I've used those panniers, too, and they do rattle. Traditional panniers had
a spring-loaded system that tensioned the panniers so they didn't fly off.
As a byproduct, they were quiet. The new easy on/easy off panniers have
upper hooks that close around the rack, so they cannot fly off. At the
Dear Anne et al,
Take a look at this thorough review of the ECR; it's excellent and makes
many valuable comparisons to the Krampus which should help you (or anyone)
decide b/w the two.
http://gypsybytrade.wordpress.com/2013/12/07/dissecting-the-surly-ecr/
Best wishes,
Christian
On Monday,
I've thought about ways to cure this rattle. Ideal would be if your rack
tubes were so large in diameter that they _just_ fit inside the hooks. I
tried to take up the extra space with rubber from cut-up inner tubes, but
that didn't work. Perhaps you can find or make bushings that you could clip
Position the lower hook so that it takes a slight amount of pressure when
you attach the top clips; you should have to very slightly push down on the
top clips to get them to close on the rack. My Rollers and Packer Sports
Pluses, and the earlier Packer Pluses, didn't rattle when they are
Eric: Coming from a fellow Niner rider (I ride an MCR), I'd better believe
it. Great write-up (especially like the snow photos). I actually ran into
a few RD dudes from Surly at the Fruita Fat Tire festival in April. We
had just finished a thrill ride on Zippity-Doo-Dah and ran into these
Shame the bike cave is bursting at the seams... That Stumpy is awfully
nice... Can't must not open link tophotos
On Monday, December 9, 2013 4:32:09 PM UTC-5, Peter M wrote:
Update, grips and headset are spoken for as well. Thanks all
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 4:00 PM,
On Monday, December 9, 2013 1:09:14 PM UTC-7, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
I love what Surly is doing with the 29er+ bikes (Krampus / ECR), except
I'm not a big fan of the slightly slack headtube angle (69.5 degree)...
maybe Surly is concerned about toe overlap (with those gargantuan
lapsang souchong - smells and tastes like a camp fire. Reminds me of pine
tar soap.Sorry if off topic, though you all might want to give it a try.
-Jack
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Thought many of you fellow un-racers might appreciate this as much as I
do:
http://surlybikes.com/blog/post/racing_sucks
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I found these on Craigslist. I'm not buying them, just posting this for a
Phil lover out there
Claytonious Q
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The situation: we hope to take an unbudgeted (as in we didn’t plan for it till
a few weeks ago and thus have no budget for it) car camping trip to escape the
demolition/construction of stuff damaged in the July flooding immediately
across the creek from our home (because of my bludgeoned brain
Thanks very much for the responses on-list and off. I got this handled.
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Joshua Tree is really a spectacular place and the weather should be warm
enough at night (I think). If you can haul water, the campground without
facilities is quiet in my experience. Mostly rock climbers. It is a place
that is good for the soul. I camped there twice when I lived in SF;
Nah, it's pretty much a fail. The hoped-for side-effect did not occur.
:-)
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Is this perhaps a variant of the Association of Caffienated Wheelmen?
Or perhaps there could be an Association of Pine Tar Wheelers?
On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 9:38:47 AM UTC-6, NWAJack wrote:
lapsang souchong - smells and tastes like a camp fire. Reminds me of
pine tar soap.Sorry
Scottish Breakfast has a bit of Lapsang Souchong in it, and owes its
smokiness to that. I agree, it's very campfirey
On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 7:38:47 AM UTC-8, NWAJack wrote:
lapsang souchong - smells and tastes like a camp fire. Reminds me of
pine tar soap.Sorry if off topic,
Great suggestion, Liesl. Saguaro, Joshua Tree, Mojeve, Death Valley, and
Channel Islands are on our list. Depending not he NP set up at the
campgrounds, they can be very quiet or obnoxiously loud. The trick is
discerning which it is before I get screwed up and need two days to
recover.
Hello,
Green canvas Slickersack, NIB. Straps, pads, dividers, product registration
card... the whole nine yards.
Platrack is used, but the extra long mounting struts that go with it are
not.
$300 shipped CONUS. Paypal preferred.
The perfect gift for that certain hard-to-buy-for loved one on
Yes, Joshua Tree is a great recommendation. There's a chance you might get
stuck next to an RV's generator, but probably not in the camps w/out water.
Funny how motorhomes that carry their own water tend to not be used in
places without it. The smaller sites are great and pretty intimate IMHO.
It is an interesting (to me) contrast between Rivendell's Unracer and
Surly's Racing Sucks.
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not surprising they would do a patch like this... their bikes suck for
racing. I like the competitive aspects of cycling as well as the
non-competitive ones.Just not those fruit bowl jerseys.
~mike
On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 7:36:41 AM UTC-8, iamkeith wrote:
Thought many of you fellow
Max, you have a lot of classy bikes in those photos. I look forward to
riding with you when we make the move to Sebastopol.
Best,
Peter
On Friday, December 6, 2013 3:27:08 PM UTC-8, reynoldslugs wrote:
Several months ago I posted about converting my old Heron (purchased from
RBWHQ around
Until I read the Surly-guy's thought on the patch, I thought it was
supposed to be an ironic joke, which it still kind of is. I'm thinking of
the Paris-Roubaix quote I saw the other day from some racer after being
forced to drop-out, It's bollacks! ... I'll be back.
And it is a telling
Selling a few items to make space in the old closet:
MUSA Pants, black, size large, brand new: $40
MUSA Shorts, all Grey, size medium, worn once: $35
MKS Touring Pedals with tan Power Grips: $40
Zefal HPX Frame pump No. 4: $20
Topeak Roadblaster size 54-59: $15
Sigma 1609 Cadence bike computer,
Actually the Krampus does not have more fork rake to offset the slack
headtube angle. I did some measurements awhile back but can't find them
now. As I remember the Krampus has trail values in the 90s! I find this to
be bizarre. Surly designs are smart and well thought out. I am just not
'Ceptin the 100 meter dash, racing of any sort bores me to tears. But I
have no desire to annoy those who do like it. Long as they don't try and
convince me to join them, we're fine.
On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 11:24:57 AM UTC-6, pb wrote:
Nah, it's pretty much a fail. The hoped-for
I'll take your Atlantis for $250.
WHAT?!
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Brencho bren...@gmail.com wrote:
Selling a few items to make space in the old closet:
MUSA Pants, black, size large, brand new: $40
MUSA Shorts, all Grey, size medium, worn once: $35
MKS Touring Pedals with tan
Just Ride and Unracer are accurate - even philosophical - Racing sucks is
hyperbole and offensive.
On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 12:06:32 PM UTC-6, Pondero wrote:
It is an interesting (to me) contrast between Rivendell's Unracer and
Surly's Racing Sucks.
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Just Ride and Unracer are accurate - even philosophical - Racing sucks
is hyperbole and offensive.
On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 12:06:32 PM UTC-6, Pondero wrote:
It is an interesting (to me) contrast between Rivendell's
Unracer and Surly's Racing
Any recommendations on state parks that fit the bill, particularly Southern
AZ and SoCal? A trip with me is all about flexibility, which some national
parks fail at, requiring online reservations. Depending on all kinds of
brain factors we may think were somewhere for a week, but x,y, or z
My wife's favorite. Smoked with pine needles I think I remember.
Chris
Redding, Ca.
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http://www.fs.usda.gov/recarea/coronado/recreation/bicycling/recarea/?recid=25596actid=64
http://www.nps.gov/sagu/planyourvisit/upload/Saguaro-Wilderness-Area.pdf
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I like the photo of the guy racing on a Big Dummy. That freaking rocks.
It makes me anticipate the smile I will smile when I see somebody winning
a local 'cross race wearing a racing sucks patch. That also will be
cool.
Racing is awesome, and so is unracing. Wearing patches you want to
haha nice one chris. i almost just typed 'deal' without realizing it wasn't
on the list!
On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 11:22:29 AM UTC-8, Christopher Chen wrote:
I'll take your Atlantis for $250.
WHAT?!
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Forgot 2 other items:
New Zealand Wool Sleeveless Shirt, size XL, never worn: $25
Pendleton vintage wool black and white large check/gingham shirt, size M:
$40
MUSA Pants, black, size large, brand new: $40
MUSA Shorts, all Grey, size medium, worn once: $35
MKS Touring Pedals with tan
It's hard to break a coconut.
Looks like I'll be free for the other options.
-Evan
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The Trainer and Italian National Jersey have sold!
Inexplicably, the Cinzano trainer is still for sale. Breaking Away, c'mon!
See below for details -
Adam
On Monday, November 18, 2013 11:04:00 AM UTC-5, Adam DeFayette wrote:
I have 2 Woolistic Wool jersies for for sale, and 1 Woolistic
The Trainer and Italian National Jersey have sold!
Inexplicably, the Cinzano jersey is still for sale. Breaking Away, c'mon!
See below for details -
Adam
On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 9:39:18 AM UTC-5, Adam DeFayette wrote:
No one has contacted me, so prices are dropping.
Let's go with
Very true about the set-up of the camping area.
On a return from my friend's family's cabin outside of Creede, CO we had a
run in with the bad. We had to clean up and get things back to the easy
in status for the next visit, as we enjoyed when we pulled in from an 18
hour drive at the
The Portland Crew has a vested interest in an unbroken Coconut. You break
you fix, SoCal.
Six Million Dollar Coconut Bill
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Coconutbill evan.spa...@gmail.com wrote:
It's hard to break a coconut.
Looks like I'll be free for the other options.
-Evan
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Much of the southern New Mexico desert would still be chilly at night--
hovering around your 30 degree limit. But, if the weather looks good, you
might consider these places:
Aguirre Springs
http://www.blm.gov/nm/st/en/prog/recreation/las_cruces/aguirre_spring_campground.htmlnear
I guess I took it as pretty tounge-in-cheek. Spending as much time reading
forums as I do, that are all way less civil than this one, I've probably
forgotten how to be offended - though I can see how many would take it that
way. It's DEFINITELY generational, however - which, though I didn't
On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 12:16:08 PM UTC-7, Mojo wrote:
Interesting the iamkeith found the Krampus to be nimble.
I actually haven't tried it. This is just what others seem to be saying
- like Eric, above. (maybe this is what you meant, though) Like you, I'm
still scratching
Christopher, as you well know the Coconuts warranty does not cover weird
fissures.
Please reference policy card.
We have ascertained that while travelling in a diplomatic capacity it
appears the weird cycling community of Puddle Town have disturbed his
gyroscopic balancing thus ill preparing
Well said
On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 3:07:26 PM UTC-6, iamkeith wrote:
I guess I took it as pretty tounge-in-cheek. Spending as much time
reading forums as I do, that are all way less civil than this one,
I've probably forgotten how to be offended - though I can see how many
would
Exactly, Andy. It's that human-created adventure (most often bureaucracy
created) that can leave me recovering for several days. I'd much rather
feel well enough to ride or run. Trouble is, it's like avoiding gopher
holes at a gallop. Sardonic grin.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Tuesday, December
For remote car camps, Cochise Stronghold, and Palm Canyon in the KOFA
wildlife refuge, Southern AZ.
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:
Exactly, Andy. It's that human-created adventure (most often bureaucracy
created) that can leave me recovering for
Taylors of Harrowgate Ntingwe Kwazulu Tea from South Africa via Yorkshire.
The crème de le crème of all black teas. 'A fresh, brisk flavour and a
bright liquor'
Daintree Tea from Queensland for that smoky camping flavour.
Billy Tea, which is a brand not just a method, for memories of a golden
Email sent on Cinzano.
~pb
On Monday, November 18, 2013 8:04:00 AM UTC-8, Adam DeFayette wrote:
I have 2 Woolistic Wool jersies for for sale, and 1 Woolistic Wool trainer.
All are in perfect like-new condition, size medium.
Links to each, here:
Email on medium Cinzano withdrawn, sorry.
~pb
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There will be no more excuses or limits.
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there is just enough divisiveness being marketed in the images we're sold,
it would be better to raise the commonalities rather than the differences
On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 3:07:26 PM UTC-6, iamkeith wrote:
I guess I took it as pretty tounge-in-cheek. Spending as much time
reading
Divisiveness sucks! Grin.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 3:36:46 PM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:
there is just enough divisiveness being marketed in the images we're sold,
it would be better to raise the commonalities rather than the differences
On Tuesday, December 10, 2013
Ron,
I agree with you…. It is the Mandela's philosophy; collectivism tends to
prevail by standing up for a common goal.
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote:
there is just enough divisiveness being marketed in the images we're sold,
it would be better to raise
FWIW: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyn_Ashton
I'm comfortable with my excuses and my limits.
:-)
~pb
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What Allen said it's Generational...but after reading Mr. Blanstons
Bludgeon, excuse me Blog I thought what's the point? Duh marketing...hey I
like what Surly does but this is just a ploy to sell bikes it's called
Branding and using psychology understood and promulgated by Mr. Freud and
Ho hum! That's no different than my daily commute on the Hunqa, only I'm
wearing wool, English rain jacket and splats!
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If you decide to go belted, you'll take your new frame to the local
framebuilder for a seatstay splitter installation? Do you have a
tradesperson in mind?
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8149/7382444166_b76df60251_b.jpg
On Monday, December 9, 2013 5:30:11 PM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote:
Still for sale, that guy ^ was looking for a large. It's a medium!
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You'll undoubtedly need to contact Riv for one, with proof you own the
appropriate frame. Grant is *very* particular about his headbadges
migrating to the wrong frame.
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.
On Monday, December 9, 2013 9:47:42 PM UTC-8, Alex Zeibot wrote:
WTB Riv custom head badge. Please
For crying out loud he isn't the Hubble Space Telescope. Nothing a ball
peen hammer and some nail polish can't fix.
Get well Coconutbill. And good luck. With those technicians, you're gonna
need it.
cc
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 1:47 PM, hsmitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote:
Christopher, as you
Jan others,
I never have had a problem with the upper attachments on my Ortlieb front
back rollers, but the lower adjustable fingers always seemed to have play -
enough to rattle a bit. I added electrical tape to these until they had enough
to close the clearance. Rattle eliminated.
Paul
I wrap the rack with tape at the contact points. Seems to help a little.
Kevin
Chicago, IL
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No need to cry over spilled coconut milk. Ride barefoot. It eliminates the
need for gyroscopic balancing, replacing it with proprioceptive spacial
awareness.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 2:47:54 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
Christopher, as you well know the Coconuts
No, I'm getting the bike from Cycle Monkey, 'cause they're experienced with
Rohloffs and belts, and they have people they work with.
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
Anne
If you decide to go belted, you'll take your new frame to the local
framebuilder
I'll love to see pictures when you do it.
On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 4:09:01 PM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote:
No, I'm getting the bike from Cycle Monkey, 'cause they're experienced
with Rohloffs and belts, and they have people they work with.
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Bill Lindsay
It's probably best to take the Racing Sucks patch as tongue-in-cheek. If
you're offended by it, chalk it up to seasonal blues.
On the surface, Rivendell and Surly are on the same team, promoting
smartly-designed steel bikes in a world where smartly-designed steel bikes
aren't always popular.
no offense, Jim, this about a stupid patch.
On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 6:15:51 PM UTC-6, Jim Thill - Hiawatha
Cyclery wrote:
It's probably best to take the Racing Sucks patch as tongue-in-cheek. If
you're offended by it, chalk it up to seasonal blues.
On the surface, Rivendell and
Surly sometimes sends me little goodie boxes. The last one included various
doodads and some calendars and a sticker that said bongs, farts, and
chainsaws. Maybe that is Surly's answer to Bike, book, and hatchet?
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I've always found it humorous but weird that so many RBW devotees feel
that there is a rivalry or semi-bitter philosophical divide between the two
companies. It comes up again and again on this forum.
So many? I can't name one.
Again and again? I can't name once.
I don't think Riv and
I certainly don't read every post on this forum, but I haven't detected that
posters feel there is a semi-bitter philosophical divide very often.
And changing the subject a bit, I've always detected appreciation of Surly from
Riv people. Like this:
And don't forget, when Pugsley was new, it was nicely reviewed in the Rivendell
Reader.
On Dec 10, 2013, at 4:54 PM, James Warren wrote:
I certainly don't read every post on this forum, but I haven't detected that
posters feel there is a semi-bitter philosophical divide very often.
Man now I want to try riding that Panasonic Rodeo.
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 4:54 PM, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.netwrote:
I certainly don't read every post on this forum, but I haven't detected
that posters feel there is a semi-bitter philosophical divide very often.
And changing the
Heartfelt congratulations on your marriage! The jacket will look great with
your new bike. I hope we get a chance to see it here in Walnut Creek.
jim m
wc ca
On Monday, December 9, 2013 9:31:45 AM UTC-8, Liesl wrote:
Hey Roger, thanks for the congrat's. The Warhorse is still a filly so
For me, bike racing was not the thing in which to compete. I did my due
diligence in my competitive discipline, I know the sacrifices, I can share
and relate with others about the *depravities we have in common. Bike
racers know nothing of the cycling I undertake nor are they prepared to
I don't think that's quite what GP's talking about when he speaks of
versatility.
dougP
On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 2:23:58 PM UTC-8, Tom Virgil wrote:
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There will be no more excuses or limits.
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I want to see the blooper reel.
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One can only imagine what Ernesto Colnago would think watching that
video...
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here's what I like about Just Ride. It describes that racing is not the
end to the means. That the means count for themselves. I'll never be able
to forget the sight of a 300+-lb guy in lycra torturing himself over a long
threadless stem - the effort was just maintaining the position - he
Like em or not, Surly is puttin it out there... I appreciate their courage
to be different.
On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 8:29:56 PM UTC-5, ascpgh wrote:
For me, bike racing was not the thing in which to compete. I did my due
diligence in my competitive discipline, I know the sacrifices, I
Cocochen no crying up there we don't want eyesicles forming and he's no six
million dollar coconut either we can maintain his orbit for far less.
Hey Mac, if we eliminate the gyroscopic effect then we can make our
adjustments relative to his individual mass distribution shoes or no shoes.
I'm guessing Unless You're Talking About Fat Bike Races, All of Which We
Happily Sponsor Since We Sell Those Kinds of Bikes didn't fit on the patch?
Jeff Hagedorn
Warragul, VIC Australia
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I'm not sure what happened—the part with me jumping across five snowman
heads with War Horseapaloosa must've gotten edited out. What gives? Was it
my outfit?
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Anyone know the tires featured on this Saluki?!
http://31.media.tumblr.com/bddf113622d4802951f404c2f56de6e2/tumblr_mxcujb0LHE1qe3ngpo4_1280.jpg
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All black Pari-Motos? Just guessing.
Hints o' center and side tread
herehttp://25.media.tumblr.com/39b0cbb80bc03c17328327839683efed/tumblr_mxcujb0LHE1qe3ngpo6_1280.jpg
.
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As I get ready for bed tonight realizing I probably don't have a safe set of
this to ride in tomorrow's icy conditions in DC I'm shopping for winter tires...
I'm curious about those who live in an area that does not have consistent snow
or ice conditions but gets it enough to want the
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Anyone know the tires featured on this Saluki?!
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Liesl,
I know you are good at this. Don't need youtube for you. I believe you.
Elephants. Next time think elephants. Oh, wait. There's that proof that
it happened thing in here.
BB
imagine what Ernesto Colnago would think
I cannot.
Seriously, as per pb, guy has broken his back doing
Less'n yer car-less; Ain'tcha worried that all the road salts will tear up your
frame and components?
Here in Maryland the roads are white with it.
I am afeared to ride me Rivendell until the rain washes all the roads clean
again.
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...and the thought of what road salt might do to me gumwalls just shivers me
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