[RBW] Japan?

2013-08-24 Thread Christopher Chen
Any Riv'ers in Japan or with touring experience they'd like to share? I've been thinking about going for some time now. cc -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To

[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto Soba Handlebars

2013-08-24 Thread Johnny Alien
I am still semi looking for a pair of these. I am OK with using the Noodles I have if I can't find a set but would prefer the Soba. Like I said I have a brand new set of noodles to trade plus some cash or will buy them straight up!! On Monday, June 24, 2013 10:57:18 PM UTC-4, Johnny Alien

[RBW] Laptop carriage

2013-08-24 Thread Patrick Moore
I traded my Bike Bureau last year after having it sit in my garage for a year or more unused. Now I am back in a position where I have to carry a large and heavy -- 17 -- MacBook Pro 11 miles each way (my house and my mother's house). I know I can simply wrap it in a thick towel -- or make my own

Re: [RBW] VO Touring Hub vs XT?

2013-08-24 Thread Brian Campbell
+1 on this. The XT's have been my go to hub for wheel build etc. On Thursday, August 22, 2013 3:52:34 PM UTC-4, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: With respect to Alex Wetmore, I personally find this kind of blanket condemnation based on a single example to be both misleading and irritating

[RBW] FS For Sale VO/Brooks/Carradice/White Industries

2013-08-24 Thread Trevor saxton
So I have a potential buyer for my Roadeo and now will be cleaning out my bike room, this is almost everything I will have some Paul Racers and a rear hub to still photograph but then I am done, Here is the list with prices. All Parts are nearly new and represent over a years worth of

[RBW] Grips for Albatross Bars

2013-08-24 Thread Mike
I recently replaced my Ergon grips on my Surly Open Bar with the ESI Extra Chunky grips. They're great and actually feel better on my hands than the Ergons. Next time I mount up the Albatross bars I'll likely use these. You could probably cut a groove in them if you're using BE shifters with

[RBW] Stolen Rivendell, Toronto area?

2013-08-24 Thread Marc D
Hi all, Have a look at this: Sketchy as hell. http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-sell-bikes-frames-parts-Rivendell-Bike-Frame-Fork-1250-Mint-Condition-Yellow-W0QQAdIdZ514127894 If you've had a Sam or Homer stolen, maybe it's yours ... Good luck Marc -- You received this message because you

[RBW] Re: Grips for Albatross Bars

2013-08-24 Thread Deacon Patrick
Something about silicon reminds me of grabbing hold a squid in rigger. I just don't find it a pleasant experience. It's too squishy (not enough feedback from the bars) and unbreathable. What's the attraction? Now cork, cotton tape, and some shellac, I'm a happy lad. With abandon, Patrick On

[RBW] Hello from Gila Country!

2013-08-24 Thread Nils Eng
I've been a long-time lurker on this forum and finally whacked up the ginger to say hello. My name is Nils, I live in Southern New Mexico, and I've greatly enjoyed reading and following all of the various exploits and topics of conversation. I was fortunate enough to buy a Sam H. from Tom

[RBW] Re: Grips for Albatross Bars

2013-08-24 Thread Mike
On Saturday, August 24, 2013 8:45:26 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote: What's the attraction? On Saturday, August 24, 2013 8:35:33 AM UTC-6, Mike wrote: They're great and actually feel better on my hands than the Ergons. They're also easier to mount. Jeff Jones recommends them and that to

[RBW] Re: Grips for Albatross Bars

2013-08-24 Thread Deacon Patrick
Glad they work for you! With abandon, Patrick On Saturday, August 24, 2013 9:59:56 AM UTC-6, Mike wrote: On Saturday, August 24, 2013 8:45:26 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote: What's the attraction? On Saturday, August 24, 2013 8:35:33 AM UTC-6, Mike wrote: They're great and

Re: [RBW] Re: Recommendations for Saddle Bag--mostly for books

2013-08-24 Thread Christopher Chen
Thanks Tom! I love the thinking that went into this hack. From the safety loop to the grab ziptie. Excellent! cc On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 2:52 AM, Tom Harrop twhar...@gmail.com wrote: OK, here 'tis. You can see I've used a piece of string to stop the cord slipping out, and a few centimetres

[RBW] Re: Hello from Gila Country!

2013-08-24 Thread Kellie Stapleton
I don't post much but read daily. Welcome! On Saturday, August 24, 2013 8:50:07 AM UTC-7, Nils Eng wrote: I've been a long-time lurker on this forum and finally whacked up the ginger to say hello. My name is Nils, I live in Southern New Mexico, and I've greatly enjoyed reading and

[RBW] Re: Hello from Gila Country!

2013-08-24 Thread Deacon Patrick
Welcome Nils. That's some beautiful country you have to ride in. With abandon, Patrick On Saturday, August 24, 2013 9:50:07 AM UTC-6, Nils Eng wrote: I've been a long-time lurker on this forum and finally whacked up the ginger to say hello. My name is Nils, I live in Southern New Mexico,

[RBW] Re: Grips for Albatross Bars

2013-08-24 Thread Mike
For what it's worth, Jeff is a fan of cork grips and stocks those: *Grips * I stock cork grips (130mm long and 35.5mm thick in the middle) – these are very light at 26 grams a pair and firm yet shock absorbing. They are covered on the ends to keep water out and best when used in combination

[RBW] Re: Santa Cruz Mountains S24O - Monday (yes!) Sept. 2nd.

2013-08-24 Thread Way Rebb
I might be able to make this. I have the week off and am heading down to Big Sur. I'll be riding into Santa Cruz from Half Moon Bay on Monday. New Brighton sounds good or somewhere along the coast. -Ray On Wednesday, August 21, 2013 3:29:32 PM UTC-7, Andrew Letton wrote: Hello Friends,

[RBW] Re: Stolen Rivendell, Toronto area?

2013-08-24 Thread Michael
You could ask for SN and proof of purchase. If none available, you could talk to his Dad and then confirm with RBW that they sold it to him. But looks like it needs a new paint job for sure. The headset looks Rivish. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google

Re: [RBW] VO Touring Hub vs XT?

2013-08-24 Thread Tony DeFilippo
Excellent discussion, I appreciate so many strong and well informed answers! As tempting as it is to splurge on a Phil/Son duo I'm going to go for utility/economy with the following; Shimano DH-3D72 Dyno (it's centerlock but I can't find 36 holes any other way... thats not a problem right?)

[RBW] Re: Hello from Gila Country!

2013-08-24 Thread Liesl
Welcome, Nils! I love it when lurkers come out from behind cacti! -Riv Chica Warrior -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: Custom Appaloosa Update

2013-08-24 Thread William
Best picture ever On Saturday, August 24, 2013 10:50:16 AM UTC-7, Liesl wrote: Design away the top tube. If you get the twin transect right you have plenty of structural support. We have mixtes, love'em. Ah, I had quite a bit of discussion on this very point while I was at Riv! I've

Re: [RBW] VO Touring Hub vs XT?

2013-08-24 Thread Garth
Tony , XT Silver, Front and Rear 36 hole :) http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/us/en/shimano-xt-front-hub-t780/rp-prod67245 http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/us/en/shimano-xt-rear-hub-t780/rp-prod67242 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners

Re: [RBW] VO Touring Hub vs XT?

2013-08-24 Thread Tony DeFilippo
Garth that's exactly the one that I found!! I'm getting a dyno for the front.. :) On Saturday, August 24, 2013 3:08:39 PM UTC-4, Garth wrote: Tony , XT Silver, Front and Rear 36 hole :) http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/us/en/shimano-xt-front-hub-t780/rp-prod67245

[RBW] Saddle Adjustment

2013-08-24 Thread Kellie Stapleton
Am I doing something wrong? I have a Brooks B17 and I'd like to slide it further back but the rails of the saddle narrow. It won't slide any further and right now my knees are directly above the pedal. Seems strange.saddle post the Kalloy that use to come with Rivendell build kits. --

[RBW] Saddle Adjustment

2013-08-24 Thread NWAJack
B17s can be hard for some people to get far enough back for sure. Riv and velo orange both sell one with more setback if needed. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from

[RBW] Fender/Tire Clearance w/ the Pass and Stow front Rack?

2013-08-24 Thread jphillip...@me.com
Hi, Could anyone tell me what the maximum front tire/ fender clearance is for the Pass Stow rack? I went to mount the Nitto Big Front rack on my 54cm Hunqapillar, and I found I don't have enough room to clear my 55mm Big Bens and the fender. I could just go with adding the PlatRack, but

[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Rambouillet 50cm

2013-08-24 Thread Christopher Murray
Hello All! Sorry for the post with no pictures- family visiting and didn't have a chance. I dont know what to say except this is a great opportunity to get a basically brand new complete Ram for less than the price of a Rodeo frame. I need to sell this to fund a new project- a baby!!! I

[RBW] Re: Fender/Tire Clearance w/ the Pass and Stow front Rack?

2013-08-24 Thread Minh
John, Pictures of how you're trying to mount the big front? I have one, and can't see how you're short on clearance, i have tons! On Saturday, August 24, 2013 4:16:50 PM UTC-4, jphil...@me.com wrote: Hi, Could anyone tell me what the maximum front tire/ fender clearance is for the Pass

[RBW] Re: Mark's Hub Area Rack

2013-08-24 Thread jphillip...@me.com
Has there been any more news about these? A pair of HAB racks just might solve my front rack problems. Thanks, John On Monday, January 28, 2013 4:23:03 PM UTC-8, Marty wrote: Updated photo on the email I just got. Looks great! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto Racks, Nitto Bars, Rawland Bike

2013-08-24 Thread jandrews_nyc
Hi Justin I don't think your email link is working what is your address? thanks Jason On Friday, August 23, 2013 11:59:12 AM UTC-4, justin...@gmail.com wrote: If that crankset is still available hit me up off-list! justin...@gmail.com javascript: -J -- You received this message because

[RBW] Re: Fender/Tire Clearance w/ the Pass and Stow front Rack?

2013-08-24 Thread jphillip...@me.com
Hi Minh, I was going to mount the Big Front rack just as shown in the Riv video, but I would need more than 15 1/4 to clear my front fender. Measuring the Nitto BF rack, I have a maximum of 14 7/8 from the lower eyelet to the underside of the top of the rack. Thanks, John On Saturday,

[RBW] Saddle Adjustment

2013-08-24 Thread velomann
I use a Thompson setback post to ride my B17 on my Soma Double Cross. Only way I can get it where I want. Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email

[RBW] Re: Request for Advice: Portland to Mount Vernon via Astoria, Olympic Peninsula, and Whidbey Island

2013-08-24 Thread Lynne Fitz
Portland to Astoria is pretty easy. This perm has the roads hooked together to get to Birkenfeld; you just keep going on Hwy 202, and you will be in Astoria. reverse mi 64.2 to Skyline. Coming out of PDX, I'd recommend going up through Washington Park on SW Kingston, turning R on SW Knights

Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Rambouillet 50cm

2013-08-24 Thread Patrick Moore
I'd say that $1,750 for a baby is a pretty good deal. I've got one myself (tho' she turned 12 recently, much to my surprise) and she is definitely worth it, tho' annoying at times. Since professional packing and shipping will run $150 or so, I'd say $1,600 is a great deal for a great bike. I love

[RBW] Re: [BOB] Re: Laptop carriage

2013-08-24 Thread Patrick Moore
That would be ideal -- except for the price! But it may be worth it. I see from looking at the Will my laptop fit? page that mine, at 16.5 wide and 1.5 deep, will just make it (measurements taken with machine in padded sleeve). Any options at half that price? On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 11:08 AM,

[RBW] Re: Saddle Adjustment

2013-08-24 Thread hangtownmatt
Your knees should be over the pedal spindle at 3:00. On Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:34:46 PM UTC-7, Kellie Stapleton wrote: Am I doing something wrong? I have a Brooks B17 and I'd like to slide it further back but the rails of the saddle narrow. It won't slide any further and right now my

Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Rambouillet 50cm

2013-08-24 Thread Christopher Murray
Thanks Patrick. The bike is stock as it came from Rivendell- a mix of nitto and higer end shimano(ultegra mostly). This bike has 26 inch wheels like small bikes should IMO. The saddle was put on quickly for a short ride and that was it- it wasn't ridden again. Grad school, baby, work, and

Re: [RBW] Re: Saddle Adjustment

2013-08-24 Thread Patrick Moore
Whoa, wait a minute! KOPS (= Knee Over Pedal Spindle) is a good place to start a fitting, in the absence of any other general rule, but (as GK Chesterton said, paraphrasing) laws are made to be broken. I prefer this: http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/fitting.htm And this (Sheldon and K

Re: [RBW] Hello from Gila Country!

2013-08-24 Thread Patrick Moore
Welcome, from a more northerly New Mexican (ABQ). Where in NM are you? Las Cruces? And there is a statute that demands photos from each newly outed Riv owner. Please produce! On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Nils Eng n...@silvercca.org wrote: I've been a long-time lurker on this forum and

[RBW] SoCal Rivsters San Clemente S24O

2013-08-24 Thread David Yu Greenblatt
It happened: http://flic.kr/s/aHsjHHwVr6 And it was fun. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To

[RBW] Re: Fender/Tire Clearance w/ the Pass and Stow front Rack?

2013-08-24 Thread John Stowe
As best i can measure, the P/S rack on my Sam has 15 of clearance from the center of the wheel. 3/4 of this is due to the eyelet being above the axle. -John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and

[RBW] Re: SoCal Rivsters San Clemente S24O

2013-08-24 Thread Deacon Patrick
Fantastic! With abandon, Patrick On Saturday, August 24, 2013 4:40:29 PM UTC-6, David G wrote: It happened: http://flic.kr/s/aHsjHHwVr6 And it was fun. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group

Re: [RBW] SoCal Rivsters San Clemente S24O

2013-08-24 Thread James Warren
I can't look. Too envious. Sorry I missed you all. I'm glad it was good. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 24, 2013, at 3:40 PM, David Yu Greenblatt david.yu.greenbl...@gmail.com wrote: It happened: http://flic.kr/s/aHsjHHwVr6 And it was fun. -- You received this message because you are

[RBW] Re: Fender/Tire Clearance w/ the Pass and Stow front Rack?

2013-08-24 Thread jphillip...@me.com
Hi John, Thanks for your help, that's great news. That will give me plenty of clearance! Cheers, John Phillips On Saturday, August 24, 2013 3:43:58 PM UTC-7, John Stowe wrote: As best i can measure, the P/S rack on my Sam has 15 of clearance from the center of the wheel. 3/4 of

[RBW] Re: SoCal Rivsters San Clemente S24O

2013-08-24 Thread Mike Schiller
Nice shots David, I'll get mine up later today. It *was* a fun couple of days for sure. Can't wait to do it again. ~mike On Saturday, August 24, 2013 3:40:29 PM UTC-7, David G wrote: It happened: http://flic.kr/s/aHsjHHwVr6 And it was fun. -- You received this message because you

[RBW] Re: Saddle Adjustment

2013-08-24 Thread Kellie Stapleton
All good info above. Thanks. Yes, I understand the dogma is knee over spindle, and I'd like to go a tad back from there. The question is about getting the B17 further back with the rails narrowing. Does anybody know? Or is the answer another seat post with more setback? On Saturday, August 24,

[RBW] Re: New Proposal: Co-National Rivendell Jamborees

2013-08-24 Thread Stephen S
Seconded. On Friday, August 23, 2013 10:28:20 PM UTC-7, Abcyclehank wrote: Since it is the 20th Anniversary of Rivendell why not celebrate with both locations since separate dates are already being proposed. Although the SF location has a growing lead very few pollsters (only 3 of 60)

[RBW] Laptop carriage

2013-08-24 Thread John Stowe
*bike commuting hat* Nothing to add, since I use a Bike Bureau and you know what that's like already. *IT guy hat* I wouldn't be too worried about doing a SSD swap just because you're commuting by bike. When the drive is powered down the read/write heads are parked away from the platters, so

[RBW] Re: Saddle Adjustment

2013-08-24 Thread Rambouilleting Utahn
I've had good luck with a rubber mallet, push the saddle as far back as you can and then give the nose a couple of good whacks. On Saturday, August 24, 2013 5:08:29 PM UTC-6, Kellie Stapleton wrote: All good info above. Thanks. Yes, I understand the dogma is knee over spindle, and I'd like

[RBW] Re: [BOB] Re: Laptop carriage

2013-08-24 Thread Patrick Moore
Brad -- interesting; incitation to buy yet another electronic Apple POS. I wonder: can I do fancy formatting -- graphs (via Excel), borders, boxes, what have you -- via an iPad? On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Brad riendeau.bradf...@gmail.com wrote: I would seriously consider adding an iPad

Re: [RBW] Re: Saddle Adjustment

2013-08-24 Thread Patrick Moore
The Only Answer is a seatpost with unusual amounts of setback. Back when I tried a Flyer, I used a seatpost with a pronounced S curve; a quick Google (v, intr) didn't find it. But I daresay there are other possibilities. Brooks saddles don't have as much rearward adjustability as more modern

Re: [RBW] SoCal Rivsters San Clemente S24O

2013-08-24 Thread Patrick Moore
Great fun. I envy y'all that firm singletrack that can easily be ridden with hard, narrow 45s. Whose bike is this? http://www.flickr.com/photos/65787090@N02/9586944244/in/set-72157635212702083/ And what's with the grandpa beards? Patrick ponytail, clean shaven Moore On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at

Re: [RBW] Hello from Gila Country!

2013-08-24 Thread Patrick Moore
Dayum! From the photos, I'd better come down there! But by all means look me up if and when you come north; October: IIRC, LIesl of the double diagatube custom is due back here then. I'll try to show all some decent riding -- maybe commandeer a vehicle and go NW to that logging road my brother and

Re: [RBW] Hello from Gila Country!

2013-08-24 Thread Nils Eng
That would be awesome. The riding down here is pretty amazing, but I'm definitely biased. It would be an honor to show you (or any other Riv folks) around if you ever come down this way. The problem is, we're not really on the way to anywhere-- you have to want to get here to get here, or

Re: [RBW] VO Touring Hub vs XT?

2013-08-24 Thread Tom Harrop
Tony, There seems to be a silver DH-3N80 with 36 holes available here (in Germany). There's also an XT dynamo hub (Silver, aluminium axle, 36 holes. DH-T780.) but I don't know how it compares to Shimano's other dynohubs. These pages are in German, I'm afraid:

Re: [RBW] Re: Saddle Adjustment

2013-08-24 Thread Eric Platt
Personally, don't believe the Kalloy posts get a B-17 back far enough. Tried it last weekend to see if I could tolerate a Brooks again, and the combination of that saddle and post was not good for me or my riding style. Painful on multiple fronts. Have used the VO seatpost in the past when using

Re: [RBW] Re: [BOB] Re: Laptop carriage

2013-08-24 Thread Robert Barr
Patrick, I have read enough of your posts that I should remember if you are a basket fan or not - but I don't. Since you ask broadly how people carry their laptops I will tell you that after much experimentation I ended up with a big basket in front and a small saddlesack in back. I can pack all

Re: [RBW] Hello from Gila Country!

2013-08-24 Thread Evan
Welcome, Nils! That's a beautiful Sam. Evan E. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this

[RBW] Everything Rivendellianesqueistic~!

2013-08-24 Thread Patrick Moore
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dTtA7_okKUk/Tj6ps8O9bXI/AgM/1bp9RIlqCv8/s400/reg_harris0009_jpg_581-thumb.jpg Sorry, could not resist. But the frame is undoubtedly lugged. Patrick Moore, who loves his '99 Joe fixed gofast custom and from time to time pretends he is like Reg in ABQ, NM --

Re: [RBW] Hello from Gila Country!

2013-08-24 Thread Deacon Patrick
My great (great?) grandfather drove cattle through or to Silver City. Beautiful wee town and fantastic country surrounding you! With abandon, Patrick On Saturday, August 24, 2013 6:23:28 PM UTC-6, Nils Eng wrote: Thank you all for the kindly welcome. Patrick, I'm in Silver City-- I'm the

Re: [RBW] SoCal Rivsters San Clemente S24O

2013-08-24 Thread dougP
Patrick: And what's with the grandpa beards? Hair ceased to grow on my head decades ago. I cultivate it where it thrives. dougP On Saturday, August 24, 2013 5:23:15 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: Great fun. I envy y'all that firm singletrack that can easily be ridden with hard, narrow

Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-24 Thread dougP
Jim: We missed you. More than once we needed your expertise regarding a Rivendell question. We had a great time, with a total of 9. David G arrived in the middle of the night. When I went to sleep, our group was 8 in the AM it was 9. Good bunch of people on an interesting mix if bikes,

Re: [RBW] SoCal Rivsters San Clemente S24O

2013-08-24 Thread Esteban
its a western thing. Very fun time. Got home by2 and had a blast. Esteban San Diego, Calif. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: SoCal Rivsters San Clemente S24O

2013-08-24 Thread Mike
Stoked for you guys. Looks like a good time. What was this guy carrying? An approach I could aspire to but unlikely to achieve. http://www.flickr.com/photos/65787090@N02/9584152441/in/set-72157635212702083 Glad it was a success. --mike -- You received this message because you are

[RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-24 Thread Tom Virgil
Now this was a good time. I hope that the SoCal Rivsters are safely arrived home or will soon be. Much appreciation to Hugh for setting this up, choosing San Mateo, selecting this campsite, and reserving it for us. Hugh made it happen. And hosted it. He helped folks set up tents, fix

Re: [RBW] Re: SoCal Rivsters San Clemente S24O

2013-08-24 Thread cyclotourist
A great adventure. Hugh got the ball rolling by nailing down a date and putting a reservation in. Everything else just fell into place with ease. One of the largest turnouts for a Riv ride! So much happened it was still a bit of a blur. Extremely happy that folks made it all the way from San

Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-24 Thread cyclotourist
Tom, thanks for making the trip up! And David's appearance with provisions made the day! And his beautiful bike was some serious eye-candy for us as well! On 8/24/13, Tom Virgil tevir...@gmail.com wrote: Now this was a good time. I hope that the SoCal Rivsters are safely arrived home or will

Re: [RBW] Happy New Bike Day (Orange Quickbeam Edition)!

2013-08-24 Thread cyclotourist
Thanks Patrick, it's a beautiful bike that I am lucky to own! On 8/23/13, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote: What a pretty orange! Young man at bike shop yesterday said he was ordering a Cross Check in one of the only two colors available, in his case black, and having the frameset