Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.
Jim, At the least you can drive down and hang with us or perhaps take a later train to San Clemente which is a 5 mile ride to San Mateo Campground, then we'll ride the single track, swim, eat and carry on about Rivendell bikes. Hugh Sunland, Ca On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 10:31 PM, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.netwrote: Gonna be tight. It all depends how much time our school admin wants to take requiring us to learn things in a mandatory meeting day. I may not make it down in time. So if you're counting heads, I have to say no. However, I'm gonna crash it if things work out. -Jim W. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 1, 2013, at 9:37 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Meet point is in Irvine, close to I-5 Culver Dr, and the Tustin Metrolink station. From here it is nominally 30 miles to San Mateo so a mid-afternoon start gives plenty of time. So far looks like 4-5-6 (???). dougP On Thursday, August 1, 2013 8:33:24 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote: Mitch, It was good to meet you and would enjoy your presence on this S240. Doug has a point, you can ride your bike for evening festivities then (with appropriate lighting) ride the mile or so to the Inn and reconvene for Breakfast. David mentioned a single track called the No Tools trail on the San Clemente Singletrack. It parallels Christianitos Rd though I don't know the distance ect... I know I'll be riding the 30 odd miles to camp so theoretically I could unload the Hilsen then do a short single track ride. As long as I have time to go swimming and of course daylight to cook or ride to town for a meal. I'd like to get a count of those joining for the ride down and meeting at Doug's. Hugh Sunland, Ca On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 7:56 PM, dougP doug...@cox.net wrote: Mitch: Just get on down here we'll make it happen. My interpretation of the S24O spirit is just to get out for an overnight break the routine. Camping gear is easy to borrow. Lodging is fine if it gets you away but you miss all the campfire fun. But, wait, yes, you have lights! You can hang out, cruise back to town (a whopping mile away) we'll see you for breakfast. dougP On Thursday, August 1, 2013 7:08:38 PM UTC-7, Mitch Browne wrote: Hugh, I don't have any camping gear but Tom's suggestion re: San Clemente Inn sounds interesting given it's only a mile away. Although I went through training at Camp Pendleton longer-ago-Than-I-care-to-**reme**mber I don't know this area at all. Would this violate the S240 spirit? I did enjoy the brief visit up here last week with you, Evan, and omnipresent DougP. I'd have to see how this shakes out with the beginning of school. Mitch Browne San Luis Obispo, CA On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote: SoCal Rivesters, I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground near San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug P's home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could either meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or ride the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the site, a few options to choose from. Suggestions are welcome. Once there we can jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a good date before the Labor Day weekend. Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this moment so I need a count quick before I reserve it. Thanks for looking, ~Hugh -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/** topic/rbw-owners-bunch/**4mHdM9P2lK0/unsubscribehttps://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/4mHdM9P2lK0/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@**googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.**com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/rbw-owners-bunchhttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_outhttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/4mHdM9P2lK0/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email
Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.
David, Let me see I have a spare tent you can use. I have a 1 person about 3 lbs 2 person with a trail weight( Fly, poles footprint) of 4 lbs works well. Let me decide which I'm bringing and you can use the other. Cool? Hugh Sunland, Ca On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 10:44 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote: I'm hoping to make it, should be a lot of fun. The singletrack I mentioned and encourage you all to ride is very doable with Riv-ish bikes. It starts pretty close to the San Mateo Campground's entrance. Knobbies are not needed. Does anyone have an extra 1P tent I could borrow? On 8/1/13, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: Gonna be tight. It all depends how much time our school admin wants to take requiring us to learn things in a mandatory meeting day. I may not make it down in time. So if you're counting heads, I have to say no. However, I'm gonna crash it if things work out. -Jim W. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 1, 2013, at 9:37 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Meet point is in Irvine, close to I-5 Culver Dr, and the Tustin Metrolink station. From here it is nominally 30 miles to San Mateo so a mid-afternoon start gives plenty of time. So far looks like 4-5-6 (???). dougP On Thursday, August 1, 2013 8:33:24 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote: Mitch, It was good to meet you and would enjoy your presence on this S240. Doug has a point, you can ride your bike for evening festivities then (with appropriate lighting) ride the mile or so to the Inn and reconvene for Breakfast. David mentioned a single track called the No Tools trail on the San Clemente Singletrack. It parallels Christianitos Rd though I don't know the distance ect... I know I'll be riding the 30 odd miles to camp so theoretically I could unload the Hilsen then do a short single track ride. As long as I have time to go swimming and of course daylight to cook or ride to town for a meal. I'd like to get a count of those joining for the ride down and meeting at Doug's. Hugh Sunland, Ca On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 7:56 PM, dougP doug...@cox.net wrote: Mitch: Just get on down here we'll make it happen. My interpretation of the S24O spirit is just to get out for an overnight break the routine. Camping gear is easy to borrow. Lodging is fine if it gets you away but you miss all the campfire fun. But, wait, yes, you have lights! You can hang out, cruise back to town (a whopping mile away) we'll see you for breakfast. dougP On Thursday, August 1, 2013 7:08:38 PM UTC-7, Mitch Browne wrote: Hugh, I don't have any camping gear but Tom's suggestion re: San Clemente Inn sounds interesting given it's only a mile away. Although I went through training at Camp Pendleton longer-ago-Than-I-care-to-remember I don't know this area at all. Would this violate the S240 spirit? I did enjoy the brief visit up here last week with you, Evan, and omnipresent DougP. I'd have to see how this shakes out with the beginning of school. Mitch Browne San Luis Obispo, CA On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote: SoCal Rivesters, I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground near San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug P's home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could either meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or ride the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the site, a few options to choose from. Suggestions are welcome. Once there we can jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a good date before the Labor Day weekend. Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this moment so I need a count quick before I reserve it. Thanks for looking, ~Hugh -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/4mHdM9P2lK0/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message
Re: [RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide, was Jamboree
we all like to have a good time and be safe, but you chose your Roadeo over your Atlantis on the Sierra to the Sea ride because it was more appropriate for that ride. Call it what you want.. to me that was to improve your riding efficiency. it's about picking the right bike/tires/gear for a particular ride. You wouldn't pick your Roadeo to do the Great Divide as you would spend a lot of time pushing to be safe and probably not have a good time. ~mike On Thursday, August 1, 2013 10:06:31 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote: When I'm touring, I don't place a high value on improving efficiency. Actually, I don't place a high value on improving efficiency in any of my riding: I want to be comfortable and safe and have a good time. I like to beat people up to the top of the hill, but I like a lot of other things about riding too. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Perspective
Yes, way to take one for the team! BTW, I am very impressed w/ the 24 Hotrock bikes. We have three! On 8/1/13, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Don't we always take better care of our kids than ourselves? Your sacrifice is admirable :-). dougP On Thursday, August 1, 2013 8:07:38 AM UTC-7, LeahFoy wrote: I promised my little boys a bike ride in the cooler hours of a hot Nevada day. My 7 yr old is SO proud of his new Specialized Hotrock in 24 in. wheels. It's candy apple red and has been outfitted with a bell and kickstand. Come fall, I will put on a rack. My 4 yr old (rides two wheels) is equally delighted with his Specialized Hotrock in 16 in. (he has bell and kickstand too, which he brags about to strangers).The older exclaimed, I have the best bike EVER! as he shot out of the driveway. The younger, hot on his heels, yelled, And my Hotrock is the best bike ever TOOO! They turned back and said, Mom, it's so sad that you don't have a Hotrock, too. I said, Yes, boys, Mommy just has to suffer with this Rivendell. You enjoy your Hotrocks. Poor Mommy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.
Great, thanks! On 8/1/13, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote: David, Let me see I have a spare tent you can use. I have a 1 person about 3 lbs 2 person with a trail weight( Fly, poles footprint) of 4 lbs works well. Let me decide which I'm bringing and you can use the other. Cool? Hugh Sunland, Ca On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 10:44 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote: I'm hoping to make it, should be a lot of fun. The singletrack I mentioned and encourage you all to ride is very doable with Riv-ish bikes. It starts pretty close to the San Mateo Campground's entrance. Knobbies are not needed. Does anyone have an extra 1P tent I could borrow? On 8/1/13, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: Gonna be tight. It all depends how much time our school admin wants to take requiring us to learn things in a mandatory meeting day. I may not make it down in time. So if you're counting heads, I have to say no. However, I'm gonna crash it if things work out. -Jim W. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 1, 2013, at 9:37 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Meet point is in Irvine, close to I-5 Culver Dr, and the Tustin Metrolink station. From here it is nominally 30 miles to San Mateo so a mid-afternoon start gives plenty of time. So far looks like 4-5-6 (???). dougP On Thursday, August 1, 2013 8:33:24 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote: Mitch, It was good to meet you and would enjoy your presence on this S240. Doug has a point, you can ride your bike for evening festivities then (with appropriate lighting) ride the mile or so to the Inn and reconvene for Breakfast. David mentioned a single track called the No Tools trail on the San Clemente Singletrack. It parallels Christianitos Rd though I don't know the distance ect... I know I'll be riding the 30 odd miles to camp so theoretically I could unload the Hilsen then do a short single track ride. As long as I have time to go swimming and of course daylight to cook or ride to town for a meal. I'd like to get a count of those joining for the ride down and meeting at Doug's. Hugh Sunland, Ca On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 7:56 PM, dougP doug...@cox.net wrote: Mitch: Just get on down here we'll make it happen. My interpretation of the S24O spirit is just to get out for an overnight break the routine. Camping gear is easy to borrow. Lodging is fine if it gets you away but you miss all the campfire fun. But, wait, yes, you have lights! You can hang out, cruise back to town (a whopping mile away) we'll see you for breakfast. dougP On Thursday, August 1, 2013 7:08:38 PM UTC-7, Mitch Browne wrote: Hugh, I don't have any camping gear but Tom's suggestion re: San Clemente Inn sounds interesting given it's only a mile away. Although I went through training at Camp Pendleton longer-ago-Than-I-care-to-remember I don't know this area at all. Would this violate the S240 spirit? I did enjoy the brief visit up here last week with you, Evan, and omnipresent DougP. I'd have to see how this shakes out with the beginning of school. Mitch Browne San Luis Obispo, CA On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote: SoCal Rivesters, I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground near San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug P's home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could either meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or ride the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the site, a few options to choose from. Suggestions are welcome. Once there we can jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a good date before the Labor Day weekend. Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this moment so I need a count quick before I reserve it. Thanks for looking, ~Hugh -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/4mHdM9P2lK0/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
Re: [RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide, was Jamboree
Patrick, of course it will improve your climbing speed to take a few pounds off your wheels. The fatter tires might be a little more fun going down though. You have to pick the right tire for the whole route. The Furious Fred's are super light... 360gms for a 29er tire!. Kinda like Challenge Paris-Roubaix's. Unless your paycheck was dependent on winning, I'd go with something a little heavier and more durable. The Racing Ralphs are a great tire and a little more durable still with supple sidewalls. On Thursday, August 1, 2013 10:16:59 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: Mike: an aside: after grunting my 35 lb Fargo with hugely heavy (800 gr rims and tires) up 17 miles of gravel climb last week, I have decided to equip the much lighter Rhyno Lite wheelset with sub 600 gram knobbies and save the other set for local sand. From your experience, will taking, say, a pound off the circumference of each wheel (rims and tires and tubes) make a noticeable difference in climbing effort? I know that my brother, with remarkably light 26 wheels on hisery light v ti rigid 26er (quite possibly they were lighter than the road wheels for the same bike, with Performance 35s and less exalted rims) just left me standing on the climb, and I'd like to know that it wasn't simply climbing ability. I am very, very tempted by those 450 gram Schwalbes -- Furious Freds? -- that someone remarked available from a British supplier for about $100 shipped, but I am waiting to hear from someone about a trade for something possibly suitable, if not as light. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Mike Schiller mikey...@rocketmail.comjavascript: wrote: There are a lot of long dirt road sections, so improving efficiency is more about completing your planned route than overall speed. While I'm not suggesting adopting a racing focus, optimizing your bike and gear to increase how much fun you have along the way. But... we all have different skill levels. I raced mountain bikes for many years so that drives my opinions. Then again I'm seriously thinking about getting the new Surly ECR. A backpacking/touring rig using 29 x 3.0 tires. ~mike On Thursday, August 1, 2013 8:31:03 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote: Wait... am I on the Riv list? Am I seeing an appeal to what racers use? Am I seeing claims that a certain tire would slow me down? I'll tell you what would slow me down. Crashing and breaking a bone out in the middle of nowhere, that's what. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Mike Schiller mikey...@rocketmail.com wrote: Hey Doug, most of the guys/gals who race it ( GD race) use fairly skinny knobbies for MTB's The most common tires WTB's Nano raptor and the Conti Race Kings only measure about 50mm wide. Sure a big fat knobby would help but it does slow you down a bit, even for unracers. ~mike On Thursday, August 1, 2013 5:14:09 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote: Quick afterthought: Jim's Hunqapillar is shod with 55 mm Big Bens looks to have some clearance. Maybe a Hunq w/ginormous knobbies? dougP On Thursday, August 1, 2013 5:10:59 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote: Isn't it called the Great Divide route because it closely follows the continental divide? As in, wayy up in the mountains? While I love my Atlantis, and have taken it some places it really wasn't meant to go, it seems this is a ride for which a purpose built MTB is more appropriate. I concur with Anne's comment about liking under-biking, but not that far under. Memories of gazing down the Abyss of Death on the Loch Leven ride are still fresh in mind. dougP On Thursday, August 1, 2013 1:29:21 PM UTC-7, Matt Beebe wrote: I have ridden the northern part of the divide, using 40mm tires fully loaded on a regular touring bike, and I would definitely not hesitate to do it on an Atlantis.Parts of it were gnarly, but they were not that long and were actually kind of fun.I found that those washboard roads go from nightmare to completely doable if you drop your tire pressure to juuust the right amount. It was really surprising what a difference it makes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@**googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.**com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/rbw-owners-bunchhttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_outhttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To
Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Choice
Leah, I'm glad those negative experiences didn't turn you off of cycling completely! Then you would have never found your Betty!!! My wife had an unfortunately similar experience picking up parts at a LBS. She stood around for 15 min waiting to get helped while all the bros yacked it up. We don't give that shop our money any more. On 8/1/13, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote: In both instances those employees were just plain rude. That behavior is inexcusable. Good on you for walking away voting with your wallet elsewhere. How many people want to start riding but need help selecting an affordable, appropriate bike to get started, encounter this sort of attitude, and decide biking seems pretty snobbish; I'll look into something else? dougP On Thursday, August 1, 2013 11:07:36 AM UTC-7, LeahFoy wrote: Also, there is a certain attitude one often encounters in some shops. My sister and her husband lived downtown in a big city when her husband was going through law school. He used a bicycle to get around, and one day, it needed some repair work. Heather took the bike in to the shop, and will never forget being made to feel so small. The employee looked down his nose at that silver Target Schwinn, and said, We can fix it, but you know there's only so much you can do to a bike like that. It won't ever ride as well as. and then droned on about the nicer bikes for sale in his shop. She was so upset because at that time, that was the best they could afford, and they weren't there to be told how crappy their bike was; they were there for a simple repair. When my boys were ready for upgrades on their little bikes, I started out back at the Trek store. (I asked Riv if they had a kids' bike to recommend, and they really didn't.) I wheeled the little 16 in Trek Jet to the counter and waited. There was one other customer in the whole store and 3-4 employees working. I stood at that counter for almost 20 minutes. They joked with each other, and paid attention to the lycra-clad male customer in the store, but they ignored me, my 4 year old Lincoln and our little bike. I could have called someone over, but since I was standing in plain sight and knew they had seen me, I didn't. Finally, I slowly wheeled the little bike back and left the store. No one said a word to me. I drove straight to the Specialized store, where they greeted us warmly, and purchased the Lincoln's Hotrock for more money. On Thursday, August 1, 2013 10:39:08 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote: comfortable, useful, efficient, fast - I'm sorry, you'll have to pick one - we don't have a pigeonhole for that. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree
I was thinking that way, too, Anne. I actually started out an exercise querying round-trip airline fares for various destinations from a variety of cities (SF, NYC, DC, Seattle, Portland, LA, San Diego, etc.). I thought I'd try Denver as a destination first. So far, it looks like Chicago O'Hare would be the cheapest average round-trip flight from most of the points of origin I checked. Lee On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote: IF we are looking for geographical centers-- and I don't know that we are-- we should look for the geographical center of the rider's home towns, not the geographical center of the US. I suspect the geographical center of riders would be something like Denver. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Marc Irwin irwin7...@gmail.com wrote: I was going to chime in on that also. If it is to be a national get together, picking a place in one distant corner will rule out a lot of people just because of the travel. It will be a regional get together as a result. As I mentioned earlier the geographical center of the country is in northern Kansas almost equidistant from Kansas City, Omaha and Denver. I'm not familiar with Omaha but Kansas City and Denver both have a lot going for them and a lot of very interesting riding to be chosen. Marc On Thursday, August 1, 2013 6:40:54 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote: If this is to be a national get together, can we have it in the exact geometrical center of the country? Just kidding about that, but somewhere more or less accessible to the majority of participants would be nice to consider. Colorado? Of course, if most of the interested parties are in the PNW, then that would over-weigh a national distribution. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Andy Smitty Schmidt 54c...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder if we could find some sort of BB type place that would have rooms for those who want to sleep indoors and a lawn for those who want to throw a sleeping bag on the ground. The Coastal Mountain Sport Haus is in the coast range west of Portland, so not really near Bellingham. But if there's interest I'd be happy to call and at least find out if they could/would accommodate something like this. My vote regarding date would be earlier the better... to maximize the cool and green. Although by mid-July the berries are ripe. --Smitty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patric...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Tires for wet roads
Would it be possible to measure the actual width of the Conti's? I have two bicycles that can take 35mm +/- a mm or so with fenders and with a bit of fettling probably a tad more, so tire threads are excellent information for me. I've read the Vittoria Randonneur Hyper tire is also well regarded and comes in sizes of 700 x 32/35/38. Would love to know actual widths of tires as some manufacturers seem to be flexible in their measurements. Currently I'm running Kojaks 700 x 35 that measure 700 x 33 give or take 0.5mm according to my digital caliper. I've used Marathons in 700 x 35mm and 40mm (fender-less on the 40mm), but suspect they were narrower than stated on the sidewall. They seemed to me to be excellent tires for loaded touring and general rough abuse and roll well enough. Good puncture protection until they wear out, which takes a long while. Ian A Edmonton, AB Canada. On Thursday, August 1, 2013 7:21:11 PM UTC-6, Rod Holland wrote: I can give good reports on Continental Contacts 700c x 37mm tires for wet weather, urban commuting. Good tread, grippy rubber, very flat resistant over 8000 miles ridden. Roll somewhat sedately. On the other hand, Grand Bois Cypres Extra Leger 700 x 32mm also do nicely in wet weather, roll like a dream, grip well, and are comfy. The have no armor againt flats whatsoever, but I haven't personally found this a problem thus far, after 700 miles. Of the two, the Contis are the more conventional choice for urban commuting. rod -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Choice
Similar story. Got into bikes about 5 years ago as an adult in my 50s, potbelly and bad knees and all. Bought a Trek 1.2 from the lbs. Loved it and loved riding, but sure got tired and sore after a 40 or 50 mile ride. Started looking for the carbon bike that everyone said I needed. Then wife bought me GP's book for christmas. Wow. I can carry things in bags? Things like sandwiches! Platform pedals? Comfort? Ordered my Homer about 6 months later. Amazing bike. I now ride 50-100 miles at a time in comfort!! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree
Chicago is the cheapest to fly to or from, but Denver ain't bad, and also has Amtrak service from the midwest and Bay Area. Denver has by far the most dramatic scenery and perhaps Rocky Mountain National Park for a base camp? Marc On Friday, August 2, 2013 2:38:40 AM UTC-4, Lee Chae wrote: I was thinking that way, too, Anne. I actually started out an exercise querying round-trip airline fares for various destinations from a variety of cities (SF, NYC, DC, Seattle, Portland, LA, San Diego, etc.). I thought I'd try Denver as a destination first. So far, it looks like Chicago O'Hare would be the cheapest average round-trip flight from most of the points of origin I checked. Lee On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Anne Paulson anne.p...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: IF we are looking for geographical centers-- and I don't know that we are-- we should look for the geographical center of the rider's home towns, not the geographical center of the US. I suspect the geographical center of riders would be something like Denver. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Marc Irwin irwi...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: I was going to chime in on that also. If it is to be a national get together, picking a place in one distant corner will rule out a lot of people just because of the travel. It will be a regional get together as a result. As I mentioned earlier the geographical center of the country is in northern Kansas almost equidistant from Kansas City, Omaha and Denver. I'm not familiar with Omaha but Kansas City and Denver both have a lot going for them and a lot of very interesting riding to be chosen. Marc On Thursday, August 1, 2013 6:40:54 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote: If this is to be a national get together, can we have it in the exact geometrical center of the country? Just kidding about that, but somewhere more or less accessible to the majority of participants would be nice to consider. Colorado? Of course, if most of the interested parties are in the PNW, then that would over-weigh a national distribution. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Andy Smitty Schmidt 54c...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder if we could find some sort of BB type place that would have rooms for those who want to sleep indoors and a lawn for those who want to throw a sleeping bag on the ground. The Coastal Mountain Sport Haus is in the coast range west of Portland, so not really near Bellingham. But if there's interest I'd be happy to call and at least find out if they could/would accommodate something like this. My vote regarding date would be earlier the better... to maximize the cool and green. Although by mid-July the berries are ripe. --Smitty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patric...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree
I think we are on the right track here...central means easy for most people to get, which probably wont be either geographic center or population center. Kansas, Indiana, Missouri and N, Dakota do not qualify as easy to get to, except maybe St Louis. If we're doing this in July it would be nice to have some routes with trees. Michael On Friday, August 2, 2013 7:32:27 AM UTC-4, Marc Irwin wrote: Chicago is the cheapest to fly to or from, but Denver ain't bad, and also has Amtrak service from the midwest and Bay Area. Denver has by far the most dramatic scenery and perhaps Rocky Mountain National Park for a base camp? Marc On Friday, August 2, 2013 2:38:40 AM UTC-4, Lee Chae wrote: I was thinking that way, too, Anne. I actually started out an exercise querying round-trip airline fares for various destinations from a variety of cities (SF, NYC, DC, Seattle, Portland, LA, San Diego, etc.). I thought I'd try Denver as a destination first. So far, it looks like Chicago O'Hare would be the cheapest average round-trip flight from most of the points of origin I checked. Lee On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Anne Paulson anne.p...@gmail.com wrote: IF we are looking for geographical centers-- and I don't know that we are-- we should look for the geographical center of the rider's home towns, not the geographical center of the US. I suspect the geographical center of riders would be something like Denver. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Marc Irwin irwi...@gmail.com wrote: I was going to chime in on that also. If it is to be a national get together, picking a place in one distant corner will rule out a lot of people just because of the travel. It will be a regional get together as a result. As I mentioned earlier the geographical center of the country is in northern Kansas almost equidistant from Kansas City, Omaha and Denver. I'm not familiar with Omaha but Kansas City and Denver both have a lot going for them and a lot of very interesting riding to be chosen. Marc On Thursday, August 1, 2013 6:40:54 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote: If this is to be a national get together, can we have it in the exact geometrical center of the country? Just kidding about that, but somewhere more or less accessible to the majority of participants would be nice to consider. Colorado? Of course, if most of the interested parties are in the PNW, then that would over-weigh a national distribution. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Andy Smitty Schmidt 54c...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder if we could find some sort of BB type place that would have rooms for those who want to sleep indoors and a lawn for those who want to throw a sleeping bag on the ground. The Coastal Mountain Sport Haus is in the coast range west of Portland, so not really near Bellingham. But if there's interest I'd be happy to call and at least find out if they could/would accommodate something like this. My vote regarding date would be earlier the better... to maximize the cool and green. Although by mid-July the berries are ripe. --Smitty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patric...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send
Re: [RBW] Tires for wet roads
I have a bike I ride 28mm Paselas and they stick great in the wet, including thick film in a heavy rain. We usually don't get fast enough on bicycles for hydroplaning to be a concern. So most slicks will do the job just fine. As you get into larger tires, though, you have more tolerance for sand and mud, which puts skinny tires down. On Thursday, August 1, 2013 5:51:14 PM UTC-5, Christopher Chen wrote: I would ride the biggest Schwalbe Marathon's you can. I currently run 700C x 38, but I think your C-dale will probably only take up to 28s? In either case, I've done some accidental test runs, and they're pretty good (as long as you stay on the tread--the sidewalls don't corner too well on wet cobblestones :) On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Peter peterd...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: Hi everyone. Please tell me what tire and width of tire you'd recommend for a novice commuter riding on wet (rainy) and poor city streets. I find that I don't feel very safe on wet streets and thus suffer a loss of confidence unless I ride quite slowly--obviously I want to keep riding and improve my skills. At the moment I'm gearing up to buy a new bike from Rivendell, but haven't yet decided on the model. My current bike is a Cannondale touring bike. Many thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto Soba Handlebars
I read a reference that Sobas only came in 46cm. http://www.flickr.com/photos/rperks1/4858141165/ This photo shows they're wider in the drops. On Tuesday, June 25, 2013 2:06:16 PM UTC-5, William wrote: I have an extra set of 46 Sobas. I might be able to part with them, but they are quite wide. Let me know if you want to talk about them -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree
I hope this idea materializes. I'm jealous of all the meet-ups that I've been missing. With some advance planning, I might be able to finally join in. I'd be driving from north Texas, so the Denver (central US) suggestion has feasibility appeal for me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree
Marc, I think Denver/Boulder is the best location put out. But as others have mentioned, it needs a critical mass of locals that want to do the leg-work to get it going. Majority of the conversation seems to be coming from Bay Area and PNW in that regard. On 8/2/13, Marc Irwin irwin7...@gmail.com wrote: Chicago is the cheapest to fly to or from, but Denver ain't bad, and also has Amtrak service from the midwest and Bay Area. Denver has by far the most dramatic scenery and perhaps Rocky Mountain National Park for a base camp? Marc On Friday, August 2, 2013 2:38:40 AM UTC-4, Lee Chae wrote: I was thinking that way, too, Anne. I actually started out an exercise querying round-trip airline fares for various destinations from a variety of cities (SF, NYC, DC, Seattle, Portland, LA, San Diego, etc.). I thought I'd try Denver as a destination first. So far, it looks like Chicago O'Hare would be the cheapest average round-trip flight from most of the points of origin I checked. Lee On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Anne Paulson anne.p...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: IF we are looking for geographical centers-- and I don't know that we are-- we should look for the geographical center of the rider's home towns, not the geographical center of the US. I suspect the geographical center of riders would be something like Denver. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Marc Irwin irwi...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: I was going to chime in on that also. If it is to be a national get together, picking a place in one distant corner will rule out a lot of people just because of the travel. It will be a regional get together as a result. As I mentioned earlier the geographical center of the country is in northern Kansas almost equidistant from Kansas City, Omaha and Denver. I'm not familiar with Omaha but Kansas City and Denver both have a lot going for them and a lot of very interesting riding to be chosen. Marc On Thursday, August 1, 2013 6:40:54 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote: If this is to be a national get together, can we have it in the exact geometrical center of the country? Just kidding about that, but somewhere more or less accessible to the majority of participants would be nice to consider. Colorado? Of course, if most of the interested parties are in the PNW, then that would over-weigh a national distribution. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Andy Smitty Schmidt 54c...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder if we could find some sort of BB type place that would have rooms for those who want to sleep indoors and a lawn for those who want to throw a sleeping bag on the ground. The Coastal Mountain Sport Haus is in the coast range west of Portland, so not really near Bellingham. But if there's interest I'd be happy to call and at least find out if they could/would accommodate something like this. My vote regarding date would be earlier the better... to maximize the cool and green. Although by mid-July the berries are ripe. --Smitty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patric...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to
Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree
Another issue nobody wants to bring up is money. Being a financial advisor, I know nobody likes to talk about it so I will once. Making the possible accommodation and travel expenses as cheap as possible for a bottom line will include more people without having to discuss it. In other words, spend more if you want but... It's kinda like weight, you just don't discuss it in public. That being said, most state and national campgrounds provide group sites for around #2-5 per person per night with few restrictions on the number of people in the site. Marc On Friday, August 2, 2013 10:13:17 AM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Marc, I think Denver/Boulder is the best location put out. But as others have mentioned, it needs a critical mass of locals that want to do the leg-work to get it going. Majority of the conversation seems to be coming from Bay Area and PNW in that regard. On 8/2/13, Marc Irwin irwi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Chicago is the cheapest to fly to or from, but Denver ain't bad, and also has Amtrak service from the midwest and Bay Area. Denver has by far the most dramatic scenery and perhaps Rocky Mountain National Park for a base camp? Marc On Friday, August 2, 2013 2:38:40 AM UTC-4, Lee Chae wrote: I was thinking that way, too, Anne. I actually started out an exercise querying round-trip airline fares for various destinations from a variety of cities (SF, NYC, DC, Seattle, Portland, LA, San Diego, etc.). I thought I'd try Denver as a destination first. So far, it looks like Chicago O'Hare would be the cheapest average round-trip flight from most of the points of origin I checked. Lee On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Anne Paulson anne.p...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: IF we are looking for geographical centers-- and I don't know that we are-- we should look for the geographical center of the rider's home towns, not the geographical center of the US. I suspect the geographical center of riders would be something like Denver. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Marc Irwin irwi...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: I was going to chime in on that also. If it is to be a national get together, picking a place in one distant corner will rule out a lot of people just because of the travel. It will be a regional get together as a result. As I mentioned earlier the geographical center of the country is in northern Kansas almost equidistant from Kansas City, Omaha and Denver. I'm not familiar with Omaha but Kansas City and Denver both have a lot going for them and a lot of very interesting riding to be chosen. Marc On Thursday, August 1, 2013 6:40:54 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote: If this is to be a national get together, can we have it in the exact geometrical center of the country? Just kidding about that, but somewhere more or less accessible to the majority of participants would be nice to consider. Colorado? Of course, if most of the interested parties are in the PNW, then that would over-weigh a national distribution. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Andy Smitty Schmidt 54c...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder if we could find some sort of BB type place that would have rooms for those who want to sleep indoors and a lawn for those who want to throw a sleeping bag on the ground. The Coastal Mountain Sport Haus is in the coast range west of Portland, so not really near Bellingham. But if there's interest I'd be happy to call and at least find out if they could/would accommodate something like this. My vote regarding date would be earlier the better... to maximize the cool and green. Although by mid-July the berries are ripe. --Smitty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patric...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript:
Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Choice
How true! I had caught the bike bug pretty bad, so I persevered. ;). I'm so glad I found Betty; I love even just looking at her. I smile EVERY time I run out to the garage and glance her way. We girls aren't going to be able to be ignored in bike shops much longer - there are tons of women's cycling blogs and women getting into bikes, period. I think we'll be seeing more ladies who know what they are in the market for, and will be in stores to buy it. The LBS that ignores them will watch his competitor grow. Especially exciting to me is the rise of the urban female commuter. The trend is to use your bike and look darling doing it. I can get on board with that! I hope you and your wife found an LBS that works great for you. Ride on! Sent from my iPhone On Aug 1, 2013, at 11:38 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Leah, I'm glad those negative experiences didn't turn you off of cycling completely! Then you would have never found your Betty!!! My wife had an unfortunately similar experience picking up parts at a LBS. She stood around for 15 min waiting to get helped while all the bros yacked it up. We don't give that shop our money any more. On 8/1/13, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote: In both instances those employees were just plain rude. That behavior is inexcusable. Good on you for walking away voting with your wallet elsewhere. How many people want to start riding but need help selecting an affordable, appropriate bike to get started, encounter this sort of attitude, and decide biking seems pretty snobbish; I'll look into something else? dougP On Thursday, August 1, 2013 11:07:36 AM UTC-7, LeahFoy wrote: Also, there is a certain attitude one often encounters in some shops. My sister and her husband lived downtown in a big city when her husband was going through law school. He used a bicycle to get around, and one day, it needed some repair work. Heather took the bike in to the shop, and will never forget being made to feel so small. The employee looked down his nose at that silver Target Schwinn, and said, We can fix it, but you know there's only so much you can do to a bike like that. It won't ever ride as well as. and then droned on about the nicer bikes for sale in his shop. She was so upset because at that time, that was the best they could afford, and they weren't there to be told how crappy their bike was; they were there for a simple repair. When my boys were ready for upgrades on their little bikes, I started out back at the Trek store. (I asked Riv if they had a kids' bike to recommend, and they really didn't.) I wheeled the little 16 in Trek Jet to the counter and waited. There was one other customer in the whole store and 3-4 employees working. I stood at that counter for almost 20 minutes. They joked with each other, and paid attention to the lycra-clad male customer in the store, but they ignored me, my 4 year old Lincoln and our little bike. I could have called someone over, but since I was standing in plain sight and knew they had seen me, I didn't. Finally, I slowly wheeled the little bike back and left the store. No one said a word to me. I drove straight to the Specialized store, where they greeted us warmly, and purchased the Lincoln's Hotrock for more money. On Thursday, August 1, 2013 10:39:08 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote: comfortable, useful, efficient, fast - I'm sorry, you'll have to pick one - we don't have a pigeonhole for that. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/11QLhmP5tbU/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For
[RBW] Re: Stan's to Paris-Roubaixs on Ram
Patrick, finally had to add more Stans, and after only 6 weeks. I was keeping the bike in the garage and I think it dried out in the heat. So I moved it back indoors to the room I keep closed from the cat. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Stan's to Paris-Roubaixs on Ram
Thanks for the update info. That's odd; I put in Stan's almost two months ago and no punctures; perhaps it has dried up and I've just been lucky? At any rate, I've got my calendar tickled to check it in a month or so. How did you discover that it had dried? Flats? Or no spray from the valve? I keep the Ram in a hot garage, too, though for the last month it has been a lot cooler and more humid because of our rains. On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, finally had to add more Stans, and after only 6 weeks. I was keeping the bike in the garage and I think it dried out in the heat. So I moved it back indoors to the room I keep closed from the cat. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree
I think it all depends on the location. Riv Rally East 2011 was a hub and spoke setup because Wellsboro PA had great rides leading out of town. RRE 2012 (on the Great Allegheny Passage) was point to point because it seemed more appropriate. Both can be awesome, although for a large group like this I definitely would recommend a hub and spoke (with options for different types of rides)... Hopefully we can find the right location that gives us such options. BB On Thursday, August 1, 2013 9:24:00 PM UTC-4, Jim M. wrote: It sounds like some folks conceive of this outing as a point-to-point tour, while others think of it as setting up a base camp from which to do rides. That may be something else the group needs to decide. I'm good with either, though the logistics of lodging would be easier for the base camp option. jim m wc ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree
Hub and spoke certainly seems like the preferred design for a larger gathering of this type. Denver area would be great, but I'm not there so wouldn't be much help for organizing. I will be among the camping contingent. I hope this happens. --Smitty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree
If we want to talk about money, campground fees will be dwarfed by airfare plus bike shipping, for those who have to fly. If I'm flying to Kansas, no cheap campground fees will make up for the expensive airfare to get myself and my bike to Kansas. If money is the issue, we should have the Rally on the west coast of the US, because the majority of Riv riders are on the west coast of the US judging by posts on this list. On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 7:45 AM, Marc Irwin irwin7...@gmail.com wrote: Another issue nobody wants to bring up is money. Being a financial advisor, I know nobody likes to talk about it so I will once. Making the possible accommodation and travel expenses as cheap as possible for a bottom line will include more people without having to discuss it. In other words, spend more if you want but... It's kinda like weight, you just don't discuss it in public. That being said, most state and national campgrounds provide group sites for around #2-5 per person per night with few restrictions on the number of people in the site. Marc On Friday, August 2, 2013 10:13:17 AM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Marc, I think Denver/Boulder is the best location put out. But as others have mentioned, it needs a critical mass of locals that want to do the leg-work to get it going. Majority of the conversation seems to be coming from Bay Area and PNW in that regard. On 8/2/13, Marc Irwin irwi...@gmail.com wrote: Chicago is the cheapest to fly to or from, but Denver ain't bad, and also has Amtrak service from the midwest and Bay Area. Denver has by far the most dramatic scenery and perhaps Rocky Mountain National Park for a base camp? Marc On Friday, August 2, 2013 2:38:40 AM UTC-4, Lee Chae wrote: I was thinking that way, too, Anne. I actually started out an exercise querying round-trip airline fares for various destinations from a variety of cities (SF, NYC, DC, Seattle, Portland, LA, San Diego, etc.). I thought I'd try Denver as a destination first. So far, it looks like Chicago O'Hare would be the cheapest average round-trip flight from most of the points of origin I checked. Lee On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Anne Paulson anne.p...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: IF we are looking for geographical centers-- and I don't know that we are-- we should look for the geographical center of the rider's home towns, not the geographical center of the US. I suspect the geographical center of riders would be something like Denver. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Marc Irwin irwi...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: I was going to chime in on that also. If it is to be a national get together, picking a place in one distant corner will rule out a lot of people just because of the travel. It will be a regional get together as a result. As I mentioned earlier the geographical center of the country is in northern Kansas almost equidistant from Kansas City, Omaha and Denver. I'm not familiar with Omaha but Kansas City and Denver both have a lot going for them and a lot of very interesting riding to be chosen. Marc On Thursday, August 1, 2013 6:40:54 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote: If this is to be a national get together, can we have it in the exact geometrical center of the country? Just kidding about that, but somewhere more or less accessible to the majority of participants would be nice to consider. Colorado? Of course, if most of the interested parties are in the PNW, then that would over-weigh a national distribution. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Andy Smitty Schmidt 54c...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder if we could find some sort of BB type place that would have rooms for those who want to sleep indoors and a lawn for those who want to throw a sleeping bag on the ground. The Coastal Mountain Sport Haus is in the coast range west of Portland, so not really near Bellingham. But if there's interest I'd be happy to call and at least find out if they could/would accommodate something like this. My vote regarding date would be earlier the better... to maximize the cool and green. Although by mid-July the berries are ripe. --Smitty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patric...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/
Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Choice
The key to getting bikes accepted as a normal mode of transportation is getting women to ride. As long as bike commuting is something done predominantly by young men, it is seen as something for crazy daredevils, not something standard and usual. But when young women start riding to work in normal work clothes, and when young mothers start hauling their kids around on bikes as a matter of course, then cycling becomes the way some people get around, a way that we all have to allow for when doing urban and suburban transportation planning. So go chicas! Especially exciting to me is the rise of the urban female commuter. The trend is to use your bike and look darling doing it. I can get on board with that! -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Cyclists' legal rights, from a cop magazine: very much worth reading.
Interesting article, Patrick. Thanks for posting it! Cheers! lyle On 1 August 2013 18:52, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote: http://lawandordermag.epubxp.**com/i/144260/54http://lawandordermag.epubxp.com/i/144260/54 Very much worth reading, and thanks to the boblister who posted it on that list. I think it worth posting on this one. I, an urban commuter since roughly 1967, learned new things. Note that, with a bit of effort, you *can* save it as a PDF. -- http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Choice
my nephew and his wife are in Kazakhstan, and she does everything on a bike with two small kids On Friday, August 2, 2013 10:33:26 AM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote: The key to getting bikes accepted as a normal mode of transportation is getting women to ride. As long as bike commuting is something done predominantly by young men, it is seen as something for crazy daredevils, not something standard and usual. But when young women start riding to work in normal work clothes, and when young mothers start hauling their kids around on bikes as a matter of course, then cycling becomes the way some people get around, a way that we all have to allow for when doing urban and suburban transportation planning. So go chicas! Especially exciting to me is the rise of the urban female commuter. The trend is to use your bike and look darling doing it. I can get on board with that! -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Choice
On Friday, August 2, 2013 11:33:26 AM UTC-4, Anne Paulson wrote: The key to getting bikes accepted as a normal mode of transportation is getting women to ride. As long as bike commuting is something done predominantly by young men, it is seen as something for crazy daredevils, not something standard and usual. But when young women start riding to work in normal work clothes, and when young mothers start hauling their kids around on bikes as a matter of course, then cycling becomes the way some people get around, a way that we all have to allow for when doing urban and suburban transportation planning. 100% agree with this. In my area more and more women are riding bikes, and that is the key. You also see a lot more men wearing regular clothes out on the road.I feel like thanking people sometimes because it is so heartening to see. Anyway it is a good sign. So go chicas! Especially exciting to me is the rise of the urban female commuter. The trend is to use your bike and look darling doing it. I can get on board with that! -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Cyclists' legal rights, from a cop magazine: very much worth reading.
Reading this article reminds me of an incident from 1994. Back when I was a member of the Gopher Wheelmen racing team I was on our usual Tuesday or Thursday training ride. We were riding north on Victoria in Roseville where the Roseville Estates home is now located; we were on a ~10 foot wide shoulder and I happened to be the last rider in the line. Everyone was well off from the traffic lane with at least six feet of clearance from passing vehicles. A car going the same way as us was stopped to turn left into a parking lot at the Lake Ridge nursing home; another driver passed us and rear-ended the stopped car right in front of us. As witnesses we stayed to check out the vehicle occupants and waited for the police to arrive. When the officer arrived, the driver of the striking car began yelling and blaming us for the accident because we we all over the road and distracted her. The officer, a heavy set middle aged guy who seemed unlikely to ride a bike himself, stopped her and said they can have the whole lane if they need it. It's your job to pay attention, to control your car and not run into people. He wrote her a citation for careless driving, got our names as witnesses, thanked us and told us to have a good ride. Some cops know the law as it pertains to cyclists, some don't- just like drivers (and bicyclists!). I'm glad to see this article in their professional journal. Tim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Gotham Cargo Crate
Tom--first, thanks for the compliments. My bike is blushing :). Second, regarding your aversion to using a wooden crate due to crashing... Do you mean the crash will be that much worse because pieces of wood would fly everywhere and jab me in a vital organ, but maybe a wald basket would just bend out of shape, at worst? Hmm.. I think I may understand where you are coming from. I already had a handlebar-mounted Wald basket http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumehra/5593701927/in/set-72157626345789636previously, but I promptly removed it because it was just too big for my liking. I would have to go for a smaller (medium) sized basket this time with a Mark's rack, because I prefer a lower position and would like to keep it off the handlebar if at all possible. On Thursday, August 1, 2013 6:48:07 AM UTC+2, Tom Virgil wrote: You ask if this is a terrible idea. Your bike is drop dead gorgeous. I also think the crates are wonderfully crafted. But I think the crates are substantial, wooden things with metal corners (perhaps, not the Autumn, but it is angular). They are quite elegant. I don't want to crash with one of those on my bike. I have my troubles and crashes are a matter of when, not if for me. I don't want such a rigid structure in that scenario. I do think that Wald baskets are great if your goal is carrying stuff. And, they are quite aerodynamic if nothing is in them. Hope this is helpful. Best Regards, Tom On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 2:45:26 PM UTC-7, SMP wrote: Hello Bunch, I am contemplating a few upgrades to my bike, and one of these is the autumn http://www.gothamcargo.com/about-autumn/ front basket/crate by Gotham Cargo http://gothamcargo.com. Here is a photo of my Riv http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumehra/6320659498/in/set-72157626345789636(not very recent). Now imagine silver Gilles Berthoud fenders and cream tires (this is already a part of the upgrade plan). My first question is, given my color scheme, what color crate would you recommend? Click here for color optionshttp://www.gothamcargo.com/customize-it/. I am leaning towards Natural, Graphite, or Silver. If I do Natural, though, I'd like to varnish it somehow to make it match the honey saddle and amber shellacked cork grips. (Silly question - Can I use shellac on wood or only varnish?) My next question is, is there a way to mount this in an easy-on/easy off method on either a big nitto front rack or the smaller mark's rack? Maybe using retractable zip ties or a klickfix solution? I want to have the versatility to have it on most of the time for my inner city use, but from time to time on long rides, have the option to go crate-free. My last question is, is this a terrible idea? Thanks and looking forward to your feedback. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Gotham Cargo Crate
Yes, actually I am less concerned about the price tag and more about the functionality and aesthetics. 90 is not a lot in the grand scheme of things. I mean, it is going on a custom Rivendell frame! Now I am torn between a Wald or Gotham basket... With a rack, the former would actually be more expensive. Decisions, decisions. On Thursday, August 1, 2013 5:16:20 PM UTC+2, Ron Mc wrote: I agree with every sentiment above - they look cool, the hardware is neat, but the $90 needs to be strongly considered. A Wald basket is a better buy, but not near as cool. But then again, a Nitto mini rack and a front bag adds up to a lot more than $90. I could share your dilemma and temptation. Thanks for showing these. On Thursday, August 1, 2013 7:44:15 AM UTC-5, SMP wrote: Oh no, I just posted a long reply with some clever easy on/off mounting options, but the post got deleted. Can anyone find it in their inbox? On Thursday, August 1, 2013 1:26:12 AM UTC+2, joe b. wrote: Sorry, I missed the part about mounting to a front rack and understand wanting to keep the clamps off the bars. That dropout is spectacular. Lip free or die. Good luck! Best, joe broach portland, or On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 3:28 PM, SMP sum...@gmail.com wrote: @Peter - thanks for the tips. I am not so handy, and I live in Zurich, the most expensive city in the world ... so multiply all of those figures by 2.5 and you'll be back at almost 90, shipped ;) @Joe - Thanks for the info. I think I have some Wald basket hardware lying around, but I have been averse to mounting anything on my handlebars as I like to keep it clean. This is also why I was wondering if I should instead put the basket on a rack. Also, not sure if my fork has lawyer lips... doesn't look like ithttp://www.flickr.com/photos/sumehra/5594285268/in/set-72157626345789636/ . On Thursday, August 1, 2013 12:07:28 AM UTC+2, joe b. wrote: SMP, The crates are gorgeous, but the rear attachment with flat stock to the fork crown does not look up to the task. If you go this route, I'd suggest picking up some of the Wald basket hardware that will attach the rear of the crate to your bars for stability. It also looks (like the Wald) like it's designed to mount to the front axle. This is best done with nutted axles, but you should be OK with good steel, internal cam quick release skewers. Just watch that the strut doesn't hang up on the lawyer lips (the little bumps that keep your front wheel from falling out as easily, assuming your fork has them). The whole set up could be made pretty quick to take off--just two bolts (or wingnuts?) at the bars and the front axle. All that would stay on the bike would be the two Wald handlebar clamps. If you get it, feel free to ask the group for help dialing in the install. They're an ingenious bunch! Best, joe broach portland, or On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 2:45 PM, SMP sum...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Bunch, I am contemplating a few upgrades to my bike, and one of these is the autumn http://www.gothamcargo.com/about-autumn/ front basket/crate by Gotham Cargo http://gothamcargo.com. Here is a photo of my Riv http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumehra/6320659498/in/set-72157626345789636(not very recent). Now imagine silver Gilles Berthoud fenders and cream tires (this is already a part of the upgrade plan). My first question is, given my color scheme, what color crate would you recommend? Click here for color optionshttp://www.gothamcargo.com/customize-it/. I am leaning towards Natural, Graphite, or Silver. If I do Natural, though, I'd like to varnish it somehow to make it match the honey saddle and amber shellacked cork grips. (Silly question - Can I use shellac on wood or only varnish?) My next question is, is there a way to mount this in an easy-on/easy off method on either a big nitto front rack or the smaller mark's rack? Maybe using retractable zip ties or a klickfix solution? I want to have the versatility to have it on most of the time for my inner city use, but from time to time on long rides, have the option to go crate-free. My last question is, is this a terrible idea? Thanks and looking forward to your feedback. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@**googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.**com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/rbw-owners-bunchhttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_outhttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop
Re: [RBW] Cyclists' legal rights, from a cop magazine: very much worth reading.
Thanks Steve, I couldn't read the link on the work computer, but the pdf is great. The article is also very good. Educating police officers is good, but this information needs to get to the general public. The lane controlling discussion reminds me of is a big shopping center in town where virtually 100% of the traffic takes the right lane to turn onto the highway, and backs up for two long blocks - very consistent here. When my buddy and I turned left from the shopping center and were going straight under the highway, I took the left lane, all alone, and rode through the light - to the surprise and dismay of the queuing Honda to my right. My buddy, on the other hand, went for the right curb, and met me under the overpass 10 minutes later. Another lane-controlling incident - this was a 5-lane lane road with a 45 mph speed limit. Was following my friends on their tandem and being the big blinking red warning signal. The shoulder disappears on some bridges, so I was intentionally controlling the right lane. A pickup truck played chicken with me for control of the right lane, even though he had zero traffic in the left lane. There's never a cop when you need one. On Friday, August 2, 2013 10:39:59 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 08/02/2013 11:35 AM, Lyle Bogart wrote: Interesting article, Patrick. Thanks for posting it! Cheers! lyle On 1 August 2013 18:52, Patrick Moore bert...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: http://lawandordermag.epubxp.com/i/144260/54 Very much worth reading, and thanks to the boblister who posted it on that list. I think it worth posting on this one. I, an urban commuter since roughly 1967, learned new things. Note that, with a bit of effort, you *can* save it as a PDF. Attached is the article plus the magazine cover, extracted from the complete issue. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Cyclists' legal rights, from a cop magazine: very much worth reading.
Ron, Not only did your friend take ten minutes longer, but he failed on one very important safety rule: Do not place yourself to the right of right-turning cars if you are going straight. Going straight when the cars to the left of you are turning right is a recipe for being right hooked. So many people get this one wrong. In my area, we sometimes have to go through freeway overpasses/underpasses. I see so many cyclists failing to make the merge away from the freeway on-ramp lane, before it turns into the on-ramp lane. Then they are forced to cross the on-ramp at a right angle, passing in front of cars that don't expect traffic to their right. Don't do this. On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Steve, I couldn't read the link on the work computer, but the pdf is great. The article is also very good. Educating police officers is good, but this information needs to get to the general public. The lane controlling discussion reminds me of is a big shopping center in town where virtually 100% of the traffic takes the right lane to turn onto the highway, and backs up for two long blocks - very consistent here. When my buddy and I turned left from the shopping center and were going straight under the highway, I took the left lane, all alone, and rode through the light - to the surprise and dismay of the queuing Honda to my right. My buddy, on the other hand, went for the right curb, and met me under the overpass 10 minutes later. Another lane-controlling incident - this was a 5-lane lane road with a 45 mph speed limit. Was following my friends on their tandem and being the big blinking red warning signal. The shoulder disappears on some bridges, so I was intentionally controlling the right lane. A pickup truck played chicken with me for control of the right lane, even though he had zero traffic in the left lane. There's never a cop when you need one. On Friday, August 2, 2013 10:39:59 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 08/02/2013 11:35 AM, Lyle Bogart wrote: Interesting article, Patrick. Thanks for posting it! Cheers! lyle On 1 August 2013 18:52, Patrick Moore bert...@gmail.com wrote: http://lawandordermag.epubxp.com/i/144260/54 Very much worth reading, and thanks to the boblister who posted it on that list. I think it worth posting on this one. I, an urban commuter since roughly 1967, learned new things. Note that, with a bit of effort, you *can* save it as a PDF. Attached is the article plus the magazine cover, extracted from the complete issue. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree
I live on the west coast and Im gonna shake it up and put a bid in for the Midwest, specifically the Minneapolis area, possibly Northwoods?I bet it would be pretty good up there in the summer except for the skeeters. one bid for the Midwest! -Mike On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 11:38 PM, Lee Chae leec...@stanford.edu wrote: I was thinking that way, too, Anne. I actually started out an exercise querying round-trip airline fares for various destinations from a variety of cities (SF, NYC, DC, Seattle, Portland, LA, San Diego, etc.). I thought I'd try Denver as a destination first. So far, it looks like Chicago O'Hare would be the cheapest average round-trip flight from most of the points of origin I checked. Lee On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.comwrote: IF we are looking for geographical centers-- and I don't know that we are-- we should look for the geographical center of the rider's home towns, not the geographical center of the US. I suspect the geographical center of riders would be something like Denver. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Marc Irwin irwin7...@gmail.com wrote: I was going to chime in on that also. If it is to be a national get together, picking a place in one distant corner will rule out a lot of people just because of the travel. It will be a regional get together as a result. As I mentioned earlier the geographical center of the country is in northern Kansas almost equidistant from Kansas City, Omaha and Denver. I'm not familiar with Omaha but Kansas City and Denver both have a lot going for them and a lot of very interesting riding to be chosen. Marc On Thursday, August 1, 2013 6:40:54 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote: If this is to be a national get together, can we have it in the exact geometrical center of the country? Just kidding about that, but somewhere more or less accessible to the majority of participants would be nice to consider. Colorado? Of course, if most of the interested parties are in the PNW, then that would over-weigh a national distribution. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Andy Smitty Schmidt 54c...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder if we could find some sort of BB type place that would have rooms for those who want to sleep indoors and a lawn for those who want to throw a sleeping bag on the ground. The Coastal Mountain Sport Haus is in the coast range west of Portland, so not really near Bellingham. But if there's interest I'd be happy to call and at least find out if they could/would accommodate something like this. My vote regarding date would be earlier the better... to maximize the cool and green. Although by mid-July the berries are ripe. --Smitty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patric...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email
Re: [RBW] Cyclists' legal rights, from a cop magazine: very much worth reading.
I was really surprised Anne - he has the real commuting experience going back to college days. He taught me to control lanes downtown where bicycles mesh with the auto queue. He just wasn't thinking and took the curb as a defensive, in this case, bad habit. Once he got there, his ethic is to hold in the auto queue and never pass standing traffic on the curb, which is a good ethic. On Friday, August 2, 2013 12:21:35 PM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote: Ron, Not only did your friend take ten minutes longer, but he failed on one very important safety rule: Do not place yourself to the right of right-turning cars if you are going straight. Going straight when the cars to the left of you are turning right is a recipe for being right hooked. So many people get this one wrong. In my area, we sometimes have to go through freeway overpasses/underpasses. I see so many cyclists failing to make the merge away from the freeway on-ramp lane, before it turns into the on-ramp lane. Then they are forced to cross the on-ramp at a right angle, passing in front of cars that don't expect traffic to their right. Don't do this. On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Ron Mc bulld...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Thanks Steve, I couldn't read the link on the work computer, but the pdf is great. The article is also very good. Educating police officers is good, but this information needs to get to the general public. The lane controlling discussion reminds me of is a big shopping center in town where virtually 100% of the traffic takes the right lane to turn onto the highway, and backs up for two long blocks - very consistent here. When my buddy and I turned left from the shopping center and were going straight under the highway, I took the left lane, all alone, and rode through the light - to the surprise and dismay of the queuing Honda to my right. My buddy, on the other hand, went for the right curb, and met me under the overpass 10 minutes later. Another lane-controlling incident - this was a 5-lane lane road with a 45 mph speed limit. Was following my friends on their tandem and being the big blinking red warning signal. The shoulder disappears on some bridges, so I was intentionally controlling the right lane. A pickup truck played chicken with me for control of the right lane, even though he had zero traffic in the left lane. There's never a cop when you need one. On Friday, August 2, 2013 10:39:59 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 08/02/2013 11:35 AM, Lyle Bogart wrote: Interesting article, Patrick. Thanks for posting it! Cheers! lyle On 1 August 2013 18:52, Patrick Moore bert...@gmail.com wrote: http://lawandordermag.epubxp.com/i/144260/54 Very much worth reading, and thanks to the boblister who posted it on that list. I think it worth posting on this one. I, an urban commuter since roughly 1967, learned new things. Note that, with a bit of effort, you *can* save it as a PDF. Attached is the article plus the magazine cover, extracted from the complete issue. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Route from Ashland/Medford OR to Pacific Coast
Riv peeps, Can any Oregon Rivster help me with a good route from Ashland, OR to the Pacific Coast? This is part of a tour where, once we get to the coast, we'll ride on California's Lost Coast, so I'm open to good fire roads as well as paved roads. We'll be riding in mid-September. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Cyclists' legal rights, from a cop magazine: very much worth reading.
On Friday, August 2, 2013 12:21:35 PM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote: Ron, Not only did your friend take ten minutes longer, but he failed on one very important safety rule: Do not place yourself to the right of right-turning cars if you are going straight. Going straight when the cars to the left of you are turning right is a recipe for being right hooked. So many people get this one wrong. In my area, we sometimes have to go through freeway overpasses/underpasses. I see so many cyclists failing to make the merge away from the freeway on-ramp lane, before it turns into the on-ramp lane. Then they are forced to cross the on-ramp at a right angle, passing in front of cars that don't expect traffic to their right. Don't do this. San Antonio is pretty good on bike lanes, and getting better, but an inherently dangerous spot is where bikes have to merge left go straight and cars have to cross the bike lane into a right-turn-only lane. Chicken is an unintentional sport here. This is where a good blinking taillight may wake a drive up from their oblivion to recognize what is going on. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide, was Jamboree
The need for tech on any trail is greatly exaggerated. My under biked Hunqapillar (50mm duremes w/ fenders) and loaded for 10 days (no stopping to get food, but we pruified water) handled 99% of what others on the latest/greatest MTBs with fat knobbies and no load could ride. They had to LCG (lowest common gear, aka hike-a-bike) in the babyhead loose dirtbike stuff too. That was 2 sections of the CT, including what I've since learned is the worst section for loose babyhead (5 miles, 70% uphill). Can the tires absorb all the bumps? Absolutely not. That's why God gave you elbows and knees. You'll learn to pedal uphill standing as the bike bounces beneath you and your knees and elbows absorb 18 of travel on demand (same for downhill, but it's easy since you just have to brake, not pedal). There is a rhythm to it. Most washboard is avoidable/minimized by simply picking your line well. The GDMBT is mostly fairly remote dirt road. I personally think knobbies are overkill (I've ridden the Southern half of the Colorado portion of the trail.). The Colorado Trail was much more demanding and I still rode most of what anyone else did (riders of the whole thing say 1/3 of it is LCG). You and your Atlantis will do just fine and have a wondrous trip. With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, August 1, 2013 10:21:33 AM UTC-6, Anne Paulson wrote: I've been thinking about riding the Great Divide. But I'd need a lot of persuading to know why I would want to use one of my Atlanti instead of a bike with a front suspension and disk brakes. I've heard a lot about washboards; would a big soft tire really be enough cushioning? On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Jim M. math...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: How about a Riv tour down the Great Divide bike route? Mixed terrain, self-supported, and a rider could choose a particular part or the whole route. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Cyclists' legal rights, from a cop magazine: very much worth reading.
I hate spots like that. Good lane striping can help. San Antonio is pretty good on bike lanes, and getting better, but an inherently dangerous spot is where bikes have to merge left go straight and cars have to cross the bike lane into a right-turn-only lane. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Stan's to Paris-Roubaixs on Ram
I usually pump my tires every 3 to 4 days - latex tubes go down by definition. It went flat a few hours after I pumped it, and it had been two weeks since I rode it. Another charge of Stans, pumped it up and spun the wheel for awhile. After 3 days it's holding solid. Seems unlikely it's a new hole since I didn't ride the bike, so I assumed the old one dried out. All is good for now. How did you discover that it had dried? Flats? Or no spray from the valve? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide, was Jamboree
From what I hear, in the New Mexico portions of the trail, washboarding can't be avoided by picking a good line. At least, people riding the New Mexico section, people who were tired of day after day of washboard and had every incentive to avoid washboards, report they were unable to do so. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Cyclists' legal rights, from a cop magazine: very much worth reading.
of course our clay is white so it all blends together powdery gray. On Friday, August 2, 2013 12:48:23 PM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote: I hate spots like that. Good lane striping can help. San Antonio is pretty good on bike lanes, and getting better, but an inherently dangerous spot is where bikes have to merge left go straight and cars have to cross the bike lane into a right-turn-only lane. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree
I'll tolerate camping if I need to to be where I want to be but would take a nice hotel room given the option. Just weighing in! On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.comwrote: Agreed, I love a nice long ride but there had better be a shower and comfy bed on the other side. Even as a boy scout I hated camping. I just don't get the appeal but to each their own. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On 08/01/2013 12:44 PM, Montclair BobbyB wrote: You know, I should have anticipated a response from you, Steve :) First, I did include rideability in my location criteria... I should probably have also included cultural/historical significance, too. For example, the Great Allegheny Passage has the romance of old train lines, industrial revolution history and massive tunnels built through mountains... I'd call that scenic beauty, but to each his own. Agreed, definitely scenic beauty, but perhaps not grandeur in the sense of the sublime. For the record I did list lodging before camping... I love to camp, but equally enjoy a comfy bed in a charming inn, I clarified that basically for the S24O, camping-obsessed Riv community. Seems like camping is all you hear about on the RBW list, and some of us do not camp. And as for this nonsense of being eaten by wolves, they will always go after younger meat... you've got nothing to worry about :) Epic and adventure do not have to mean you're risking your life, as Rapha et al. would have you believe. Again, a clarification aimed at others. You do a very civilized event without the threat of being eaten by wolves or camping. :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.**comrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/rbw-owners-bunchhttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_outhttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Route from Ashland/Medford OR to Pacific Coast
Anne, we should talk directly. I might be able to point you towards info. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 2, 2013, at 10:37 AM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote: Riv peeps, Can any Oregon Rivster help me with a good route from Ashland, OR to the Pacific Coast? This is part of a tour where, once we get to the coast, we'll ride on California's Lost Coast, so I'm open to good fire roads as well as paved roads. We'll be riding in mid-September. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide, was Jamboree
Absolutely. Sorry, didn't mean to give the impression that worked on the whole route. But that's a relatively small section of the route as well, and the travel of most shocks is 3-4. That ain't gonna help much and you're still gonna have to stand. That's my take on it. With abandon, Patrick On Friday, August 2, 2013 11:50:43 AM UTC-6, Anne Paulson wrote: From what I hear, in the New Mexico portions of the trail, washboarding can't be avoided by picking a good line. At least, people riding the New Mexico section, people who were tired of day after day of washboard and had every incentive to avoid washboards, report they were unable to do so. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree
I think the consensus is to find a destination that allows for those who want a nice bed to have a nice bed and for those who want to camp to camp. On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Steven Frederick stl...@gmail.com wrote: I'll tolerate camping if I need to to be where I want to be but would take a nice hotel room given the option. Just weighing in! On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.comwrote: Agreed, I love a nice long ride but there had better be a shower and comfy bed on the other side. Even as a boy scout I hated camping. I just don't get the appeal but to each their own. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.comwrote: On 08/01/2013 12:44 PM, Montclair BobbyB wrote: You know, I should have anticipated a response from you, Steve :) First, I did include rideability in my location criteria... I should probably have also included cultural/historical significance, too. For example, the Great Allegheny Passage has the romance of old train lines, industrial revolution history and massive tunnels built through mountains... I'd call that scenic beauty, but to each his own. Agreed, definitely scenic beauty, but perhaps not grandeur in the sense of the sublime. For the record I did list lodging before camping... I love to camp, but equally enjoy a comfy bed in a charming inn, I clarified that basically for the S24O, camping-obsessed Riv community. Seems like camping is all you hear about on the RBW list, and some of us do not camp. And as for this nonsense of being eaten by wolves, they will always go after younger meat... you've got nothing to worry about :) Epic and adventure do not have to mean you're risking your life, as Rapha et al. would have you believe. Again, a clarification aimed at others. You do a very civilized event without the threat of being eaten by wolves or camping. :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.**comrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/rbw-owners-bunchhttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_outhttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Cyclists' legal rights, from a cop magazine: very much worth reading.
The one time I was hit by a car was at an intersection, going straight and failing to look left at a car that was turning right. Fortunately the damage to me and bike was relatively light and the driver's insurance paid up very generously. Since then I have taken to pulling out to the center or even to the left of the rightmost lane when waiting at a light or when slowing for a stop sign. Often, I will waive right-turning cars to make the turn while they are to my right; only twice have I had idiots pull to my right and then go straight. I try to position myself so that I block those going straight while allowing those turning to do so. For that matter, when going straight at a light, moving to the left of one's lane also makes it far less likely, IME, for oncoming idiots turning left to try to get their turn in in front of you -- something that regularly happened when I stayed near the curb. (I also look steadily at the driver of the oncoming car and motion emphatically that I intend to go straight.) So far, thank God, so good. On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.comwrote: Ron, Not only did your friend take ten minutes longer, but he failed on one very important safety rule: Do not place yourself to the right of right-turning cars if you are going straight. Going straight when the cars to the left of you are turning right is a recipe for being right hooked. So many people get this one wrong. In my area, we sometimes have to go through freeway overpasses/underpasses. I see so many cyclists failing to make the merge away from the freeway on-ramp lane, before it turns into the on-ramp lane. Then they are forced to cross the on-ramp at a right angle, passing in front of cars that don't expect traffic to their right. Don't do this. On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Steve, I couldn't read the link on the work computer, but the pdf is great. The article is also very good. Educating police officers is good, but this information needs to get to the general public. The lane controlling discussion reminds me of is a big shopping center in town where virtually 100% of the traffic takes the right lane to turn onto the highway, and backs up for two long blocks - very consistent here. When my buddy and I turned left from the shopping center and were going straight under the highway, I took the left lane, all alone, and rode through the light - to the surprise and dismay of the queuing Honda to my right. My buddy, on the other hand, went for the right curb, and met me under the overpass 10 minutes later. Another lane-controlling incident - this was a 5-lane lane road with a 45 mph speed limit. Was following my friends on their tandem and being the big blinking red warning signal. The shoulder disappears on some bridges, so I was intentionally controlling the right lane. A pickup truck played chicken with me for control of the right lane, even though he had zero traffic in the left lane. There's never a cop when you need one. On Friday, August 2, 2013 10:39:59 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 08/02/2013 11:35 AM, Lyle Bogart wrote: Interesting article, Patrick. Thanks for posting it! Cheers! lyle On 1 August 2013 18:52, Patrick Moore bert...@gmail.com wrote: http://lawandordermag.epubxp.com/i/144260/54 Very much worth reading, and thanks to the boblister who posted it on that list. I think it worth posting on this one. I, an urban commuter since roughly 1967, learned new things. Note that, with a bit of effort, you *can* save it as a PDF. Attached is the article plus the magazine cover, extracted from the complete issue. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group.
[RBW] Re: Seeking route advice for a series of sequential S24O rides... (Bay Area)
Thanks to everybody who replied. I'm digesting the info that I've received so far, and trying to figure out exactly where I'll ride. One big question... I keep seeing that various sites either have first-come-first-serve campsites or require reservations (which would require more planning than I enjoy). Both of those worry me in that I'd hate to ride 60 miles to find that the campsite I was planning to find was filled and I have to find last minute reservations, which could mean riding many more miles back to town for a hotel. How quickly do these sites fill up? (I'd hate to rush my day of riding just to get to the campsite early) How's the stealth camping along the coast north of the golden gate? How about Mt Tam? And Diablo? Too crowded, or do people manage? Is it difficult to find secluded spots? Likely to have a run-in with a ranger? Thanks again! -Rex On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 12:43 AM, Rex Kerr rexk...@gmail.com wrote: OK, so they're not really S24O if they're sequential, but... looking for a good route from the SF bay area to the Sacramento area, with enough detour to make it interesting. Looking at 5 days and about 45-65 miles per day. Would like to camp at least half of the nights. I ask here because I'm thinking of starting in the Berkeley area and riding up to Mt Diablo, which seems very popular around here. Question is, where do I go from there? I'm thinking maybe come back down and do the Iron Horse trail, but is that very interesting? I've only ridden part of it while test riding. If I do that, how would one recommend riding back to the Sacramento area? Thanks! -Rex -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Cyclists' legal rights, from a cop magazine: very much worth reading.
I agree, Patrick. When I am approaching an intersection I'm going straight at, and there is following traffic, I try to clearly indicate, with my body language, that I am going straight through the intersection and not turning. I don't hug the curb. I of course never get in the right turning lane, and if there is no right-turning lane, I pull left a little bit, so I'm more or less riding where the right wheels of a straight-through car would be. I try to make it difficult for drivers to go around me to the left when they want to go right. (Sadly, some clueless drivers still swerve way around me to the left and then go right. But not very many drivers are that incompetent.) -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree
Uh, wolves go for the weak, sick, or slow, so generally the very young (the real reason I camp with my daughters) or the very old (still not sure how to handle that one should I be blessed to arrive there). Ahhh-- by then we'll be empty nesters, and my wife robbed the cradle (she's six month's older). Problem solved! Grin. Folks keep naming Colorado as a great place to meet (and it is), but I won't be doing any organizing of anything and our Colorado Contingent isn't responding much to the S24O call, so host lethargy should perhaps be a factor in weighing options. With abandon, Patrick On Friday, August 2, 2013 11:58:36 AM UTC-6, stevef wrote: I'll tolerate camping if I need to to be where I want to be but would take a nice hotel room given the option. Just weighing in! On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Peter Morgano uscpet...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Agreed, I love a nice long ride but there had better be a shower and comfy bed on the other side. Even as a boy scout I hated camping. I just don't get the appeal but to each their own. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Steve Palincsar pali...@his.comjavascript: wrote: On 08/01/2013 12:44 PM, Montclair BobbyB wrote: You know, I should have anticipated a response from you, Steve :) First, I did include rideability in my location criteria... I should probably have also included cultural/historical significance, too. For example, the Great Allegheny Passage has the romance of old train lines, industrial revolution history and massive tunnels built through mountains... I'd call that scenic beauty, but to each his own. Agreed, definitely scenic beauty, but perhaps not grandeur in the sense of the sublime. For the record I did list lodging before camping... I love to camp, but equally enjoy a comfy bed in a charming inn, I clarified that basically for the S24O, camping-obsessed Riv community. Seems like camping is all you hear about on the RBW list, and some of us do not camp. And as for this nonsense of being eaten by wolves, they will always go after younger meat... you've got nothing to worry about :) Epic and adventure do not have to mean you're risking your life, as Rapha et al. would have you believe. Again, a clarification aimed at others. You do a very civilized event without the threat of being eaten by wolves or camping. :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@**googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.**comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/rbw-owners-bunchhttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_outhttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree
I'm the wrong guy to lead the charge here (trust me on that) but I would certainly lend my mass to the pursuit of criticality (read that: will help organize and plan) and would love to meet y'all. Jim in Boulder On Friday, August 2, 2013 8:13:17 AM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Marc, I think Denver/Boulder is the best location put out. But as others have mentioned, it needs a critical mass of locals that want to do the leg-work to get it going. Majority of the conversation seems to be coming from Bay Area and PNW in that regard. On 8/2/13, Marc Irwin irwi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Chicago is the cheapest to fly to or from, but Denver ain't bad, and also has Amtrak service from the midwest and Bay Area. Denver has by far the most dramatic scenery and perhaps Rocky Mountain National Park for a base camp? Marc On Friday, August 2, 2013 2:38:40 AM UTC-4, Lee Chae wrote: I was thinking that way, too, Anne. I actually started out an exercise querying round-trip airline fares for various destinations from a variety of cities (SF, NYC, DC, Seattle, Portland, LA, San Diego, etc.). I thought I'd try Denver as a destination first. So far, it looks like Chicago O'Hare would be the cheapest average round-trip flight from most of the points of origin I checked. Lee On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Anne Paulson anne.p...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: IF we are looking for geographical centers-- and I don't know that we are-- we should look for the geographical center of the rider's home towns, not the geographical center of the US. I suspect the geographical center of riders would be something like Denver. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Marc Irwin irwi...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: I was going to chime in on that also. If it is to be a national get together, picking a place in one distant corner will rule out a lot of people just because of the travel. It will be a regional get together as a result. As I mentioned earlier the geographical center of the country is in northern Kansas almost equidistant from Kansas City, Omaha and Denver. I'm not familiar with Omaha but Kansas City and Denver both have a lot going for them and a lot of very interesting riding to be chosen. Marc On Thursday, August 1, 2013 6:40:54 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote: If this is to be a national get together, can we have it in the exact geometrical center of the country? Just kidding about that, but somewhere more or less accessible to the majority of participants would be nice to consider. Colorado? Of course, if most of the interested parties are in the PNW, then that would over-weigh a national distribution. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Andy Smitty Schmidt 54c...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder if we could find some sort of BB type place that would have rooms for those who want to sleep indoors and a lawn for those who want to throw a sleeping bag on the ground. The Coastal Mountain Sport Haus is in the coast range west of Portland, so not really near Bellingham. But if there's interest I'd be happy to call and at least find out if they could/would accommodate something like this. My vote regarding date would be earlier the better... to maximize the cool and green. Although by mid-July the berries are ripe. --Smitty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patric...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group.
[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto Soba Handlebars
not true, Soba's came in 42,44, and 46cm wide. I have a pair of 46's but all the others I've found were smaller sizes. ~mike On Friday, August 2, 2013 5:13:45 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote: I read a reference that Sobas only came in 46cm. http://www.flickr.com/photos/rperks1/4858141165/ This photo shows they're wider in the drops. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Route from Ashland/Medford OR to Pacific Coast
wow Anne, you have a bunch of great tour ideas. This route sounds great too. Although that section of Oregon and Nor Cal has some interesting folks who grow funny weeds. ~mike On Friday, August 2, 2013 10:37:31 AM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote: Riv peeps, Can any Oregon Rivster help me with a good route from Ashland, OR to the Pacific Coast? This is part of a tour where, once we get to the coast, we'll ride on California's Lost Coast, so I'm open to good fire roads as well as paved roads. We'll be riding in mid-September. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Route from Ashland/Medford OR to Pacific Coast
The funny weed people aren't as alarming as the meth-heads who, I'm told, might be found in that area. On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Mike Schiller mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: wow Anne, you have a bunch of great tour ideas. This route sounds great too. Although that section of Oregon and Nor Cal has some interesting folks who grow funny weeds. ~mike On Friday, August 2, 2013 10:37:31 AM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote: Riv peeps, Can any Oregon Rivster help me with a good route from Ashland, OR to the Pacific Coast? This is part of a tour where, once we get to the coast, we'll ride on California's Lost Coast, so I'm open to good fire roads as well as paved roads. We'll be riding in mid-September. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: FS: brooks tetkro shimano nitto paul
hi folks all of these items are still available. thanks for your time joe kelly On Monday, July 22, 2013 8:22:27 PM UTC-4, joe kelly wrote: hi folks i have the following rivish items for sale: _nitto technomic 8cm used 35 _shimano deore xt hb-m750 front hub new with skewer 25 _paul gino light mount new in package 15 _tektro rl720 interupter levers for canti/sidepull brakes new 15 _brooks b-17 the tension bolt is pertneer worn out as far as the brooks tool is concerned. needle nose vise grips work on it just fine. used 60 all items add $5 for shipping. if you buy more than one item shipping remains $5 thanks for your time joe kelly columbus ohio -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree
I don't know what all is involved in one of these gatherings, or what prep I could do from ABQ, some 450 miles south of Denver, but if such an event be planned for Denver, I am willing to help with whatever it is that is doable from a distance if the event should be scheduled for our rough N-S axis. Mother, clients, and daughter permitting, I would come. On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Jim jamesfek...@gmail.com wrote: I'm the wrong guy to lead the charge here (trust me on that) but I would certainly lend my mass to the pursuit of criticality (read that: will help organize and plan) and would love to meet y'all. Jim in Boulder On Friday, August 2, 2013 8:13:17 AM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Marc, I think Denver/Boulder is the best location put out. But as others have mentioned, it needs a critical mass of locals that want to do the leg-work to get it going. Majority of the conversation seems to be coming from Bay Area and PNW in that regard. On 8/2/13, Marc Irwin irwi...@gmail.com wrote: Chicago is the cheapest to fly to or from, but Denver ain't bad, and also has Amtrak service from the midwest and Bay Area. Denver has by far the most dramatic scenery and perhaps Rocky Mountain National Park for a base camp? Marc On Friday, August 2, 2013 2:38:40 AM UTC-4, Lee Chae wrote: I was thinking that way, too, Anne. I actually started out an exercise querying round-trip airline fares for various destinations from a variety of cities (SF, NYC, DC, Seattle, Portland, LA, San Diego, etc.). I thought I'd try Denver as a destination first. So far, it looks like Chicago O'Hare would be the cheapest average round-trip flight from most of the points of origin I checked. Lee On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Anne Paulson anne.p...@gmail.com**javascript: wrote: IF we are looking for geographical centers-- and I don't know that we are-- we should look for the geographical center of the rider's home towns, not the geographical center of the US. I suspect the geographical center of riders would be something like Denver. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Marc Irwin irwi...@gmail.comjavascript:** wrote: I was going to chime in on that also. If it is to be a national get together, picking a place in one distant corner will rule out a lot of people just because of the travel. It will be a regional get together as a result. As I mentioned earlier the geographical center of the country is in northern Kansas almost equidistant from Kansas City, Omaha and Denver. I'm not familiar with Omaha but Kansas City and Denver both have a lot going for them and a lot of very interesting riding to be chosen. Marc On Thursday, August 1, 2013 6:40:54 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote: If this is to be a national get together, can we have it in the exact geometrical center of the country? Just kidding about that, but somewhere more or less accessible to the majority of participants would be nice to consider. Colorado? Of course, if most of the interested parties are in the PNW, then that would over-weigh a national distribution. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Andy Smitty Schmidt 54c...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder if we could find some sort of BB type place that would have rooms for those who want to sleep indoors and a lawn for those who want to throw a sleeping bag on the ground. The Coastal Mountain Sport Haus is in the coast range west of Portland, so not really near Bellingham. But if there's interest I'd be happy to call and at least find out if they could/would accommodate something like this. My vote regarding date would be earlier the better... to maximize the cool and green. Although by mid-July the berries are ripe. --Smitty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@**googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** group/rbw-owners-bunch http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/** groups/opt_out https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- http://resumespecialties.com/**index.htmlhttp://resumespecialties.com/index.html patric...@resumespecialties.**com http://www.linkedin.com/in/**patrickmooreresumespec/http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to
[RBW] Saluki takes me for a swim
It's a beautiful day, so Saluki and I rode down to my favorite spot for a swim. Which makes me think, a Riv Jamboree needs a good swimming hole, a big barbecue pit, and some liquefaction to celebrate with. Hey Eric, Minnesota has lots of trails lakes and a good airport. It is unfortunately flat and all the people speak minnesotan! https://www.icloud.com/photostream/#A25n8hH4lv170 blessings, michael Westford, VT (which is also a great place to ride-a-riv.) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree
Vote for CO also. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto Soba Handlebars
fair enough, I was going by what I read - they're also not the same bend as the noodle if the photo is right On Friday, August 2, 2013 1:59:34 PM UTC-5, Mike Schiller wrote: not true, Soba's came in 42,44, and 46cm wide. I have a pair of 46's but all the others I've found were smaller sizes. ~mike On Friday, August 2, 2013 5:13:45 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote: I read a reference that Sobas only came in 46cm. http://www.flickr.com/photos/rperks1/4858141165/ This photo shows they're wider in the drops. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto Soba Handlebars
On 08/02/2013 05:12 PM, Ron Mc wrote: fair enough, I was going by what I read - they're also not the same bend as the noodle if the photo is right That bar on top isn't the Soba Nitto 177-LT. It looks like a 176 on top and a 177 (noodle) on the bottom in that photo. Perhaps they made the Soba (lightweight handlebar) in more than one model. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto Soba Handlebars
I hope this clears up the confusion: The picture in the flickr post shows a comparison between B177 Nitto Noodle Bars Soba version and the RM 013 Nitto Dirt Drop Bar. The bar on the top of the pic is the Dirt Drop with the clamp sleve, flat bar and wide flare. - size 48 (of 46, 48, and 51 options) The bar on the bottom is the Soba with a backward bend to the bars, clamp bulge, and less flare. - size 46 (of 41,42,44,46, and maybe 48 options) The picture is mislabeled - or deceptively labeled. In English we read from top to bottom, left to right. The bar on the top should intuitively be the first one listed in the caption, it isn't. I think the Soba version of Nitto bars has a different production number than B177 but I could not find and answer to that. Jason SF, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Bike Choice
I suspect that most of us have had bad experiences when we first started out. In my university student days I used to ride a cheap department store bike. I rode it a lot of miles and did all of the maintenance myself, though still didn't know much about bikes, just figuring it out as I went. I remember once taking it into a small bike shop to ask for new bottom bracket bearings so that I could overhaul the one piece crank. The guy working there gave me a very long lecture about how it was a piece of junk, wasn't worth riding, couldn't be overhauled, and -- wait... you're planning to use automotive grease in those bearings? No, no, no! You want this super expensive lithium bike specific grease! He didn't believe me that I'd ridden it as far as 70 miles in a single day and it worked OK for me at the time. I finally overhauled it (with cheap automotive grease) and continued to ride it for many years. I finally decided one day (once I had a real job) to get a nice bike. It was kind of a whim... just stopped in at a shop that had signs saying they were having a sale. I was looking at the cheap hybrid bikes and was looking at a 22 frame model, but the guy working there kept steering me to the 20 frame. I have no idea why, especially considering I'm a hair under 6'4. I took his advice (what did I know? I'd been riding one-size-fits-few bikes from KMart) and bought the 20 frame. While it was a big mistake and I now know that even the 22 was too small, it did get me into cyling -- big time! I got rather excited about it! Over the next few years I bought an extra long seatpost, new handlebars with more reach, etc... Attempts to make it fit: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rexkerr/6639222403/ What the heck, turn it into a MTB: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rexkerr/6639161251/ A few years later I found a really nice riding but much older Peugeot road bike. It rode GREAT and fit me really well (it was a BIG ONE), but the cottered crank didn't go around straight (a common problem with them). I took it to the same shop, and he basically convinced me to junk the bike. Oh, how mad I am about that now! Now I'd just stick a new french threaded cartridge BB in it for $20 or so and some new/used low end cranks and have it riding like a dream! So... without his help, I did find a much larger low end 62cm Nishiki at Salvation Army for $25... I then moved all of the running gear from the bike he'd sold me over to the Nishiki and rode it for a long time as my primary bike! Again, still way too small, but over time I learned about Nitto Technomic stems and put in a longer seatpost, and it fit OK -- in fact, I still ride it as my beater bike when I'll be leaving it locked up somewhere or abusing it. It rides like a dream and I still like it to this day! http://www.flickr.com/photos/rexkerr/8425223847/ During this timeframe I discovered Rivendell and was influenced very much by them and others who had similar ideas about bike fit and design and discovered that it completely agreed with what I was discovering on my own, yet I still wanted a go fast bike. So, I started again... new shop. Everybody kept telling me you don't want a road bike, you want a mountain bike! This was during a time around the year 2000 when the road bike was nearly extinct. (hard to believe now) Anyhow, I managed to find a shop that had a few road bikes, and they put me on a Specialized Allez (traditional horizontal TT geometry) w/ 60 cm frame! Again, after years of trying to make it fit, I finally realized why it would never work. Another shop that was known to specialize in fit spent a lot of time with me trying to make it work before just telling me that if I ever wanted a bike that fit well, I'd have to go full custom. ...many more bikes in between... I now know that I best fit on a bike with traditional geometry and a frame size between 67 and 69 cm. I can fit something smaller but I know that I'm making a compromise. For example, I recently upgraded my small for its size Trek 520 by replacing the frame with a newly available 64cm Surly LHT frame, which feel much bigger for any given size -- knowing that it's still not perfect, but it's the biggest off the shelf bike that anybody sells. 63 cm Trek 520 still too small: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rexkerr/6638127641/ I'm very happy with my 67 A Homer Hilsen, though still wonder sometimes if I should have held out and tried to find a way to test ride a 69 before making my final decision. AHH fits well: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rexkerr/5934743783/ Everywhere I go I see people on undersized bikes that are too small, but it's really nice to know that there's at least one guy out there promoting properly fitting bikes. :-) -Rex On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 9:27 AM, LeahFoy jonasandle...@gmail.com wrote: In reading the thread about bike fit, I was reminded about another closely related topic: choosing a bike. I was in the market for a new bike, and after a lifetime
[RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide, was Jamboree
An Adventure Cycling staff member said during one of the nightly map meetings last year that the Great Divide route stays within 50 miles of the Continental Divide. The actual Continental Divide is mostly wilderness where bikes are not allowed. The Montana piece we rode varied in elevation 3,000 - 4,570 feet. Here's a 18 sec video I took ~Tony http://www.flickr.com/photos/51959000@N08/7635357482/ Where the rivers change direction, across the Great Divide. _Kate Wolf On Thursday, August 1, 2013 5:10:59 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote: Isn't it called the Great Divide route because it closely follows the continental divide? As in, wayy up in the mountains? While I love my Atlantis, and have taken it some places it really wasn't meant to go, it seems this is a ride for which a purpose built MTB is more appropriate. I concur with Anne's comment about liking under-biking, but not that far under. Memories of gazing down the Abyss of Death on the Loch Leven ride are still fresh in mind. dougP On Thursday, August 1, 2013 1:29:21 PM UTC-7, Matt Beebe wrote: I have ridden the northern part of the divide, using 40mm tires fully loaded on a regular touring bike, and I would definitely not hesitate to do it on an Atlantis.Parts of it were gnarly, but they were not that long and were actually kind of fun.I found that those washboard roads go from nightmare to completely doable if you drop your tire pressure to juuust the right amount. It was really surprising what a difference it makes. On Thursday, August 1, 2013 12:21:33 PM UTC-4, Anne Paulson wrote: I've been thinking about riding the Great Divide. But I'd need a lot of persuading to know why I would want to use one of my Atlanti instead of a bike with a front suspension and disk brakes. I've heard a lot about washboards; would a big soft tire really be enough cushioning? On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Jim M. math...@gmail.com wrote: How about a Riv tour down the Great Divide bike route? Mixed terrain, self-supported, and a rider could choose a particular part or the whole route. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Tires for wet roads
I can't currently measure the Contis myself, since I swapped them out after 8k miles (with rideable tread left!) in order to give the GB's a go. However, a survey of old forum posts suggests that other folks have measured them at ~34mm, so they might work for you. Note that rim width will matter: the same tires mounted on wider rims will measure a little wider on wider rims than on narrower rims. rod -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Gotham Cargo Crate
SMP My concern is me (or you) falling on a corner of the crate. I think a Wald would crumple a bit. I don't think think this is a huge concern, just a moderate concern. Perhaps if the crate could be attached to be stable for most circumstances but break away on a severe impact it would be OK. I like your picture. Gotta love a store that allows your bike inside to help shop. A nice reason to have a crate or a basket. Tom On Friday, August 2, 2013 9:29:21 AM UTC-7, SMP wrote: Tom--first, thanks for the compliments. My bike is blushing :). Second, regarding your aversion to using a wooden crate due to crashing... Do you mean the crash will be that much worse because pieces of wood would fly everywhere and jab me in a vital organ, but maybe a wald basket would just bend out of shape, at worst? Hmm.. I think I may understand where you are coming from. I already had a handlebar-mounted Wald basket http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumehra/5593701927/in/set-72157626345789636previously, but I promptly removed it because it was just too big for my liking. I would have to go for a smaller (medium) sized basket this time with a Mark's rack, because I prefer a lower position and would like to keep it off the handlebar if at all possible. On Thursday, August 1, 2013 6:48:07 AM UTC+2, Tom Virgil wrote: You ask if this is a terrible idea. Your bike is drop dead gorgeous. I also think the crates are wonderfully crafted. But I think the crates are substantial, wooden things with metal corners (perhaps, not the Autumn, but it is angular). They are quite elegant. I don't want to crash with one of those on my bike. I have my troubles and crashes are a matter of when, not if for me. I don't want such a rigid structure in that scenario. I do think that Wald baskets are great if your goal is carrying stuff. And, they are quite aerodynamic if nothing is in them. Hope this is helpful. Best Regards, Tom On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 2:45:26 PM UTC-7, SMP wrote: Hello Bunch, I am contemplating a few upgrades to my bike, and one of these is the autumn http://www.gothamcargo.com/about-autumn/ front basket/crate by Gotham Cargo http://gothamcargo.com. Here is a photo of my Riv http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumehra/6320659498/in/set-72157626345789636(not very recent). Now imagine silver Gilles Berthoud fenders and cream tires (this is already a part of the upgrade plan). My first question is, given my color scheme, what color crate would you recommend? Click here for color optionshttp://www.gothamcargo.com/customize-it/. I am leaning towards Natural, Graphite, or Silver. If I do Natural, though, I'd like to varnish it somehow to make it match the honey saddle and amber shellacked cork grips. (Silly question - Can I use shellac on wood or only varnish?) My next question is, is there a way to mount this in an easy-on/easy off method on either a big nitto front rack or the smaller mark's rack? Maybe using retractable zip ties or a klickfix solution? I want to have the versatility to have it on most of the time for my inner city use, but from time to time on long rides, have the option to go crate-free. My last question is, is this a terrible idea? Thanks and looking forward to your feedback. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide, was Jamboree
I rode Banff to Whitefish on the Great Divide last year. Beautiful territory with some steep hills! I rode my Bridgestone XO-3 with 1.7 inch knobbies and had no problems. And V-brakes were fine. I even think my touring bike with 37's would have been fine for 98% of the trail. That said, I'll probably go with my 29er next time. Ray in CT -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] SP PV8 Dynohub for the Ram
I got it NIB from a lister for $75 shipped and, opening it just now, am very pleased with, at least, the appearance and weight: on a kitchen scale it measures 380 grams, and in appearance the slight build and muted silver finish make it smaller than and almost as nice looking as my SON 20R. And Shimano-type connector! Has anyone here used one of these? Comments? The only worrying thing is that the bearings seem unusually notchy. Is this cause for concern? [Patrick Moore, jerking your chain in ABQ, NM.] -- http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide, was Jamboree
Exactly. The Great Divide MTB Trail criss-crosses the Continental Divide as it zippers it's way down it. The highest point is around 12,700, with most point rather below that. It's an arduous trail, but as near as I can tell from my own experience, the requirement for suspension is the same as the requirement for synthetic clothing, racing bikes with minimal tire clearances, spandex anything, etc. With abandon, Patrick On Friday, August 2, 2013 3:57:19 PM UTC-6, Tony wrote: An Adventure Cycling staff member said during one of the nightly map meetings last year that the Great Divide route stays within 50 miles of the Continental Divide. The actual Continental Divide is mostly wilderness where bikes are not allowed. The Montana piece we rode varied in elevation 3,000 - 4,570 feet. Here's a 18 sec video I took ~Tony http://www.flickr.com/photos/51959000@N08/7635357482/ Where the rivers change direction, across the Great Divide. _Kate Wolf On Thursday, August 1, 2013 5:10:59 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote: Isn't it called the Great Divide route because it closely follows the continental divide? As in, wayy up in the mountains? While I love my Atlantis, and have taken it some places it really wasn't meant to go, it seems this is a ride for which a purpose built MTB is more appropriate. I concur with Anne's comment about liking under-biking, but not that far under. Memories of gazing down the Abyss of Death on the Loch Leven ride are still fresh in mind. dougP On Thursday, August 1, 2013 1:29:21 PM UTC-7, Matt Beebe wrote: I have ridden the northern part of the divide, using 40mm tires fully loaded on a regular touring bike, and I would definitely not hesitate to do it on an Atlantis.Parts of it were gnarly, but they were not that long and were actually kind of fun.I found that those washboard roads go from nightmare to completely doable if you drop your tire pressure to juuust the right amount. It was really surprising what a difference it makes. On Thursday, August 1, 2013 12:21:33 PM UTC-4, Anne Paulson wrote: I've been thinking about riding the Great Divide. But I'd need a lot of persuading to know why I would want to use one of my Atlanti instead of a bike with a front suspension and disk brakes. I've heard a lot about washboards; would a big soft tire really be enough cushioning? On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Jim M. math...@gmail.com wrote: How about a Riv tour down the Great Divide bike route? Mixed terrain, self-supported, and a rider could choose a particular part or the whole route. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Century ride training for the un-racer?
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Bitonal bito...@gmail.com wrote: Also resist the urge to stop for Mexican while doing this...save it for the destination. Haha... reminds me of a ride I did years ago. A friend suggested that we should do a ride called Bikes and Birds at the wildlife preserve where they allowed a limited number of riders to ride the back roads and some cutoffs while they were closed to cars. The appeal was that you could stop a lot to watch the migratory birds. Anyhow, at the rest stops they served packaged prunes... yes, prunes, with cherry juice based sweetener, and nothing else. They were tasty, but I tried not to eat too many. My friend, on the other hand, had quite a few. On the drive home (~1 hr, rural, no fast food/gas station pitstops) he suddenly has to go... it's hard not to laugh as he struggles and begs me to go faster. I'm having a bit of a laugh at his expense and suddenly, about 10 minutes from his house, I find myself having much more empathy! When we got to his house it was a mad dash past his wife to get to the restrooms while she stood by confused why we ran by so urgently! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: SP PV8 Dynohub for the Ram
Generator hubs generate electricity by dragging rings of magnets past each other. They all feel very very notchy because you are dragging repelling poles towards each other until you get over the bump and they start repelling each other. Your SON should do precisely the same thing, as should any generator hub. Your SON may have a lot more magnets than your new one, so it might feel more like more, smaller notches. On Friday, August 2, 2013 3:12:32 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: I got it NIB from a lister for $75 shipped and, opening it just now, am very pleased with, at least, the appearance and weight: on a kitchen scale it measures 380 grams, and in appearance the slight build and muted silver finish make it smaller than and almost as nice looking as my SON 20R. And Shimano-type connector! Has anyone here used one of these? Comments? The only worrying thing is that the bearings seem unusually notchy. Is this cause for concern? [Patrick Moore, jerking your chain in ABQ, NM.] -- http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patric...@resumespecialties.com javascript: http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] SP PV8 Dynohub for the Ram
I think the SPs have been discussed a few times here and/or on the bob list. Lots of short term, generally positive experience, no long term. I've been commuting with one for a year with no issues. Can't comment on the notchy feel as ive never had another dyno hub. Can't feel anything while riding though FWIW. Pete in CT -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: SP PV8 Dynohub for the Ram
Sorry, your jerking your chain sign off went right over my head. I didn't realize you were joking about notchy bearings. Oops! Back to my nap. On Friday, August 2, 2013 3:36:02 PM UTC-7, William wrote: Generator hubs generate electricity by dragging rings of magnets past each other. They all feel very very notchy because you are dragging repelling poles towards each other until you get over the bump and they start repelling each other. Your SON should do precisely the same thing, as should any generator hub. Your SON may have a lot more magnets than your new one, so it might feel more like more, smaller notches. On Friday, August 2, 2013 3:12:32 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: I got it NIB from a lister for $75 shipped and, opening it just now, am very pleased with, at least, the appearance and weight: on a kitchen scale it measures 380 grams, and in appearance the slight build and muted silver finish make it smaller than and almost as nice looking as my SON 20R. And Shimano-type connector! Has anyone here used one of these? Comments? The only worrying thing is that the bearings seem unusually notchy. Is this cause for concern? [Patrick Moore, jerking your chain in ABQ, NM.] -- http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patric...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] FS: A. Homer Hilsen, size 59
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-SQmEwtbwyqI/Ufw-7CyLqhI/AFA/_3Bf16jfE_w/s1600/DSC00092.JPG I bought a new Hilsen a couple months ago and haven't ridden more than 100 miles on it. It is a duplicate. I have an older hilsen also. My original plan was to make one of them my road bike only and the other I was going to do up with racks and big tiresNeedless to say i decided i dont need the other Hilsen ( i have other Rivs.)...The bike is a size 59c and typical Riv. build: Some of the parts I added to the bike after purchase so they have more than 100 miles on them, but are in great shape...such as the honey brooks saddle, albatross bars...it has Shimano Deore LX hubs, 9 speed triple with Dura Ace bar end shifters, Tektro brakes, Synergy Velocity wheels and Pasela tourguard tireshoping to get $2999...Contact me offline -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: s240 Mt Tam (Paging Mike Allen)
I have the 5th and 6th off...h, perhaps I could meet up with the gang in Mill Valley.. -Andy On Thursday, August 1, 2013 8:50:20 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote: Manny, Wish I could it sounds fantastic! Soon, very soon I'll make a 3 day weekend with a S240 and some fun city riding thrown in. You folks have a great time. ~Hugh On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 9:41:50 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote: During the Rumble Mike and I talked about doing an overnighter up Mt.Tam. I'm pretty sure theres campsites up there. I think we picked the date of Aug 5. Hopefully Mike sees this and confirms. Hope ya'll can make it. -Manny -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: SP PV8 Dynohub for the Ram
William, William, William: you are far too earnest, and you didn't read to the bottom of the post. All in fun, Patrick On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 4:36 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Generator hubs generate electricity by dragging rings of magnets past each other. They all feel very very notchy because you are dragging repelling poles towards each other until you get over the bump and they start repelling each other. Your SON should do precisely the same thing, as should any generator hub. Your SON may have a lot more magnets than your new one, so it might feel more like more, smaller notches. On Friday, August 2, 2013 3:12:32 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: I got it NIB from a lister for $75 shipped and, opening it just now, am very pleased with, at least, the appearance and weight: on a kitchen scale it measures 380 grams, and in appearance the slight build and muted silver finish make it smaller than and almost as nice looking as my SON 20R. And Shimano-type connector! Has anyone here used one of these? Comments? The only worrying thing is that the bearings seem unusually notchy. Is this cause for concern? [Patrick Moore, jerking your chain in ABQ, NM.] -- http://resumespecialties.com/**index.htmlhttp://resumespecialties.com/index.html patric...@**resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/**patrickmooreresumespec/http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: SP PV8 Dynohub for the Ram
Aha! I thought you were better than that! On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 5:09 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, your jerking your chain sign off went right over my head. I didn't realize you were joking about notchy bearings. Oops! Back to my nap. On Friday, August 2, 2013 3:36:02 PM UTC-7, William wrote: Generator hubs generate electricity by dragging rings of magnets past each other. They all feel very very notchy because you are dragging repelling poles towards each other until you get over the bump and they start repelling each other. Your SON should do precisely the same thing, as should any generator hub. Your SON may have a lot more magnets than your new one, so it might feel more like more, smaller notches. On Friday, August 2, 2013 3:12:32 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: I got it NIB from a lister for $75 shipped and, opening it just now, am very pleased with, at least, the appearance and weight: on a kitchen scale it measures 380 grams, and in appearance the slight build and muted silver finish make it smaller than and almost as nice looking as my SON 20R. And Shimano-type connector! Has anyone here used one of these? Comments? The only worrying thing is that the bearings seem unusually notchy. Is this cause for concern? [Patrick Moore, jerking your chain in ABQ, NM.] -- http://resumespecialties.com/**index.htmlhttp://resumespecialties.com/index.html patric...@resumespecialties.**com http://www.linkedin.com/in/**patrickmooreresumespec/http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: SP PV8 Dynohub for the Ram
and you thought wrong. You got me! On Friday, August 2, 2013 4:37:04 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: Aha! I thought you were better than that! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: s240 Mt Tam (Paging Mike Allen)
Sounds great. We could leave SF near Pier 1, meet a few more at the bridge, and then a few more in Mill Valley. I'm not sure how many we have confirmed so far. Michael Allen On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 9:41:50 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote: During the Rumble Mike and I talked about doing an overnighter up Mt.Tam. I'm pretty sure theres campsites up there. I think we picked the date of Aug 5. Hopefully Mike sees this and confirms. Hope ya'll can make it. -Manny -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Bike Choice
Honestly, it has been so fun reading everyone's stories - even the negative ones - because each story ends happily: with a Riv. On Thursday, August 1, 2013 9:27:08 AM UTC-7, LeahFoy wrote: In reading the thread about bike fit, I was reminded about another closely related topic: choosing a bike. I was in the market for a new bike, and after a lifetime of Target bikes, a REAL bike from an LBS seemed like a lofty goal. I hit the only LBS with a brand name I recognized - Trek. Though my money was as good as anyone else's, I was treated like a nuisance and not a paying customer. The guys in lycra with carbon drop-bar bikes were revered and respected as they clicked their way through the store. I was immediately steered to their basic 1.0 model of the comfort Navigator line in a remote corner of the store. They quoted me a price of several hundred dollars and left me to think it over. I left the shop feeling confused. I was willing to spend several hundred bucks but had only been given a curt introduction to the bike. I had no idea why they felt it was 'the' bike for me, and I wasn't even sure I liked how the bike felt. Was it really an improvement over my Target Schwinn? I hit Craigslist and found a Trek 7.6FX for sale. I bought it, and it was the nicest riding bike I'd ever had. But I was left with this nagging annoyance at being leaned forward with too much weight on my hands. i couldn't look up at the gorgeous bike path scenery. I was also very limited in my terrain, due to the skinny, high pressure tires on the bike. I had to tell my boys 'no' every time they asked to take a dirt road. I hit the internet, specifically a women's biking forum, who insisted that flat bars were horrid and drop bars were what I needed. I kept thinking (almost shamefully) that my upright bars on my old Target bike would be more comfortable, but I banished the thought because one isn't taken seriously when one prefers upright bars. The Specialized Ruby was being recommended over and over again. Its relaxed geometry and those comfortable drop bars were repeated like a mantra to me. I visited the Specialized LBS, who raved about the comfort of the Ruby. I wanted a bike that would pull a tag-along, and that I could put a rack on so I could haul stuff. People looked at me funny. They didn't know how any of that would jive with the bike. But they still sung the praises of the carbon Ruby. By now, I had gotten addicted to riding all over town to my son's school, on errands, and for pleasure. As the bike became more and more important to me, I got ready to make a purchase. I was THIS CLOSE to buying the carbon drop-bar bike because I believed the experts that this was a fantastic and comfortable bike that I would just LOVE. They knew what I wanted the bike for, and of my complaints of weight on hands, etc, and yet they arrived at this conclusion. They were totally ok with me shelling out almost 2k for a bike that would be ill-suited to my needs. One night I did an Amazon search of books on cycling. Grant Petersen's book lit up my screen. I saw a bike with upright bars on the cover. I saw lots of stars in the book reviews. I bought the book. Suddenly, the heavens opened and choirs of angels began to sing! He was talking about RACKS, and upright bars, and kickstands, and all manner of practical things that would aid me in using the bike around town! I went to his website, and as a lover of literature/writing myself, I was totally taken with him and his brand. I knew gold when I found it; and it was Rivendell. Shortly after, I cut some household expenses, sold the Trek (for more than I bought it for, BTW), and asked Keven if he had a Betty for me. He found one, had it built within a week, and my family jumped in the van to make the 5 hour trek to Riv HQ. I love my bike. It's exactly what I needed, and even what I WANTED. It's pretty, it's useful, and it's reliable. I shudder when I think of the nightmare that would have been pulling a tag-along on a drop bar carbon Ruby. Maybe some of you do that, but it would have been all wrong for me. And the point of my story is that nobody in the LBS stores cared that it was. I was excruciatingly specific in what kind of cyclist I was, but they still recommended a bike that was ill-suited for me. I'm so glad I have my Rivendell Betty Foy. Anyone else have a similar story? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.
Curtis: When you book your ticket on the Surfliner, remember to add a bike. There's no charge but you need a bike reservation. There are only 6 per train (yeh, the whole train!) to book early, especially on a weekend in summer. An added wrinkle I ran into on the NorCal / SoCal event was not every train is set up for bikes to roll on. I had to remove my panniers hand the bike up to the conductor in the baggage car. The bike is fastened to a rack in the car but you're not allowed in. Look forward to seeing you on the ride. The Irvine station is on the route south, about 6 miles from my house. Another option you may consider is taking the Coaster to Oceanside hopping onto Metrolink north. If you do that, go to Tustin (Amtrak does not stop at Tustin). dougP On Thursday, August 1, 2013 8:40:19 PM UTC-7, Curtis wrote: Hi, I would like to take the train from San Diego to Irvine and ride down with the group. I will check the Amtrak schedule. On Thursday, August 1, 2013, Hugh Smitham wrote: Curtis, Awesome! Glad to have you in on this one. Best, Hugh Sunland, Ca On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 6:02 PM, Curtis McKenzie cmcy...@gmail.comwrote: Hugh, count me in. A great way to end the summer. On Wednesday, July 31, 2013, hsmitham wrote: Ok I booked it cause I was afraid it would be gone! So I'm all the way in. Mike sorry you can't but this was short notice so I sort of expected this would happen with some. Anyway we can work on another date. Also I think it would great if we could all meet @ Doug's or the Metro Link station. Food for thought. ~Hugh On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:17:11 PM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote: I'd love to Hugh, but I'm on a backpacking trip that week. How about we do the Crystal Cove campground the next weekend. It's a primitive site so easy to get reservations. I'm all recovered from my crash, finally. ~mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/4mHdM9P2lK0/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Curtis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.
Not yet but it's only 30 miles so mid-afternoon gives plenty of time. When can you get here? dougP On Thursday, August 1, 2013 9:34:09 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote: Do you guys know what time the meetup for this ride will be on the Friday? -Jim W. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 1, 2013, at 8:33 PM, Hugh Smitham hughs...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Mitch, It was good to meet you and would enjoy your presence on this S240. Doug has a point, you can ride your bike for evening festivities then (with appropriate lighting) ride the mile or so to the Inn and reconvene for Breakfast. David mentioned a single track called the No Tools trail on the San Clemente Singletrack. It parallels Christianitos Rd though I don't know the distance ect... I know I'll be riding the 30 odd miles to camp so theoretically I could unload the Hilsen then do a short single track ride. As long as I have time to go swimming and of course daylight to cook or ride to town for a meal. I'd like to get a count of those joining for the ride down and meeting at Doug's. Hugh Sunland, Ca On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 7:56 PM, dougP doug...@cox.net javascript:wrote: Mitch: Just get on down here we'll make it happen. My interpretation of the S24O spirit is just to get out for an overnight break the routine. Camping gear is easy to borrow. Lodging is fine if it gets you away but you miss all the campfire fun. But, wait, yes, you have lights! You can hang out, cruise back to town (a whopping mile away) we'll see you for breakfast. dougP On Thursday, August 1, 2013 7:08:38 PM UTC-7, Mitch Browne wrote: Hugh, I don't have any camping gear but Tom's suggestion re: San Clemente Inn sounds interesting given it's only a mile away. Although I went through training at Camp Pendleton longer-ago-Than-I-care-to-**remember I don't know this area at all. Would this violate the S240 spirit? I did enjoy the brief visit up here last week with you, Evan, and omnipresent DougP. I'd have to see how this shakes out with the beginning of school. Mitch Browne San Luis Obispo, CA On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote: SoCal Rivesters, I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground near San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug P's home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could either meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or ride the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the site, a few options to choose from. Suggestions are welcome. Once there we can jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a good date before the Labor Day weekend. Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this moment so I need a count quick before I reserve it. Thanks for looking, ~Hugh -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/4mHdM9P2lK0/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.
David: Knobbies are not needed. Whew! I can come up with another tent. dougP On Thursday, August 1, 2013 10:44:45 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: I'm hoping to make it, should be a lot of fun. The singletrack I mentioned and encourage you all to ride is very doable with Riv-ish bikes. It starts pretty close to the San Mateo Campground's entrance. Knobbies are not needed. Does anyone have an extra 1P tent I could borrow? On 8/1/13, James Warren jimcw...@earthlink.net javascript: wrote: Gonna be tight. It all depends how much time our school admin wants to take requiring us to learn things in a mandatory meeting day. I may not make it down in time. So if you're counting heads, I have to say no. However, I'm gonna crash it if things work out. -Jim W. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 1, 2013, at 9:37 PM, dougP doug...@cox.net javascript: wrote: Meet point is in Irvine, close to I-5 Culver Dr, and the Tustin Metrolink station. From here it is nominally 30 miles to San Mateo so a mid-afternoon start gives plenty of time. So far looks like 4-5-6 (???). dougP On Thursday, August 1, 2013 8:33:24 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote: Mitch, It was good to meet you and would enjoy your presence on this S240. Doug has a point, you can ride your bike for evening festivities then (with appropriate lighting) ride the mile or so to the Inn and reconvene for Breakfast. David mentioned a single track called the No Tools trail on the San Clemente Singletrack. It parallels Christianitos Rd though I don't know the distance ect... I know I'll be riding the 30 odd miles to camp so theoretically I could unload the Hilsen then do a short single track ride. As long as I have time to go swimming and of course daylight to cook or ride to town for a meal. I'd like to get a count of those joining for the ride down and meeting at Doug's. Hugh Sunland, Ca On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 7:56 PM, dougP doug...@cox.net wrote: Mitch: Just get on down here we'll make it happen. My interpretation of the S24O spirit is just to get out for an overnight break the routine. Camping gear is easy to borrow. Lodging is fine if it gets you away but you miss all the campfire fun. But, wait, yes, you have lights! You can hang out, cruise back to town (a whopping mile away) we'll see you for breakfast. dougP On Thursday, August 1, 2013 7:08:38 PM UTC-7, Mitch Browne wrote: Hugh, I don't have any camping gear but Tom's suggestion re: San Clemente Inn sounds interesting given it's only a mile away. Although I went through training at Camp Pendleton longer-ago-Than-I-care-to-remember I don't know this area at all. Would this violate the S240 spirit? I did enjoy the brief visit up here last week with you, Evan, and omnipresent DougP. I'd have to see how this shakes out with the beginning of school. Mitch Browne San Luis Obispo, CA On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote: SoCal Rivesters, I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground near San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug P's home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could either meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or ride the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the site, a few options to choose from. Suggestions are welcome. Once there we can jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a good date before the Labor Day weekend. Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this moment so I need a count quick before I reserve it. Thanks for looking, ~Hugh -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/4mHdM9P2lK0/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. --
Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.
Jim: See about your schedule we can work it out. Southbound in the afternoon has good service so you could park at Tustin (huge parking structure) take a southbound to Laguna Niguel, or San Juan. We can figure it out once you get your schedule firmed up. dougP On Thursday, August 1, 2013 11:16:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote: Jim, At the least you can drive down and hang with us or perhaps take a later train to San Clemente which is a 5 mile ride to San Mateo Campground, then we'll ride the single track, swim, eat and carry on about Rivendell bikes. Hugh Sunland, Ca On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 10:31 PM, James Warren jimcw...@earthlink.netjavascript: wrote: Gonna be tight. It all depends how much time our school admin wants to take requiring us to learn things in a mandatory meeting day. I may not make it down in time. So if you're counting heads, I have to say no. However, I'm gonna crash it if things work out. -Jim W. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 1, 2013, at 9:37 PM, dougP doug...@cox.net javascript: wrote: Meet point is in Irvine, close to I-5 Culver Dr, and the Tustin Metrolink station. From here it is nominally 30 miles to San Mateo so a mid-afternoon start gives plenty of time. So far looks like 4-5-6 (???). dougP On Thursday, August 1, 2013 8:33:24 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote: Mitch, It was good to meet you and would enjoy your presence on this S240. Doug has a point, you can ride your bike for evening festivities then (with appropriate lighting) ride the mile or so to the Inn and reconvene for Breakfast. David mentioned a single track called the No Tools trail on the San Clemente Singletrack. It parallels Christianitos Rd though I don't know the distance ect... I know I'll be riding the 30 odd miles to camp so theoretically I could unload the Hilsen then do a short single track ride. As long as I have time to go swimming and of course daylight to cook or ride to town for a meal. I'd like to get a count of those joining for the ride down and meeting at Doug's. Hugh Sunland, Ca On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 7:56 PM, dougP doug...@cox.net wrote: Mitch: Just get on down here we'll make it happen. My interpretation of the S24O spirit is just to get out for an overnight break the routine. Camping gear is easy to borrow. Lodging is fine if it gets you away but you miss all the campfire fun. But, wait, yes, you have lights! You can hang out, cruise back to town (a whopping mile away) we'll see you for breakfast. dougP On Thursday, August 1, 2013 7:08:38 PM UTC-7, Mitch Browne wrote: Hugh, I don't have any camping gear but Tom's suggestion re: San Clemente Inn sounds interesting given it's only a mile away. Although I went through training at Camp Pendleton longer-ago-Than-I-care-to-**reme**mber I don't know this area at all. Would this violate the S240 spirit? I did enjoy the brief visit up here last week with you, Evan, and omnipresent DougP. I'd have to see how this shakes out with the beginning of school. Mitch Browne San Luis Obispo, CA On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote: SoCal Rivesters, I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground near San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug P's home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could either meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or ride the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the site, a few options to choose from. Suggestions are welcome. Once there we can jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a good date before the Labor Day weekend. Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this moment so I need a count quick before I reserve it. Thanks for looking, ~Hugh -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/** topic/rbw-owners-bunch/**4mHdM9P2lK0/unsubscribehttps://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/4mHdM9P2lK0/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@**googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.**com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/rbw-owners-bunchhttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_outhttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: .
Re: [RBW] Route from Ashland/Medford OR to Pacific Coast
Thanks! That's perfect. On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Joan Oppel oppel...@verizon.net wrote: Anne - this is an article I found when I was researching the exact same route. For various reasons, I'm doing a different trip but saved the article. I just found another article I saved, this one is written by a motorcyclist but describes the same road. I have a friend who lives in Ashland and have driven with her through GRants Pass, then south into California and then to the coast and north into Oregon for a visit to the coast. She says that's the quickest way to the coast for her. Both articles attached here. Joan On 08/02/13, Anne Paulsonanne.paul...@gmail.com wrote: Riv peeps, Can any Oregon Rivster help me with a good route from Ashland, OR to the Pacific Coast? This is part of a tour where, once we get to the coast, we'll ride on California's Lost Coast, so I'm open to good fire roads as well as paved roads. We'll be riding in mid-September. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree
Majority of the conversation seems to be coming from Bay Area and PNW in that regard. Ahhh I'd have suggested Los Angeles but I just figured Hollywood and Vine would be to gritty... then again maybe some would like a Riv urban jamboree, we could do the home of the stars tour. Did I just do a Steve P. thing there? Seriously, most of the suggestions are on my top 5 list of places to ride a bike, I tend to favor the PNW, and PDX seems like a reasonable place as any, hint, hint, PDXers get ready to make a strong bid... but any of the a fore mentioned locations work for this Riv-rider, Bellingham works and Franklyn's description of the the San Juan islands sounds ideal, San Francisco no problem you want places to ride this is where bikes like ours were born and breed. And the idea of Colorado well after seeing Deacon's photographs...this is fun! ~Hugh -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Bike Choice
I never went to my LBS this time to buy a bike. I'd not ridden a bike for about 10 years due to my brain injury, though every now and again I'd foolishly hop on my wife's Dahon folder (I have constant neurological vertigo due to damage in my brain stem). One day, after going barefoot or moccasined for three years (which opened up being able to walk, hike, and run without sticks for the first time since 2002) I tried the folder again. Success! I could ride to .2 of a mile without my brain shorting out. Gadzooks! What if the bike fit me, what material would be best? How could I test out my best thoughts at answers without breaking the bank? I connected with a bike ministry in our area and they let me try out a few bikes. Steel definitely. But I was only able ride 3 miles on the China Schwinn cross bike. It felt fairly swimmy. After reading a lot and searching, I discovered Rivendell and Grant. We talked. He thought I was nuts (not wrong) but I somehow convinced him that his bike would not be the instant finishing of the job that's been started on my noggin. I don't track milage, but days of fun on the bike over the last 16 months of having my Hunqapillar have been over 300 I'd guess. I can't (yet) run errands with it much (too much stimulation in towns and shops), but it is how I make it through town quickly to the trailhead to escape the regular noise or run the trails. It's opened up backcountry travel for me again (I can't carry weight above my waist), and I've have grand tours of the Great Divide Mountain Bike Trail and the Colorado Trail and other backcountry singletrack and roads. It's opened up backcountry touring with my family. As near as I can tell because the attention Grant pays to every design and manufacturing detail, the quality, the lugs, and how they transfer the energy of the bike on the earth to the rider (I use proprioception through my feet and hands and rear to know where I am in space, though my brain hasn't a clue) is so qualitatively different that riding this bike helps my brain recover -- I just have to be doing well enough to hop on it and go (not always easy to come by). With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, August 1, 2013 10:27:08 AM UTC-6, LeahFoy wrote: In reading the thread about bike fit, I was reminded about another closely related topic: choosing a bike. I was in the market for a new bike, and after a lifetime of Target bikes, a REAL bike from an LBS seemed like a lofty goal. I hit the only LBS with a brand name I recognized - Trek. Though my money was as good as anyone else's, I was treated like a nuisance and not a paying customer. The guys in lycra with carbon drop-bar bikes were revered and respected as they clicked their way through the store. I was immediately steered to their basic 1.0 model of the comfort Navigator line in a remote corner of the store. They quoted me a price of several hundred dollars and left me to think it over. I left the shop feeling confused. I was willing to spend several hundred bucks but had only been given a curt introduction to the bike. I had no idea why they felt it was 'the' bike for me, and I wasn't even sure I liked how the bike felt. Was it really an improvement over my Target Schwinn? I hit Craigslist and found a Trek 7.6FX for sale. I bought it, and it was the nicest riding bike I'd ever had. But I was left with this nagging annoyance at being leaned forward with too much weight on my hands. i couldn't look up at the gorgeous bike path scenery. I was also very limited in my terrain, due to the skinny, high pressure tires on the bike. I had to tell my boys 'no' every time they asked to take a dirt road. I hit the internet, specifically a women's biking forum, who insisted that flat bars were horrid and drop bars were what I needed. I kept thinking (almost shamefully) that my upright bars on my old Target bike would be more comfortable, but I banished the thought because one isn't taken seriously when one prefers upright bars. The Specialized Ruby was being recommended over and over again. Its relaxed geometry and those comfortable drop bars were repeated like a mantra to me. I visited the Specialized LBS, who raved about the comfort of the Ruby. I wanted a bike that would pull a tag-along, and that I could put a rack on so I could haul stuff. People looked at me funny. They didn't know how any of that would jive with the bike. But they still sung the praises of the carbon Ruby. By now, I had gotten addicted to riding all over town to my son's school, on errands, and for pleasure. As the bike became more and more important to me, I got ready to make a purchase. I was THIS CLOSE to buying the carbon drop-bar bike because I believed the experts that this was a fantastic and comfortable bike that I would just LOVE. They knew what I wanted the bike for, and of my complaints of weight on hands, etc, and yet they arrived at this
[RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.
Count me in. I'm becoming a fan of these scheduled mental health breaks. -ES -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: New Atlantis Build
I should never click on links to look at Atlanti - always makes me want to buy! Beautiful. How do you like that gravity rack that you are using for the wall of rivs? I just moved to smaller apartment and am not sure what to do about bike storage, and have seen these get decent reviews. Please let me know if you like it! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: New Atlantis Build
Kristy: Thanks for tire size info. I think that size is fine. Many of my friends with 26 wheels tour on 1-1/2 to 1-3/4 tires with good result. I've only recently been able to move my wife onto 1-1/2 tires on her Atlantis. She had 1-1/4 did not want to change anything but 1-1/4 look so skinny it made me nervous. I really like Schwalbe but we compromised on the Compass tire due its lighter weight. We live in a dry climate so neither of us have fenders. When I got my Atlantis 10+ years ago I said I would install fenders next time we got a wet winter. Hasn't happened so far. People I know with fenders seem to like the SKS and the Longboards that Rivendell sells. Jones bars are really intriguing. I hope they work out, look forward to hearing about them. dougP On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 6:36:57 AM UTC-7, kmcmoobud wrote: Doug, The tires are 26x1.6. I advocated for fatter tires to start with, but I lost that one! We'll be sure to post a review of the H-Bars after some longer rides. Weather permitting, the bike is going fishing this weekend so we'll get a chance to see how it handles the fire roads. Do you have fenders on your Atlantis? If so, what are you using? Thanks! Kristy On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:11:46 PM UTC-4, dougP wrote: Kristy: What size tires are those? Also, let us know how the Jones bars work out. I'm musing on changing bars on my Atlantis. dougP On Sunday, July 28, 2013 6:22:32 PM UTC-7, kmcmoobud wrote: Hi, I just finished building up my partner's new Atlantis, which we purchased from listserv member Pepe. We took it out for a test ride and had an unfortunate encounter with chain suck. The first scratch of many, I suppose. We picked a mix of components to make the bike flexible enough to tour, keep up (mostly) during shorter road/group rides, and most importantly, to carry my trout-fishing obsessed partner to the harder to reach blue line fishing streams where the native brookies tend to hide.The build list link is included with the pictures, which are found here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/surlybvisits/sets/72157634826315045/ Racks, fenders, and a few other small items to be added when we find the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, which, if there is any bike can get us there, this is the one! Oh, and a big shout out to Steve Cheers with Mountain Sports Limitedhttp://mountainsportsltd.com/for listening to us go on and on and on about the build! Visit these guys if you can. Happy riding, Kristy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.
Excellent! So we're at 6-7 now? Looking good. dougP On Friday, August 2, 2013 6:47:08 PM UTC-7, Evan Spacht wrote: Count me in. I'm becoming a fan of these scheduled mental health breaks. -ES -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Choice
One of the most successful branches of a chain shop here in So Cal is run by a woman. Her unofficial title is the Queen of Fit because she takes the time to work thru fit issues with women so that they're comfortable and will enjoy the bike, not ride it 2X stick it in the garage. She doesn't do anything a guy couldn't do; she just asks questions, pays attention to the answers gives the customer what they want. What a novel concept! An older gal I know wanted a new bike (after 30 years) something light so she could load it in the car, etc. She got her bike at this shop - carbon fiber race bike with flat bars, stem extension to bring the bars up, MTB brake levers shifters, cushy seat, flat pedals. She's comfortable loves the bike. It can be done. dougP On Friday, August 2, 2013 7:47:48 AM UTC-7, LeahFoy wrote: How true! I had caught the bike bug pretty bad, so I persevered. ;). I'm so glad I found Betty; I love even just looking at her. I smile EVERY time I run out to the garage and glance her way. We girls aren't going to be able to be ignored in bike shops much longer - there are tons of women's cycling blogs and women getting into bikes, period. I think we'll be seeing more ladies who know what they are in the market for, and will be in stores to buy it. The LBS that ignores them will watch his competitor grow. Especially exciting to me is the rise of the urban female commuter. The trend is to use your bike and look darling doing it. I can get on board with that! I hope you and your wife found an LBS that works great for you. Ride on! Sent from my iPhone On Aug 1, 2013, at 11:38 PM, cyclotourist cyclot...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Leah, I'm glad those negative experiences didn't turn you off of cycling completely! Then you would have never found your Betty!!! My wife had an unfortunately similar experience picking up parts at a LBS. She stood around for 15 min waiting to get helped while all the bros yacked it up. We don't give that shop our money any more. On 8/1/13, dougP doug...@cox.net javascript: wrote: In both instances those employees were just plain rude. That behavior is inexcusable. Good on you for walking away voting with your wallet elsewhere. How many people want to start riding but need help selecting an affordable, appropriate bike to get started, encounter this sort of attitude, and decide biking seems pretty snobbish; I'll look into something else? dougP On Thursday, August 1, 2013 11:07:36 AM UTC-7, LeahFoy wrote: Also, there is a certain attitude one often encounters in some shops. My sister and her husband lived downtown in a big city when her husband was going through law school. He used a bicycle to get around, and one day, it needed some repair work. Heather took the bike in to the shop, and will never forget being made to feel so small. The employee looked down his nose at that silver Target Schwinn, and said, We can fix it, but you know there's only so much you can do to a bike like that. It won't ever ride as well as. and then droned on about the nicer bikes for sale in his shop. She was so upset because at that time, that was the best they could afford, and they weren't there to be told how crappy their bike was; they were there for a simple repair. When my boys were ready for upgrades on their little bikes, I started out back at the Trek store. (I asked Riv if they had a kids' bike to recommend, and they really didn't.) I wheeled the little 16 in Trek Jet to the counter and waited. There was one other customer in the whole store and 3-4 employees working. I stood at that counter for almost 20 minutes. They joked with each other, and paid attention to the lycra-clad male customer in the store, but they ignored me, my 4 year old Lincoln and our little bike. I could have called someone over, but since I was standing in plain sight and knew they had seen me, I didn't. Finally, I slowly wheeled the little bike back and left the store. No one said a word to me. I drove straight to the Specialized store, where they greeted us warmly, and purchased the Lincoln's Hotrock for more money. On Thursday, August 1, 2013 10:39:08 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote: comfortable, useful, efficient, fast - I'm sorry, you'll have to pick one - we don't have a pigeonhole for that. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit
[RBW] Re: Bike Choice
Given enough time, enough miles, enough bikes, all roads leads to Rivendell. dougP (no serious bike shopping since the Atlantis arrived) On Friday, August 2, 2013 5:41:26 PM UTC-7, LeahFoy wrote: Honestly, it has been so fun reading everyone's stories - even the negative ones - because each story ends happily: with a Riv. On Thursday, August 1, 2013 9:27:08 AM UTC-7, LeahFoy wrote: In reading the thread about bike fit, I was reminded about another closely related topic: choosing a bike. I was in the market for a new bike, and after a lifetime of Target bikes, a REAL bike from an LBS seemed like a lofty goal. I hit the only LBS with a brand name I recognized - Trek. Though my money was as good as anyone else's, I was treated like a nuisance and not a paying customer. The guys in lycra with carbon drop-bar bikes were revered and respected as they clicked their way through the store. I was immediately steered to their basic 1.0 model of the comfort Navigator line in a remote corner of the store. They quoted me a price of several hundred dollars and left me to think it over. I left the shop feeling confused. I was willing to spend several hundred bucks but had only been given a curt introduction to the bike. I had no idea why they felt it was 'the' bike for me, and I wasn't even sure I liked how the bike felt. Was it really an improvement over my Target Schwinn? I hit Craigslist and found a Trek 7.6FX for sale. I bought it, and it was the nicest riding bike I'd ever had. But I was left with this nagging annoyance at being leaned forward with too much weight on my hands. i couldn't look up at the gorgeous bike path scenery. I was also very limited in my terrain, due to the skinny, high pressure tires on the bike. I had to tell my boys 'no' every time they asked to take a dirt road. I hit the internet, specifically a women's biking forum, who insisted that flat bars were horrid and drop bars were what I needed. I kept thinking (almost shamefully) that my upright bars on my old Target bike would be more comfortable, but I banished the thought because one isn't taken seriously when one prefers upright bars. The Specialized Ruby was being recommended over and over again. Its relaxed geometry and those comfortable drop bars were repeated like a mantra to me. I visited the Specialized LBS, who raved about the comfort of the Ruby. I wanted a bike that would pull a tag-along, and that I could put a rack on so I could haul stuff. People looked at me funny. They didn't know how any of that would jive with the bike. But they still sung the praises of the carbon Ruby. By now, I had gotten addicted to riding all over town to my son's school, on errands, and for pleasure. As the bike became more and more important to me, I got ready to make a purchase. I was THIS CLOSE to buying the carbon drop-bar bike because I believed the experts that this was a fantastic and comfortable bike that I would just LOVE. They knew what I wanted the bike for, and of my complaints of weight on hands, etc, and yet they arrived at this conclusion. They were totally ok with me shelling out almost 2k for a bike that would be ill-suited to my needs. One night I did an Amazon search of books on cycling. Grant Petersen's book lit up my screen. I saw a bike with upright bars on the cover. I saw lots of stars in the book reviews. I bought the book. Suddenly, the heavens opened and choirs of angels began to sing! He was talking about RACKS, and upright bars, and kickstands, and all manner of practical things that would aid me in using the bike around town! I went to his website, and as a lover of literature/writing myself, I was totally taken with him and his brand. I knew gold when I found it; and it was Rivendell. Shortly after, I cut some household expenses, sold the Trek (for more than I bought it for, BTW), and asked Keven if he had a Betty for me. He found one, had it built within a week, and my family jumped in the van to make the 5 hour trek to Riv HQ. I love my bike. It's exactly what I needed, and even what I WANTED. It's pretty, it's useful, and it's reliable. I shudder when I think of the nightmare that would have been pulling a tag-along on a drop bar carbon Ruby. Maybe some of you do that, but it would have been all wrong for me. And the point of my story is that nobody in the LBS stores cared that it was. I was excruciatingly specific in what kind of cyclist I was, but they still recommended a bike that was ill-suited for me. I'm so glad I have my Rivendell Betty Foy. Anyone else have a similar story? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.
This is starting to shape up to be something too good to miss. In am going to really try to reshuffle some professional obligations and make it happen. After all, it is S24O. There must be some time I can find. Barring any passage problems on Camp Pendleton, I would be riding up from Del Mar in the early evening to San Mateo. I think it is really nice of Hugh to propose this. Best regards, Tom On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote: SoCal Rivesters, I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground near San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug P's home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could either meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or ride the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the site, a few options to choose from. Suggestions are welcome. Once there we can jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a good date before the Labor Day weekend. Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this moment so I need a count quick before I reserve it. Thanks for looking, ~Hugh -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.
Doug Thanks for the train advice. I just need to know an approximate time for getting into Irvine. I don't mind arriving early and pedaling around Irvine for a bit. This will be a blast. On Friday, August 2, 2013, dougP wrote: Curtis: When you book your ticket on the Surfliner, remember to add a bike. There's no charge but you need a bike reservation. There are only 6 per train (yeh, the whole train!) to book early, especially on a weekend in summer. An added wrinkle I ran into on the NorCal / SoCal event was not every train is set up for bikes to roll on. I had to remove my panniers hand the bike up to the conductor in the baggage car. The bike is fastened to a rack in the car but you're not allowed in. Look forward to seeing you on the ride. The Irvine station is on the route south, about 6 miles from my house. Another option you may consider is taking the Coaster to Oceanside hopping onto Metrolink north. If you do that, go to Tustin (Amtrak does not stop at Tustin). dougP On Thursday, August 1, 2013 8:40:19 PM UTC-7, Curtis wrote: Hi, I would like to take the train from San Diego to Irvine and ride down with the group. I will check the Amtrak schedule. On Thursday, August 1, 2013, Hugh Smitham wrote: Curtis, Awesome! Glad to have you in on this one. Best, Hugh Sunland, Ca On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 6:02 PM, Curtis McKenzie cmcy...@gmail.comwrote: Hugh, count me in. A great way to end the summer. On Wednesday, July 31, 2013, hsmitham wrote: Ok I booked it cause I was afraid it would be gone! So I'm all the way in. Mike sorry you can't but this was short notice so I sort of expected this would happen with some. Anyway we can work on another date. Also I think it would great if we could all meet @ Doug's or the Metro Link station. Food for thought. ~Hugh On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:17:11 PM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote: I'd love to Hugh, but I'm on a backpacking trip that week. How about we do the Crystal Cove campground the next weekend. It's a primitive site so easy to get reservations. I'm all recovered from my crash, finally. ~mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.**com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/rbw-owners-bunchhttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_outhttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/** topic/rbw-owners-bunch/**4mHdM9P2lK0/unsubscribehttps://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/4mHdM9P2lK0/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.**com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/rbw-owners-bunchhttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_outhttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.**com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/rbw-owners-bunchhttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_outhttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out . -- Curtis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.c -- Curtis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.
What time is the estimated meet up time in Tustin/Irvine? I'm working that day, so later is better. I might have to meet up in SC. On 8/2/13, Tom Virgil tevir...@gmail.com wrote: This is starting to shape up to be something too good to miss. In am going to really try to reshuffle some professional obligations and make it happen. After all, it is S24O. There must be some time I can find. Barring any passage problems on Camp Pendleton, I would be riding up from Del Mar in the early evening to San Mateo. I think it is really nice of Hugh to propose this. Best regards, Tom On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote: SoCal Rivesters, I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground near San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug P's home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could either meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or ride the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the site, a few options to choose from. Suggestions are welcome. Once there we can jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a good date before the Labor Day weekend. Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this moment so I need a count quick before I reserve it. Thanks for looking, ~Hugh -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.
Tom, Hope you can make it. As Grant puts it a S240 is a quick not too many logistical issues involved affair, and even if there are issues it's just an overnight the next day were all back to civilization. But yes it is shaping up nicely. I hope to put more of these together and try to bring more SoCal Riv riders together and not let the NorCalers have all the fun. As Evan put it, it's nice to have a mental health day. Best. Hugh Sunland, Ca On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Tom Virgil tevir...@gmail.com wrote: This is starting to shape up to be something too good to miss. In am going to really try to reshuffle some professional obligations and make it happen. After all, it is S24O. There must be some time I can find. Barring any passage problems on Camp Pendleton, I would be riding up from Del Mar in the early evening to San Mateo. I think it is really nice of Hugh to propose this. Best regards, Tom On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote: SoCal Rivesters, I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground near San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug P's home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could either meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or ride the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the site, a few options to choose from. Suggestions are welcome. Once there we can jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a good date before the Labor Day weekend. Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this moment so I need a count quick before I reserve it. Thanks for looking, ~Hugh -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/4mHdM9P2lK0/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.
I think we can shoot for 4 pm or so. Lets get some feedback on depart time. If Jim can make it then it needs to be later. Jim what time will work for you or do you want to opt out on this part and figure as you put it to crash the event. I'll probably get down early and ride around Irvine and visit with Doug, so perhaps Curtis we'll meet up. Best, Hugh Sunland, Ca On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:48 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: What time is the estimated meet up time in Tustin/Irvine? I'm working that day, so later is better. I might have to meet up in SC. On 8/2/13, Tom Virgil tevir...@gmail.com wrote: This is starting to shape up to be something too good to miss. In am going to really try to reshuffle some professional obligations and make it happen. After all, it is S24O. There must be some time I can find. Barring any passage problems on Camp Pendleton, I would be riding up from Del Mar in the early evening to San Mateo. I think it is really nice of Hugh to propose this. Best regards, Tom On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote: SoCal Rivesters, I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground near San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug P's home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could either meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or ride the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the site, a few options to choose from. Suggestions are welcome. Once there we can jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a good date before the Labor Day weekend. Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this moment so I need a count quick before I reserve it. Thanks for looking, ~Hugh -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/4mHdM9P2lK0/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: s240 Mt Tam (Paging Mike Allen)
Just to confirm Mt.Tam Bike S240. Meeting around 11ish around at Pier 1. OR Meet us along the way. General route info. Fairly simple Pier 1 to Mt.Tam Pantol. http://goo.gl/maps/16sJe Ride home should be nice http://goo.gl/maps/ypfHy PM if you plan on meeting us along the way I'll try to coordinate from the phone shindig. -Manny -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
