date:20130403

Could have been this one then!!!

Cheers,
David

On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 11:50 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:

Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Tuesday, April 2, 2013 5:32:39 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

When was that? We've had this one since '06 and original owner a few
years before that. If it was a couple years ago, it was probably this one:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/**cyclekabob/6463177887/http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclekabob/6463177887/

(I know all the pink mixtes on the internets)

Cheers,
David

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On Tuesday, April 2, 2013 4:06:55 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

Riv mixte barefoot, does that cover all bases?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/**c**yclotourist/8613993437/in/**phot**
ostreamhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/8613993437/in/photostream

Cheers,
David

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Better than that get a Brompton. At 73 years old and a hip
replacement I'm beginning to experience mounting and dismounting problems,
especially if I have the Carradice Nelson mounted. I recently bought a
Brompton and my mounting and dismounting problems are completely solved.
They are the most practical bike I've come across.

On Tuesday, April 2, 2013 10:43:08 AM UTC-7, Norman Bone wrote:

Study says old men should ride B. Foys.

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[RBW] Re: What's the Biggest Advantage of Stem-mounted Shifters?

2013-04-03 Thread Ron Mc

they make total sense for an upright bike.  

On Tuesday, April 2, 2013 10:49:35 PM UTC-5, James Warren wrote:


 They are the best shifter style for using one's left hand to shift the 
 right shifter or vice versa if/when the need ever arises. 

 I'm really liking my IRD stem shifter mounts. They go well with Shimano 
 bar-end shifters. 


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Re: [RBW] FS: Spring Cleaning Bars, brakes stems crank

2013-04-03 Thread yavo

I'll take the noodles if still available.
Fred


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 wrote:

 Hey group,   just trying to thin out some stuff that I never use and dont
 plan on using. All prices include shipping   Discounts for combined
 items!!thanks-Mike

 Bars: Nitto   Moustache 26.0 clamp $55
 Nitto  Noodles   44cm  $40
   Boscos   58cm$55
 Stems   Nitto Tech Deluxe   11cm   25.4 clamp  $30
  Nitto Tech Deluxe 11cm 26.0 clamp   $30
  Nitto Tech 10cm  26.0 clamp   $30
  Nitto Tech5cm  26.0 clamp   $25
 Brake Levers   2 pairCane Creek road levers   $20 each
  2pair Shimano Tiagra road levers   $20 each
 Canti BrakesShimano BR-550   the ones Riv used to sellpads are
 still good   $30
 Nitto Dynamic 626 Seatpost   27.2 diameter ~ 300 mm length$30
 Older Shimano Ultegra STI Briftersperfectly functioning$100
 Older Shimano 600 crankset(double)really good condition  chainrings
 are near perfect(48/40)   175mm crankarm length  $60





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[RBW] Re: FS: Spring Cleaning Bars, brakes stems crank

2013-04-03 Thread Davidbea

Hi Mike,
I'll take the Nitto Tech Deluxe 11cm 25.4 clamp and the Nitto Dynamic 626 
seat post if they're still available.
Regards.
David

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 Hey group,   just trying to thin out some stuff that I never use and dont 
 plan on using. All prices include shipping   Discounts for combined 
 items!!thanks-Mike

 Bars: Nitto   Moustache 26.0 clamp $55
 Nitto  Noodles   44cm  $40
   Boscos   58cm$55
 Stems   Nitto Tech Deluxe   11cm   25.4 clamp  $30
  Nitto Tech Deluxe 11cm 26.0 clamp   $30
  Nitto Tech 10cm  26.0 clamp   $30
  Nitto Tech5cm  26.0 clamp   $25
 Brake Levers   2 pairCane Creek road levers   $20 each
  2pair Shimano Tiagra road levers   $20 each
 Canti BrakesShimano BR-550   the ones Riv used to sellpads are 
 still good   $30
 Nitto Dynamic 626 Seatpost   27.2 diameter ~ 300 mm length$30
 Older Shimano Ultegra STI Briftersperfectly functioning$100
 Older Shimano 600 crankset(double)really good condition  chainrings 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Pics of you on your Rivendell.

2013-04-03 Thread PATRICK MOORE

The double top tube doesn't seem to be slowing you down. Sam Hill, I
suppose?


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 Here's two pics courtesy of the 2012 Courage Classic photographers -
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/neutralbuoyancy/8614840751/in/photostream/
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/neutralbuoyancy/8615946774/in/photostream/

 - Brian in Seattle


 On Thursday, March 28, 2013 5:41:47 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote:

 We always post pics of our bikes, but rarely us on them.

 Post some pics of yourself on your Rivendell.

 I will follow along shortly if I can get one snapped of myself on the new
 Hillborne.

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[RBW] Re: FS Odds-n-Ends

2013-04-03 Thread M D Smith

Sorry to post this to the list, but your email keeps bouncing back to me...
 
I am interested in the Nitto M-bars if they are still available.  Please 
get back to me at beewak at gmail dot com.
 
Thanks- Mike

On Tuesday, April 2, 2013 4:05:19 PM UTC-4, Tex69 wrote:

 I accept Paypal to same address.
 Buyer pays shipping. I usually use UPS but can use another if preferred. 
 More information at http://texluavullcyclingforsale.blogspot.com/
 Prices suggested OBO.

 **Nitto 25.4 Moustache Bar RM016N - very good condition- $50

 **Shimano Ultegra Brifters- 3x9 capable- aesthetically very well used but 
 work fine $40

 **Sakae SR-MT100 Adjustable seatpost- somewhat vintage- $10

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS Odds-n-Ends

2013-04-03 Thread Michael Williams

Shoot, you were responding to a different FS post. The M-bars Im
selling are 26.0 clamp. Sorry about that.Please dont send paypal
payment. -Mike

On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 7:11 AM, M D Smith bee...@gmail.com wrote:

Sorry to post this to the list, but your email keeps bouncing back to me...

I am interested in the Nitto M-bars if they are still available. Please
get back to me at beewak at gmail dot com.

Thanks- Mike

On Tuesday, April 2, 2013 4:05:19 PM UTC-4, Tex69 wrote:

I accept Paypal to same address.
Buyer pays shipping. I usually use UPS but can use another if preferred.
More information at
http://**texluavullcyclingforsale.**blogspot.com/http://texluavullcyclingforsale.blogspot.com/
Prices suggested OBO.

**Nitto 25.4 Moustache Bar RM016N - very good condition- $50

**Shimano Ultegra Brifters- 3x9 capable- aesthetically very well used but
work fine $40

**Sakae SR-MT100 Adjustable seatpost- somewhat vintage- $10

**Shimano Deore front derailer (Sheldon's spelling)- well used but
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Re: [RBW] Re: Repainted and rebuilt low trail Hunqapillar

2013-04-03 Thread Kelly

My question for you is on the shimmy... are you talking about a shimmy 
freehanded or a real shimmy.  I only ask as of all our bikes none have 
every shimmied and we throw a wide mix of loads at them .. 61cm atlantis, 
64 Bombadil especially... On my AHH and Ram depending on how I load them I 
am able to get a shimmy free handed at speed that quickly goes away as one 
slides a knee to the top tube.  Or wind conditions... but I have NEVER had 
any type of shimmy withe a hand on the bar or even a high speed thing on 
fast descents.  Anyway just curious ... 

The repaint and such looks great!!!  My Bombadil is on the way home from 
paint so will be touring next week on the AHH .. good test come to think of 
it as I just put the tubus lowriders on the front. 

Later

Kelly

On Tuesday, April 2, 2013 4:55:59 PM UTC-5, René wrote:

 Well, I love how the low trail forks have improved the way both the 
 Atlantis and the Hunapillar ride, especially when carrying a load on the 
 front. I love how the handling/steering of the bikes feels so intuitive to 
 me, whereas it seemed to me that with the original forks, I had to think 
 more to steer them.
  
 That being said, I'll add that if riding the bike unloaded, the 
 subjectivity of which geometry handles better is totally up to the rider. I 
 fell in love and was completely won over to the Riv bikes when I first rode 
 my Hilsen, which still retains its original fork. 
  
 Before the repaint, I place a Pass  Stow rack on the Hunqapillar with a 
 Swift bag made specially to fit it. With its high load, I hated how the 
 front wheel flopped terribly when the bike was stopped or on its dual 
 kickstand, but also discovered that as soon as you started riding, the 
 front load's effects completely disappeared. It was magical compared to 
 riding it with the original fork and a similar front load (Platrack + 
 PlatSack). Not that you couldn't ride it or get used to it, but they 
 difference is felt more clearly and positively with a front load.
  
 After the repaint, I installed the Tubus Nova lowrider with a pair of 
 Ostrich panniers and loaded them with the similar commute load I was using. 
 The difference in how the low front load feels compared to the front high 
 load is amazing. The steering is fantastic, as it was before, but with the 
 low load the front wheel flop when stopped or on the kickstand has 
 virtually disappeared. This combination makes riding the Hunqapillar with 
 the low front load absolutely amazing.
  
 I have to try how the bike feels with a rear load only as well as combined 
 with the front load. While I doubt that I'll ride it with just a rear load, 
 I was getting shimmy with the original fork, especially with a rear load on 
 my large SaddleSack. I haven't had any shimmy on either the Atlantis or the 
 Hunqapillar so far with any of the loads I've used, which is very nice. On 
 the Atlantis I would also get the shimmy with no loads.
  
 I haven't done any specific geometry measurements, but both bikes have low 
 trail forks with the rake set at 70mm which gives roughly a 40mm trail. The 
 difference is that I use 50mm tires on the Hunqapillar and 40mm tires on 
 the Atlantis. For comparison, the stock Atlantis 61 has a rake of 45mm, the 
 stock Hunqapillar 58 has a rake of 50mm and very telling (at least to me) 
 the Betty Foy 58 has a rake of 55mm. The combination of the Betty's higher 
 trail with the 650b tires make it the lowest trail stock Rivendell bike 
 (among the ones I have) and I've often wondered if that isn't one of the 
 qualities that make it so much fun to ride. 
  
 Since I'm not planning (for now) to use front loads on the Betty, I don't 
 really think I'll ever get a lower trail fork for it. It handles magically 
 as it is now. Regarding the Hilsen, I'm still undecided as I like riding it 
 with drop bars and a front Acorn Rando bag, but it's the one I ride the 
 least right now.
  
 Another fellow from the list came down to Palo Alto with his 61 Atlantis 
 and front load configuration as he wanted to get a first hand experience in 
 the differences between the stock and low trail Atlantis with his load. We 
 met and he rode both bicycles and although his had Albatross bars and mine 
 had the GB Randonneur bars, he went home as undecided as he had come. I 
 have no idea if he'll be ordering a low trail fork for his Atlantis or not, 
 my point is that preferences are going to be totally subjective.
  
 René


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 So what are your experiences with this fork, how did the bike ride before 
 compared to now? Have you measured the geometry with the new fork?

 Johan,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Repainted and rebuilt low trail Hunqapillar

2013-04-03 Thread Ron Mc

a drop-dead-gorgeous bicycle

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[RBW] Re: What's the Biggest Advantage of Stem-mounted Shifters?

2013-04-03 Thread gep71154

They're accessible enough without being t. If you think of shifting 
instantly as a your right as a cyclist, then you won't want 'em, but if you 
see shifting as a nice convenience and then say OK, that's plenty 
convenient (which maybe it isn't in some circumstances, but nothing that 
Better Planning  Foresight can't take care of), then there's just nothing 
wrong with them. I like how they make a new bike out of any bike 
(retrofits) and I like the --- I dunno, I just like them. As much as any, 
although I like BES and Thumbies too--and I'm lazy enough to not undo what 
I've already got. On my next bike, I'm going for stemmies.

On Tuesday, April 2, 2013 8:49:35 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:


 They are the best shifter style for using one's left hand to shift the 
 right shifter or vice versa if/when the need ever arises. 

 I'm really liking my IRD stem shifter mounts. They go well with Shimano 
 bar-end shifters. 


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Re: [RBW] FS: Spring Cleaning Bars, brakes stems crank

2013-04-03 Thread Michael Williams

Update   Noodles are actually 46cm.Sorry for the mislabel.   -Mike


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mkernanwilli...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hey group,   just trying to thin out some stuff that I never use and dont
 plan on using. All prices include shipping   Discounts for combined
 items!!thanks-Mike

 Bars: Nitto   Moustache 26.0 clamp $55
 Nitto  Noodles   44cm  $40
   Boscos   58cm$55
 Stems   Nitto Tech Deluxe   11cm   25.4 clamp  $30
  Nitto Tech Deluxe 11cm 26.0 clamp   $30
  Nitto Tech 10cm  26.0 clamp   $30
  Nitto Tech5cm  26.0 clamp   $25
 Brake Levers   2 pairCane Creek road levers   $20 each
  2pair Shimano Tiagra road levers   $20 each
 Canti BrakesShimano BR-550   the ones Riv used to sellpads are
 still good   $30
 Nitto Dynamic 626 Seatpost   27.2 diameter ~ 300 mm length$30
 Older Shimano Ultegra STI Briftersperfectly functioning$100
 Older Shimano 600 crankset(double)really good condition  chainrings
 are near perfect(48/40)   175mm crankarm length  $60





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Re: [RBW] FS: Spring Cleaning Bars, brakes stems crank

2013-04-03 Thread Brian Campbell

I would like the Nitto Deluxe 11cm 26.0. Is paypal ok? Please let me know.

On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 11:59:57 AM UTC-4, Michael Williams wrote:

 Update   Noodles are actually 46cm.Sorry for the mislabel.   -Mike


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 mkernan...@gmail.comjavascript:
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 Hey group,   just trying to thin out some stuff that I never use and dont 
 plan on using. All prices include shipping   Discounts for combined 
 items!!thanks-Mike 

 Bars: Nitto   Moustache 26.0 clamp $55
 Nitto  Noodles   44cm  $40
   Boscos   58cm$55
 Stems   Nitto Tech Deluxe   11cm   25.4 clamp  $30
  Nitto Tech Deluxe 11cm 26.0 clamp   $30
  Nitto Tech 10cm  26.0 clamp   $30
  Nitto Tech5cm  26.0 clamp   $25
 Brake Levers   2 pairCane Creek road levers   $20 each
  2pair Shimano Tiagra road levers   $20 each
 Canti BrakesShimano BR-550   the ones Riv used to sellpads are 
 still good   $30
 Nitto Dynamic 626 Seatpost   27.2 diameter ~ 300 mm length$30
 Older Shimano Ultegra STI Briftersperfectly functioning$100
 Older Shimano 600 crankset(double)really good condition  chainrings 
 are near perfect(48/40)   175mm crankarm length  $60





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[RBW] FS: Spring Cleaning Updated: Bars, tires, brake levers, crank

2013-04-03 Thread Michael Williams

Hey group,   just trying to thin out some stuff that I never use and dont 
plan on using. All prices include shipping   Discounts for combined 
items!!thanks-Mike

Bars: Nitto   Moustache 26.0 clamp $55
Nitto  Noodles   46cm  $40
Tires:   Jack Brown Greens:   Basically new,   ridden maybe 100mi.   $70/pr
   WTB Pathway 700x38  also basically new   ridden maybe 50mi   
puncture protection,  good all rounders.  $30/pr
   IRC Mythos XC slick   700x42  older but still lots of miles left 
   also good allrounders  $20/pr
 
Brake Levers   2 pairCane Creek road levers   $20 each/pair
 2pair Shimano Tiagra road levers   $20 each/pair

Older Shimano Ultegra STI Brifters   3x9   perfectly functioning$100
Older Shimano 600 crankset(double)really good condition  chainrings are 
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Re: [RBW] Re: What's the Biggest Advantage of Stem-mounted Shifters?

2013-04-03 Thread PATRICK MOORE

I rather liked the very hefty and solid, chromed stem shifters on the
almost-pristine Collegiate I owned a few years ago (owned briefly -- sold
it). They shifted the wide range 5 speed fw very well through an Alvit --
don't know why people sneer at the Alvit.

That said, on any bike with anything except upright bars -- ie, if I am
bending over the bar -- I prefer bar end or down tube shifters, though for
frequent shifting there is very much to be said for the old Kelly Takeoffs
which I really liked for half stepping. They could be shifted from hoods or
hooks.


On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 9:55 AM, gep71...@gmail.com wrote:

 They're accessible enough without being t. If you think of shifting
 instantly as a your right as a cyclist, then you won't want 'em, but if you
 see shifting as a nice convenience and then say OK, that's plenty
 convenient (which maybe it isn't in some circumstances, but nothing that
 Better Planning  Foresight can't take care of), then there's just nothing
 wrong with them. I like how they make a new bike out of any bike
 (retrofits) and I like the --- I dunno, I just like them. As much as any,
 although I like BES and Thumbies too--and I'm lazy enough to not undo what
 I've already got. On my next bike, I'm going for stemmies.

 On Tuesday, April 2, 2013 8:49:35 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:


 They are the best shifter style for using one's left hand to shift the
 right shifter or vice versa if/when the need ever arises.

 I'm really liking my IRD stem shifter mounts. They go well with Shimano
 bar-end shifters.

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[RBW] ISO Small Tweed Trunksack

2013-04-03 Thread Peter M

My anniversary is coming up and I was given the go ahead to get more bike 
bags as I am in need of a small trunk sack. They are out of stock on the 
Riv site so thought I would see if any serial bag hoarders wanted to sell a 
tweed trunksack small. Yes I know I owned one last year and sold it, but 
such is life. I dont really care if its the old or new style, just as long 
as it is in nice condition. Thanks all. 

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[RBW] Re: Pics of you on your Rivendell.

2013-04-03 Thread rob markwardt

I haven't been on a bike in nearly a week (hope to rectify that 
today)...been in the land of Cars.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/77502424@N00/8615884840/in/photostream

Rob Markwardt
back in Seattle, WA

On Thursday, March 28, 2013 5:41:47 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote:

 We always post pics of our bikes, but rarely us on them.
  
 Post some pics of yourself on your Rivendell.
  
 I will follow along shortly if I can get one snapped of myself on the new 
 Hillborne.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Repainted and rebuilt low trail Hunqapillar

Kelly, I was referring primarily to no-handed shimmy, but since I don't
ride no-handed, it's shimmy that I noticed primarily when going on downhill
slopes at more speed. I could control it but still felt it; fully
established when riding no-handed.

Nothing of the sort on both bikes as currently configured. Post pictures of
your repainted Bombadil!

René


On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 7:49 AM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote:

 a drop-dead-gorgeous bicycle

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[RBW] Singe TT Sams on Riv Site

2013-04-03 Thread Peter M

Hate double TTs? Riv has the Sam for you!  
http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/wsf-hillborne-56stt.htm 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Repainted and rebuilt low trail Hunqapillar

Thanks RonMc!


On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 11:26 AM, René Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote:

 Kelly, I was referring primarily to no-handed shimmy, but since I don't
 ride no-handed, it's shimmy that I noticed primarily when going on downhill
 slopes at more speed. I could control it but still felt it; fully
 established when riding no-handed.

 Nothing of the sort on both bikes as currently configured. Post pictures
 of your repainted Bombadil!

 René


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Re: [RBW] Singe TT Sams on Riv Site

Those are great! Touch too small, or I'd jump on it.

Cheers,
David



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 Hate double TTs? Riv has the Sam for you!
 http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/wsf-hillborne-56stt.htm

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Re: [RBW] Re: Repainted and rebuilt low trail Hunqapillar

2013-04-03 Thread Liesl

René, can you comment on how you like the reverse brake levers with the 
Boscos?  (and beautiful bike)  -liesl

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[RBW] Re: First Riv Ride

2013-04-03 Thread frank_a

 While I've corresponded with many list members over the years it was nice 
to actually meet and ride with one. Tom is a great addition to our Owners 
Bunch. He's no newcomer to cycling, but it was cool to see his first ride 
on a Rivendell bike. Tom hopped on the Saluki and took off down the block. 
As he headed back I could see the smile. I hopped on my custom and we were 
gone, as Tom said, for over an hour. We swapped bikes a few times along the 
way. We Just Rode,  I had a great time.
 Hopefully he'll have his Sam soon. 
- Frank

On Saturday, March 30, 2013 9:23:06 PM UTC-4, Tom Goodmann wrote:

 On a spectacular day here in south Florida, I enjoyed an excellent 
 afternoon, thanks to Frank Neff (of this board), who dropped by with his 
 Saluki (Albatross bars  650b wheels) and his Riv custom (Nitto Noodles  
 700c) so that I could get some feel for a couple of these bikes.  We tooled 
 around the area of suburban streets and the nearby U of Miami campus for 
 over an hour . . . I had no doubts about my recent purchase of a Sam frame, 
 but now I have a little experience under that impression, based on two 
 different bikes and bars. As we are about the same size, no adjustments 
 were necessary moving between the two bikes.  

 All I can say is, Wow!  The Saluki felt all-day comfortable, right off 
 (I think the saddle was a B68, very nice in the upright riding position), 
 and the Riv custom, with a B17 and the Noodles . . . felt like it was made 
 for me (sorry, Frank).  The shifting on both bikes was nearly effortless; I 
 had brought along old memories of friction shifters of less-than-Campy 
 quality, and the silver shifters on both bikes dispelled those thoughts 
 immediately, making shifts as easily as anything indexed; in fact, with 
 more pleasure.  I already understood why some of us end up owning several 
 bikes; now I understand why some readers wind up with a roomful of Rivs. 
  Many thanks, Frank!  --Tom


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Re: [RBW] Re: Repainted and rebuilt low trail Hunqapillar

I like the reverse brake levers a lot on the Bosco bars. The whole straight
back section is now clean and you can place your hands anywhere on it, all
the way up to and including the curves. The great benefit of the reverse
brake lever is that pretty much excluding the curved section, you have
access to your brake levers if all of a sudden you need to slow down. For
me, from all but the most forefront section near the curves, I can reach
the brake levers with my pinkie and annular (ring) fingers. When additional
braking power is needed, I move my hands closer to the brake levers.

In this regard, the Tektro 4.1 reverse brake levers were more user friendly
than the Paul's, since the lever is a bit longer. However, I found them to
be really squishy and remove a lot of the braking power, which was really
noticeable on my Betty with the Racer/Silver F/R brakes. I first installed
them on the Hunqapillar as well, and with the Neo-Retro/Touring brakes the
effect was still there, so I changed to the Paul's reverse levers and the
braking immediately improved and now feels comparable to how it felt with
the MTB like brake levers. This weekend I'm installing the Paul's on the
Betty as well. (3 sets of Tektro 4.1 levers will be up for sale soon)

Bottom line, unless you insist on having bar-end shifters on either Bosco
or Albatross bars, or any other bar that accepts them, I think reverse
brake levers is the way to go.

René


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 René, can you comment on how you like the reverse brake levers with the
 Boscos?  (and beautiful bike)  -liesl

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Re: [RBW] Re: April 7 SoCal Rive Ride in Ventura

Anyone going that wants to carpool? I'll be coming out the 210 to the 101,
but could do 10 to LA. My locals are flaking, so feel guilty driving that
far solo.

Cheers,
David



On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 11:33 AM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote:

 Planning on attending, hopefully with a few local individuals impressed
 into service. Will be great! Might take a couple pics if I'm not too busy
 trying to suck in O2 during the climb.


 On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 10:27 AM, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote:

 It is going to be a big group this year I think, at least by our
 standards.  There will likely be no shortage of pictures either.

 I am really looking forward to this, and need to get som ehil intervals
 in early this week as a bit of insurance for my legs

 Rob


 On Saturday, March 30, 2013 10:17:42 AM UTC-7, dougP wrote:

 Thanks for the update, Rob.  I'll be there with a couple of my touring
 buds.  We're all looking forward to this adventure.

 dougP

 On Saturday, March 30, 2013 9:10:56 AM UTC-7, rperks wrote:

 A quick reminder and an update that this ride is next week, and still
 on.  Meeting place is the NW corner of Garden St and Santa Clara in
 Ventura, Ca 93001.  This is the center of the block between the Patagonia
 headquarters / store and a discount shop up the street, Real Cheap Sports,
 so if you need some gear after the ride could be a good time to shop.

 Meeting time is around 9AM with a 9:30 roll out

 You can hit me with an email at this account perks.rob@gmail.  if
 you need more info

 See you soon

 Rob
 oceanaircycles.com
 Ventura, Ca

 On Friday, February 22, 2013 9:39:06 AM UTC-8, Bryan wrote:

 Sounds great! I should be able to make it.

 Bryan


 On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 9:12:01 AM UTC-8, rperks wrote:

 Save the Date, if you still can, and have the time to make it to our
 little part of the SoCal playground.  April 7 is gelling as the date for
 this year's Sulphur Mtn loop out of Ventura.  I revised the back end of 
 the
 loop a bit from years past, and you can see this year's route here:

 http://ridewithgps.com/routes/**2159896http://ridewithgps.com/routes/2159896

 47 miles and 3700 feet of climbing.  Start is in Ventura, Up the
 River Trail to sulphur Mtn where it is a 10 mile dirt climb, with a great
 drop back into Ojai, then home through a combination of country roads and
 the river trail.  Meet up in Ventura near Garden St and Santa Clara by 9
 and hit the road around 9:30.  This is a no man left behind sort of ride.
  We will be taking breaks for re-groups etc.  I recommend 3 water bottles
 as a minimum for the climb up Sulphur.  Tires 32mm wide for the dirt,
 gearing for 8-10% grades and brakes in order for the back side of the
 mountain are all suggested as well.

 We will stop at one of the many options for lunch in Ojai to grab
 something quick to eat and get back on the Road.

 This is a no host ride and not associated or sponsored by Ocean Air
 Cycles, just a bunch of like minded folks getting together for a fun 
 ride.
  Feel free to invite friends and spread the word.  The ride is all about
 having fun and enjoying the local scenery, pace is moderate, by no means 
 a
 hammer fest, but the climbing will likely test your endurance.

 I am looking forward to riding with all of you, meeting some new
 friends and sharing some of the best riding our region has to offer.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Experimenting with crank length

Well another great topic and one that applies to the well being of every 
cyclist as riding then having pain is counter productive. Thanks Jim! 

Now on to my non-scientific opinion, I'm 5' 101/2 with a PBH of 83.5 
riding with a 170 mm crank arms. I used to ride exclusively with 172.5 
cause that's what the industry seems to suggest for a 54 cm frame.

After reading Garth's thoughts I went for a ride and mid ride I moved my 
SPD cleats back effectively moving my mid foot over the pedal spindle, 
jumped back on the bike and started to pedal. Almost immediately I felt 
more power per stroke. The crank length felt like my old 172.5 mm crank 
arms, after a couple of miles I felt a nagging pain around my right hip, 
pulled over and lowered my saddle a mm or so and continued, hip pain gone! 
Road the rest of my ride this way and am amazed at the difference. I seem 
to be really sensitive to all the different angles, a little off and I feel 
it!  I rode today and felt a bit more muscle fatigue in my quads this is 
either because I'm a outta shape lump or the new angles related to the 
position change. I still think I need to dial in the saddle height and ride 
more miles so this experiment continues.

One last thing it seems to me that the longer the crank arm related to the 
individuals leg length the greater for an extreme on the up stroke and 
creating a need for more force on the down stroke this greater range of 
motion plus extra force would seem to me to add up to some orthopedic 
issues especially as one grows older as in my case. In my twenty's and 
thirties I could have ridden on 175's and never felt it. 

Musings from a mortal cyclist who wants as little pain as possible as is 
the case with Jim's significant person.

Hugh
Sunland, CA

On Tuesday, April 2, 2013 12:28:10 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote:

 Well Patrick,   I was using 175's at the time and I started using a mid 
 foot position over the pedal .   It felt wonderful but it also felt like I 
 was using really long cranks !   I used to use 185's and this felt 
 longer .  So that's when the short cranks came to mind.  I found some 
 people used short cranks, and some people used a mid foot position, but no 
 one combined them that I heard of  !  So  why not me ? !!   It was love 
 at first spin  lol.   ahaahahahahah !!  It took a week or so to really 
 dial in the saddle height, which was only about 5-7mm more than with the 
 175's because with a mid food position you lessen the overall reach to the 
 pedal. It's just so fun to spin *and* have great leverage !   I noticed I 
 was better using what power I do have, and after days of lots of climbs I 
 was never sore-ish the next day like I would often feel before. Now of 
 course .. all this is highly subjective to me ... but nonetheless it's 
 wonderful :) 


 All I can say is try it.  start with a mid foot position on one of your 
 bikes and play with it. (You have to lower the saddle a bit on a bike with 
 your regular cranks) . It simply feels super efficient ... almost like more 
 standing on the pedals but you're sitting, but not really(if that makes 
 sense !).  All I can say is try it and you'll either experience it or not 
 !!  Everyone has their way that works for them.

 Oh, you need some flat bottomed shoes. Stiffer works better for this .. I 
 use classic Birkenstock Arizona and Bostons. Chaco's would work well too, 
 as would about boat style shoe . 





 On Tuesday, April 2, 2013 10:28:54 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

 And Garth, ever gnomic, uttered: What would it feel like to have the 
 leverage of long cranks yet still be able to spin like short ones ?  Lo and 
 behold ... this came to my mind to try and it's better than I even imagined 
 !!! 

 O, unfathomable Garth: explain thyself to us of mere mortal ken: how, 
 exactly, dost thou get long-crank leverage while you spin like short ones?

 152s? Really? or was this an April Fools' joke that got held up?

 Me, I found that 175s on a low gear were horribly annoying to spin and 
 got rid of them. I use 170s, more or less, on everything.


 On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 6:56 AM, Garth gart...@gmail.com wrote:

 Experimenting on myself, all formulas for crank length are bunk !   
 lol  lolYes, I said it !I followed them , like they say, and I 
 have found using shorter ones to be absolutely prfect , for Me !   And 
 yes  I need please no one but me ... who else is there ?  lol  

 I use Sugino XD 152's .  I have a 36 inseam and size 15 feet.  I use a 
 mid foot position over the pedal ... another one of those myths I tested 
 and debunked .  I get the speed of a short crank with the leverage of a 
 long one with this way of riding ... and it came out by imagining it !!  
 What would it feel like to have the leverage of long cranks yet still be 
 able to spin like short ones ?  Lo and behold ... this came to my mind to 
 try and it's better than I even imagined !!!   

 I could use even shorter ones, but these are

[RBW] Re: Experimenting with crank length

Jim so interesting I was just thinking about crank arm length the other 
day! I suppose great minds think a like. Lol Really glad you brought this 
up.

Hugh
Sunland, CA

On Tuesday, April 2, 2013 12:38:07 AM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:

 Not exactly a Riv-specific topic, but I think some of you folks will find 
 this interesting, and I'd appreciate any insight. Maybe Jan has done a 
 study, or will do one soon.

 Over the years, I've used cranks in 165, 170, and 175 mm lengths, and all 
 seem to be ok. I think I prefer the shorter end of the range, 165 and 170 
 mm cranks (I'm just short of average height at 5'8), but 175 works well 
 enough. Anyway, it sort of blows my mind that with the wide variance in 
 human sizes, and bikes and parts to address most of that variance, that the 
 total difference from short to long in the crank world is only 10 mm. 
 So if you're 6'5, you're supposed to ride 175. If you're 5'9 you maybe 
 ride 170. If you're 5'2, obviously, you'd ride 165. My point here is that 
 it's ludicrous that a teeny-tiny 5 mm change in crank length could account 
 for, say, 6-8 in overall body height. It's doubly ludicrous that a person 
 can easily have, for example, 25-50 mm of saddle fore-aft adjustment (with 
 different saddles/seatposts) on any given frame, but only 5-10 mm to be 
 gained or lost switching cranks. It's a tough subject to discuss without 
 anecdotal bias because if you're somewhat close to average, you probably do 
 ok with whatever you're riding. If you're really tall, you could probably 
 be riding 180, 190, or even 200 mm cranks with improved efficiency and 
 ergonomics, but you've probably always been ok on 175. If you're really 
 short, even a short 165 may put your knees and hips through the wringer 
 on every pedal stroke. But we've all been forced to choose from these 
 limited offerings, and obviously we're still pedaling, so it must be 
 tolerable. Still, of all the ergonomic considerations on bikes, this is the 
 only part that moves regularly, and repetitive motion injuries are no joke, 
 so it makes sense to get it right, or closer to right.

 My ladyfriend Abby is pretty short - 5'3 with shortish legs. She has a 46 
 cm LHT and a 14 Pugsley that fit her pretty well. She had to cut a tour 
 short last summer because of knee pain and swelling after several days on 
 her LHT. The cranks on the LHT at the time were 170 mm Deore with big ring 
 replaced with bashguard, so crank gearing was 24/36/bash. After the trip 
 and the knee issues, I set her up with some 152 mm Sugino XD (same gearing 
 as before) that QBP sells and went as narrow on the BB as possible. So far 
 the shorter, narrower crank seems like a winner, but she hasn't really put 
 it to a serious test yet. My hunch is that better ergonomics equals better 
 speed/efficiency, even if she loses a little theoretical leverage with 
 shorter cranks. Time will tell.

 But now I'm going to shorten a crank for her Pugsley (hard to find a stock 
 pug-compatible crank under 170 mm). Since I'm not relying on a commercially 
 available crankarm length, I decided to think about it a little more 
 deeply. Tonight I drew a crude picture of some triangles and levers and 
 pivots that represent the leg-to-crank/pedal relationship, and I took Knee 
 Over Pedal Spindle (KOPS) as a goal for my analysis. KOPS has some known 
 flaws, but it's close enough for my purposes. Then I started putting all 
 the trigonometry into a spreadsheet, varying everything at different saddle 
 heights and seat tube angles, solving for crank length, and taking the 
 results with a big grain of salt (margin of error). In general, short legs 
 and slack seat tubes mean cranks should be shorter. Longer legs and/or 
 steeper seat tubes mean cranks should be longer. But much more impressive 
 than that observation, is the range of crank lengths this predicts. If 
 you're short, say 70 pbh, and you have a slack seat tube, you will probably 
 do ok on 120 mm cranks. If you're riding comfortably on a 72 cm AHH, 200 mm 
 arms would be more or less optimum if they don't drag on the ground. My 
 computation shows that my own optimum is in the mid 160s for the seat 
 tube angles I usually ride, which I know to be true from experience and 
 perception (though not from a controlled scientific experiment). My 
 ladyfriend should be on a 140 mm crank given her PBH and the 73deg ST on 
 her Pugs. I should point out that these specific values are based on 
 numerous wild-ass assumptions, and they should be understood to have a 
 large margin of error. I wouldn't bet my life on any specific result. I 
 would, however, wager that the range of optimal crank lengths is MUCH 
 larger than what is widely available to us. I'd also suggest that tallies 
 and shorties are not being well-served in this department.

 Here in the Twin Cities we have this guy (friend of mine) who sells 
 shortened cranks:
 http://www.bikesmithdesign.com/

 His page on

Re: [RBW] Re: Experimenting with crank length

2013-04-03 Thread Deacon Patrick

I've taken a solid year to dial in my saddle height, tilt, front to back 
position etc. I make sure to only change one thing at a time and see how it 
goes for a 5+ hours of riding, including one ride of at least 3 hours, then 
shift as needed. WIth a mid-foot position on the peddles, I like my saddle 
lower (like many of you have described, and farther forward on the post. 
It's currently all the way forward, and my next play is to try it back 
from there slightly. It is amazing how the various adjustments interplay, 
with one shift leading to a re-adjustment of another that had been dialed 
in. Of course I'm only back to cycling for a year, after many years away, 
plus I have a very shallow learning curve not having memory, so hopefully 
you are faster at this than I am!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 4:30:47 PM UTC-6, hsmitham wrote:

 Well another great topic and one that applies to the well being of every 
 cyclist as riding then having pain is counter productive. Thanks Jim! 

 Now on to my non-scientific opinion, I'm 5' 101/2 with a PBH of 83.5 
 riding with a 170 mm crank arms. I used to ride exclusively with 172.5 
 cause that's what the industry seems to suggest for a 54 cm frame.

 After reading Garth's thoughts I went for a ride and mid ride I moved my 
 SPD cleats back effectively moving my mid foot over the pedal spindle, 
 jumped back on the bike and started to pedal. Almost immediately I felt 
 more power per stroke. The crank length felt like my old 172.5 mm crank 
 arms, after a couple of miles I felt a nagging pain around my right hip, 
 pulled over and lowered my saddle a mm or so and continued, hip pain gone! 
 Road the rest of my ride this way and am amazed at the difference. I seem 
 to be really sensitive to all the different angles, a little off and I feel 
 it!  I rode today and felt a bit more muscle fatigue in my quads this is 
 either because I'm a outta shape lump or the new angles related to the 
 position change. I still think I need to dial in the saddle height and ride 
 more miles so this experiment continues.

 One last thing it seems to me that the longer the crank arm related to the 
 individuals leg length the greater for an extreme on the up stroke and 
 creating a need for more force on the down stroke this greater range of 
 motion plus extra force would seem to me to add up to some orthopedic 
 issues especially as one grows older as in my case. In my twenty's and 
 thirties I could have ridden on 175's and never felt it. 

 Musings from a mortal cyclist who wants as little pain as possible as is 
 the case with Jim's significant person.

 Hugh
 Sunland, CA

 On Tuesday, April 2, 2013 12:28:10 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote:

 Well Patrick,   I was using 175's at the time and I started using a mid 
 foot position over the pedal .   It felt wonderful but it also felt like I 
 was using really long cranks !   I used to use 185's and this felt 
 longer .  So that's when the short cranks came to mind.  I found some 
 people used short cranks, and some people used a mid foot position, but no 
 one combined them that I heard of  !  So  why not me ? !!   It was love 
 at first spin  lol.   ahaahahahahah !!  It took a week or so to really 
 dial in the saddle height, which was only about 5-7mm more than with the 
 175's because with a mid food position you lessen the overall reach to the 
 pedal. It's just so fun to spin *and* have great leverage !   I noticed 
 I was better using what power I do have, and after days of lots of climbs I 
 was never sore-ish the next day like I would often feel before. Now of 
 course .. all this is highly subjective to me ... but nonetheless it's 
 wonderful :) 


 All I can say is try it.  start with a mid foot position on one of your 
 bikes and play with it. (You have to lower the saddle a bit on a bike with 
 your regular cranks) . It simply feels super efficient ... almost like more 
 standing on the pedals but you're sitting, but not really(if that makes 
 sense !).  All I can say is try it and you'll either experience it or not 
 !!  Everyone has their way that works for them.

 Oh, you need some flat bottomed shoes. Stiffer works better for this .. I 
 use classic Birkenstock Arizona and Bostons. Chaco's would work well too, 
 as would about boat style shoe . 





 On Tuesday, April 2, 2013 10:28:54 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

 And Garth, ever gnomic, uttered: What would it feel like to have the 
 leverage of long cranks yet still be able to spin like short ones ?  Lo and 
 behold ... this came to my mind to try and it's better than I even imagined 
 !!! 

 O, unfathomable Garth: explain thyself to us of mere mortal ken: how, 
 exactly, dost thou get long-crank leverage while you spin like short ones?

 152s? Really? or was this an April Fools' joke that got held up?

 Me, I found that 175s on a low gear were horribly annoying to spin and 
 got rid of them. I use 170s, more or less, on everything.

Re: [RBW] Re: April 7 SoCal Rive Ride in Ventura

Hey David,

Coconutbill Evan lives in Santa Clarita Valley needs a ride. I'd give him 
one but I travelling up the day before and staying in SB. I think he posted 
on the Flickr posting.

Hugh
Sunland, CA

On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 3:13:07 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 Anyone going that wants to carpool? I'll be coming out the 210 to the 101, 
 but could do 10 to LA. My locals are flaking, so feel guilty driving that 
 far solo.

 Cheers,
 David



 On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 11:33 AM, cyclotourist 
 cyclot...@gmail.comjavascript:
  wrote:

 Planning on attending, hopefully with a few local individuals impressed 
 into service. Will be great! Might take a couple pics if I'm not too busy 
 trying to suck in O2 during the climb.
  

 On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 10:27 AM, rperks perk...@gmail.com javascript:
  wrote:

 It is going to be a big group this year I think, at least by our 
 standards.  There will likely be no shortage of pictures either.

 I am really looking forward to this, and need to get som ehil intervals 
 in early this week as a bit of insurance for my legs

 Rob


 On Saturday, March 30, 2013 10:17:42 AM UTC-7, dougP wrote:

 Thanks for the update, Rob.  I'll be there with a couple of my touring 
 buds.  We're all looking forward to this adventure.  

 dougP

 On Saturday, March 30, 2013 9:10:56 AM UTC-7, rperks wrote:

 A quick reminder and an update that this ride is next week, and still 
 on.  Meeting place is the NW corner of Garden St and Santa Clara in 
 Ventura, Ca 93001.  This is the center of the block between the Patagonia 
 headquarters / store and a discount shop up the street, Real Cheap 
 Sports, 
 so if you need some gear after the ride could be a good time to shop.  

 Meeting time is around 9AM with a 9:30 roll out

 You can hit me with an email at this account perks.rob@gmail.  if 
 you need more info

 See you soon

 Rob
 oceanaircycles.com
 Ventura, Ca

 On Friday, February 22, 2013 9:39:06 AM UTC-8, Bryan wrote:

 Sounds great! I should be able to make it. 

 Bryan


 On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 9:12:01 AM UTC-8, rperks wrote:

 Save the Date, if you still can, and have the time to make it to our 
 little part of the SoCal playground.  April 7 is gelling as the date 
 for 
 this year's Sulphur Mtn loop out of Ventura.  I revised the back end of 
 the 
 loop a bit from years past, and you can see this year's route here:

 http://ridewithgps.com/routes/**2159896http://ridewithgps.com/routes/2159896

 47 miles and 3700 feet of climbing.  Start is in Ventura, Up the 
 River Trail to sulphur Mtn where it is a 10 mile dirt climb, with a 
 great 
 drop back into Ojai, then home through a combination of country roads 
 and 
 the river trail.  Meet up in Ventura near Garden St and Santa Clara by 
 9 
 and hit the road around 9:30.  This is a no man left behind sort of 
 ride. 
  We will be taking breaks for re-groups etc.  I recommend 3 water 
 bottles 
 as a minimum for the climb up Sulphur.  Tires 32mm wide for the dirt, 
 gearing for 8-10% grades and brakes in order for the back side of the 
 mountain are all suggested as well.

 We will stop at one of the many options for lunch in Ojai to grab 
 something quick to eat and get back on the Road.

 This is a no host ride and not associated or sponsored by Ocean Air 
 Cycles, just a bunch of like minded folks getting together for a fun 
 ride. 
  Feel free to invite friends and spread the word.  The ride is all 
 about 
 having fun and enjoying the local scenery, pace is moderate, by no 
 means a 
 hammer fest, but the climbing will likely test your endurance.

 I am looking forward to riding with all of you, meeting some new 
 friends and sharing some of the best riding our region has to offer.
 -- 
 Rob Perks
 oceanaircycles.com
  

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[RBW] What's that response called, and which model has it?

2013-04-03 Thread Reid

Hi all -- I know there's a term for a bike that seems to spring ahead on 
its own when one is pedaling. The frame seems to absorb part of the power 
from pedaling and then let it loose at just the right time. My Romulus is 
like that. The bike seems alive!
 
So once someone recalls the terminology for that urge, can anyone tell me 
if the Sam Hillborn or the AHH tend to have that response? Or which one 
would be more likely to be that way? I know that the AHH has a bit thinner 
tubing than the Sam, although I have no idea whether or not that makes a 
difference. Would the Sam or the AHH tube thickness be closer to the 
Romulus?
 
You can tell that I want my next Riv to behave like the Romulus. And yes, 
even though the Rom is a great bike, after all these years, I NEED another 
Riv.
 
Thanks for any ideas.
 
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Re: [RBW] What's that response called, and which model has it?

I believe it's called planing or however it is supposed to be spelled...


On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Reid reidp...@earthlink.net wrote:

 Hi all -- I know there's a term for a bike that seems to spring ahead on
 its own when one is pedaling. The frame seems to absorb part of the power
 from pedaling and then let it loose at just the right time. My Romulus is
 like that. The bike seems alive!

 So once someone recalls the terminology for that urge, can anyone tell
 me if the Sam Hillborn or the AHH tend to have that response? Or which one
 would be more likely to be that way? I know that the AHH has a bit thinner
 tubing than the Sam, although I have no idea whether or not that makes a
 difference. Would the Sam or the AHH tube thickness be closer to the
 Romulus?

 You can tell that I want my next Riv to behave like the Romulus. And yes,
 even though the Rom is a great bike, after all these years, I NEED another
 Riv.

 Thanks for any ideas.

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Re: [RBW] What's that response called, and which model has it?

2013-04-03 Thread PATRICK MOORE

Springiness, liveliness, and the terrible planing.

Others will doubtless say different, and take into account my weight -- 175
-- but I found the Sam HIll (single top tube, 56) to be rather dull in this
regard -- much like the Fargo. It was a decent bike and if it had accepted
fatter tires I'd have kept it, but it didn't spring like my Riv roads.
OTOH, it seems to be one of the most popular Rivs.

Weight is not necessarily the issue, either: the Herse I owned was a tank
(and I didn't care for the handling) but it felt fast -- wonder if this was
because it fit so well?

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[RBW] Re: How I made a quick release basket that can be installed and removed in seconds, or even one handed.

2013-04-03 Thread clayton

Finally, I figured out how to get the video to Flikr. As you can tell, I 
still am learning how to post. I apologize for the repeat posts. Anywhoo, 
here is the basket in live action! Check out the video.  
*http://www.flickr.com/photos/fireman483/8618150566/in/photostream*

On Friday, March 29, 2013 12:52:06 PM UTC-7, clayton wrote:

 Hi folks,

 A while back I asked the groups opinion of the public bikes basket and 
 it's quick release. The opinions I got back were negative and got me 
 thinking on how to adapt a basket that could be installed and removed 
 easily but be very secure. I live without a car and use my Atlantis for 
 groceries etc. I didn't want to haul around an empty basket all the time, 
 or deal with zip ties constantly taking the basket off and zip tying it 
 down the next time I needed it to go to the store. So my requirements were: 
 Instant on/off, secure, elegant, lockable to the bike and not too heavy. 
 All was achieved but the elegance. Not ugly, but I need to paint the silver 
 bits...lol.

 I run panniers and a rear rack regularly. The basket is used as an 
 additional overload for *planned* shopping trips. 

 Check out the photos and descriptions. I tried to be clear as I could so 
 you could make your own if you so desired. Progress through the photos from 
 old to new. It should make sense after you get through the series of ten 
 photos and the descriptions. 


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[RBW] Homemade basket quick release video is up.

2013-04-03 Thread clayton

http://www.flickr.com/photos/fireman483/8618150566/in/photostream

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[RBW] Moustache vs. Noodle bar reach overlay with pics

2013-04-03 Thread NWAJack

Interesting.  I've always heard the reach was longer with the mmustache. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: April 7 SoCal Rive Ride in Ventura

Thanks, I just PMed him.

Cheers,
David

On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 4:06 PM, hsmitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote:

Hey David,

Coconutbill Evan lives in Santa Clarita Valley needs a ride. I'd give him
one but I travelling up the day before and staying in SB. I think he posted
on the Flickr posting.

Hugh
Sunland, CA

On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 3:13:07 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

Anyone going that wants to carpool? I'll be coming out the 210 to the
101, but could do 10 to LA. My locals are flaking, so feel guilty driving
that far solo.

Cheers,
David

On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 11:33 AM, cyclotourist cyclot...@gmail.comwrote:

Planning on attending, hopefully with a few local individuals impressed
into service. Will be great! Might take a couple pics if I'm not too busy
trying to suck in O2 during the climb.

On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 10:27 AM, rperks perk...@gmail.com wrote:

It is going to be a big group this year I think, at least by our
standards. There will likely be no shortage of pictures either.

I am really looking forward to this, and need to get som ehil intervals
in early this week as a bit of insurance for my legs

Rob

On Saturday, March 30, 2013 10:17:42 AM UTC-7, dougP wrote:

Thanks for the update, Rob. I'll be there with a couple of my touring
buds. We're all looking forward to this adventure.

dougP

On Saturday, March 30, 2013 9:10:56 AM UTC-7, rperks wrote:

A quick reminder and an update that this ride is next week, and still
on. Meeting place is the NW corner of Garden St and Santa Clara in
Ventura, Ca 93001. This is the center of the block between the Patagonia
headquarters / store and a discount shop up the street, Real Cheap
Sports,
so if you need some gear after the ride could be a good time to shop.

Meeting time is around 9AM with a 9:30 roll out

You can hit me with an email at this account perks.rob@gmail.
if you need more info

See you soon

Rob
oceanaircycles.com
Ventura, Ca

On Friday, February 22, 2013 9:39:06 AM UTC-8, Bryan wrote:

Sounds great! I should be able to make it.

Bryan

On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 9:12:01 AM UTC-8, rperks wrote:

Save the Date, if you still can, and have the time to make it to
our little part of the SoCal playground. April 7 is gelling as the
date
for this year's Sulphur Mtn loop out of Ventura. I revised the back
end of
the loop a bit from years past, and you can see this year's route here:

http://ridewithgps.com/routes/2159896http://ridewithgps.com/routes/2159896

47 miles and 3700 feet of climbing. Start is in Ventura, Up the
River Trail to sulphur Mtn where it is a 10 mile dirt climb, with a
great
drop back into Ojai, then home through a combination of country roads
and
the river trail. Meet up in Ventura near Garden St and Santa Clara by
9
and hit the road around 9:30. This is a no man left behind sort of
ride.
We will be taking breaks for re-groups etc. I recommend 3 water
bottles
as a minimum for the climb up Sulphur. Tires 32mm wide for the dirt,
gearing for 8-10% grades and brakes in order for the back side of the
mountain are all suggested as well.

We will stop at one of the many options for lunch in Ojai to grab
something quick to eat and get back on the Road.

This is a no host ride and not associated or sponsored by Ocean Air
Cycles, just a bunch of like minded folks getting together for a fun
ride.
Feel free to invite friends and spread the word. The ride is all
about
having fun and enjoying the local scenery, pace is moderate, by no
means a
hammer fest, but the climbing will likely test your endurance.

I am looking forward to riding with all of you, meeting some new
friends and sharing some of the best riding our region has to offer.
--
Rob Perks
oceanaircycles.com

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Redlands, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: April 7 SoCal Rive Ride in Ventura

Great! The more the merrier. It took me looking up PMed in an urban
dictionary for that lexicon, getting old :-)

Best,

Hugh

On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 5:03:39 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

Thanks, I just PMed him.

Cheers,
David

On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 4:06 PM, hsmitham hughs...@gmail.com javascript:
wrote:

Hey David,

Coconutbill Evan lives in Santa Clarita Valley needs a ride. I'd give him
one but I travelling up the day before and staying in SB. I think he posted
on the Flickr posting.

Hugh
Sunland, CA

On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 3:13:07 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

Anyone going that wants to carpool? I'll be coming out the 210 to the
101, but could do 10 to LA. My locals are flaking, so feel guilty driving
that far solo.

Cheers,
David

On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 11:33 AM, cyclotourist cyclot...@gmail.comwrote:

Planning on attending, hopefully with a few local individuals
impressed into service. Will be great! Might take a couple pics if I'm not
too busy trying to suck in O2 during the climb.

On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 10:27 AM, rperks perk...@gmail.com wrote:

It is going to be a big group this year I think, at least by our
standards. There will likely be no shortage of pictures either.

I am really looking forward to this, and need to get som ehil
intervals in early this week as a bit of insurance for my legs

Rob

On Saturday, March 30, 2013 10:17:42 AM UTC-7, dougP wrote:

Thanks for the update, Rob. I'll be there with a couple of my
touring buds. We're all looking forward to this adventure.

dougP

On Saturday, March 30, 2013 9:10:56 AM UTC-7, rperks wrote:

A quick reminder and an update that this ride is next week, and
still on. Meeting place is the NW corner of Garden St and Santa Clara
in
Ventura, Ca 93001. This is the center of the block between the
Patagonia
headquarters / store and a discount shop up the street, Real Cheap
Sports,
so if you need some gear after the ride could be a good time to shop.

Meeting time is around 9AM with a 9:30 roll out

You can hit me with an email at this account perks.rob@gmail.
if you need more info

See you soon

Rob
oceanaircycles.com
Ventura, Ca

On Friday, February 22, 2013 9:39:06 AM UTC-8, Bryan wrote:

Sounds great! I should be able to make it.

Bryan

On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 9:12:01 AM UTC-8, rperks wrote:

http://ridewithgps.com/routes/2159896http://ridewithgps.com/routes/2159896

47 miles and 3700 feet of climbing. Start is in Ventura, Up the
River Trail to sulphur Mtn where it is a 10 mile dirt climb, with a
great
drop back into Ojai, then home through a combination of country roads
and
the river trail. Meet up in Ventura near Garden St and Santa Clara
by 9
and hit the road around 9:30. This is a no man left behind sort of
ride.
We will be taking breaks for re-groups etc. I recommend 3 water
bottles
as a minimum for the climb up Sulphur. Tires 32mm wide for the dirt,
gearing for 8-10% grades and brakes in order for the back side of the
mountain are all suggested as well.

We will stop at one of the many options for lunch in Ojai to grab
something quick to eat and get back on the Road.

This is a no host ride and not associated or sponsored by Ocean
Air Cycles, just a bunch of like minded folks getting together for a
fun
ride. Feel free to invite friends and spread the word. The ride is
all
about having fun and enjoying the local scenery, pace is moderate, by
no
means a hammer fest, but the climbing will likely test your endurance.

I am looking forward to riding with all of you, meeting some new
friends and sharing some of the best riding our region has to offer.
--
Rob Perks
oceanaircycles.com

--
Cheers,
David
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[RBW] Bstone RB-3 on the bay...

2013-04-03 Thread murphyjrfk

Seems like a super deal.
Too bad it's not my size or I would take 2!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1990-Bridgestone-RB-3-with-Dura-Ace-7800-group-/111045718829?pt=Road_Bikeshash=item19dad7332d

I couldn't help but laugh and laugh and laugh. And think man...that'ts 3 
Rivs!


I'm all for capitalism, I really am. But 9k is absurd for almost any bike I 
can think of.

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Re: [RBW] Re: April 7 SoCal Rive Ride in Ventura

Title given to the ranking member of the majority party or coalition in a
parliamentary system of government? :-)

Cheers,
David



On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 5:20 PM, hsmitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote:

 Great! The more the merrier. It took me looking up PMed in an urban
 dictionary for that lexicon, getting old :-)

 Best,

 Hugh


 On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 5:03:39 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks, I just PMed him.

 Cheers,
 David



 On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 4:06 PM, hsmitham hughs...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hey David,

 Coconutbill Evan lives in Santa Clarita Valley needs a ride. I'd give
 him one but I travelling up the day before and staying in SB. I think he
 posted on the Flickr posting.

 Hugh
 Sunland, CA


 On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 3:13:07 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 Anyone going that wants to carpool? I'll be coming out the 210 to the
 101, but could do 10 to LA. My locals are flaking, so feel guilty driving
 that far solo.

 Cheers,
 David



 On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 11:33 AM, cyclotourist cyclot...@gmail.comwrote:

  Planning on attending, hopefully with a few local individuals
 impressed into service. Will be great! Might take a couple pics if I'm not
 too busy trying to suck in O2 during the climb.


 On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 10:27 AM, rperks perk...@gmail.com wrote:

  It is going to be a big group this year I think, at least by our
 standards.  There will likely be no shortage of pictures either.

 I am really looking forward to this, and need to get som ehil
 intervals in early this week as a bit of insurance for my legs

 Rob


 On Saturday, March 30, 2013 10:17:42 AM UTC-7, dougP wrote:

 Thanks for the update, Rob.  I'll be there with a couple of my
 touring buds.  We're all looking forward to this adventure.

 dougP

 On Saturday, March 30, 2013 9:10:56 AM UTC-7, rperks wrote:

 A quick reminder and an update that this ride is next week, and
 still on.  Meeting place is the NW corner of Garden St and Santa Clara 
 in
 Ventura, Ca 93001.  This is the center of the block between the 
 Patagonia
 headquarters / store and a discount shop up the street, Real Cheap 
 Sports,
 so if you need some gear after the ride could be a good time to shop.

 Meeting time is around 9AM with a 9:30 roll out

 You can hit me with an email at this account perks.rob@gmail.
 if you need more info

 See you soon

 Rob
 oceanaircycles.com
 Ventura, Ca

 On Friday, February 22, 2013 9:39:06 AM UTC-8, Bryan wrote:

 Sounds great! I should be able to make it.

 Bryan


 On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 9:12:01 AM UTC-8, rperks wrote:

 Save the Date, if you still can, and have the time to make it to
 our little part of the SoCal playground.  April 7 is gelling as the 
 date
 for this year's Sulphur Mtn loop out of Ventura.  I revised the back 
 end of
 the loop a bit from years past, and you can see this year's route 
 here:

 http://ridewithgps.com/routes/**2159896http://ridewithgps.com/routes/2159896

 47 miles and 3700 feet of climbing.  Start is in Ventura, Up the
 River Trail to sulphur Mtn where it is a 10 mile dirt climb, with a 
 great
 drop back into Ojai, then home through a combination of country 
 roads and
 the river trail.  Meet up in Ventura near Garden St and Santa Clara 
 by 9
 and hit the road around 9:30.  This is a no man left behind sort of 
 ride.
  We will be taking breaks for re-groups etc.  I recommend 3 water 
 bottles
 as a minimum for the climb up Sulphur.  Tires 32mm wide for the dirt,
 gearing for 8-10% grades and brakes in order for the back side of the
 mountain are all suggested as well.

 We will stop at one of the many options for lunch in Ojai to grab
 something quick to eat and get back on the Road.

 This is a no host ride and not associated or sponsored by Ocean
 Air Cycles, just a bunch of like minded folks getting together for a 
 fun
 ride.  Feel free to invite friends and spread the word.  The ride is 
 all
 about having fun and enjoying the local scenery, pace is moderate, 
 by no
 means a hammer fest, but the climbing will likely test your 
 endurance.

 I am looking forward to riding with all of you, meeting some new
 friends and sharing some of the best riding our region has to offer.
 --
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 oceanaircycles.com


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[RBW] Re: Bstone RB-3 on the bay...

2013-04-03 Thread Michael



 According to an article I just read in a Riv reader, Grant rated 
 Bridgestone bikes on a 0-100 scale (100 being a 2004 Rivendell Custom; 5 
 being a Magna mountain department store bike):
  
 45 for high-end Bstones,
 35 for mid-range Bstones.
  

*Though he states that Bstones are and were good bikes and noone should 
feel bad about their Bstone for getting rated a 45 or less. He said they 
were exceptional compared to their same-priced contemporaries.*

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Re: [RBW] Re: Repainted and rebuilt low trail Hunqapillar

2013-04-03 Thread Kelly

Rene 

Bomba is in route but not in time for next weeks tour.. So AAH to the rescue..

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/

This bike does everything.. Sheesh

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[RBW] Re: Moustache vs. Noodle bar reach overlay with pics

2013-04-03 Thread Michael



 I have read some stuff and talked with people about this and some say 
 longer, some say shorter. So I did the overlay thing just for my own 
 curiosity before swapping bars sometime.


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[RBW] Re: Moustache vs. Noodle bar reach overlay with pics

2013-04-03 Thread Michael



 This is a current stock Riv road NITTO 'stache as of March, 2013. I also 
 have an old 'stache and it is pretty much the same.
  

There are other brands of 'staches, and maybe they are longer reach. I 
think there was/is a NITTO mountain version of this bar, too. Maybe that 
has a different reach.
 
I think it will be fun to try other styles of bars. I am used to drops, so 
I am looking forward to trying moustache and Albatross bars to see how they 
feel. 

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[RBW] Re: Bstone RB-3 on the bay...

2013-04-03 Thread Joe Bernard

9 Grand!!? Yeah, that's a $400 bike on its best day, and only because of 
the nice vintage Dura-Ace stuff. What a tool.

On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 5:23:41 PM UTC-7, murphyjrfk wrote:

 Seems like a super deal.
 Too bad it's not my size or I would take 2!

 http://www.ebay.com/itm/1990-Bridgestone-RB-3-with-Dura-Ace-7800-group-/111045718829?pt=Road_Bikeshash=item19dad7332d

 I couldn't help but laugh and laugh and laugh. And think man...that'ts 3 
 Rivs!


 I'm all for capitalism, I really am. But 9k is absurd for almost any bike 
 I can think of.


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Re: [RBW] Homer Hilsen in the hills - a ride report

2013-04-03 Thread Iron Rider


Thanks. I a big part of the streak is not wanting to have to start all over!


On Tuesday, April 2, 2013 1:51:47 AM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 At least one 200K or more per month, that's pretty awesome!



  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bstone RB-3 on the bay...

2013-04-03 Thread Peter Morgano

best offer was accepted by the time I looked at it, hope someone didn't
get hoodwinked.

On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 9:09 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:

9 Grand!!? Yeah, that's a $400 bike on its best day, and only because of
the nice vintage Dura-Ace stuff. What a tool.

On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 5:23:41 PM UTC-7, murphyjrfk wrote:

Seems like a super deal.
Too bad it's not my size or I would take 2!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1990-**Bridgestone-RB-3-with-Dura-**
Ace-7800-group-/111045718829?**pt=Road_Bikeshash=**item19dad7332dhttp://www.ebay.com/itm/1990-Bridgestone-RB-3-with-Dura-Ace-7800-group-/111045718829?pt=Road_Bikeshash=item19dad7332d

I couldn't help but laugh and laugh and laugh. And think man...that'ts 3
Rivs!

I'm all for capitalism, I really am. But 9k is absurd for almost any bike
I can think of.

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Re: [RBW] Re: What's the Biggest Advantage of Stem-mounted Shifters?

2013-04-03 Thread Peter Morgano

I loved the positive action of stem mounted shifters, something about how
long the levers are just seemed effortless to shift.


On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 8:35 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:

 I just returned from a shakedown ride with new stemmies on La Ramba.
 Mavic/Simplex retrofriction shifting a 7/8-speed-era front Dura-Ace double
 and rear Mavic on a 12-27 9-speed cassette. It's both the bee's knees *and
 * the cat's pajamas. Very nice.

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/18972972@N08/8617126193/

 Joe Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.

 On Tuesday, April 2, 2013 8:49:35 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:


 They are the best shifter style for using one's left hand to shift the
 right shifter or vice versa if/when the need ever arises.

 I'm really liking my IRD stem shifter mounts. They go well with Shimano
 bar-end shifters.

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Re: [RBW] Re: April 7 SoCal Rive Ride in Ventura

Or Private Message :-) But your's sounds better.

Best,

Hugh

On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 5:34:59 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 Title given to the ranking member of the majority party or coalition in a 
 parliamentary system of government? :-)

 Cheers,
 David

  

 On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 5:20 PM, hsmitham hughs...@gmail.com javascript:
  wrote:

 Great! The more the merrier. It took me looking up PMed in an urban 
 dictionary for that lexicon, getting old :-)

 Best,

 Hugh


 On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 5:03:39 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks, I just PMed him.

 Cheers,
 David



 On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 4:06 PM, hsmitham hughs...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hey David,

 Coconutbill Evan lives in Santa Clarita Valley needs a ride. I'd give 
 him one but I travelling up the day before and staying in SB. I think he 
 posted on the Flickr posting.

 Hugh
 Sunland, CA


 On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 3:13:07 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.comwrote:

 Anyone going that wants to carpool? I'll be coming out the 210 to the 
 101, but could do 10 to LA. My locals are flaking, so feel guilty driving 
 that far solo.

 Cheers,
 David



 On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 11:33 AM, cyclotourist cyclot...@gmail.comwrote:

  Planning on attending, hopefully with a few local individuals 
 impressed into service. Will be great! Might take a couple pics if I'm 
 not 
 too busy trying to suck in O2 during the climb.
  

 On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 10:27 AM, rperks perk...@gmail.com wrote:

  It is going to be a big group this year I think, at least by our 
 standards.  There will likely be no shortage of pictures either.

 I am really looking forward to this, and need to get som ehil 
 intervals in early this week as a bit of insurance for my legs

 Rob


 On Saturday, March 30, 2013 10:17:42 AM UTC-7, dougP wrote:

 Thanks for the update, Rob.  I'll be there with a couple of my 
 touring buds.  We're all looking forward to this adventure.  

 dougP

 On Saturday, March 30, 2013 9:10:56 AM UTC-7, rperks wrote:

 A quick reminder and an update that this ride is next week, and 
 still on.  Meeting place is the NW corner of Garden St and Santa 
 Clara in 
 Ventura, Ca 93001.  This is the center of the block between the 
 Patagonia 
 headquarters / store and a discount shop up the street, Real Cheap 
 Sports, 
 so if you need some gear after the ride could be a good time to shop. 
  

 Meeting time is around 9AM with a 9:30 roll out

 You can hit me with an email at this account perks.rob@gmail.  
 if you need more info

 See you soon

 Rob
 oceanaircycles.com
 Ventura, Ca

 On Friday, February 22, 2013 9:39:06 AM UTC-8, Bryan wrote:

 Sounds great! I should be able to make it. 

 Bryan


 On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 9:12:01 AM UTC-8, rperks wrote:

 Save the Date, if you still can, and have the time to make it to 
 our little part of the SoCal playground.  April 7 is gelling as the 
 date 
 for this year's Sulphur Mtn loop out of Ventura.  I revised the 
 back end of 
 the loop a bit from years past, and you can see this year's route 
 here:

 http://ridewithgps.com/routes/**2159896http://ridewithgps.com/routes/2159896

 47 miles and 3700 feet of climbing.  Start is in Ventura, Up the 
 River Trail to sulphur Mtn where it is a 10 mile dirt climb, with a 
 great 
 drop back into Ojai, then home through a combination of country 
 roads and 
 the river trail.  Meet up in Ventura near Garden St and Santa Clara 
 by 9 
 and hit the road around 9:30.  This is a no man left behind sort of 
 ride. 
  We will be taking breaks for re-groups etc.  I recommend 3 water 
 bottles 
 as a minimum for the climb up Sulphur.  Tires 32mm wide for the 
 dirt, 
 gearing for 8-10% grades and brakes in order for the back side of 
 the 
 mountain are all suggested as well.

 We will stop at one of the many options for lunch in Ojai to 
 grab something quick to eat and get back on the Road.

 This is a no host ride and not associated or sponsored by Ocean 
 Air Cycles, just a bunch of like minded folks getting together for 
 a fun 
 ride.  Feel free to invite friends and spread the word.  The ride 
 is all 
 about having fun and enjoying the local scenery, pace is moderate, 
 by no 
 means a hammer fest, but the climbing will likely test your 
 endurance.

 I am looking forward to riding with all of you, meeting some new 
 friends and sharing some of the best riding our region has to offer.
 -- 
 Rob Perks
 oceanaircycles.com
  

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[RBW] Re: FS: Spring Cleaning Updated: Bars, tires, brake levers, crank

2013-04-03 Thread Rando Rambo

Hi Michael,

I will take the Nitto Noodle Bar 46cm if they are available.  Please let me 
know how you would like to arrange this?

thanks, 

Parviz

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bstone RB-3 on the bay...

2013-04-03 Thread James Warren

It's a fine bike with a hi-tensile steel fork, I believe.-Original Message-
From: Peter Morgano 
Sent: Apr 3, 2013 6:29 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch 
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Bstone RB-3 on the bay...

"best offer" was accepted by the time I looked at it, hope someone didn't get hoodwinked. On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 9:09 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:
9 Grand!!? Yeah, that's a $400 bike on its best day, and only because of the nice vintage Dura-Ace stuff. What a tool.
On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 5:23:41 PM UTC-7, murphyjrfk wrote:
Seems like a super deal.Too bad it's not my size or I would take 2!http://www.ebay.com/itm/1990-Bridgestone-RB-3-with-Dura-Ace-7800-group-/111045718829?pt=Road_Bikeshash=item19dad7332d
I couldn't help but laugh and laugh and laugh. And think man...that'ts 3 Rivs!I'm all for capitalism, I really am. But 9k is absurd for almost any bike I can think of.

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[RBW] Re: Repainted and rebuilt low trail Hunqapillar

Indeed! The AHH is just an incredible bike.

On Wednesday, April 3, 2013, Kelly wrote:

 Rene

 Bomba is in route but not in time for next weeks tour.. So AAH to the
 rescue..

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/

 This bike does everything.. Sheesh

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Re: [RBW] Singe TT Sams on Riv Site

2013-04-03 Thread James Warren

That is such a great deal. Seems to be the paint characteristic of the higher end models and under $1000. Anyone who fits this frame and who needs one couldn't find a better price for a do-all Rivendell. It's just one tiny notch below Atlantis in terms of allrounderness.-Original Message-
From: cyclotourist 
Sent: Apr 3, 2013 12:06 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: Re: [RBW] Singe TT Sams on Riv Site

Those are great! Touch too small, or I'd jump on it.Cheers,David
On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Peter M uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote:
Hate double TTs? Riv has the Sam for you! http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/wsf-hillborne-56stt.htm 

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[RBW] Re: What's the Biggest Advantage of Stem-mounted Shifters?

2013-04-03 Thread Jan Heine

I wonder why few bikes in recent years have put the shifters on the top 
tube. That was common in the 1930s, when most cyclotourists rode in a more 
upright position. Top tube-mounted shifters would be as accessible as 
stem-mounted ones, but you'd eliminate the cable housing (the shifters no 
longer have to turn with the fork) and thus get a lighter, more positive 
system. With modern top-pull derailleurs, the cable routing would be easy - 
cyclocross style along the top tube and down the seat tube (front 
derailleur) and seatstay (rear derailleur).

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Re: [RBW] Re: What's the Biggest Advantage of Stem-mounted Shifters?

2013-04-03 Thread Steve Palincsar

On Wed, 2013-04-03 at 18:57 -0700, Jan Heine wrote:

 I wonder why few bikes in recent years have put the shifters on the
 top tube. That was common in the 1930s, when most cyclotourists rode
 in a more upright position. Top tube-mounted shifters would be as
 accessible as stem-mounted ones, but you'd eliminate the cable housing
 (the shifters no longer have to turn with the fork) and thus get a
 lighter, more positive system. With modern top-pull derailleurs, the
 cable routing would be easy - cyclocross style along the top tube and
 down the seat tube (front derailleur) and seatstay (rear derailleur).




Like this, you mean?  Very popular back in the 70s, I believe.  But at
least in urban legend, it had a small emasulation problem...


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Re: [RBW] Re: First Riv Ride

2013-04-03 Thread Tom Goodmann

Having already bought one of the Sam frames on sale, I'm now down for one
of the already-built complete bikes that appeared today . . . though I
hesitated for a moment between the double TT (painted blue in error) and
the single TT frame (correctly painted, but missing that second TT) . .  .
meanwhile, the 59 Heron from the auction site should be here on Monday!
 Has anyone figured out how to ride two at once?
 Thanks again, Frank. Hope to meet more of you down the road.



On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 4:26 PM, frank_a fk...@aol.com wrote:

  While I've corresponded with many list members over the years it was nice
 to actually meet and ride with one. Tom is a great addition to our Owners
 Bunch. He's no newcomer to cycling, but it was cool to see his first ride
 on a Rivendell bike. Tom hopped on the Saluki and took off down the block.
 As he headed back I could see the smile. I hopped on my custom and we were
 gone, as Tom said, for over an hour. We swapped bikes a few times along the
 way. We Just Rode,  I had a great time.
  Hopefully he'll have his Sam soon.
 - Frank

 On Saturday, March 30, 2013 9:23:06 PM UTC-4, Tom Goodmann wrote:

 On a spectacular day here in south Florida, I enjoyed an excellent
 afternoon, thanks to Frank Neff (of this board), who dropped by with his
 Saluki (Albatross bars  650b wheels) and his Riv custom (Nitto Noodles 
 700c) so that I could get some feel for a couple of these bikes.  We tooled
 around the area of suburban streets and the nearby U of Miami campus for
 over an hour . . . I had no doubts about my recent purchase of a Sam frame,
 but now I have a little experience under that impression, based on two
 different bikes and bars. As we are about the same size, no adjustments
 were necessary moving between the two bikes.

 All I can say is, Wow!  The Saluki felt all-day comfortable, right off
 (I think the saddle was a B68, very nice in the upright riding position),
 and the Riv custom, with a B17 and the Noodles . . . felt like it was made
 for me (sorry, Frank).  The shifting on both bikes was nearly effortless; I
 had brought along old memories of friction shifters of less-than-Campy
 quality, and the silver shifters on both bikes dispelled those thoughts
 immediately, making shifts as easily as anything indexed; in fact, with
 more pleasure.  I already understood why some of us end up owning several
 bikes; now I understand why some readers wind up with a roomful of Rivs.
  Many thanks, Frank!  --Tom

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Re: [RBW] Re: First Riv Ride

2013-04-03 Thread Peter Morgano

Thank god someone got that awesome Heron, I was ready to sell one of my
collection to justify another purchase. With an anniversary, my wife's
birthday and Mother's Day coming up in the next month though I did fear for
my life, haha.


On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 10:16 PM, Tom Goodmann tgoodm...@gmail.com wrote:

 Having already bought one of the Sam frames on sale, I'm now down for one
 of the already-built complete bikes that appeared today . . . though I
 hesitated for a moment between the double TT (painted blue in error) and
 the single TT frame (correctly painted, but missing that second TT) . .  .
 meanwhile, the 59 Heron from the auction site should be here on Monday!
  Has anyone figured out how to ride two at once?
  Thanks again, Frank. Hope to meet more of you down the road.



 On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 4:26 PM, frank_a fk...@aol.com wrote:

  While I've corresponded with many list members over the years it was
 nice to actually meet and ride with one. Tom is a great addition to our
 Owners Bunch. He's no newcomer to cycling, but it was cool to see his
 first ride on a Rivendell bike. Tom hopped on the Saluki and took off down
 the block. As he headed back I could see the smile. I hopped on my custom
 and we were gone, as Tom said, for over an hour. We swapped bikes a few
 times along the way. We Just Rode,  I had a great time.
  Hopefully he'll have his Sam soon.
 - Frank

 On Saturday, March 30, 2013 9:23:06 PM UTC-4, Tom Goodmann wrote:

 On a spectacular day here in south Florida, I enjoyed an excellent
 afternoon, thanks to Frank Neff (of this board), who dropped by with his
 Saluki (Albatross bars  650b wheels) and his Riv custom (Nitto Noodles 
 700c) so that I could get some feel for a couple of these bikes.  We tooled
 around the area of suburban streets and the nearby U of Miami campus for
 over an hour . . . I had no doubts about my recent purchase of a Sam frame,
 but now I have a little experience under that impression, based on two
 different bikes and bars. As we are about the same size, no adjustments
 were necessary moving between the two bikes.

 All I can say is, Wow!  The Saluki felt all-day comfortable, right off
 (I think the saddle was a B68, very nice in the upright riding position),
 and the Riv custom, with a B17 and the Noodles . . . felt like it was made
 for me (sorry, Frank).  The shifting on both bikes was nearly effortless; I
 had brought along old memories of friction shifters of less-than-Campy
 quality, and the silver shifters on both bikes dispelled those thoughts
 immediately, making shifts as easily as anything indexed; in fact, with
 more pleasure.  I already understood why some of us end up owning several
 bikes; now I understand why some readers wind up with a roomful of Rivs.
  Many thanks, Frank!  --Tom

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Re: [RBW] Moustache vs. Noodle bar reach overlay with pics

For me I need a slightly shorter stem as the forward hooks of the M's are
too far forward. It's like riding on your hoods the entire time.

Cheers,
David



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 Interesting.  I've always heard the reach was longer with the mmustache.

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[RBW] Homemade basket quick release video is up.

2013-04-03 Thread Boogarich

Very clever.  How about a parts list?

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[RBW] Re: Homemade basket quick release video is up.

2013-04-03 Thread LF

genius ... pure genius
Thanks,
L

On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 7:54:44 PM UTC-4, clayton wrote:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/fireman483/8618150566/in/photostream


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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Spring Cleaning Updated: Bars, tires, brake levers, crank

2013-04-03 Thread Mike Williams

Noodles are spoken for

Sent from my iPhone

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 Hi Michael,
 
 I will take the Nitto Noodle Bar 46cm if they are available.  Please let me 
 know how you would like to arrange this?
 
 thanks, 
 
 Parviz
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[RBW] Re: New Riv Weekend!

2013-04-03 Thread Brencho

That's an excellent point! I'm taking the suggestion to heart and riding a 
lot. If anyone is ever interested in helping get it dirty by going for a 
ride somewhere in the bay area, let me know!

cheers,
brencho


On Monday, April 1, 2013 11:40:24 PM UTC-7, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote:

 Echoing what Manny said... the only thing that bike still needs is a 
 little dirt. Keep the pics rolling in. 

 --Smitty

 On Sunday, March 31, 2013 1:52:50 PM UTC-7, Brencho wrote:

 Hi folks,

 For a long time now, I've been reading these pages and also saving up for 
 my first rivendell. I've learned so much over the years from the riv 
 readers and from conversations with those fine folks that it hardly felt 
 like a choice! After a worthwhile wait, I picked up my Atlantis on Friday. 
 It's a 58 cm frame, ready for anything. I recently moved to the bay area 
 and didn't  bring my car, so this bike is ready for my (very pleasant 15 
 mile) commute, heavy loads of anything (groceries etc), and lots of fun 
 weekend rides and camping trips to get to know the area (and some longer 
 west coast rides over the summers). I've been reading/lurking on here for 
 so long that I felt compelled to share my excitement/enthusiasm and post a 
 picture of my bike as yet another example of the myriad ways you can set up 
 a rivendell! Thanks to all the fine folks at rivendell for being so good 
 at what they do.

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/89278146@N03/sets/72157633127231235/



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Re: [RBW] Re: What's the Biggest Advantage of Stem-mounted Shifters?

2013-04-03 Thread Jan Heine

More like this

http://www.bikequarterly.com/images/faure.jpg

And if you are concerned about the shifters, you also should be concerned 
about the stem right in front of them...

Jan Heine
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On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 7:01:53 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:

  On Wed, 2013-04-03 at 18:57 -0700, Jan Heine wrote:

 I wonder why few bikes in recent years have put the shifters on the top 
 tube. That was common in the 1930s, when most cyclotourists rode in a more 
 upright position. Top tube-mounted shifters would be as accessible as 
 stem-mounted ones, but you'd eliminate the cable housing (the shifters no 
 longer have to turn with the fork) and thus get a lighter, more positive 
 system. With modern top-pull derailleurs, the cable routing would be easy - 
 cyclocross style along the top tube and down the seat tube (front 
 derailleur) and seatstay (rear derailleur).




 Like this, you mean?  Very popular back in the 70s, I believe.  But at 
 least in urban legend, it had a small emasulation problem...


  

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Re: [RBW] Re: What's the Biggest Advantage of Stem-mounted Shifters?

2013-04-03 Thread Alex Zeibot

Jan,
Off topic but it piqued my interest, what is this thing situated on the
fender between the headlight and straddle cable in the second picture?


On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 11:00 PM, Jan Heine hein...@earthlink.net wrote:

 More like this

 http://www.bikequarterly.com/images/faure.jpg

 And if you are concerned about the shifters, you also should be concerned
 about the stem right in front of them...


 Jan Heine
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 Bicycle Quarterly
 www.bikequarterly.com

 Follow our blog at www.janheine.com

 On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 7:01:53 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:

  On Wed, 2013-04-03 at 18:57 -0700, Jan Heine wrote:

 I wonder why few bikes in recent years have put the shifters on the top
 tube. That was common in the 1930s, when most cyclotourists rode in a more
 upright position. Top tube-mounted shifters would be as accessible as
 stem-mounted ones, but you'd eliminate the cable housing (the shifters no
 longer have to turn with the fork) and thus get a lighter, more positive
 system. With modern top-pull derailleurs, the cable routing would be easy -
 cyclocross style along the top tube and down the seat tube (front
 derailleur) and seatstay (rear derailleur).




 Like this, you mean?  Very popular back in the 70s, I believe.  But at
 least in urban legend, it had a small emasulation problem...


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Re: [RBW] What's the Biggest Advantage of Stem-mounted Shifters?