[RBW] Re: Accugauge: fits Presta?

2012-06-15 Thread Earl Grey
They make both versions, but not a combo:

http://www.ghmeiser.com/bicycle.htm

I wonder if you can turn one into the other by replacing the gasket
etc? I have the presta one.

Gernot

On Jun 15, 2:17 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
 I think I've got one of those, or at least it looks very similar, but
 it's Schraeder only. Do they make this type of gauge in Presta, or do
 y'all have to use an adaptor?

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Re: [RBW] Honjos

2012-06-15 Thread René Sterental
Je je je!!! You won't be able to go back... But you'll get better at the
installation of the metal fenders... ;-)

René (who only uses metal fenders)

On Thursday, June 14, 2012, Manuel Acosta wrote:

 I can attest to the installation of honjo fenders. It's similar to
 wrestling a wool sweater on an alligator. While it's sounds impossible it
 really is. The bike looks good. The dents and scratches will add character
 to the fenders.

 On Thursday, June 14, 2012 10:15:06 PM UTC-7, William wrote:

 I have been a very enthusiastic advocate of the quality for the price of
 plastic fenders.  I dismiss the claims that all metal fenders are the only
 suitable option for a quality bicycle.  That said, I had the opportunity to
 get a used set of plastics onto a new bike and found myself in need for
 another set of 650B fenders.  I went ahead and tried my luck at Jitensha
 studio and fate had it that Hiroshi had one and only one set of Honjos on
 hand that would be suitable for my Hilsen, so I went for it.  I've picked
 at it for the last couple of days and finally have the installation
 complete.  I can't say that I did the install perfectly, nor can I say that
 my opinion about the best VALUE in fenders has changed.  But I can say that
 I appreciate all metal fenders and the quality of workmanship that has gone
 into Honjos.  Furthermore, I can say that I think my Hilsen looks pretty
 swank with a set of featherlight hammered Honjos on it, and I hope it will
 look this nicely for years to come.

 Pics prove it was hard work:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/**45758191@N04/sets/**72157630131488386/http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/sets/72157630131488386/

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Re: [RBW] Re: Honjos

2012-06-15 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Thu, 2012-06-14 at 22:49 -0700, Manuel Acosta wrote:
 I can attest to the installation of honjo fenders. It's similar to
 wrestling a wool sweater on an alligator. 

That sounds so violent.  The reality is far different... although I will
admit, the first time it brought recollections of Matthew 19:24 to mind
(And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the
eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of
God.)  



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[RBW] Re: Accugauge: fits Presta?

2012-06-15 Thread islaysteve
Yes, they make both, I have a Presta.  I got it because the gauge on my old 
Performance pump was going bad, and I wanted some accuracy, having been 
educated about lower tire pressure by everyone here.  The gauge works, but 
it's a bit finicky to get seated on the valve, and often all you do is let 
air out, without getting  a good reading.  Also a hassle to check, attach 
chuck, pump, repeat (not the gauge's fault, or course).  I basically gave 
that up and got a new pump with a nice gauge mounted high where I can read 
it.  
 

On Thursday, June 14, 2012 3:17:56 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

 I think I've got one of those, or at least it looks very similar, but 
 it's Schraeder only. Do they make this type of gauge in Presta, or do 
 y'all have to use an adaptor? 

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[RBW] Re: Honjos

2012-06-15 Thread Michael Hechmer
Nice job.  Often times I have found patience and thinking get better 
results than swearing!  I think you will like how much better metal fenders 
stay in alignment than plastic ones. Hopefully you wont have any need to 
become more experienced at installation.  I've had good luck with the 
hammered honjos on my Ram since 2005 but cracked two of them commuting on 
my Ebisu before switching to steel. 

Michael

On Friday, June 15, 2012 1:15:06 AM UTC-4, William wrote:

 I have been a very enthusiastic advocate of the quality for the price of 
 plastic fenders.  I dismiss the claims that all metal fenders are the only 
 suitable option for a quality bicycle.  That said, I had the opportunity to 
 get a used set of plastics onto a new bike and found myself in need for 
 another set of 650B fenders.  I went ahead and tried my luck at Jitensha 
 studio and fate had it that Hiroshi had one and only one set of Honjos on 
 hand that would be suitable for my Hilsen, so I went for it.  I've picked 
 at it for the last couple of days and finally have the installation 
 complete.  I can't say that I did the install perfectly, nor can I say that 
 my opinion about the best VALUE in fenders has changed.  But I can say that 
 I appreciate all metal fenders and the quality of workmanship that has gone 
 into Honjos.  Furthermore, I can say that I think my Hilsen looks pretty 
 swank with a set of featherlight hammered Honjos on it, and I hope it will 
 look this nicely for years to come.  

 Pics prove it was hard work:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/sets/72157630131488386/


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[RBW] Re: Grant's second book signing in the Marina.

2012-06-15 Thread John Bennett
Thanks for the pictures, as always Manny. Marc's video *is* cool. Fun
night.

John

On Jun 14, 10:34 pm, Manuel Acosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com
wrote:
 Pictures proved that riding is fun in the city. When you have a guide(John)
 that knows where Joe DiMaggio's old house was.http://flic.kr/s/aHsjzSDgEH

 Much better photos here (not mine, Marc's):http://flic.kr/s/aHsjzXUKwC

 Cool video Marc made:
 vimeo.com/44072445

 This one is just for kick (note the wrong spelling in Grant's last name. My
 little brother made this on):http://flic.kr/p/bWzfQ4

 -Manny I'm pretty sure the wheel won't collapse on your way home. (It
 didn't) Acosta

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[RBW] Re: Honjos

2012-06-15 Thread Matthew J
Looks good.  I prefer the Berthoud mounting hardware to Honjo.  Easier to 
fix dents in aluminum though.
On Friday, June 15, 2012 12:15:06 AM UTC-5, William wrote: 

 I have been a very enthusiastic advocate of the quality for the price of 
 plastic fenders.  I dismiss the claims that all metal fenders are the only 
 suitable option for a quality bicycle.  That said, I had the opportunity to 
 get a used set of plastics onto a new bike and found myself in need for 
 another set of 650B fenders.  I went ahead and tried my luck at Jitensha 
 studio and fate had it that Hiroshi had one and only one set of Honjos on 
 hand that would be suitable for my Hilsen, so I went for it.  I've picked 
 at it for the last couple of days and finally have the installation 
 complete.  I can't say that I did the install perfectly, nor can I say that 
 my opinion about the best VALUE in fenders has changed.  But I can say that 
 I appreciate all metal fenders and the quality of workmanship that has gone 
 into Honjos.  Furthermore, I can say that I think my Hilsen looks pretty 
 swank with a set of featherlight hammered Honjos on it, and I hope it will 
 look this nicely for years to come.  

 Pics prove it was hard work:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/sets/72157630131488386/


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[RBW] Re: Grant's second book signing in the Marina.

2012-06-15 Thread Mike
Nice photos and videos. Looks like folks were having a good time. As 
always, great photos and thanks for posting. 

--mike

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[RBW] Summer plans?

2012-06-15 Thread Mike
It's a beautiful sunny morning here in PDX. Sadly today is my Monday and 
I'll be working through the weekend. Still, it's one of those days when you 
can feel summer on the way. Looking through Manny's and other list members' 
photos has me thinking about Rivish summer adventures. What are your plans? 
s24o's? Mixed road explorations on new roads? Bike modifications? 

For myself I've got the Cascade 1200k next week which isn't very Rivish but 
after that I plan on doing the majority of the rest of my summer riding on 
platform pedals and in regular clothing. I'm definitely planning on doing 
some s24o's in the Mt Hood NF. I'll probably do Larch Mtn a couple of 
times. While it's a long ride from my house to the summit and back (80 
miles) there's nothing to keep one from just going at a reasonable pace, 
making a day of it and enjoying the ride. 

As for bike mods? I'm all fired up about kickstands. I may put them on all 
my bikes. I put a double legger on the Hilsen yesterday and love it. Most 
likely that kickstand will go on my LHT and I'll get a single legger for 
the Hilsen. Hell, when I was on a 600k brevet last year I saw one of the 
faster rides had one on his bike. I was standing around looking for a place 
to put my bike when he rolled up to the control, put the kickstand up, got 
his card signed and went on his way. There was something so incongruent 
about the kickstand and his bike and yet it all made perfect sense. 

I'll probably give Albatross bars a try on the Hilsen. I'm just really 
intrigued by that set-up.

With my growing appreciation for rambling through summer in regular clothes 
I'm sure wishing RBW was selling their MUSA seersucker shirts. Those sure 
were a great deal. They had some nice features. I did just order a 
seersucker shirt with a fairly nice print through LL Bean. They have them 
on sale so be aware.

Okay, that enough out of me on the glorious caffeine fueled morning.

--mike 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Summer Camp Fundraiser Continues

2012-06-15 Thread Peter Morgano
Ok, Update here Sold Items are

Both Mark's Rack's and Lil Loafer. Rest is still up for sale. Thanks
everyone.

Peter

On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 12:57 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

 I will pay immediately for the incomplete used Marks rack.  Let me know

 Bill


 On Thursday, June 14, 2012 4:39:40 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

 Ok, so selling more stuff to pay for overpriced summer camp, all
 prices are shipped.

 Marks Rack-not complete, missing 2 draw bolts, struts have been cut to
 fit a 650b bike, it does have clamps and both diving boards though $40

 Carradice Zipped Roll-New condition, I mounted it to see if it would
 work on sprung saddle, didnt like the way it hung though it did work.
 $50

 Nigel Smythe old style lil'loafer-Tweed, perfect condition.  $65

 Paul Tall and Handsome Seat Post, brand new, never mounted at all,
 will ship in original box-$100

 Aluminum Albatross Bars, some scratches under grip area, nothing major
 that isnt covered when grips are on.  $60

 Nitto Technomic Standard--some insertion marks, 100mm, $30

 Marks Rack-Brand New. $110  Took it out of the bag and undid struts
 but not mounted, everything is included with this one

 I am open to reasonable offers if any of these prices seem to high
 but I think they are pretty fair. Link to pics of items

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/**67889635@N06/http://www.flickr.com/photos/67889635@N06/

 Please reply off list. Thanks everyone, I appreciate it.

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[RBW] Re: Honjos

2012-06-15 Thread robert peterson
I put Honjos on my Saluki about 5 years ago and so far no problems. I'm no 
great mechanic but I managed to get them on by going V E R Y  S L O W. The 
dreaded stick jamming the wheel has not happened yet. Aside from the 
handsome look the best thing is a nice solid and logical place to put a 
proper tail light and reflector. Mine came with a sliding rear bracket and 
it rattled until I squirted some clear silicon caulk between the fender and 
bracket.  William, your bicycle looks great.

On Friday, June 15, 2012 12:15:06 AM UTC-5, William wrote:

 I have been a very enthusiastic advocate of the quality for the price of 
 plastic fenders.  I dismiss the claims that all metal fenders are the only 
 suitable option for a quality bicycle.  That said, I had the opportunity to 
 get a used set of plastics onto a new bike and found myself in need for 
 another set of 650B fenders.  I went ahead and tried my luck at Jitensha 
 studio and fate had it that Hiroshi had one and only one set of Honjos on 
 hand that would be suitable for my Hilsen, so I went for it.  I've picked 
 at it for the last couple of days and finally have the installation 
 complete.  I can't say that I did the install perfectly, nor can I say that 
 my opinion about the best VALUE in fenders has changed.  But I can say that 
 I appreciate all metal fenders and the quality of workmanship that has gone 
 into Honjos.  Furthermore, I can say that I think my Hilsen looks pretty 
 swank with a set of featherlight hammered Honjos on it, and I hope it will 
 look this nicely for years to come.  

 Pics prove it was hard work:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/sets/72157630131488386/


On Friday, June 15, 2012 12:15:06 AM UTC-5, William wrote:

 I have been a very enthusiastic advocate of the quality for the price of 
 plastic fenders.  I dismiss the claims that all metal fenders are the only 
 suitable option for a quality bicycle.  That said, I had the opportunity to 
 get a used set of plastics onto a new bike and found myself in need for 
 another set of 650B fenders.  I went ahead and tried my luck at Jitensha 
 studio and fate had it that Hiroshi had one and only one set of Honjos on 
 hand that would be suitable for my Hilsen, so I went for it.  I've picked 
 at it for the last couple of days and finally have the installation 
 complete.  I can't say that I did the install perfectly, nor can I say that 
 my opinion about the best VALUE in fenders has changed.  But I can say that 
 I appreciate all metal fenders and the quality of workmanship that has gone 
 into Honjos.  Furthermore, I can say that I think my Hilsen looks pretty 
 swank with a set of featherlight hammered Honjos on it, and I hope it will 
 look this nicely for years to come.  

 Pics prove it was hard work:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/sets/72157630131488386/


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[RBW] Re: Pressure Gauges: Facts? Opinions?

2012-06-15 Thread Anthony King
Meiser makes a good dial with pressure release specifically for pressures 
under 30psi. It is claimed to be tested for accuracy to within .25% of the 
scale I use a high and low pressure Meiser gauges in the shop to keep pump 
dial gauges honest. Part number for low pressure gauge is PU3009. They are 
not expensive and available through any shop with a QBP account.

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[RBW] Re: WTB Albatross Bars

2012-06-15 Thread allenmichael
I might have an extra set.  I put an albatross on my big dummy but have 
been thinking about trying something different. I think they are a 55 
chromo but would have to measure.

On Thursday, June 14, 2012 11:00:04 AM UTC-7, The Cripler wrote:

 Hello! I am looking to purchase another set of Albatross bars for my 
 lastest build. Looks like they are out of stock at the Riv website. Chromo 
 is fine and they don't have to be perfect specimens. Thanks!
  
 Chris


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[RBW] Tire Gods: 1, Me: 0

2012-06-15 Thread Mark Chandler

Right after posting the following review of SOMA's B-Line tires, I pulled a 
michelin wire out of my Rawland's rear tire (one of the aforementioned SOMAs).
http://www.gravelbike.com/?p=1052

I like my tires soft, but not that soft. :) 
  

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[RBW] Re: New 650B conversion of a 1984 Miyata 912, and a foray into tubeless

2012-06-15 Thread Patrick in VT
On Friday, June 15, 2012 12:28:10 AM UTC-4, William wrote:

 I did the tubeless part of the conversion tonight.  


Cool!  What kind of sealant and how much did you end up using?  

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[RBW] Re: Honjos

2012-06-15 Thread William
I took the slow and patient route and would advise the same to others.  
It's one of those things that I can imagine one could do with far less 
wasted motion with repetition.  I envision experts like JPWeigle doing an 
install in the middle of a conversation about the 1975 RedSox, while the 
awestruck observer just stares in appreciation this is worth the price of 
admission

On Friday, June 15, 2012 7:38:48 AM UTC-7, robert peterson wrote:

 I put Honjos on my Saluki about 5 years ago and so far no problems. I'm no 
 great mechanic but I managed to get them on by going V E R Y  S L O W. The 
 dreaded stick jamming the wheel has not happened yet. Aside from the 
 handsome look the best thing is a nice solid and logical place to put a 
 proper tail light and reflector. Mine came with a sliding rear bracket and 
 it rattled until I squirted some clear silicon caulk between the fender and 
 bracket.  William, your bicycle looks great.

 On Friday, June 15, 2012 12:15:06 AM UTC-5, William wrote:

 I have been a very enthusiastic advocate of the quality for the price of 
 plastic fenders.  I dismiss the claims that all metal fenders are the only 
 suitable option for a quality bicycle.  That said, I had the opportunity to 
 get a used set of plastics onto a new bike and found myself in need for 
 another set of 650B fenders.  I went ahead and tried my luck at Jitensha 
 studio and fate had it that Hiroshi had one and only one set of Honjos on 
 hand that would be suitable for my Hilsen, so I went for it.  I've picked 
 at it for the last couple of days and finally have the installation 
 complete.  I can't say that I did the install perfectly, nor can I say that 
 my opinion about the best VALUE in fenders has changed.  But I can say that 
 I appreciate all metal fenders and the quality of workmanship that has gone 
 into Honjos.  Furthermore, I can say that I think my Hilsen looks pretty 
 swank with a set of featherlight hammered Honjos on it, and I hope it will 
 look this nicely for years to come.  

 Pics prove it was hard work:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/sets/72157630131488386/


 On Friday, June 15, 2012 12:15:06 AM UTC-5, William wrote:

 I have been a very enthusiastic advocate of the quality for the price of 
 plastic fenders.  I dismiss the claims that all metal fenders are the only 
 suitable option for a quality bicycle.  That said, I had the opportunity to 
 get a used set of plastics onto a new bike and found myself in need for 
 another set of 650B fenders.  I went ahead and tried my luck at Jitensha 
 studio and fate had it that Hiroshi had one and only one set of Honjos on 
 hand that would be suitable for my Hilsen, so I went for it.  I've picked 
 at it for the last couple of days and finally have the installation 
 complete.  I can't say that I did the install perfectly, nor can I say that 
 my opinion about the best VALUE in fenders has changed.  But I can say that 
 I appreciate all metal fenders and the quality of workmanship that has gone 
 into Honjos.  Furthermore, I can say that I think my Hilsen looks pretty 
 swank with a set of featherlight hammered Honjos on it, and I hope it will 
 look this nicely for years to come.  

 Pics prove it was hard work:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/sets/72157630131488386/



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[RBW] Rivish Ramble on Monday - PDX

2012-06-15 Thread Andy Smitty Schmidt
In response to the comments in another thread from folks who won't be able 
to make it to the Grant P Style Ride on Sunday, Mike (aka Leaf Slayer) and 
I got in touch off list and are planning our own Rivish Ride for Monday. 
Our general plan is to meet up in North Portland and head out to Dixie Mtn 
via St Johns, Hwy 30 and some gravel. We'll likely be out much of the day 
and there will be plenty of climbing, but we'll be taking it relatively 
easy since Mike has a 1200k coming up and we don't want to break him.  

If anyone's interested and available, either reply to this thread or send 
Mike or I a message off list.

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[RBW] Re: New 650B conversion of a 1984 Miyata 912, and a foray into tubeless

2012-06-15 Thread William
I used Stans.  One full scoop seems to have done it.  Holding air nicely 
the next day

On Friday, June 15, 2012 8:55:45 AM UTC-7, Patrick in VT wrote:

 On Friday, June 15, 2012 12:28:10 AM UTC-4, William wrote:

 I did the tubeless part of the conversion tonight.  


 Cool!  What kind of sealant and how much did you end up using?  


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[RBW] Re: New 650B conversion of a 1984 Miyata 912, and a foray into tubeless

2012-06-15 Thread Patrick in VT
On Friday, June 15, 2012 12:13:00 PM UTC-4, William wrote:

 I used Stans.  One full scoop seems to have done it.  Holding air nicely 
 the next day


Great - sounds like a no hassle tire/rim combination.  did they go up with 
a floor pump or did you have to use compressed air?  Please post your 
thoughts once you get some time on it.

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[RBW] Re: Summer plans?

2012-06-15 Thread Kelly
mike,

We here in Missouri had a early start to summer.  At this point we've 
already done the Tour de Hills, Three State Three Mountain Challenge, 
Horsey Hundred, Tour de Cure and a loaded bike tour between Kansas City and 
St Louis.  All that and I'm still the infamous pot bellied cyclist. 
 (thanks for the moniker grant)  However only being 15 days into June and 
looking forward there is still a lot to come.  June is mostly local rides 
and fun stuff, followed by the Denali Tour with Adventure Cycling in July, 
then the MS150 in September, CO/Allegheny self contained first week of 
October, Hilly hundred third week of October I think and finishing up with 
the Tour de Cape.   

Equipment wise my wife and I are expecting,  (pause for effect) the 
delivery of the custom lugged Bilenky Tandem in the next month or two.  The 
build has started and all looks good.   I have a 68cm Schwinn Traveler on 
the work stand just back from paint ready for assembly if I had more time 
to work on instead of ride bikes. Not to mention every time I go to work on 
it I have to make a trip to the hardware store or am missing a nut or bolt. 
Seems everything is clamp on.. cable stops, water bottles, everything. 
 Example the screws I need for the down tube mounts for the cable stops for 
some reason are american thread instead of metric and stopped me last 
night.. now off to hardware store again.  Front derailur may be a problem 
too, though I'm attempting to ignore that for now.  The Bombadil is in the 
stand on the other side being prepared to be boxed and checked out for 
Denali.   I've been thinking about a fancier looking crank for my AHH but 
the 500 plus bucks keeps me from pulling the trigger.  Other than that I 
may trim the heard and sell my mountain bike, and one of my fixed geared 
bikes that I just don't ride anymore.  

Summer in full force.. gotta love it.

Kelly




On Friday, June 15, 2012 8:44:01 AM UTC-5, Mike wrote:

 It's a beautiful sunny morning here in PDX. Sadly today is my Monday and 
 I'll be working through the weekend. Still, it's one of those days when you 
 can feel summer on the way. Looking through Manny's and other list members' 
 photos has me thinking about Rivish summer adventures. What are your plans? 
 s24o's? Mixed road explorations on new roads? Bike modifications? 

 For myself I've got the Cascade 1200k next week which isn't very Rivish 
 but after that I plan on doing the majority of the rest of my summer riding 
 on platform pedals and in regular clothing. I'm definitely planning on 
 doing some s24o's in the Mt Hood NF. I'll probably do Larch Mtn a couple of 
 times. While it's a long ride from my house to the summit and back (80 
 miles) there's nothing to keep one from just going at a reasonable pace, 
 making a day of it and enjoying the ride. 

 As for bike mods? I'm all fired up about kickstands. I may put them on all 
 my bikes. I put a double legger on the Hilsen yesterday and love it. Most 
 likely that kickstand will go on my LHT and I'll get a single legger for 
 the Hilsen. Hell, when I was on a 600k brevet last year I saw one of the 
 faster rides had one on his bike. I was standing around looking for a place 
 to put my bike when he rolled up to the control, put the kickstand up, got 
 his card signed and went on his way. There was something so incongruent 
 about the kickstand and his bike and yet it all made perfect sense. 

 I'll probably give Albatross bars a try on the Hilsen. I'm just really 
 intrigued by that set-up.

 With my growing appreciation for rambling through summer in regular 
 clothes I'm sure wishing RBW was selling their MUSA seersucker shirts. 
 Those sure were a great deal. They had some nice features. I did just order 
 a seersucker shirt with a fairly nice print through LL Bean. They have them 
 on sale so be aware.

 Okay, that enough out of me on the glorious caffeine fueled morning.

 --mike 


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[RBW] Re: New 650B conversion of a 1984 Miyata 912, and a foray into tubeless

2012-06-15 Thread William
OK Patrick, you asked for it.  Long story but here goes.  

Here's how the process to tubeless went.  I was doing a 650B conversion 
anyway.  My frame was/is 126mm in the back and I had hubs, so I just needed 
rims.  I wanted to try something other than Synergies to see if I could get 
better tire seating than I have with the four pairs of Synergies in the 
stable.  Right at that time, Jan Heine posted a blog post about ideal rim 
shape for proper bead seating, in which he said even the Grand Bois rims 
they sell aren't ideal.  That, along with the $90 pricetag ruled out the 
Grand Bois.  A friend had a set of VO rims built up.  I noticed the rim 
make as I was looking over the bike, and gave the wheels a spin.  The 
Lierres weren't running very round and the wheels themselves were not 
running round.  I must have made a face because my friend said My 
wheelbuilder said these rims were a bear to work with.  I don't know his 
wheelbuilder, and I can't say whether he's good or a total newbie, but this 
knocked the VO rims from my list.  What I *really* got excited about was/is 
the new Pacenti road rim.  It's super light, looks classic, and JPWeigle 
runs it with his Hetres and reported they seat perfectly.  The ~$100 per 
rim pricetag and the fact you can't get them yet made it tough, but aside 
from that, they sounded perfect.  There seemed to be another bump in 
excitement from the community in that JPW ran shaved Hetres tubeless.  
That, along with some other recommendations from others got me thinking 
about trying tubeless.  Part of the allure is that rims made for tubeless 
are made for perfect bead seating.  Even if you run tubes, there's very 
little bad about perfect bead seating.  At that time I got turned on to the 
A23 project Anthony at Longleaf had executed.  He put out his own $$ to 
have a set of A23 rims made in 650B, and he was running them tubeless with 
Hetres.  They also had the promise of being a fair bit lighter than 
Synergies, and they actually exist.  I went ahead and ordered a set.  I 
can't stand the thought of a rim box being sent across country (New 
Hampshire to California) with nothing but rims in the box, so I told 
Anthony to sell me the spokes and everything I needed to try tubeless.  

I built up the wheels onto my NOS Specialized sealed bearing hubs.  The 
built went extraordinarily well.  The rims really wanted to be round, and I 
found it easy to tension them up, even though the rim is not eyeleted.  
Often I've had problems with non-eyeleted rims.  Maybe I just did a good 
job lubing the spoke nipples, and maybe they are drilled just right, but it 
went great.  I installed the super thin super slick Stans tape and 
installed my Soma B-Lines with tubes to get the tape seated solid on the 
rims.  The bike remained that way for about a week.

Yesterday, after finishing a fender install, I had a little time so I 
decided to give the conversion a try.  I've watched the Stans video a 
couple times so I was reasonably comfortable with the process.  First I 
took off one bead, and got the tube out.  Then I screwed in the valve stem 
and put the bead back on.  I furiously pumped and pumped with my floor 
pump, to see if the tire would seal against the rim.  This is a reasonably 
important step, I've gathered.  What you're doing is trying to blow the 
bead on to the bead seat.  More airflow, like with a high volume compressor 
makes this go quickly.  A floor pump is far iffier.  I kind of nudged the 
bead over against the rim channel and managed to get it to pressurize.  
Once it does...um...it does.  The bead SNAPS loudly into place when you get 
to 25 or 30 psi.  I could hear a few pinholes in the sidewalls but I was 
satisfied it was possible without having to go to the shop.  I decided to 
proceed.

I let the air out and pulled the one bead back off.  I hung the wheel on a 
hook that I set up for the purpose valve stem on top.  Then I shook up the 
sealant and poured a scoopful.  Pour that into a little puddle at the 
bottom of the tire.  Then I put the bead on, starting at the valve stem on 
top.  When I got about 60% of the way around, I can still see the puddle of 
sealant.  I lifted the wheel off the hook and rotated it 180 degrees, so 
now the puddle is inside the tire.  Pull the rest of the bead on, which is 
snug but pretty easy with no tube to worry about (no levers).  Then I hung 
up the wheel again and pumped hard and fast on the floor pump.  It took a 
little bit but eventually it pressurized.  I can imagine this being a big 
hassle if you can't get it to pressurize with your floor pump, you are kind 
of in for a mess.  How are you going to get it to a compressor without 
spilling or drying up the sealant?  If you take it back apart where are you 
going to pour out the sealant.  Everything is just better if it works.  
Happily, it worked for me.  I inflated it up to about 25psi and started 
sloshing the sealant around all the surface area of the interior of the 

Re: [RBW] Summer plans?

2012-06-15 Thread cyclotourist
Great to hear you're planning on the Cascade! I think you were on the fence
about it for a while.

Kickstands are GREAT! I don't like the way the tear up the stays though.
Need to get a bike with a plate installed!

On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 6:44 AM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:

 It's a beautiful sunny morning here in PDX. Sadly today is my Monday and
 I'll be working through the weekend. Still, it's one of those days when you
 can feel summer on the way. Looking through Manny's and other list members'
 photos has me thinking about Rivish summer adventures. What are your plans?
 s24o's? Mixed road explorations on new roads? Bike modifications?

 For myself I've got the Cascade 1200k next week which isn't very Rivish
 but after that I plan on doing the majority of the rest of my summer riding
 on platform pedals and in regular clothing. I'm definitely planning on
 doing some s24o's in the Mt Hood NF. I'll probably do Larch Mtn a couple of
 times. While it's a long ride from my house to the summit and back (80
 miles) there's nothing to keep one from just going at a reasonable pace,
 making a day of it and enjoying the ride.

 As for bike mods? I'm all fired up about kickstands. I may put them on all
 my bikes. I put a double legger on the Hilsen yesterday and love it. Most
 likely that kickstand will go on my LHT and I'll get a single legger for
 the Hilsen. Hell, when I was on a 600k brevet last year I saw one of the
 faster rides had one on his bike. I was standing around looking for a place
 to put my bike when he rolled up to the control, put the kickstand up, got
 his card signed and went on his way. There was something so incongruent
 about the kickstand and his bike and yet it all made perfect sense.

 I'll probably give Albatross bars a try on the Hilsen. I'm just really
 intrigued by that set-up.

 With my growing appreciation for rambling through summer in regular
 clothes I'm sure wishing RBW was selling their MUSA seersucker shirts.
 Those sure were a great deal. They had some nice features. I did just order
 a seersucker shirt with a fairly nice print through LL Bean. They have them
 on sale so be aware.

 Okay, that enough out of me on the glorious caffeine fueled morning.

 --mike

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Re: [RBW] Re: New 650B conversion of a 1984 Miyata 912, and a foray into tubeless

2012-06-15 Thread cyclotourist
GREAT to hear it went on so easily. I can't get tubeless w/out a
compressor, so applaud your success with a floor pump!
Try the syringe that Stan sells, it's lets you put in the sealant after
you've seated the bead. Not the end all/be all, but keeps things cleaner
IMHO.

On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 10:21 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

 OK Patrick, you asked for it.  Long story but here goes.

 Here's how the process to tubeless went.  I was doing a 650B conversion
 anyway.  My frame was/is 126mm in the back and I had hubs, so I just needed
 rims.  I wanted to try something other than Synergies to see if I could get
 better tire seating than I have with the four pairs of Synergies in the
 stable.  Right at that time, Jan Heine posted a blog post about ideal rim
 shape for proper bead seating, in which he said even the Grand Bois rims
 they sell aren't ideal.  That, along with the $90 pricetag ruled out the
 Grand Bois.  A friend had a set of VO rims built up.  I noticed the rim
 make as I was looking over the bike, and gave the wheels a spin.  The
 Lierres weren't running very round and the wheels themselves were not
 running round.  I must have made a face because my friend said My
 wheelbuilder said these rims were a bear to work with.  I don't know his
 wheelbuilder, and I can't say whether he's good or a total newbie, but this
 knocked the VO rims from my list.  What I *really* got excited about
 was/is the new Pacenti road rim.  It's super light, looks classic, and
 JPWeigle runs it with his Hetres and reported they seat perfectly.  The
 ~$100 per rim pricetag and the fact you can't get them yet made it tough,
 but aside from that, they sounded perfect.  There seemed to be another bump
 in excitement from the community in that JPW ran shaved Hetres tubeless.
 That, along with some other recommendations from others got me thinking
 about trying tubeless.  Part of the allure is that rims made for tubeless
 are made for perfect bead seating.  Even if you run tubes, there's very
 little bad about perfect bead seating.  At that time I got turned on to the
 A23 project Anthony at Longleaf had executed.  He put out his own $$ to
 have a set of A23 rims made in 650B, and he was running them tubeless with
 Hetres.  They also had the promise of being a fair bit lighter than
 Synergies, and they actually exist.  I went ahead and ordered a set.  I
 can't stand the thought of a rim box being sent across country (New
 Hampshire to California) with nothing but rims in the box, so I told
 Anthony to sell me the spokes and everything I needed to try tubeless.

 I built up the wheels onto my NOS Specialized sealed bearing hubs.  The
 built went extraordinarily well.  The rims really wanted to be round, and I
 found it easy to tension them up, even though the rim is not eyeleted.
 Often I've had problems with non-eyeleted rims.  Maybe I just did a good
 job lubing the spoke nipples, and maybe they are drilled just right, but it
 went great.  I installed the super thin super slick Stans tape and
 installed my Soma B-Lines with tubes to get the tape seated solid on the
 rims.  The bike remained that way for about a week.

 Yesterday, after finishing a fender install, I had a little time so I
 decided to give the conversion a try.  I've watched the Stans video a
 couple times so I was reasonably comfortable with the process.  First I
 took off one bead, and got the tube out.  Then I screwed in the valve stem
 and put the bead back on.  I furiously pumped and pumped with my floor
 pump, to see if the tire would seal against the rim.  This is a reasonably
 important step, I've gathered.  What you're doing is trying to blow the
 bead on to the bead seat.  More airflow, like with a high volume compressor
 makes this go quickly.  A floor pump is far iffier.  I kind of nudged the
 bead over against the rim channel and managed to get it to pressurize.
 Once it does...um...it does.  The bead SNAPS loudly into place when you get
 to 25 or 30 psi.  I could hear a few pinholes in the sidewalls but I was
 satisfied it was possible without having to go to the shop.  I decided to
 proceed.

 I let the air out and pulled the one bead back off.  I hung the wheel on a
 hook that I set up for the purpose valve stem on top.  Then I shook up the
 sealant and poured a scoopful.  Pour that into a little puddle at the
 bottom of the tire.  Then I put the bead on, starting at the valve stem on
 top.  When I got about 60% of the way around, I can still see the puddle of
 sealant.  I lifted the wheel off the hook and rotated it 180 degrees, so
 now the puddle is inside the tire.  Pull the rest of the bead on, which is
 snug but pretty easy with no tube to worry about (no levers).  Then I hung
 up the wheel again and pumped hard and fast on the floor pump.  It took a
 little bit but eventually it pressurized.  I can imagine this being a big
 hassle if you can't get it to pressurize with your floor pump, you are kind
 of in for a mess.  How are 

[RBW] Re: Summer plans?

2012-06-15 Thread William
That's a great list, especially the Cascade 12hundy.  For me June and July 
end up being really hard months for riding, for some weird reason.  Maybe 
it's the kids being out of school, and the associated family activities.  
It's hard to get a day away to keep my R17 going beyond 17 (months in a row 
doing at least a 200k brevet), but I'm motivated to keep that going.  We 
had a family conference and semi-amicably agreed that I'll avoid all 
overnight brevets for the foreseeable future.  Bike exploration-wise, I'm 
working towards a ~40 mile route from El Cerrito to my office in South 
Hayward that'll be about 70% dirt.  I've got my Rawland shod with Quasi 
Motos and I'll be using that to work out that commute.  I might do some 
stealth camping down in Wildcat Canyon, and will probably do a mini S24O 
into Chabot and Briones.

Bike-wise, the stable is very close to dialed.  I'm anticipating the 
Pacenti road rims coming out and have been thinking about whether those 
should go into a light wheelset for the Hilsen, or, fantasy land thinking, 
I'm toying with the idea of buying a semi-custom Ebisu before Hiroshi at 
Jiitensha studio retires.  I also need a front rack for my Miyata, and 
there's always the thought of a 58 Atlantis on the horizon.  

On Friday, June 15, 2012 6:44:01 AM UTC-7, Mike wrote:

 It's a beautiful sunny morning here in PDX. Sadly today is my Monday and 
 I'll be working through the weekend. Still, it's one of those days when you 
 can feel summer on the way. Looking through Manny's and other list members' 
 photos has me thinking about Rivish summer adventures. What are your plans? 
 s24o's? Mixed road explorations on new roads? Bike modifications? 

 For myself I've got the Cascade 1200k next week which isn't very Rivish 
 but after that I plan on doing the majority of the rest of my summer riding 
 on platform pedals and in regular clothing. I'm definitely planning on 
 doing some s24o's in the Mt Hood NF. I'll probably do Larch Mtn a couple of 
 times. While it's a long ride from my house to the summit and back (80 
 miles) there's nothing to keep one from just going at a reasonable pace, 
 making a day of it and enjoying the ride. 

 As for bike mods? I'm all fired up about kickstands. I may put them on all 
 my bikes. I put a double legger on the Hilsen yesterday and love it. Most 
 likely that kickstand will go on my LHT and I'll get a single legger for 
 the Hilsen. Hell, when I was on a 600k brevet last year I saw one of the 
 faster rides had one on his bike. I was standing around looking for a place 
 to put my bike when he rolled up to the control, put the kickstand up, got 
 his card signed and went on his way. There was something so incongruent 
 about the kickstand and his bike and yet it all made perfect sense. 

 I'll probably give Albatross bars a try on the Hilsen. I'm just really 
 intrigued by that set-up.

 With my growing appreciation for rambling through summer in regular 
 clothes I'm sure wishing RBW was selling their MUSA seersucker shirts. 
 Those sure were a great deal. They had some nice features. I did just order 
 a seersucker shirt with a fairly nice print through LL Bean. They have them 
 on sale so be aware.

 Okay, that enough out of me on the glorious caffeine fueled morning.

 --mike 


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Re: [RBW] Re: Honjos

2012-06-15 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Hiroshi has, or used to have, very detailed instructions on mounting
Honjos on his website. I followed those and, despite my natural
Klutziness, managed to do an acceptable job in an hour or so with
little cussing. Also, Jan Heine had even more detailed instructions in
a back issue of BQ from last year.

On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Joe Bunik jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
 I think your first time with metal fenders, it's the swearing and
 frustration. Second time round, it's all patience and a smooth drink.
 =- Joe Bunik
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Re: [RBW] Re: Honjos

2012-06-15 Thread Peter Morgano
Having done this job 4 times I can say that repetition does make it easier,
with less cursing.  Although getting the just right fenderline does take
more finessing than just offering up the fenders and hoping for the best.
Realizing the how much tension in the stays will distort the fender for the
better or worse is the art of it all for me, you want some tension so they
hold a good shape I find but you obviously dont want them under a ton of
tension all the time so it is a balancing act.

On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 2:31 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hiroshi has, or used to have, very detailed instructions on mounting
 Honjos on his website. I followed those and, despite my natural
 Klutziness, managed to do an acceptable job in an hour or so with
 little cussing. Also, Jan Heine had even more detailed instructions in
 a back issue of BQ from last year.

 On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Joe Bunik jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
  I think your first time with metal fenders, it's the swearing and
  frustration. Second time round, it's all patience and a smooth drink.
  =- Joe Bunik
  Walnut Creek, CA
 


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Re: [RBW] Re: New 650B conversion of a 1984 Miyata 912, and a foray into tubeless

2012-06-15 Thread Patrick in VT
On Friday, June 15, 2012 1:49:48 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 GREAT to hear it went on so easily. I can't get tubeless w/out a 
 compressor, so applaud your success with a floor pump!
 Try the syringe that Stan sells, it's lets you put in the sealant after 
 you've seated the bead. Not the end all/be all, but keeps things cleaner 
 IMHO.


Yes!  Agreed.  Great summary, William and great results - sounds like it 
couldn't have gone any smoother than that!  I've been lucky so far too - 
all my tubeless wheels (4) went up with a floor pump and soapy water - I 
then inject sealant through a removable valve core and work it around.  

Anyway, looks like I'll be building up some A23s at some point.  Thanks 
again for the write-up - that's one sweet 650b conversion.  

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[RBW] Portland WNBR tonight

2012-06-15 Thread Allan in Portland
Dress codes got you down? Tired of the Petersen-Style-Ride ride-police 
interrogations over whether you have lycra knickers on under your knickers? 
Sick of all the sideways looks from weekend roadies for cycling in sandals?

Well, take heart, the one ride a year with absolutely zero, none, nada, 
dress code is tonight:
http://bikeportland.org/2012/06/15/you-need-the-naked-ride-and-the-naked-ride-needs-you-73363

(Riv content: sorry, not much... I'll be there on my tandem)

Regards,
-Allan

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[RBW] S24O Spots Near Seattle?

2012-06-15 Thread Frank
Anyone with personal experience or good ideas for an overnight spot? I 
don't mind a ferry (Edmonds or Seattle departure), or even a multi-modal 
approach, but I can't come up with anything compelling. 

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[RBW] A new low

2012-06-15 Thread PATRICK MOORE
21 miles in the dirt today (haven't made it up to the Rio Rancho
sandhills) just east of the River and along the back side of Corrales,
which is a very interesting village combining old rural/farming, rural
slum, McMansion, ranchette and just plain weird. Four pavement miles,
17 dirt miles, much of it sandy.

https://picasaweb.google.com/BERTIN753/CORRALESBOSQUEJUSTEASTOFCORRALESROAD061512#

I didn't re-inflate after my cussing attempt to measure t pressure
with my Topeak electric Chinese POS, but just rode -- 11 psi front,
14.5 rear. This was fine and worked very well in the sand while only
causing minor sidewall flop in corners on pavement. A couple of the
photos below show my 29er tire footprint compared to the typical,
hard, narrow 2 inchers.

I wish someone made a Flite with springs. The Flite on the Fargo is
very, very comfortable but when you ride over choppy, horse-churned
dirt the constant, jerking up-and-down is much worse (with my tires)
than washboard.

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[RBW] Re: Summer plans?

2012-06-15 Thread Mike
On Jun 15, 10:35 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
 Great to hear you're planning on the Cascade! I think you were on the fence
 about it for a while.

 Kickstands are GREAT! I don't like the way the tear up the stays though.
 Need to get a bike with a plate installed!


Fortunately I have one of the Hilsen's with the kickstand plate. I
remember when Grant announced that they'd have them that some people
got bummed. I was indifferent at the time and figured I'd never use
it. I so wish my LHT had one.

As for the Cascade... yeah, I was waffling back and forth. I kinda
think the first day will be rough because I don't want to go too hard
but I want to make sure I get in early enough to get some sleep before
day 2 which I guess the most physically demanding.

It won't happen this summer but I'm hoping that maybe in the fall or
winter I can pick-up a used SH frame.

--mike

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[RBW] Re: Rivish Ramble on Monday - PDX

2012-06-15 Thread Mike
This should be fun, but yeah, there's a fair amount of climbing to get
to the good stuff. And on the good stuff. Most of the gravel is
climbing. Should we do Dixie Mtn from Scappoose there will be a bit of
a slog out Hwy 30 which isn't so bad once you get past Cornelius Pass
Rd.

Here's some photos from two rides taking in different aspects of Dixie
Mtn.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/sets/72157608457479476/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/sets/72157607645627176/

--mike

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[RBW] Appropriate technology

2012-06-15 Thread Horace
Sometimes it is questionable whether carbon fiber is appropriate for a
given use.

http://www.carbonfibergear.com/carbon-fiber-toilet-bowl/

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[RBW] Koolaid drunk.

2012-06-15 Thread PATRICK MOORE
FRIDAY, JUNE 15, 2012

BSNYC Friday Fun Quiz!
Yesterday, I dressed head to bunions in special bikey clothes, and
then I rode around in circles for about an hour.

I mention this only to underscore a fundamental truth, which is this:
Once a Fred, Always a Fred.  Sure, I could have just jumped on a bike
while wearing regular clothing, but instead I opted to don a special
proprietary wardrobe just to enjoy an hour of leisurely forward
motion.  For some reason, once you take it into your head that proper
leisure cycling has to involve stretchy shorts and clicky shoes, it's
nearly impossible to free yourself from this notion.  In fact, the
only person in history who's successfully done so is Grant Petersen,
and he even wrote an excellent book that will tell you how to do it
too, though in undertaking his de-Fredification treatment you do run
the risk of becoming something even stranger.  It's sort of like
kicking drugs only to become a born-again Christian.

Patrick Moore, who half-way Fredded up today in jersey and SPD shoes
but forwent the gloves, helmet, pants and glasses.

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[RBW] Re: A new low

2012-06-15 Thread Michael Hechmer
Patrick, the link seems to be broken; google can't find it.
Michael

On Friday, June 15, 2012 4:09:50 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

 21 miles in the dirt today (haven't made it up to the Rio Rancho 
 sandhills) just east of the River and along the back side of Corrales, 
 which is a very interesting village combining old rural/farming, rural 
 slum, McMansion, ranchette and just plain weird. Four pavement miles, 
 17 dirt miles, much of it sandy. 


 https://picasaweb.google.com/BERTIN753/CORRALESBOSQUEJUSTEASTOFCORRALESROAD061512#
  

 I didn't re-inflate after my cussing attempt to measure t pressure 
 with my Topeak electric Chinese POS, but just rode -- 11 psi front, 
 14.5 rear. This was fine and worked very well in the sand while only 
 causing minor sidewall flop in corners on pavement. A couple of the 
 photos below show my 29er tire footprint compared to the typical, 
 hard, narrow 2 inchers. 

 I wish someone made a Flite with springs. The Flite on the Fargo is 
 very, very comfortable but when you ride over choppy, horse-churned 
 dirt the constant, jerking up-and-down is much worse (with my tires) 
 than washboard. 

 -- 
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 Flannery O'Connor 

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Re: [RBW] Koolaid drunk.

2012-06-15 Thread ANDREW LETTON
Patrick-  Forwent the pants, eh?  Just in time for tomorrow's Naked Ride... ;-)

http://pdxpipeline.com/2012/06/11/portland-naked-bike-ride-pictures-info/
cheers,
Andrew





From: PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Fri, June 15, 2012 1:49:55 PM
Subject: [RBW] Koolaid drunk.

FRIDAY, JUNE 15, 2012

BSNYC Friday Fun Quiz!
Yesterday, I dressed head to bunions in special bikey clothes, and
then I rode around in circles for about an hour.

I mention this only to underscore a fundamental truth, which is this:
Once a Fred, Always a Fred.  Sure, I could have just jumped on a bike
while wearing regular clothing, but instead I opted to don a special
proprietary wardrobe just to enjoy an hour of leisurely forward
motion.  For some reason, once you take it into your head that proper
leisure cycling has to involve stretchy shorts and clicky shoes, it's
nearly impossible to free yourself from this notion.  In fact, the
only person in history who's successfully done so is Grant Petersen,
and he even wrote an excellent book that will tell you how to do it
too, though in undertaking his de-Fredification treatment you do run
the risk of becoming something even stranger.  It's sort of like
kicking drugs only to become a born-again Christian.

Patrick Moore, who half-way Fredded up today in jersey and SPD shoes
but forwent the gloves, helmet, pants and glasses.

-- 
Push back against the age as hard as it pushes against you.

Flannery O'Connor

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Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA
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http://resumespecialties.com/index.html
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[RBW] Re: Koolaid drunk.

2012-06-15 Thread Michael Hechmer
I too have been cycling down (senile) memory lane.  This week I re-glued 
the tubulars on my old ('88 custom Marinoni, lugged columbus steel) racing 
bike and headed out.  Unfortunately It has been a long time since I've 
ridden the Speedplay pedals and wasn't too adept at unclipping.  As luck 
would have it I threw the chain on a steep hill.  At the critical moment my 
brain switched from solving the foot problem to how to fall safely, if not 
exactly gracefully.  Still it was a fun ride on good pavement.  No dang 
computer but I swear I was going fast.

Michael



On Friday, June 15, 2012 4:49:51 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

 FRIDAY, JUNE 15, 2012 

 BSNYC Friday Fun Quiz! 
 Yesterday, I dressed head to bunions in special bikey clothes, and 
 then I rode around in circles for about an hour. 

 I mention this only to underscore a fundamental truth, which is this: 
 Once a Fred, Always a Fred.  Sure, I could have just jumped on a bike 
 while wearing regular clothing, but instead I opted to don a special 
 proprietary wardrobe just to enjoy an hour of leisurely forward 
 motion.  For some reason, once you take it into your head that proper 
 leisure cycling has to involve stretchy shorts and clicky shoes, it's 
 nearly impossible to free yourself from this notion.  In fact, the 
 only person in history who's successfully done so is Grant Petersen, 
 and he even wrote an excellent book that will tell you how to do it 
 too, though in undertaking his de-Fredification treatment you do run 
 the risk of becoming something even stranger.  It's sort of like 
 kicking drugs only to become a born-again Christian. 

 Patrick Moore, who half-way Fredded up today in jersey and SPD shoes 
 but forwent the gloves, helmet, pants and glasses. 

 -- 
 Push back against the age as hard as it pushes against you. 

 Flannery O'Connor 

 - 
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 http://resumespecialties.com/index.html 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Accugauge: fits Presta?

2012-06-15 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Excellent; and they make them with a right-angled chuck. Just ordered
one from Amazon.

On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 5:19 AM, islaysteve alkire...@verizon.net wrote:
 Yes, they make both, I have a Presta.  I got it because the gauge on my old
 Performance pump was going bad, and I wanted some accuracy, having been
 educated about lower tire pressure by everyone here.  The gauge works, but
 it's a bit finicky to get seated on the valve, and often all you do is let
 air out, without getting  a good reading.  Also a hassle to check, attach
 chuck, pump, repeat (not the gauge's fault, or course).  I basically gave
 that up and got a new pump with a nice gauge mounted high where I can read
 it.


 On Thursday, June 14, 2012 3:17:56 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

 I think I've got one of those, or at least it looks very similar, but
 it's Schraeder only. Do they make this type of gauge in Presta, or do
 y'all have to use an adaptor?

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Re: [RBW] Koolaid drunk.

2012-06-15 Thread PATRICK MOORE
No wonder my Flite felt bumpy ...

On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 2:58 PM, ANDREW LETTON let...@flash.net wrote:
 Patrick-  Forwent the pants, eh?  Just in time for tomorrow's Naked Ride...
 ;-)

 http://pdxpipeline.com/2012/06/11/portland-naked-bike-ride-pictures-info/
 cheers,
 Andrew

 
 From: PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com
 To: rbw-owners-bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Fri, June 15, 2012 1:49:55 PM
 Subject: [RBW] Koolaid drunk.

 FRIDAY, JUNE 15, 2012

 BSNYC Friday Fun Quiz!
 Yesterday, I dressed head to bunions in special bikey clothes, and
 then I rode around in circles for about an hour.

 I mention this only to underscore a fundamental truth, which is this:
 Once a Fred, Always a Fred.  Sure, I could have just jumped on a bike
 while wearing regular clothing, but instead I opted to don a special
 proprietary wardrobe just to enjoy an hour of leisurely forward
 motion.  For some reason, once you take it into your head that proper
 leisure cycling has to involve stretchy shorts and clicky shoes, it's
 nearly impossible to free yourself from this notion.  In fact, the
 only person in history who's successfully done so is Grant Petersen,
 and he even wrote an excellent book that will tell you how to do it
 too, though in undertaking his de-Fredification treatment you do run
 the risk of becoming something even stranger.  It's sort of like
 kicking drugs only to become a born-again Christian.

 Patrick Moore, who half-way Fredded up today in jersey and SPD shoes
 but forwent the gloves, helmet, pants and glasses.

 --
 Push back against the age as hard as it pushes against you.

 Flannery O'Connor

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Re: [RBW] Re: A new low

2012-06-15 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Whoops, forgot to set it to public. It's fixed.

https://picasaweb.google.com/BERTIN753/CORRALESBOSQUEJUSTEASTOFCORRALESROAD061512

On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote:
 Patrick, the link seems to be broken; google can't find it.
 Michael


 On Friday, June 15, 2012 4:09:50 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

 21 miles in the dirt today (haven't made it up to the Rio Rancho
 sandhills) just east of the River and along the back side of Corrales,
 which is a very interesting village combining old rural/farming, rural
 slum, McMansion, ranchette and just plain weird. Four pavement miles,
 17 dirt miles, much of it sandy.


 https://picasaweb.google.com/BERTIN753/CORRALESBOSQUEJUSTEASTOFCORRALESROAD061512#

 I didn't re-inflate after my cussing attempt to measure t pressure
 with my Topeak electric Chinese POS, but just rode -- 11 psi front,
 14.5 rear. This was fine and worked very well in the sand while only
 causing minor sidewall flop in corners on pavement. A couple of the
 photos below show my 29er tire footprint compared to the typical,
 hard, narrow 2 inchers.

 I wish someone made a Flite with springs. The Flite on the Fargo is
 very, very comfortable but when you ride over choppy, horse-churned
 dirt the constant, jerking up-and-down is much worse (with my tires)
 than washboard.

 --
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[RBW] Re: Honjos

2012-06-15 Thread Jan Heine


On Friday, June 15, 2012 9:01:00 AM UTC-7, William wrote:

 I took the slow and patient route and would advise the same to others.  
 It's one of those things that I can imagine one could do with far less 
 wasted motion with repetition.  I envision experts like JPWeigle doing an 
 install in the middle of a conversation about the 1975 RedSox, while the 
 awestruck observer just stares in appreciation this is worth the price of 
 admission

 Peter Weigle has an easy job of it. His bikes are designed for fenders, so 
they drop right in. Not only are the bridges equidistant, he also has 
threaded holes where the fenders go. He drills a few holes, maybe 
manipulates the diameter a bit, and off he goes. Even so, it takes some 
time.

Having installed fenders on bikes that had adequate clearances and on 
bikes that actually were designed with fenders in mind, there is a huge 
difference. I was surprised how simple it was to install fenders in my new 
René Herse. The only tough job was indenting the fenders so they fit beween 
the chainstays. (The Grand Bois fenders are exactly the right diameter for 
Grand Bois Hetre tires, so no massaging needed to get them to fit just 
right.)

By the way, the fender should be under no tension from the stays. 
Basically, when you loosen the stays, the fender should not move. 
Otherwise, your fender will break prematurely from the inbuilt stresses. 
Well-mounted aluminum fenders should last at least 30 years and 100,000 
miles in normal use, unlike plastic fenders, which cannot be mounted 
without inbuilt stresses, and thus will break after a couple of years.

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[RBW] Re: Appropriate technology

2012-06-15 Thread RJM
Somewhat better than some of the applications it is used for. ;)

On Friday, June 15, 2012 3:47:38 PM UTC-5, Horace wrote:

 Sometimes it is questionable whether carbon fiber is appropriate for a 
 given use.

 http://www.carbonfibergear.com/carbon-fiber-toilet-bowl/



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Re: [RBW] Re: New 650B conversion of a 1984 Miyata 912, and a foray in to tubeless

2012-06-15 Thread mikel66...@juno.com
my buddy has done fully loaded tours on 32h 650b Synergy rims and Hetres tires 
without problems...just saying
mike goldman
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Re: [RBW] Re: New 650B conversion of a 1984 Miyata 912, and a foray in to tubeless

2012-06-15 Thread Leslie
But, me alone, that's 250lb...   Then start to add up the camping gear, and 
headin' for non-paved scenarios

Not saying a 32h Synergy wouldn't hold up under me, but, for how long, and 
does it hurt to go to 36h?  The Synergy is available in 36h easily enough, 
anyway... it's the Dyad I'd wanted in 36h, but is no longer available...

I guess that's why I was interested in the A23;  if it's comparable to the 
Dyad, and available in 36h, it might be another option... 




On Friday, June 15, 2012 7:01:31 PM UTC-4, mike goldman wrote:

 my buddy has done fully loaded tours on 32h 650b Synergy rims and Hetres 
 tires without problems...just saying

 mike goldman

 warwick,r.i.


 
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[RBW] Re: Pressure Gauges: Facts? Opinions?

2012-06-15 Thread ted
I was just going by this:
http://www.niagaracycle.com/product_info.php?products_id=721863


On Jun 14, 10:55 pm, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks Ted, Accu Gage is a trademark of G.H. Meiser. They are the same
 thing. I know they make 30 psi gauges, but I thought those are
 Schrader only (for cars). Would be great if there was a Presta
 version.

 Gernot

 On Jun 15, 11:35 am, ted ted.ke...@comcast.net wrote:







  I believe Meiser makes one with a 0 to 30 psi face. The Meiser gauges
  look a lot like the accu-gauge being discussed in this thread, and
  might be the same mfg.

  On Jun 14, 9:32 am, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote:

   Can anyone recommend a tire gauge specifically for lower pressure
   presta applications? (I.e. car gauges won't work.) I run around 20
   pounds on some of my fatter tires, and while I don't need something
   super accurate, the gauges on my topeak mini pumps won't even register
   anything until you are somewhere near 25 or 30 pounds, and I like to
   adjust pressure down after riding to the trails on the road.

   Thanks,

   Gernot

   On Jun 12, 1:22 am, Mark Chandler gravelb...@hotmail.com wrote:

Recently my (several years-old) Accugage stopped holding its reading 
when I removed it from the valve.  I emailed Accugage, and asked if 
this could be fixed.  They responded promptly, and informed me that the 
gauge could be repaired, and that it would only cost $3 for return 
shipping.  That's definitely good service, IMO.

Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 14:06:08 -0700
From: garth...@gmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Pressure Gauges: Facts? Opinions?

The Accugage one is about the best you're gonna find.  I've tried 
various plastic one I thought were accurate  and they were way off !
Myself, a battery operated gauge is a solution to problem that does not 
exist... yet creates it's own problem !  Brilliant marketing ! The 
batteries often drain even when it's not being used and then you go to 
use it and ... ooops.  No gauge !

Some people like buying batteries though lol. I'd rather have a 
gauge that is not dependent on a battery.
-

The Topeak onehttp://tinyurl.com/87mf8rnissupposedtobe pretty good.

I have been looking at this analog one:http://tinyurl.com/7aubk6q

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[RBW] Re: New 650B conversion of a 1984 Miyata 912, and a foray into tubeless

2012-06-15 Thread William
Well I've only ridden 20 miles or so on them.  They for sure built up very 
well.  I expect a wheelset to last me 10 years at least, so ask me in 8 and 
I'll let you know.  :-)

On Friday, June 15, 2012 3:56:33 PM UTC-7, Leslie wrote:


 What do you think of the A23's?   I have 700c Dyads on my Ram, wanted to 
 go w/ 650b Dyads on the Bombadil, but as the 36h ones are no more, so I 
 went w/ 36h Synergies.  But talking w/ the folks at V, they suggested the 
 A23's at Longleaf.   I think the A23's should be lighter than either the 
 Dyads or the Synergies, but I want a 'bombproof' rim, even if it is a touch 
 heavier.   The Dyad is lighter, but supposedly stronger, than the Synergy, 
 but as it's not available in a 36h anymore, it looks like I'll be sticking 
 w/ the Synergy, unless something stronger comes along.   (I might could 
 live w/ 32h on my Ram, as it goes unloaded, but, for the Bombadil, I'm 
 sticking w/ at least a 36h...)




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[RBW] Any NE Ohio Rivs?

2012-06-15 Thread murphyjrfk
I feel like a lost breed amongst all the carbon bikes w stem risers. And I get 
jealous of all the other rivrallies that are just out of reach. I know 
Cleveland isn't famous for the land of milk n honey-- but there has to be a few 
out there. We need an Ohio riv ramble or something...

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[RBW] Re: Rivish Ramble on Monday - PDX

2012-06-15 Thread Andy Smitty Schmidt
I got a couple emails asking about details... 

Our tentative route is about 50 miles. No shortage of hills, several miles 
of gravel and some shoulder-of-the-highway riding to round out the 
experience. 

Bring at 2 bottles of water and food.

Meet 9am Monday at Madrona Hill Cafe (SW corner of N Greely  
Ainsworth)https://maps.google.com/maps?q=madrona+hill+cafehl=enll=45.566978,-122.695699spn=0.007872,0.01929fb=1gl=ushq=madrona+hill+cafehnear=0x54950b0b7da97427:0x1c36b9e6f6d18591,Portland,+ORcid=0,0,3647480784472112072t=hz=16iwloc=A.
 
Expect to be home about dinner time. 

--Andy


On Friday, June 15, 2012 9:12:26 AM UTC-7, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote:

 In response to the comments in another thread from folks who won't be able 
 to make it to the Grant P Style Ride on Sunday, Mike (aka Leaf Slayer) and 
 I got in touch off list and are planning our own Rivish Ride for Monday. 
 Our general plan is to meet up in North Portland and head out to Dixie Mtn 
 via St Johns, Hwy 30 and some gravel. We'll likely be out much of the day 
 and there will be plenty of climbing, but we'll be taking it relatively 
 easy since Mike has a 1200k coming up and we don't want to break him.  

 If anyone's interested and available, either reply to this thread or send 
 Mike or I a message off list.

 --Andy


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Re: [RBW] Any NE Ohio Rivs?

2012-06-15 Thread Thomas Nezovich
Hey Murph, I'm from NE Ohio:  Parma actually.  I know of one other Riv owner in 
Berea and one other who recently (finally ) sold his house and moved to 
Jamestown, NY.  Two Riv Rally East participants from last year are from the 
east side and one of them Bruce did the 2012 rally too.

Send me a personal email so we can get acquainted and perhaps ride together.  
My Riv props include Orange Rambouillet,  Bleriot,  and  650B Atlantis 
conversion (to run Hetres).

Tom Nezovich
On Jun 15, 2012, at 8:08 PM, murphyjrfk wrote:

 I feel like a lost breed amongst all the carbon bikes w stem risers. And I 
 get jealous of all the other rivrallies that are just out of reach. I know 
 Cleveland isn't famous for the land of milk n honey-- but there has to be a 
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[RBW] Re: Honjos

2012-06-15 Thread RonLau
To add to Jan's comment.  Now I don't put fenders on bike if it is not 
design for metal fenders (bridge placement, braze on...) I don't like the 
voodoo I had to do when I change a flat and when I clean my bike.

For me, a bike design for metal fenders, you should be able to remove them 
in 5 minutes and re-install in 10 minutes. Metal fenders is not rare 
anymore and we should demand more from builders to do the job correctly the 
first time.  Unless they promise to do the fenders voodoo for you when you 
have a flat, 1am, cold with a strong wind, and yes, you only have one 
borrow tube left.



On Friday, June 15, 2012 3:15:34 PM UTC-7, Jan Heine wrote:



 On Friday, June 15, 2012 9:01:00 AM UTC-7, William wrote:

 I took the slow and patient route and would advise the same to others.  
 It's one of those things that I can imagine one could do with far less 
 wasted motion with repetition.  I envision experts like JPWeigle doing an 
 install in the middle of a conversation about the 1975 RedSox, while the 
 awestruck observer just stares in appreciation this is worth the price of 
 admission

 Peter Weigle has an easy job of it. His bikes are designed for fenders, 
 so they drop right in. Not only are the bridges equidistant, he also has 
 threaded holes where the fenders go. He drills a few holes, maybe 
 manipulates the diameter a bit, and off he goes. Even so, it takes some 
 time.

 Having installed fenders on bikes that had adequate clearances and on 
 bikes that actually were designed with fenders in mind, there is a huge 
 difference. I was surprised how simple it was to install fenders in my new 
 René Herse. The only tough job was indenting the fenders so they fit beween 
 the chainstays. (The Grand Bois fenders are exactly the right diameter for 
 Grand Bois Hetre tires, so no massaging needed to get them to fit just 
 right.)

 By the way, the fender should be under no tension from the stays. 
 Basically, when you loosen the stays, the fender should not move. 
 Otherwise, your fender will break prematurely from the inbuilt stresses. 
 Well-mounted aluminum fenders should last at least 30 years and 100,000 
 miles in normal use, unlike plastic fenders, which cannot be mounted 
 without inbuilt stresses, and thus will break after a couple of years.


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