I got the Sam). any tips for putting the crank back on? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/hWKbfnjh7mAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Crank puller help
One vote for me for NO GREASE, but I do recommend a torque wrench for reinstalling the arms. Scott On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Kenneth Stagg kenneth.st...@gmail.comwrote: Auto-extractors? -Ken On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: I'm a taper greaser. (a little confused that you say there's no bolt holding the crank on, but it sounds like it worked out) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/vEY3Ko8Ki_kJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Just Ride
On May 21, 1:55 pm, Patrick in VT swing4...@gmail.com wrote: i find that it's usually the lower level amateur racers that are the most aggro/ obnoxious. there seems to be a real mutual respect for others at the higher levels. I don't think biking is any different than any other sport in that regards. Look around a ski area, the sponsored skiers are usually rather pleasant. The next rung down not so much so. Probably the biggest reason I avoid Snowbird, too many brobrahs -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Crank puller help
On May 21, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Zack wrote: do you guys grease the threads of the bottom bracket taper thing? LBS guy said never to do that, could be why it was on so tight. wondering what the riv approach is with this one. i haven't messed with the crank until now (it came installed by riv when I got the Sam). I grease (usually wearing a helmet and thinking about what type of chain lube to use) Scott couldn't resist Postlewait Seattle, WA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: TRP Brake Levers?
The Cane Creek / Tech's have also been redesigned with more ergo feeling levers. The Cane Creek version comes in gum hoods and still about $45 if I remember. But the TRP do look nice. Michael On Monday, May 21, 2012 4:11:13 PM UTC-4, Rambouilleting Utahn wrote: Thanks for all the comments, my main interest was the improved braking from the hoods and it sounds like that is their biggest benefit. The aesthetic improvement will be appreciated, at least unlike a beautiful lugged seatpost these I can see while riding ;-) They will go on this weekend! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/qKpAeAgePi8J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Crank puller help
ahah. didn't know i was going to step into controversy the likes of helmet/no helmet with the whole grease thing. the dust cover is also the bolt on the sugino crank. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/LVnz9-De-R8J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Crank puller help
also, thanks for the help, much appreciated. i don't have a torque wrench, so I most likely will get the bolt on as tight as i can and ride back to LBS. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/SjGaKFTFgd0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Crank puller help
OK, I'll weigh in on this ... Not sure where I learned this, but I was taught not to grease square tapers, but to grease ISIS/splined setups. That's always worked for me. --Eric N On May 21, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Zack zack...@gmail.com wrote: do you guys grease the threads of the bottom bracket taper thing? LBS guy said never to do that, could be why it was on so tight -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: For Sale: Sackville Shopsack (Med), Sackville SaddleSack (Large) Camelback Bottle Pouch
Forgot to mention that I'd like to sell it locally. If a local buyer doesn't come forward, I'll ship it. thanks On May 21, 1:12 pm, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com wrote: I'll take the shop sack if you've still got it. Mobile-version google groups don't allow private responses (for me, right now)? My email is Philip -dot- Williamson -at- gmail -dot- com. Thanks, Philip Philip Williamsonwww.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New 650B conversion of a 1984 Miyata 912, and a foray into tubeless
For now it'll be Soma B-Lines. On Monday, May 21, 2012 12:56:19 PM UTC-7, Kevin Mulcahy wrote: You're going to commute on Pari-Motos? Kevin Chicago, IL On Monday, May 21, 2012 12:55:57 PM UTC-5, William wrote: I'm in the midst of a 650B conversion that I'm pretty excited about. I've acquired a 1984 Miyata 912, and it's getting resurrected. The major enhancement in my eyes is that I'll be converting it from a solid road bike that can take 700x25c tires without fenders, into a bike that can take 650x38B tires with fenders. This conversion has a couple new aspects for me. The clearance at the forks and the seatstays was wide enough for Hetres, but it was cozy down at the chainstays. I researched a little through the various forums and on flickr and got my courage up to crush the chainstays a little bit to make some extra room. That worked great, and I'll go at it again if I actually decide to run Hetres. For now it'll be Soma B-Lines. The other highlights are that I'll be running the new, lighter weight Velocity A23 650B rims, exclusively available from Longleaf in New Hampshire. Those rims, along with some advice from Anthony at Longleaf has got me convinced to give tubeless a try. I'm a little freaked out by the concept, and I'm nervous that I'll make a mess of the whole thing, but at the same time I'm excited to learn something new. Finally, this bike will be the home for a Sugino compact double that I beautified as my first bike part polishing project. It was a 52/42/30 130/74mm crankset, that I've converted to a chainguard/42/26. This bike is tagged to become my new commute bike. I've been using the Bombadil for my daily commute. That commute involves bike on the roof of the car in the morning (carpool), and then a bike/BART commute home in the evening. The ride home from BART is 2 miles, 600ft of climbing. The Bomba is obviously smooth, rugged, and reliable. The shortcomings are that the Bombadil is heavy for the roof rack, heavy for BART steps, and heavy for the 600ft climb, not to mention valuable to be subjected to 30 miles of freeway roofrackage every morning. This Miyata will essentially be everything a Bleriot or a Betty Foy would have been for me. Hopefully I can have it running by next week. pics show some of the progress: http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/sets/72157629709054752/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ChU6zLbPDvAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Crank puller help
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Zack zack...@gmail.com wrote: also, thanks for the help, much appreciated. i don't have a torque wrench, so I most likely will get the bolt on as tight as i can and ride back to LBS. Zack, You said you were a strong guy? Don't put it on as tight as you can. Snug it down - make sure it doesn't move - then go get the torque wrench to finish it off. A torque wrench takes all the guess work out of it and it makes me feel much better about getting things installed properly. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New 650B conversion of a 1984 Miyata 912, and a foray into tubeless
On Mon, 2012-05-21 at 13:54 -0700, William wrote: For now it'll be Soma B-Lines. but depending on the roads you ride and how flush you feel, it wouldn't be totally crazy to commute on Pari Motos. I rode them last year on numerous rides including gravel roads, got 1600 miles or thereabouts from the back tire. That's better, and they're less expensive, than some of the people who commute on racing bikes get on their 23mm tires. On Monday, May 21, 2012 12:56:19 PM UTC-7, Kevin Mulcahy wrote: You're going to commute on Pari-Motos? Kevin Chicago, IL On Monday, May 21, 2012 12:55:57 PM UTC-5, William wrote: I'm in the midst of a 650B conversion that I'm pretty excited about. I've acquired a 1984 Miyata 912, and it's getting resurrected. The major enhancement in my eyes is that I'll be converting it from a solid road bike that can take 700x25c tires without fenders, into a bike that can take 650x38B tires with fenders. This conversion has a couple new aspects for me. The clearance at the forks and the seatstays was wide enough for Hetres, but it was cozy down at the chainstays. I researched a little through the various forums and on flickr and got my courage up to crush the chainstays a little bit to make some extra room. That worked great, and I'll go at it again if I actually decide to run Hetres. For now it'll be Soma B-Lines. The other highlights are that I'll be running the new, lighter weight Velocity A23 650B rims, exclusively available from Longleaf in New Hampshire. Those rims, along with some advice from Anthony at Longleaf has got me convinced to give tubeless a try. I'm a little freaked out by the concept, and I'm nervous that I'll make a mess of the whole thing, but at the same time I'm excited to learn something new. Finally, this bike will be the home for a Sugino compact double that I beautified as my first bike part polishing project. It was a 52/42/30 130/74mm crankset, that I've converted to a chainguard/42/26. This bike is tagged to become my new commute bike. I've been using the Bombadil for my daily commute. That commute involves bike on the roof of the car in the morning (carpool), and then a bike/BART commute home in the evening. The ride home from BART is 2 miles, 600ft of climbing. The Bomba is obviously smooth, rugged, and reliable. The shortcomings are that the Bombadil is heavy for the roof rack, heavy for BART steps, and heavy for the 600ft climb, not to mention valuable to be subjected to 30 miles of freeway roofrackage every morning. This Miyata will essentially be everything a Bleriot or a Betty Foy would have been for me. Hopefully I can have it running by next week. pics show some of the progress: http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/sets/72157629709054752/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ChU6zLbPDvAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch +unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New 650B conversion of a 1984 Miyata 912, and a foray into tubeless
The Pari Motos in the pictures on my flickr are on the wheels of my A Homer Hilsen at the moment. I pulled a wheel to use as a clearance gauge for the stays. The Hetres in the pictures are on the wheels of my Bombadil. The Soma B-Lines are the tires I intend to use tubeless on this bike. The subtext of your question sounds to me that you think Pari Motos are too light fragile flat-prone and short-lived for commuting. I've found all the above to be true. I've gotten a puncture on almost every long ride I've done on Pari Motos. They are currently on my brevet bike with Foss Innertubes, which I hope will give me better luck. Some say that tubeless is an excellent way to reduce the frequency of punctures, and I'm also eager to see that for myself. On Monday, May 21, 2012 12:56:19 PM UTC-7, Kevin Mulcahy wrote: You're going to commute on Pari-Motos? Kevin Chicago, IL On Monday, May 21, 2012 12:55:57 PM UTC-5, William wrote: I'm in the midst of a 650B conversion that I'm pretty excited about. I've acquired a 1984 Miyata 912, and it's getting resurrected. The major enhancement in my eyes is that I'll be converting it from a solid road bike that can take 700x25c tires without fenders, into a bike that can take 650x38B tires with fenders. This conversion has a couple new aspects for me. The clearance at the forks and the seatstays was wide enough for Hetres, but it was cozy down at the chainstays. I researched a little through the various forums and on flickr and got my courage up to crush the chainstays a little bit to make some extra room. That worked great, and I'll go at it again if I actually decide to run Hetres. For now it'll be Soma B-Lines. The other highlights are that I'll be running the new, lighter weight Velocity A23 650B rims, exclusively available from Longleaf in New Hampshire. Those rims, along with some advice from Anthony at Longleaf has got me convinced to give tubeless a try. I'm a little freaked out by the concept, and I'm nervous that I'll make a mess of the whole thing, but at the same time I'm excited to learn something new. Finally, this bike will be the home for a Sugino compact double that I beautified as my first bike part polishing project. It was a 52/42/30 130/74mm crankset, that I've converted to a chainguard/42/26. This bike is tagged to become my new commute bike. I've been using the Bombadil for my daily commute. That commute involves bike on the roof of the car in the morning (carpool), and then a bike/BART commute home in the evening. The ride home from BART is 2 miles, 600ft of climbing. The Bomba is obviously smooth, rugged, and reliable. The shortcomings are that the Bombadil is heavy for the roof rack, heavy for BART steps, and heavy for the 600ft climb, not to mention valuable to be subjected to 30 miles of freeway roofrackage every morning. This Miyata will essentially be everything a Bleriot or a Betty Foy would have been for me. Hopefully I can have it running by next week. pics show some of the progress: http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/sets/72157629709054752/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/cQPuzsDxuNoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New 650B conversion of a 1984 Miyata 912, and a foray into tubeless
I agree. One *should *be able to commute on Pari Motos, but my Pari Moto experience has been nothing short of spooky. It's not uncommon for me to go years between flats on the road, but on Pari Motos, it's almost every ride. I don't ride a whole lot, probably in the neighborhood of 5000 miles per year. So I put em on, get a few flats, get annoyed and switch out to something else. Then I want to go light again, and I put them back on, get a few more flats, and switch them back out. On Monday, May 21, 2012 2:10:49 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote: On Mon, 2012-05-21 at 13:54 -0700, William wrote: For now it'll be Soma B-Lines. but depending on the roads you ride and how flush you feel, it wouldn't be totally crazy to commute on Pari Motos. I rode them last year on numerous rides including gravel roads, got 1600 miles or thereabouts from the back tire. That's better, and they're less expensive, than some of the people who commute on racing bikes get on their 23mm tires. On Monday, May 21, 2012 12:56:19 PM UTC-7, Kevin Mulcahy wrote: You're going to commute on Pari-Motos? Kevin Chicago, IL On Monday, May 21, 2012 12:55:57 PM UTC-5, William wrote: I'm in the midst of a 650B conversion that I'm pretty excited about. I've acquired a 1984 Miyata 912, and it's getting resurrected. The major enhancement in my eyes is that I'll be converting it from a solid road bike that can take 700x25c tires without fenders, into a bike that can take 650x38B tires with fenders. This conversion has a couple new aspects for me. The clearance at the forks and the seatstays was wide enough for Hetres, but it was cozy down at the chainstays. I researched a little through the various forums and on flickr and got my courage up to crush the chainstays a little bit to make some extra room. That worked great, and I'll go at it again if I actually decide to run Hetres. For now it'll be Soma B-Lines. The other highlights are that I'll be running the new, lighter weight Velocity A23 650B rims, exclusively available from Longleaf in New Hampshire. Those rims, along with some advice from Anthony at Longleaf has got me convinced to give tubeless a try. I'm a little freaked out by the concept, and I'm nervous that I'll make a mess of the whole thing, but at the same time I'm excited to learn something new. Finally, this bike will be the home for a Sugino compact double that I beautified as my first bike part polishing project. It was a 52/42/30 130/74mm crankset, that I've converted to a chainguard/42/26. This bike is tagged to become my new commute bike. I've been using the Bombadil for my daily commute. That commute involves bike on the roof of the car in the morning (carpool), and then a bike/BART commute home in the evening. The ride home from BART is 2 miles, 600ft of climbing. The Bomba is obviously smooth, rugged, and reliable. The shortcomings are that the Bombadil is heavy for the roof rack, heavy for BART steps, and heavy for the 600ft climb, not to mention valuable to be subjected to 30 miles of freeway roofrackage every morning. This Miyata will essentially be everything a Bleriot or a Betty Foy would have been for me. Hopefully I can have it running by next week. pics show some of the progress: http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/sets/72157629709054752/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ChU6zLbPDvAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch +unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New 650B conversion of a 1984 Miyata 912, and a foray into tubeless
On Monday, May 21, 2012 2:14:35 PM UTC-7, William wrote: Some say that tubeless is an excellent way to reduce the frequency of punctures, and I'm also eager to see that for myself. Tubeless are great. I haven't had a flat in four years with tubeless on my mountain bike. Two things about set up: a compressor helps a lot, and soapy water on the bead will help them inflate. Not the cheapest compressors that will inflate beach balls and air mattresses; you want something with a tank, which will probably run $80 to $90. jim m wc ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/prNk6z4GXJAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Thank you
Manny: The only thing better than new is that it's orange! Passion cannot be bought, it's something you learn over time and repetition. Others' interest may wane through your pursuit, your peers may not be those with whom you started but rather who have done the same as you. Compassion cannot be taught, it's learned from the help of others when in need. What's clear in your words and pictures is that you have both, your students are lucky to have such and example on role model! ANDY Pittsburgh -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New 650B conversion of a 1984 Miyata 912, and a foray into tubeless
Thanks for that tip. I'll probably do the wheelbuild and the tire installation at the bike shop where I used to work. That'll give me access to a burly compressor. On Monday, May 21, 2012 2:37:54 PM UTC-7, Jim M. wrote: On Monday, May 21, 2012 2:14:35 PM UTC-7, William wrote: Some say that tubeless is an excellent way to reduce the frequency of punctures, and I'm also eager to see that for myself. Tubeless are great. I haven't had a flat in four years with tubeless on my mountain bike. Two things about set up: a compressor helps a lot, and soapy water on the bead will help them inflate. Not the cheapest compressors that will inflate beach balls and air mattresses; you want something with a tank, which will probably run $80 to $90. jim m wc ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/mCihImpeYJgJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New 650B conversion of a 1984 Miyata 912, and a foray into tubeless
Or, a neighbor like Jim ;-) New business opportunity: Mather's Filling Station =- Joe Bunik Walnut Creek, CA On 5/21/12, Jim M. mather...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, May 21, 2012 2:14:35 PM UTC-7, William wrote: Some say that tubeless is an excellent way to reduce the frequency of punctures, and I'm also eager to see that for myself. Tubeless are great. I haven't had a flat in four years with tubeless on my mountain bike. Two things about set up: a compressor helps a lot, and soapy water on the bead will help them inflate. Not the cheapest compressors that will inflate beach balls and air mattresses; you want something with a tank, which will probably run $80 to $90. jim m wc ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/prNk6z4GXJAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Crank puller help
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Zack zack...@gmail.com wrote: ahah. didn't know i was going to step into controversy the likes of helmet/no helmet with the whole grease thing I love the grease or no grease thread. If you want meaningful torque numbers and if you want to be able to get your crank off one day, you should grease the tapers. If you want to have your crank more or less sieze on there, just go ahead and install the cranks on clean dry tapers. Jan Heine has a typically good post on his blog about this with some more reasoning on why campy may have said do not grease, but I have never installed a crank with no grease and found it satisfying mechanically or on removal, they go on like crap and come off worse. Check out Jans post: http://janheine.wordpress.com/2012/04/16/to-grease-or-not-to-grease/ I think Scott already mentioned this, but he is wrong - I want to point out that I NEVER wear a helmet when installing tapers, otherwise you are doing it wrong. A jaunty bandana around your neck is worse, you may end up having to hacksaw your bottom bracket off the new bike to finish your build. Tarik -- Tarik Saleh tas at tariksaleh dot com in los alamos, po box 208, 87544 http://tariksaleh.com all sorts of bikes blog: http://tsaleh.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New 650B conversion of a 1984 Miyata 912, and a foray into tubeless
On Mon, 2012-05-21 at 14:25 -0700, William wrote: I agree. One should be able to commute on Pari Motos, but my Pari Moto experience has been nothing short of spooky. It's not uncommon for me to go years between flats on the road, but on Pari Motos, it's almost every ride. I don't ride a whole lot, probably in the neighborhood of 5000 miles per year. So I put em on, get a few flats, get annoyed and switch out to something else. Then I want to go light again, and I put them back on, get a few more flats, and switch them back out. You think there's any chance you've got something sharp embedded in the tires that keeps giving you the same flat over and over again? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New 650B conversion of a 1984 Miyata 912, and a foray into tubeless
Yeah, good idea, but no. It's always something different that I'll find in there. Thorn this time, wire next time, glass the time after that. Each time I'd put the tires on, use them for short rides for a few weeks, get my confidence back up, and then at mile 85 of a 200k there I'll be with a flat. Easily fixed and easily diagnosed, but still annoying, since it practically never happens with any other tire. On Monday, May 21, 2012 2:59:35 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote: On Mon, 2012-05-21 at 14:25 -0700, William wrote: I agree. One should be able to commute on Pari Motos, but my Pari Moto experience has been nothing short of spooky. It's not uncommon for me to go years between flats on the road, but on Pari Motos, it's almost every ride. I don't ride a whole lot, probably in the neighborhood of 5000 miles per year. So I put em on, get a few flats, get annoyed and switch out to something else. Then I want to go light again, and I put them back on, get a few more flats, and switch them back out. You think there's any chance you've got something sharp embedded in the tires that keeps giving you the same flat over and over again? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/S8ipZYWzlPoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Thank you
Suh-weet! That color, those bars..it looks very much like my new-to-me XO-1. This is a very good thing. Enjoy, Manny! On May 21, 2:40 pm, ascpgh asc@gmail.com wrote: Manny: The only thing better than new is that it's orange! Passion cannot be bought, it's something you learn over time and repetition. Others' interest may wane through your pursuit, your peers may not be those with whom you started but rather who have done the same as you. Compassion cannot be taught, it's learned from the help of others when in need. What's clear in your words and pictures is that you have both, your students are lucky to have such and example on role model! ANDY Pittsburgh -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Pari-Motos and flats (was Re: New 650B conversion)
I'm thinking about using the Pari-Motos on an event ride. The way I see it, 1 flat/200k is something I could deal with. 2/200k would be--argh, but would survive. Another guy on the list claimed he got one flat every 25 miles--at that rate I would be driven to tears. My other option are Soma Express tires, which ride just fine in my training rides. I got one flat at mile 3, but haven't flatted since... Me + bike and stuff would probably be ~185 lb... Toshi On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 3:18 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, good idea, but no. It's always something different that I'll find in there. Thorn this time, wire next time, glass the time after that. Each time I'd put the tires on, use them for short rides for a few weeks, get my confidence back up, and then at mile 85 of a 200k there I'll be with a flat. Easily fixed and easily diagnosed, but still annoying, since it practically never happens with any other tire. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Pari-Motos and flats (was Re: New 650B conversion)
1,773 flat free miles on my initial pair of Pari-Motos. Just sayin... On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 6:46 PM, Toshi Takeuchi tto...@gmail.com wrote: I'm thinking about using the Pari-Motos on an event ride. The way I see it, 1 flat/200k is something I could deal with. 2/200k would be--argh, but would survive. Another guy on the list claimed he got one flat every 25 miles--at that rate I would be driven to tears. My other option are Soma Express tires, which ride just fine in my training rides. I got one flat at mile 3, but haven't flatted since... Me + bike and stuff would probably be ~185 lb... Toshi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Just Ride
Have had both racing type cyclists and folks I perceive as hardcore runners yell at me. So it's not just bikes. Mentioned this before, but I discovered Rivendell the day after I purchased a Bianchi Volpe at a local racer shop. Mainly as a treat to myself for some weight loss. Along with the fact that particular shop was one I used to dream about buying from. Especially when they had a touring section in the early to mid 1980's. Am old enough to remember numerous folks riding mountain bikes as touring bikes back in those days. An obscure magazine called Mountain Bike for the Adventure promoted the idea. A very early version of bikepacking. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Monday, May 21, 2012 3:18:27 PM UTC-5, Rambouilleting Utahn wrote: I don't think biking is any different than any other sport in that regards. Look around a ski area, the sponsored skiers are usually rather pleasant. The next rung down not so much so. Probably the biggest reason I avoid Snowbird, too many brobrahs -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/N49-RhfiaZQJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] FS: 58 Blue Rambouillet, $1400 OBO Shipped
Hi all, after months of normal bike selling indecision and second guessing I am putting this Rambouillet up for sale. I bought this from the original owner, another list member, but have ended up riding only my Roadeo. I will email you detailed pics if you are interested. Professionally packing and shipping included in the price. Mostly Ultegra build with details listed below. Many new parts as noted, rest have normal wear but are fully functional and good for many many more miles. Ultegra triple crank, 172.5 mm, 48, 42, 28, with Shimano middle ring and unknown but good inner and outer chainrings Ultegra front and rear Derailleurs Shimano HG 27-12 9 speed cassette Suntour bar end shifters Wheels are Ultegra hubs with 32 spoke Open Pro rims and new Jack Brown Green tires - true and fast, I love 'em Nitto 65 seatpost Nitto Noodles, 46 cm Nitto Technomic 5 cm stem Shimano brake levers with Tektro cross levers New SR Respiro saddle New SKS fenders MKS GR9 pedals and half toe clips New bar tape with gel pads underneath I don't know what kind the brakes are, seems to me they are an IRD predecessor I got from Rivendell some years back. They work great. Original Harris Cyclery decal. Paint is very good with a couple of minor chips/scratches and a small chain suck scrape that I can see. The one flaw this bike has is a shallow dimple under the paint in the right side of the top tube. It came to the original owner that way and is a minor cosmetic flaw with no impact on the integrity of the tube. Detailed close ups available. Great riding highly versatile bike, as you already know. Tim Colorado Springs https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/r63JZxbwVkOFnlBZ28b2mbqMA5KdsN8mZ2UqvpUZGj8?feat=email View Photo https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/r63JZxbwVkOFnlBZ28b2mbqMA5KdsN8mZ2UqvpUZGj8?feat=email If you are having problems viewing this email, copy and paste the following into your browser: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/r63JZxbwVkOFnlBZ28b2mbqMA5KdsN8mZ2UqvpUZGj8?feat=email To share your photos or receive notification when your friends share photos, get your own free Picasa Web Albums accounthttps://picasaweb.google.com . https://picasaweb.google.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. picasaweblogo-en_US.gifIMG_0008.JPG
[RBW] Re: New 650B conversion of a 1984 Miyata 912, and a foray into tubeless
On May 21, 2:56 pm, Kevin Mulcahy kpmulc...@gmail.com wrote: You're going to commute on Pari-Motos? I've been regularly commuting on Pari Motos for almost two years now, with two flats total. 9-10 miles each way, suburban streets, paved bike path, and city streets. Plus a 600k solo involving a lot of gravel and a few brevets. I have no qualms recommending them for commuting unless you ride in an urban jungle or where there are goatheads. Ted Durant Milwaukee, WI, USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Pari-Motos and flats (was Re: New 650B conversion)
On Mon, 2012-05-21 at 16:46 -0700, Toshi Takeuchi wrote: I'm thinking about using the Pari-Motos on an event ride. The way I see it, 1 flat/200k is something I could deal with. 2/200k would be--argh, but would survive. Another guy on the list claimed he got one flat every 25 miles--at that rate I would be driven to tears. My other option are Soma Express tires, which ride just fine in my training rides. I got one flat at mile 3, but haven't flatted since... Me + bike and stuff would probably be ~185 lb... For me, one flat in over 1500 miles, then several in under 10 miles at which point I declared the tire done. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Thank you
Orange Riv with 'stache bars... Awesome!!! :D -L -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Zj3DvfE8XhwJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Thank you
Beautiful bike. Nothing like a great new bike. Enjoy! Joe K On May 21, 9:57 pm, Leslie leslie.bri...@gmail.com wrote: Orange Riv with 'stache bars... Awesome!!! :D -L -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Crank puller help
I don't grease, I use chain lube. Very special chain lube. Have found that it's crucial to do this operation only at sunrise while facing east. The helmet is optional contingent on your willingness to accept risk. Good luck, JimD On May 21, 2012, at 1:21 PM, Scott Postlewait wrote: On May 21, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Zack wrote: do you guys grease the threads of the bottom bracket taper thing? LBS guy said never to do that, could be why it was on so tight. wondering what the riv approach is with this one. i haven't messed with the crank until now (it came installed by riv when I got the Sam). I grease (usually wearing a helmet and thinking about what type of chain lube to use) Scott couldn't resist Postlewait Seattle, WA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
